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« on: November 13, 2015, 10:37:49 AM » |
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If there is still anybody out there that needs an example of why a motorcycle also has a front brake: http://youtu.be/fXj9ME_DkKMBy the way: congratz to the drivers of the cages around him, for their care. Anthony |
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Patrick
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« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2015, 11:39:24 AM » |
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I have a feeling there is a motorbike now up for sale. That kid got shook up pretty good. Sure looks like a new inexperienced rider.
The folks that came to his help really 'done good'. Kinda renews ones faith in humanity.
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« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2015, 11:48:57 AM » |
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Years ago, I had a bolt that fell out of my caliper of the front brake, down the road I had an issue and had to used the back brake only. The result was, two pins, and 350 stiches in my right shoulder. I always have, and always will use the brake together, that was unavoidable somewhat.
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« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2015, 12:53:34 PM » |
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Not on my Valkyrie, but I've laid into both brakes hard enough on a bike that the tires were chirping and came to an arrow straight stop. There are definitely people who would benefit from linked brakes and then there are people that know how to use their brakes.
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Jess from VA
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« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2015, 01:07:44 PM » |
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What a maroooon.
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« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2015, 03:22:58 PM » |
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I M H O-and ONLY my opinion-this was TOTALLY avoidable. Hey guy-lets go buy a M/C. Guy-O K. Dealer-you wnt some lessons here free of charge? Naw-I'll figure it out on the way somewhere.  RIDE SAFE. |
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Today is the tommorow you worried about yesterday. If at first you don't succeed screw it-save it for nite check. 1964 1968 U S Navy. Two cruises off Nam.
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« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2015, 04:16:27 PM » |
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Life gives the test first, & the lesson after.
You remember the ones that hurt! 
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« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2015, 05:35:39 PM » |
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Shame that the bike came back and whacked him hard.
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« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2015, 05:44:30 PM » |
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« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2015, 09:40:53 PM » |
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Maybe I am not pushing hard enough on my rear foot brake ever, but can our Valks even do what that video showed skidding out of control ONLY using the rear foot brake pedal??
This spring I had new Honda OEM brake pads installed probably other ones OEM from 2001 and it made a difference in terms of putting pressure less down some (less foot travel) to brake hard, but not sure just by pushing my right foot brake VERY hard down would cause my Valk I/S to skid out of control like in that video. I believe something like 75% or so isn't it for stopping power on the front brake lever?
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Jess from VA
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« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2015, 10:05:20 PM » |
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Anything can happen on locked brakes (esp one locked brake). Even straight ahead with no turn/curve, once he faded sideways, holding the brake down (panic) he just kept going sideways. All he had to do was let off the brake for an instant, and the bike would have popped back straight. And then use BOTH brakes to avoid hitting the car. Typical high side.
Harder to fade a car tire sideways on dry clean pavement.
He doesn't need a car tire, just more practice, and maybe MSF.
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« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2015, 10:49:47 PM » |
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Maybe I am not pushing hard enough on my rear foot brake ever, but can our Valks even do what that video showed skidding out of control ONLY using the rear foot brake pedal??
This spring I had new Honda OEM brake pads installed probably other ones OEM from 2001 and it made a difference in terms of putting pressure less down some (less foot travel) to brake hard, but not sure just by pushing my right foot brake VERY hard down would cause my Valk I/S to skid out of control like in that video. I believe something like 75% or so isn't it for stopping power on the front brake lever?
In short YES your fat lady will skid just like that. |
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Mr Whiskey
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« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2015, 03:26:10 AM » |
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Maybe I am not pushing hard enough on my rear foot brake ever, but can our Valks even do what that video showed skidding out of control ONLY using the rear foot brake pedal??
This spring I had new Honda OEM brake pads installed probably other ones OEM from 2001 and it made a difference in terms of putting pressure less down some (less foot travel) to brake hard, but not sure just by pushing my right foot brake VERY hard down would cause my Valk I/S to skid out of control like in that video. I believe something like 75% or so isn't it for stopping power on the front brake lever?
In short YES your fat lady will skid just like that.
(Give ya one guess how I know.) |
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Peace, Whiskey.
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« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2015, 04:10:46 AM » |
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Anything can happen on locked brakes (esp one locked brake). Even straight ahead with no turn/curve, once he faded sideways, holding the brake down (panic) he just kept going sideways. All he had to do was let off the brake for an instant, and the bike would have popped back straight. And then use BOTH brakes to avoid hitting the car. Typical high side.
