Obama to impose new gun control curbs next week happy new year

[Robert]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/01/01/obama-to-impose-new-gun-control-curbs-next-week/

HONOLULU — President Obama will meet with Attorney General Loretta E. Lynch on Monday to finalize a set of executive actions on guns that he will unveil next week, according to several individuals briefed on the matter.

In the radio address, Obama said he was moving unilaterally because Congress had failed to address the growing problem of gun violence.

[MP]

This imposter in Chief has ZERO regard for the Constitution, and the seperation of powers.  He has done more to shred the Constitution than any other President in history.

And, he has another YEAR to keep doing this stuff!

[Pete]

It was embarrassing for US citizens when Bill Clinton was president.

Oboob is an embarrassment to all people globally. He constantly proves that you cannot fix stupid.

If the citizens of the US follow him with a worse example of a Clinton, may God have mercy on us.

[Gavin_Sons]

For anyone that dosent know, I hate obama. You cant polish a turd. He needs to go after the real problem, and that is not guns. Guns are just a tool used in crimes. Would he take hammers away if they were used in mass killings? Of course not because it is just a hammer and it didn't pick its self up and kill.  he is a moron, a traitor, and just a piece of crap in general.

[baldo]

For anyone that dosent know, I hate obama. You cant polish a turd. He needs to go after the real problem, and that is not guns. Guns are just a tool used in crimes. Would he take hammers away if they were used in mass killings? Of course not because it is just a hammer and it didn't pick its self up and kill.  he is a moron, a traitor, and just a piece of crap in general.

Well, why don't you tell us what you really think....

[MP]

For anyone that dosent know, I hate obama. You cant polish a turd. He needs to go after the real problem, and that is not guns. Guns are just a tool used in crimes. Would he take hammers away if they were used in mass killings? Of course not because it is just a hammer and it didn't pick its self up and kill.  he is a moron, a traitor, and just a piece of crap in general.

Well, why don't you tell us what you really think....

Due to the sensibilities of the moderator, he is holding back!  LOL   

[Willow]

...
Oboob is an embarrassment to all people globally. He constantly proves that you cannot fix stupid.
...

I won't bother arguing with you on your opinion of embarrassment, but don't think for a moment that Barrack Obama is stupid.  He is indeed a brilliant man and is in many ways accomplishing exactly what he intended to accomplish.  That you and I have a different vision of what we want the United States of America to be may certainly be true but it is not because he is stupid.  It is because he has a completely different set of values than do you or I.

To accuse too quickly those with whom we disagree of stupidity is to greatly underestimate the opposition. 

[dreamaker]

Figuratively, I am going to shoot from the hip on this, First the way I seen it, was Clinton wasn't the embarrassment, it was the people reaction to Clinton that was embarrassing to me. From what I read in the past, other countries said, what is the big deal, and ranking people have mistress. I not saying whether  it was right or wrong, I am just saying that it wasn't as earth shacking as the American Media made it out to be, everyone has faults.  

Now the thing that concerns me, is not the Constitution itself and much as what it represents, far as defending our selves.  There is a successful concept called, hidden in plain sight, You refer to BO as being stupid, but the thing is "Is HE"!!! Have you ever played checkers or chest, you have to lose to win. My question is," Is he stupid or is it strategy", he seems to this point, to be getting away with it with no repercussions. Seems a little in plain sight!!! The thing is across the nation it seems like bit by bit we are losing the right to protect ourselves, when police are in split second moments and react to the situation. People want to hang them out to dry, and of course the media don't help. Again and again they refer to the gun control to the people that register their weapons, and totally dismiss the criminals that that cause the problem.  When will they ever get it in their head that,"Criminals Don't Register Their Guns".  They seem to always take exception of the fact and make them the main issue of their argument. Sure on occasion people that have registered guns commit crimes, but compare it to all the crimes that people that don't registered their gun, is a small fraction. I see something coming up the road, where you will not be able to afford to have weapons to protect yourself.
I don't know I am just think out loud, correct if I am wrong, and I hope I am wrong!!

[Valkorado]

I have to agree he's not stupid, he's sly as a fox.  He is accomplishing his goal of fundamentally changing America.  While his vision of America and many of ours are contradictory, I do often wonder if he is purposefully hurting this great Republic, and that's the part that scares me.  I only see his actions, not his motivations.  When looking at his actions, I see an enemy within.

[Gavin_Sons]

For anyone that dosent know, I hate obama. You cant polish a turd. He needs to go after the real problem, and that is not guns. Guns are just a tool used in crimes. Would he take hammers away if they were used in mass killings? Of course not because it is just a hammer and it didn't pick its self up and kill.  he is a moron, a traitor, and just a piece of crap in general.

Well, why don't you tell us what you really think....

Due to the sensibilities of the moderator, he is holding back!  LOL   

This it true 

[Oldnick]

Figuratively, I am going to shoot from the hip on this, First the way I seen it, was Clinton wasn't the embarrassment, it was the people reaction to Clinton that was embarrassing to me. From what I read in the past, other countries said, what is the big deal, and ranking people have mistress. I not saying whether  it was right or wrong, I am just saying that it wasn't as earth shacking as the American Media made it out to be, everyone has faults.  

Now the thing that concerns me, is not the Constitution itself and much as what it represents, far as defending our selves.  There is a successful concept called, hidden in plain sight, You refer to BO as being stupid, but the thing is "Is HE"!!! Have you ever played checkers or chest, you have to lose to win. My question is," Is he stupid or is it strategy", he seems to this point, to be getting away with it with no repercussions. Seems a little in plain sight!!! The thing is across the nation it seems like bit by bit we are losing the right to protect ourselves, when police are in split second moments and react to the situation. People want to hang them out to dry, and of course the media don't help. Again and again they refer to the gun control to the people that register their weapons, and totally dismiss the criminals that that cause the problem.  When will they ever get it in their head that,"Criminals Don't Register Their Guns".  They seem to always take exception of the fact and make them the main issue of their argument. Sure on occasion people that have registered guns commit crimes, but compare it to all the crimes that people that don't registered their gun, is a small fraction. I see something coming up the road, where you will not be able to afford to have weapons to protect yourself.
I don't know I am just think out loud, correct if I am wrong, and I hope I am wrong!!

Protect yourse3lf from what?

99.99% of people spend their whole life never having the oppo to use a fun to "protect" themsleves. There are thousands of peoiple every year who need protection _from_ themsleves...gun suicides. There are many more gun accidents. There are many more gun murders.There is pretty clear evidence that in an emergency situation,even gun-trained people will "shoot themselvea (or someone else) in the foot" when trying to "protect" themselves and other against local attack.

IIRC the right to bear arms (given a LONG time ago) was about NATIONAL  defence, when America felt threatened by Britain and maybe others. Either it has been twisted by gun-lovers, or by paranoid nationalists who still feel that the world outside the USA is out to GET the USA, to fight tooth and claw to allow as many guns as possible. Yet the US....no,I will not go there in this forum.

If you go into life looking for trouble, you are more likely to find it.

I did not want to get into this, but VRCC is selling shirts about this stuff and it really p'd me off. I stayed out of it, and now I read these posts.

BTW, freedom means you can ascribe any motive you like to Obama, but he is as free as you and was elected. I truly believe he is NOT stupid...god no..try going head to head in aq debate with that guy ok?..and is not trying to wreck the US. He just believes in stuff that you don't and rubbishing the man is not argument worth consideration

[big d]

Dreamaker it wasn't so much the action of what Bill Clinton did as the fact that he blatantly lied to the American public as well as under oath. A trait Hillary has learned very well.

[..]

I have to agree he's not stupid, he's sly as a fox.  He is accomplishing his goal of fundamentally changing America. 

He said it loudly and publically hundreds of times and the voters of America nodded wisely and the rest is history.

So many unable to comprehend the meaning of his spoken words. OR they too wanted the change he espoused in which case America, we only have ourselves to blame.

If all the voters had voted the outcome may have been very different. But many didn't and if they are the whiners they need to look inwards AND TAKE THE BLAME.

[MarkT]

Figuratively, I am going to shoot from the hip on this, First the way I seen it, was Clinton wasn't the embarrassment, it was the people reaction to Clinton that was embarrassing to me. From what I read in the past, other countries said, what is the big deal, and ranking people have mistress. I not saying whether  it was right or wrong, I am just saying that it wasn't as earth shacking as the American Media made it out to be, everyone has faults.  

Now the thing that concerns me, is not the Constitution itself and much as what it represents, far as defending our selves.  There is a successful concept called, hidden in plain sight, You refer to BO as being stupid, but the thing is "Is HE"!!! Have you ever played checkers or chest, you have to lose to win. My question is," Is he stupid or is it strategy", he seems to this point, to be getting away with it with no repercussions. Seems a little in plain sight!!! The thing is across the nation it seems like bit by bit we are losing the right to protect ourselves, when police are in split second moments and react to the situation. People want to hang them out to dry, and of course the media don't help. Again and again they refer to the gun control to the people that register their weapons, and totally dismiss the criminals that that cause the problem.  When will they ever get it in their head that,"Criminals Don't Register Their Guns".  They seem to always take exception of the fact and make them the main issue of their argument. Sure on occasion people that have registered guns commit crimes, but compare it to all the crimes that people that don't registered their gun, is a small fraction. I see something coming up the road, where you will not be able to afford to have weapons to protect yourself.
I don't know I am just think out loud, correct if I am wrong, and I hope I am wrong!!

Protect yourse3lf from what?

99.99% of people spend their whole life never having the oppo to use a fun to "protect" themsleves. There are thousands of peoiple every year who need protection _from_ themsleves...gun suicides. There are many more gun accidents. There are many more gun murders.There is pretty clear evidence that in an emergency situation,even gun-trained people will "shoot themselvea (or someone else) in the foot" when trying to "protect" themselves and other against local attack.

IIRC the right to bear arms (given a LONG time ago) was about NATIONAL  defence, when America felt threatened by Britain and maybe others. Either it has been twisted by gun-lovers, or by paranoid nationalists who still feel that the world outside the USA is out to GET the USA, to fight tooth and claw to allow as many guns as possible. Yet the US....no,I will not go there in this forum.