Harder to fade a car tire sideways on dry clean pavement.
He doesn't need a car tire, just more practice, and maybe MSF.
NO! Once the rear wheel has deviate from straight ahead the MOMENT you let off the rear brake traction is regained and the rear wheel will then push you in the direction it's pointing. This whilst the front wheel is still turning and in most cases still pointing straight ahead This causes the high side. |
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« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2015, 05:57:39 AM » |
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And.....Not looking for a pissing contest here from any of you non brain bucket wearing folks. (ireallydon'tcareifyoudoordon'tit'snotmyhead) After watching this short video a few times I'll bet this guy and many like him would never say "I wish I hadn't been wearing a helmet that day". |
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« Reply #15 on: November 14, 2015, 06:08:43 AM » |
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And.....Not looking for a pissing contest here from any of you non brain bucket wearing folks. (ireallydon'tcareifyoudoordon'tit'snotmyhead) After watching this short video a few times I'll bet this guy and many like him would never say "I wish I hadn't been wearing a helmet that day". Yep, when the bike came down and whacked him in the head he'da been DRT with no helmet.  |
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« Reply #16 on: November 14, 2015, 10:09:48 AM » |
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Anything can happen on locked brakes (esp one locked brake). Even straight ahead with no turn/curve, once he faded sideways, holding the brake down (panic) he just kept going sideways. All he had to do was let off the brake for an instant, and the bike would have popped back straight. And then use BOTH brakes to avoid hitting the car. Typical high side.
Harder to fade a car tire sideways on dry clean pavement.
He doesn't need a car tire, just more practice, and maybe MSF.
NO! Once the rear wheel has deviate from straight ahead the MOMENT you let off the rear brake traction is regained and the rear wheel will then push you in the direction it's pointing. This whilst the front wheel is still turning and in most cases still pointing straight ahead This causes the high side. I know what you are saying, but one assumes when he hits the brakes, he releases the throttle. With no PUSH on the rear wheel, the 50mph forward velocity will whip the bike back straight, maybe a little wiggly/wobbly, but nothing you can't deal with. It has for me many times..... course, I didn't get badly sideways before taking action.... the more sideways you let the bike get, the harder it is to recover. Certainly, if you have the skill to let off rear brake (only) enough to stop the slide/lockup, but still slow the rear wheel that's OK too. |
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« Reply #17 on: November 14, 2015, 12:42:21 PM » |
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maybe IMPROPER braking technique
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Do it while you can. I did.... it my way
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« Reply #18 on: November 14, 2015, 02:17:45 PM » |
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Maybe I am not pushing hard enough on my rear foot brake ever, but can our Valks even do what that video showed skidding out of control ONLY using the rear foot brake pedal??
This spring I had new Honda OEM brake pads installed probably other ones OEM from 2001 and it made a difference in terms of putting pressure less down some (less foot travel) to brake hard, but not sure just by pushing my right foot brake VERY hard down would cause my Valk I/S to skid out of control like in that video. I believe something like 75% or so isn't it for stopping power on the front brake lever?
BTDT on the Valk - locking the rear brake only WILL result in the rear end sliding out one way or the other. Fortunately - I recognized the situation soon enough to get off the rear only and got straightened out and both brakes properly applied. |
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« Reply #19 on: November 14, 2015, 09:36:18 PM » |
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I guess I thought wrong then. I just thought that only say 25% of the braking force on rear brake pads ONLY would not be enough to skid sideways if I apply VERY firm JUST the rear brake pedal. I've never done just the rear brake pads in a panic stop, instinct took over and did both front/rear brakes at same time.
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« Reply #20 on: November 14, 2015, 09:38:41 PM » |
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You are correct it will not slide that way using both brakes and only 25% rear but that guy was useing 100% rear and 0 % front |
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Patrick
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« Reply #21 on: November 15, 2015, 04:19:25 AM » |
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I don't know how many folks have tried braking techniques with our Valks, but, I've fooled around quite a bit in the yard both dry and wet. I've found these monsters will try to high side fairly easily under those conditions. The crash bars do keep these things up so I think I'd rather lay one down if necessary.
Back to the original post, it still appears to me that kid had no idea what to do. The front brake would have helped and eliminated the problem or he might have driven around the problem.
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