If you go into life looking for trouble, you are more likely to find it.

I did not want to get into this, but VRCC is selling shirts about this stuff and it really p'd me off. I stayed out of it, and now I read these posts.

BTW, freedom means you can ascribe any motive you like to Obama, but he is as free as you and was elected. I truly believe he is NOT stupid...god no..try going head to head in aq debate with that guy ok?..and is not trying to wreck the US. He just believes in stuff that you don't and rubbishing the man is not argument worth consideration

You are an Australian and you jump into this like you have any say in this matter?  You need to rethink this bud.

The 2nd Amendment is about keeping the ability to stop a rogue government.  It was and is intended to protect us from the very administration we have RIGHT NOW.  That is why obama is so bent on shutting it down.  He can't have too much power in his view.  The self-protection and hunting are merely side benefits of an armed populace.

Obama was elected BECAUSE HE IS BLACK.  By the apologist liberals, the free crap army, and the black community who voted on their skin color not the issues.  96% of them.  Nothing is free.  And now even the morons might be realizing that.  Meanwhile the bastard is doing everything he can to "fundamentally change" our country.  While he craps on our founding principles, the Constitution.

If you don't like the shirts - don't buy one. Clearly they are not intended for you.  If you don't like the politics - don't open the thread.  And stay with the issues in your own country.

[Valkorado]

Figuratively, I am going to shoot from the hip on this, First the way I seen it, was Clinton wasn't the embarrassment, it was the people reaction to Clinton that was embarrassing to me. From what I read in the past, other countries said, what is the big deal, and ranking people have mistress. I not saying whether  it was right or wrong, I am just saying that it wasn't as earth shacking as the American Media made it out to be, everyone has faults.  

Now the thing that concerns me, is not the Constitution itself and much as what it represents, far as defending our selves.  There is a successful concept called, hidden in plain sight, You refer to BO as being stupid, but the thing is "Is HE"!!! Have you ever played checkers or chest, you have to lose to win. My question is," Is he stupid or is it strategy", he seems to this point, to be getting away with it with no repercussions. Seems a little in plain sight!!! The thing is across the nation it seems like bit by bit we are losing the right to protect ourselves, when police are in split second moments and react to the situation. People want to hang them out to dry, and of course the media don't help. Again and again they refer to the gun control to the people that register their weapons, and totally dismiss the criminals that that cause the problem.  When will they ever get it in their head that,"Criminals Don't Register Their Guns".  They seem to always take exception of the fact and make them the main issue of their argument. Sure on occasion people that have registered guns commit crimes, but compare it to all the crimes that people that don't registered their gun, is a small fraction. I see something coming up the road, where you will not be able to afford to have weapons to protect yourself.
I don't know I am just think out loud, correct if I am wrong, and I hope I am wrong!!

Protect yourse3lf from what?

99.99% of people spend their whole life never having the oppo to use a fun to "protect" themsleves. There are thousands of peoiple every year who need protection _from_ themsleves...gun suicides. There are many more gun accidents. There are many more gun murders.There is pretty clear evidence that in an emergency situation,even gun-trained people will "shoot themselvea (or someone else) in the foot" when trying to "protect" themselves and other against local attack.

IIRC the right to bear arms (given a LONG time ago) was about NATIONAL  defence, when America felt threatened by Britain and maybe others. Either it has been twisted by gun-lovers, or by paranoid nationalists who still feel that the world outside the USA is out to GET the USA, to fight tooth and claw to allow as many guns as possible. Yet the US....no,I will not go there in this forum.

If you go into life looking for trouble, you are more likely to find it.

I did not want to get into this, but VRCC is selling shirts about this stuff and it really p'd me off. I stayed out of it, and now I read these posts.

BTW, freedom means you can ascribe any motive you like to Obama, but he is as free as you and was elected. I truly believe he is NOT stupid...god no..try going head to head in aq debate with that guy ok?..and is not trying to wreck the US. He just believes in stuff that you don't and rubbishing the man is not argument worth consideration

You are an Australian and you jump into this like you have any say in this matter?  You need to rethink this bud.

The 2nd Amendment is about keeping the ability to stop a rogue government.  It was and is intended to protect us from the very administration we have RIGHT NOW.  That is why obama is so bent on shutting it down.  He can't have too much power in his view.  The self-protection and hunting are merely side benefits of an armed populace.

Obama was elected BECAUSE HE IS BLACK.  By the apologist liberals, the free crap army, and the black community who voted on their skin color not the issues.  96% of them.  Nothing is free.  And now even the morons might be realizing that.  Meanwhile the bastard is doing everything he can to "fundamentally change" our country.  While he craps on our founding principles, the Constitution.

If you don't like the shirts - don't buy one. Clearly they are not intended for you.  If you don't like the politics - don't open the thread.  And stay with the issues in your own country.

Applauding until my hands bleed.   

[dreamaker]

Dreamaker it wasn't so much the action of what Bill Clinton did as the fact that he blatantly lied to the American public as well as under oath. A trait Hillary has learned very well.

I do understand the issue was the lie under oath, I think it is a natural defect in men to lie when they are caught with their pants down, is it Right, NO!! But it was made in to colossal issue. Frankly I never totally understood all the facts, the thing I always wondered about was the fact that Monaca held the dress for over a year, which in my mind that would be premeditated, and it would seem to me that it would be a conspiracy to take down the Prez. But that issue never came up. Now correct me if I am wrong, OK!! Now the one we have now, some of the slick moves would generate some form major issue to Impeach, but everything goes on as life as normal.  I don't get it!! There has to be some kind of hidden agenda there.

[Gavin_Sons]

I love how people from other countries, espically the ones that have taken guns away jump in and tell us statistics about how 99.9 % of people never have to protect themselves.  What about the 80% that never report an incident? I choose not to be the .1% that needs to protect themselves but does not have a weapon to do so. I carry every day and will contuinue to do so until they pry my guns from my cold dead hands.

[solo1]

Old Nick, you don't know what you're talking about!

You have no understanding of our Second Amendment.   If you were to look into our history you would find that Madison, in his 46th Federalist Paper, tells exactly the purpose of the Second Amendment.  It was intended for the people (the Militia) to take back an out of control government..  That was the intent.  The fact that there is an ongoing effort to take away our guns is a prime example of big government and corrupt leaders..  They fear us.

The USA has the Second Amendment.   Australia doesn't, now look what has happened to your Nation.
I once had a deep respect for Australia and considered it a nation of freedom.  Now it is not, due to politicians like ours.  I have no idea on how Australian politicians managed to do that, but, unlike your post  about our Republic,  I won't express my 'opinion' as fact.

Be careful expressing your views when you don't have a dog in the fight.

[Gavin_Sons]

Figuratively, I am going to shoot from the hip on this, First the way I seen it, was Clinton wasn't the embarrassment, it was the people reaction to Clinton that was embarrassing to me. From what I read in the past, other countries said, what is the big deal, and ranking people have mistress. I not saying whether  it was right or wrong, I am just saying that it wasn't as earth shacking as the American Media made it out to be, everyone has faults.  

Now the thing that concerns me, is not the Constitution itself and much as what it represents, far as defending our selves.  There is a successful concept called, hidden in plain sight, You refer to BO as being stupid, but the thing is "Is HE"!!! Have you ever played checkers or chest, you have to lose to win. My question is," Is he stupid or is it strategy", he seems to this point, to be getting away with it with no repercussions. Seems a little in plain sight!!! The thing is across the nation it seems like bit by bit we are losing the right to protect ourselves, when police are in split second moments and react to the situation. People want to hang them out to dry, and of course the media don't help. Again and again they refer to the gun control to the people that register their weapons, and totally dismiss the criminals that that cause the problem.  When will they ever get it in their head that,"Criminals Don't Register Their Guns".  They seem to always take exception of the fact and make them the main issue of their argument. Sure on occasion people that have registered guns commit crimes, but compare it to all the crimes that people that don't registered their gun, is a small fraction. I see something coming up the road, where you will not be able to afford to have weapons to protect yourself.
I don't know I am just think out loud, correct if I am wrong, and I hope I am wrong!!

Protect yourse3lf from what?

99.99% of people spend their whole life never having the oppo to use a fun to "protect" themsleves. There are thousands of peoiple every year who need protection _from_ themsleves...gun suicides. There are many more gun accidents. There are many more gun murders.There is pretty clear evidence that in an emergency situation,even gun-trained people will "shoot themselvea (or someone else) in the foot" when trying to "protect" themselves and other against local attack.

IIRC the right to bear arms (given a LONG time ago) was about NATIONAL  defence, when America felt threatened by Britain and maybe others. Either it has been twisted by gun-lovers, or by paranoid nationalists who still feel that the world outside the USA is out to GET the USA, to fight tooth and claw to allow as many guns as possible. Yet the US....no,I will not go there in this forum.

If you go into life looking for trouble, you are more likely to find it.

I did not want to get into this, but VRCC is selling shirts about this stuff and it really p'd me off. I stayed out of it, and now I read these posts.

BTW, freedom means you can ascribe any motive you like to Obama, but he is as free as you and was elected. I truly believe he is NOT stupid...god no..try going head to head in aq debate with that guy ok?..and is not trying to wreck the US. He just believes in stuff that you don't and rubbishing the man is not argument worth consideration

Yeah, you know nothing about our second amendment.  Stick whith what you know, government owned citizens.

[sutterhome]

oldnick check your facts.

"There are thousands of peoiple every year who need protection _from_ themsleves...gun suicides.There are many more gun accidents. There are many more gun murders."

You and Hillary are both wrong on this. Many more gun suicides than gun murders..something like 2 to 1 if i recall correctly

[Willow]

...
99.99% of people spend their whole life never having the oppo to use a fun to "protect" themsleves. There are thousands of peoiple every year who need protection _from_ themsleves...gun suicides. There are many more gun accidents. There are many more gun murders.There is pretty clear evidence that in an emergency situation,even gun-trained people will "shoot themselvea (or someone else) in the foot" when trying to "protect" themselves and other against local attack.
...

Thank you for sharing your opinion.  It's a general board and there is no rule that says you have to be of a particular nationality to have an opinion.

I know you believe the statistics you posted but I don't.  I'm not sure the relationships between suicides, gun murders, and opportunities to defend oneself with a firearm are quite what was presented.  More importantly, within the USA I don't believe tighter gun control (or elimination) within the law abiding populace would have a significant impact on gun suicides and gun murders.  The evidence supporting my perspective is that within this country Chicago and California are among those under the most strict gun control laws and yet their incidents of gun violence not only are not among the lowest but are among the highest in the country.

I will confess that I believe Australia has succeeded in changing the culture enough to remove firearms almost in their entirety and by so doing seems to have had a positive impact on gun violence.  I really don't see that happening in this country.  There is enough stolen weaponry to supply the bad guys for many years yet to come and even after that may dry up Mexico and Central America are a short distance away.  We are not an island such as are Australia and the UK.

Thank you for sharing your opinion, Nick.  It doesn't surprise me at all but it does give me the benefit of hearing from someone outside my own national culture.  That's of good value to me.

Incidentally, I need you to know that the VRCC does not sell tee shirts, with the possible exception of InZane event shirts.  F6Rider Store is a supporting vendor and advertises above the boards but is a separate entity entirely from the Valkyrie Riders Cruisers Club.  

[Chrisj CMA]

I think we should institute Obama control measures!

[baldo]

I think we should institute Obama control measures!

Really? Anything particular in mind?

[..]

I think we should institute Obama control measures!

Really? Anything particular in mind?

You start if you dare  

Or do you think he has done no wrong? 

[Chrisj CMA]

I think we should institute Obama control measures!

Really? Anything particular in mind?

I would start with his pen and his phone

[slowshadow]

I am a law abiding citizen.
If the Government comes to get my guns I will comply fully.
They will get my firearms, bullets first, until I have exhausted my supply of ammo or after they have managed to kill me.
I would much rather ride my Valk and enjoy life with my family.
However, it has been much too long since the tree of liberty has been refreshed with the blood of patriots...and tyrants. 

[Jess from VA]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pELwCqz2JfE

[bagelboy]

Nick, you as a citizen from another country can not begin to feel the anger most true Americans feel with this President. Like Australians, French, Italians, or whatever country, we are a proud people. Many, many people have died throughout our history to protect our way of life, and for the freedoms we believe in and were born into as American citizens. We have a President who has destroyed our healthcare, traded hostages, created a race war, given nuclear weapons to terrorist countries, stepped on our second amendment rights, and continually lied to the American people. Now I would not begin to tell you how to treat your President or Government because it is not my country and certainly not my business. If you don't wish to have guns in your country, fine! If you wish to give every newborn a gun at birth, fine! I don't really care what you do! I am sick and tired of hearing what other countries think of the US. If you don't like it, don't come here!

[wiggydotcom]

I subscribe to the mindset that instead of going after the guns of the general law abiding population, MAYBE the President should be more concerned about what is coming out of Hollywood via the film and television industry.  Too many of these mentally unbalanced individuals who become the mass shooters can easily be influenced by the sickness/gruesomeness/perversion that floods our movie and TV screens.

And I honestly don't know what the answer is to stop it. If I advocated censorship, I'd probably be just as guilty of wanting to curtail First Amendment rights as those who are attacking our Second Amendment.

But I think if somehow Hollywood could be influenced, it would go a lot further than more gun control/background checks.

[Chrisj CMA]

I subscribe to the mindset that instead of going after the guns of the general law abiding population, MAYBE the President should be more concerned about what is coming out of Hollywood via the film and television industry.  Too many of these mentally unbalanced individuals who become the mass shooters can easily be influenced by the sickness/gruesomeness/perversion that floods our movie and TV screens.

And I honestly don't know what the answer is to stop it. If I advocated censorship, I'd probably be just as guilty of wanting to curtail First Amendment rights as those who are attacking our Second Amendment.

But I think if somehow Hollywood could be influenced, it would go a lot further than more gun control/background checks.

You make the obvious mistake that Obama gives a rat's butt about gun violence.  Progressive, Socialist commie types are for eliminating private gun ownership because it is much harder and more dangerous (for them) to control an armed society.

Obama's gun control crap is all about control, not about the gun violence

[Serk]

It seems kind of ironic to me, from initial reports it looks like one of Obama's (pbuh) executive orders will be to force more small time firearm sellers to get a FFL, thus increasing the number of FFLs quite a bit.

The ironic bit is the last Democrat president to go tilting at the windmills of gun control declared the problem was there were too many FFLs and took measure to drastically cut the number of FFL holders.

So Clinton's crusade "gun violence" was to decrease the number of FFLs in existence, and Obama's answer to this failure is to increase the number of FFLs...

Yeah... that makes perfect sense.
 

[wiggydotcom]

I subscribe to the mindset that instead of going after the guns of the general law abiding population, MAYBE the President should be more concerned about what is coming out of Hollywood via the film and television industry.  Too many of these mentally unbalanced individuals who become the mass shooters can easily be influenced by the sickness/gruesomeness/perversion that floods our movie and TV screens.

And I honestly don't know what the answer is to stop it. If I advocated censorship, I'd probably be just as guilty of wanting to curtail First Amendment rights as those who are attacking our Second Amendment.

But I think if somehow Hollywood could be influenced, it would go a lot further than more gun control/background checks.

You make the obvious mistake that Obama gives a rat's butt about gun violence.  Progressive, Socialist commie types are for eliminating private gun ownership because it is much harder and more dangerous (for them) to control an armed society.

Obama's gun control crap is all about control, not about the gun violence

Jeff, I'll have to differ with you because I didn't make any statement on what Obama thinks. I stated where I thought one of the problems was with guns being used in violent situations. I agree with you on his objective. That was never in question.

[98valk]

he and other political leaders of this country have sold their souls and this country to the UN.

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2013/04/02/what-americans-need-to-know-about-u-n-s-new-gun-control-treaty/

http://www.wnd.com/2012/09/u-n-triggers-plan-b-on-global-gun-control/

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2012/07/09/obamas_coming_gun_control_through_the_un

http://www.infowars.com/bombshell-un-gun-treaty-does-ban-guns/

http://conservative-daily.com/2014/11/11/un-to-enforce-gun-control-with-obamas-help/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6Mw2lr3Vbo

[Pete]

...
Oboob is an embarrassment to all people globally. He constantly proves that you cannot fix stupid.
...

I won't bother arguing with you on your opinion of embarrassment, but don't think for a moment that Barrack Obama is stupid.  He is indeed a brilliant man and is in many ways accomplishing exactly what he intended to accomplish.  That you and I have a different vision of what we want the United States of America to be may certainly be true but it is not because he is stupid.  It is because he has a completely different set of values than do you or I.

To accuse too quickly those with whom we disagree of stupidity is to greatly underestimate the opposition.  

I never suggest that anyone underestimate stupid.
Just recoganize it for what it is and do not confuse it with intelligence.

He has spent 7 years proving the point that I made today.
I have seen nothing in his hidden records that makes me think he is intelligent.
I have seen nothing in his actions that impress or inspire me.
Yes I think he is dangerous and dangerously stupid.
His lawless actions breed contempt and under mind my freedoms.
Primarily because he does not understand a huge segment of the US society that he dislikes and
does not understand the consequences of his actions.
He s a typical progressive liberal and constantly denies reality.  

He and Bill and Hillary should be in jail on charges. Not because they are Democrats or liberals but because they repeatedly have broken laws and none of them is smart enough to understand the damage they have done.

The US will survive him and his actions and history will remember him as the worst president to date.
A fitting legacy.

And no I am not a democrat or republican, liberal or conservative.
I am tired of politics and politicians, liars, crooks.
And I do not subscribe to the theory that there is a place for a political ruling class.

[Pete]

It seems kind of ironic to me, from initial reports it looks like one of Obama's (pbuh) executive orders will be to force more small time firearm sellers to get a FFL, thus increasing the number of FFLs quite a bit.

The ironic bit is the last Democrat president to go tilting at the windmills of gun control declared the problem was there were too many FFLs and took measure to drastically cut the number of FFL holders.

So Clinton's crusade "gun violence" was to decrease the number of FFLs in existence, and Obama's answer to this failure is to increase the number of FFLs...

Yeah... that makes perfect sense.
 

Yes I agree, seems kinda STUPID doesn't it.
All smoke and mirrors and no substance. Typical Oboob.
In addition very few will get an FFL or comply.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Nick, you as a citizen from another country can not begin to feel the anger most true Americans feel with this President. Like Australians, French, Italians, or whatever country, we are a proud people. Many, many people have died throughout our history to protect our way of life, and for the freedoms we believe in and were born into as American citizens. We have a President who has destroyed our healthcare, traded hostages, created a race war, given nuclear weapons to terrorist countries, stepped on our second amendment rights, and continually lied to the American people. Now I would not begin to tell you how to treat your President or Government because it is not my country and certainly not my business. If you don't wish to have guns in your country, fine! If you wish to give every newborn a gun at birth, fine! I don't really care what you do! I am sick and tired of hearing what other countries think of the US. If you don't like it, don't come here!

"most true Americans" ? What does that mean ? If someone doesn't see things like you do they are not a true American ? And I doubt that you care but Australia has a Prime Minister not a president.

[baldo]

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He and Bill and Hillary should be in jail on charges. Not because they are Democrats or liberals but because they repeatedly have broken laws and none of them is smart enough to understand the damage they have done.


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I see this all the time, and I never get an answer. Which laws have they broken? And please be specific.

[Robert]

He and Bill and Hillary should be in jail on charges. Not because they are Democrats or liberals but because they repeatedly have broken laws and none of them is smart enough to understand the damage they have done.

I see this all the time, and I never get an answer. Which laws have they broken? And please be specific.

So Baldo

Here is part of the problem.

First off he has broken his oath of office to defend and uphold the constitution.  This is where most of the law he has broken comes in, since there is not enough evidence because of no investigation because he controls the justice dept and has squashed investigations. One of the most blatant is he has given us O care which the supreme court said was a tax not a health plan. Only Congress has the right to impose tax not the president. The executive orders he is issuing have been successfully challenged and defeated in some instances in court. So by issuing these orders and the courts have said they are unconstitutional he again has violated his oath of office. This does not address the numerous questions about residency that still have not been answered successfully. His role in Benghazi or the his role in the Target tax scandals. This is just to name a few along with the authority to issue executive orders on gun control and numerous other orders that have dubious authority to even be issued. The saddest thing is Congress has officially fallen down on the job of protecting the government and the people of the US by allowing him to usurp authority from them unchallenged. He has supported gay rights over the vote of the people and not enforced the marriage act that he was supposed to enforce. IUt was not his job to decide if he didn't want to enforce it because he thought it unconstitutional his job was to do his job and enforce the law. There is so much more which also begs the question why he would not tell the State dept to investigate Hillary for the email and Benghazi discrepancies. One of the first acts he did when he came into office that was not illeagal but hurt people was to abolish the bank fees and make the banks charge outrageous interest on credit cards that when he came into office were at 6 to 7 percent. The list goes on and on even to the forming of O care where we get the architect of the law come on national tv and say it was just to scam people. So why wasn't he prosecuted for this?

Can you say traitor trade off without approval and without checking the facts like

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/09/politics/taliban-5-bowe-bergdahl-congress-report/

Washington (CNN)A House Armed Services Committee report set to be released Thursday accuses the Obama administration of misleading Congress and violating federal law during a controversial prisoner exchange.

Untouchables': Obama Cronies “Protected Wall Street’s Most Criminal From Prosecution”

Worse, it is utterly clear that Obama's Justice Department went out of their way to avoid prosecuting Wall Street executives – even despite pressure from Congress' Oversight Panel, created as a condition of TARP, to do so as a result of piles of evidence that criminal misbehavior was behind the worst of the collapse.

Attorney General Eric Holder was nominally in charge of the Justice Department's investigations – and it is well worth pointing out that he spent the entirety of his time after being Clinton's Deputy Attorney General, at Covington & Burling, a legal firm that specializes in representing top Wall Street institutions.

http://www.petition2congress.com/9138/impeach-prosecute-obama-high-crimes-misdemeanors/

1. Arming America's enemies. (http://tinyurl.com/6ptsv3w)

2. Making laws at his own discretion, bypassing Congress, and abusing 'executive powers'. (http://tinyurl.com/arxn483)

3. For seizing America's healthcare system and imposing oppressive taxation under the "Affordable Healthcare Act" (ObamaCare) (http://tinyurl.com/bfyyccn)
TITLE IVAMENDMENTS TO INTERNAL REVENUE CODE OF 1986

Subtitle AShared Responsibility

PART 1INDIVIDUAL RESPONSIBILITY

SEC. 401. TAX ON INDIVIDUALS WITHOUT ACCEPTABLE HEALTH CARE COVERAGE.

(a) IN GENERAL.Subchapter A of chapter 1 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 is amended by adding at the end the following new part:

PART VIIIHEALTH CARE RELATED TAXES

SUBPART A. TAX ON INDIVIDUALS WITHOUT ACCEPTABLE HEALTH CARE COVERAGE.

Sec. 59B. Tax on individuals without acceptable health care coverage.

(a) TAX IMPOSED.In the case of any individual who does not meet the requirements of subsection (d) at any time during the taxable year, there is hereby imposed a tax equal to 2.5 percent of the excess of

(1) the taxpayers modified adjusted gross income for the taxable year, over

(2) the amount of gross income specified in section 6012(a)(1) with respect to the taxpayer.

4. Leaking classified information about the SEAL's Bin Laden mission, as well as the U.S.- Israeli cyberwarfare against Iran and the use of drones to target and kill muslim terrorists. (http://tinyurl.com/adpdfhe, http://tinyurl.com/clykmq8)

5. For engaging in illegal gunrunning to Mexican criminals (Fast and Furious), obstructing justice, and lying under oath to Congress, and retaliating against ATF agents who refused to go along with the coverup.
(http://tinyurl.com/3w9qmab, http://tinyurl.com/b4exmtr, http://tinyurl.com/ahz5pt3)

6. For depraved indifference and dereliction of duty in the deaths of 4 Americans in Benghazi, including a U.S. Ambassador and two former SEALS. (http://tinyurl.com/ardv3sr)

He has used his executive powers as an instrument to enact oppressive legislation against will of the American people, and violate the laws and the Constitution of the United States. Therefore, we demand that he be impeached and removed from office.


When O first came into office he threw his buddy George Soros a sweet deal with south American oil also.

[wiggydotcom]

He and Bill and Hillary should be in jail on charges. Not because they are Democrats or liberals but because they repeatedly have broken laws and none of them is smart enough to understand the damage they have done.


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I see this all the time, and I never get an answer. Which laws have they broken? And please be specific.




[/quote]

I don't ALWAYS like going first, but here's one! I think it's called Grand Theft?!

[baldo]

He and Bill and Hillary should be in jail on charges. Not because they are Democrats or liberals but because they repeatedly have broken laws and none of them is smart enough to understand the damage they have done.

I see this all the time, and I never get an answer. Which laws have they broken? And please be specific.

So Baldo

Here is part of the problem.

First off he has broken his oath of office to defend and uphold the constitution.  This is where most of the law he has broken comes in, since there is not enough evidence because of no investigation because he controls the justice dept and has squashed investigations. One of the most blatant is he has given us O care which the supreme court said was a tax not a health plan. Only Congress has the right to impose tax not the president. The executive orders he is issuing have been successfully challenged and defeated in some instances in court. So by issuing these orders and the courts have said they are unconstitutional he again has violated his oath of office. This does not address the numerous questions about residency that still have not been answered successfully. His role in Benghazi or the his role in the Target tax scandals. This is just to name a few along with the authority to issue executive orders on gun control and numerous other orders that have dubious authority to even be issued. The saddest thing is Congress has officially fallen down on the job of protecting the government and the people of the US by allowing him to usurp authority from them unchallenged. He has supported gay rights over the vote of the people and not enforced the marriage act that he was supposed to enforce. IUt was not his job to decide if he didn't want to enforce it because he thought it unconstitutional his job was to do his job and enforce the law. There is so much more which also begs the question why he would not tell the State dept to investigate Hillary for the email and Benghazi discrepancies. One of the first acts he did when he came into office that was not illeagal but hurt people was to abolish the bank fees and make the banks charge outrageous interest on credit cards that when he came into office were at 6 to 7 percent. The list goes on and on even to the forming of O care where we get the architect of the law come on national tv and say it was just to scam people. So why wasn't he prosecuted for this?

Can you say traitor trade off without approval and without checking the facts like

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/09/politics/taliban-5-bowe-bergdahl-congress-report/

Washington (CNN)A House Armed Services Committee report set to be released Thursday accuses the Obama administration of misleading Congress and violating federal law during a controversial prisoner exchange.

Untouchables': Obama Cronies “Protected Wall Street’s Most Criminal From Prosecution”

Worse, it is utterly clear that Obama's Justice Department went out of their way to avoid prosecuting Wall Street executives – even despite pressure from Congress' Oversight Panel, created as a condition of TARP, to do so as a result of piles of evidence that criminal misbehavior was behind the worst of the collapse.

Attorney General Eric Holder was nominally in charge of the Justice Department's investigations – and it is well worth pointing out that he spent the entirety of his time after being Clinton's Deputy Attorney General, at Covington & Burling, a legal firm that specializes in representing top Wall Street institutions.

http://www.petition2congress.com/9138/impeach-prosecute-obama-high-crimes-misdemeanors/

1. Arming America's enemies. (http://tinyurl.com/6ptsv3w)

2. Making laws at his own discretion, bypassing Congress, and abusing 'executive powers'. (http://tinyurl.com/arxn483)

3. For seizing America's healthcare system and imposing oppressive taxation under the "Affordable Healthcare Act" (ObamaCare) (http://tinyurl.com/bfyyccn)
TITLE IVAMENDMENTS TO INTERNAL REVENUE CODE OF 1986

Subtitle AShared Responsibility

PART 1INDIVIDUAL RESPONSIBILITY

SEC. 401. TAX ON INDIVIDUALS WITHOUT ACCEPTABLE HEALTH CARE COVERAGE.

(a) IN GENERAL.Subchapter A of chapter 1 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 is amended by adding at the end the following new part:

PART VIIIHEALTH CARE RELATED TAXES

SUBPART A. TAX ON INDIVIDUALS WITHOUT ACCEPTABLE HEALTH CARE COVERAGE.

Sec. 59B. Tax on individuals without acceptable health care coverage.

(a) TAX IMPOSED.In the case of any individual who does not meet the requirements of subsection (d) at any time during the taxable year, there is hereby imposed a tax equal to 2.5 percent of the excess of

(1) the taxpayers modified adjusted gross income for the taxable year, over

(2) the amount of gross income specified in section 6012(a)(1) with respect to the taxpayer.

4. Leaking classified information about the SEAL's Bin Laden mission, as well as the U.S.- Israeli cyberwarfare against Iran and the use of drones to target and kill muslim terrorists. (http://tinyurl.com/adpdfhe, http://tinyurl.com/clykmq8)

5. For engaging in illegal gunrunning to Mexican criminals (Fast and Furious), obstructing justice, and lying under oath to Congress, and retaliating against ATF agents who refused to go along with the coverup.
(http://tinyurl.com/3w9qmab, http://tinyurl.com/b4exmtr, http://tinyurl.com/ahz5pt3)

6. For depraved indifference and dereliction of duty in the deaths of 4 Americans in Benghazi, including a U.S. Ambassador and two former SEALS. (http://tinyurl.com/ardv3sr)

He has used his executive powers as an instrument to enact oppressive legislation against will of the American people, and violate the laws and the Constitution of the United States. Therefore, we demand that he be impeached and removed from office.


When O first came into office he threw his buddy George Soros a sweet deal with south American oil also.

After reading through this, I'm still asking the question. The statement was made, 'they should be in jail on charges'. I asked for specific laws that were broken to back it up. What I got was a big ball of marshmallow. Your first couple of sentences couldn't be any more vague.....

These are all talking points of those on the right. Hell, I'd love to see Bush in prison for lying us into war and killing 4500 servicemen, but I don't see this happening.

He's got one more year in office. I hope he really steps on some necks, it should really give most of the members here something to talk about.