Confused about Weather!

[dreamaker]

I am slightly confused about the weather, generally speaking, there seems to be two schools of thought of scientist about the weather conditions. The first group and BO and friends agree that we have an issue concerning global warming and it is mostly due to our vehicles and fossil fuels.  Now the other school of thought states that, fossil fuels does slightly contribute to, but it is only a natural transition the earth is going through and has done it before. OK!!  Understand this is based on bits and pieces I have read, and are they facts, I don’t know, that is why I am asking you. Also I heard that the first group or BO group if you wish, wants to impose a form of carbon tax of some sort to penalize the public for uses of these vehicles.  Funny thing is, theses vehicles is probably what made them wealthy.  Here is where the confusion comes in; I can only speak for Michigan. But I watch the weather often, and pay attention to the weather history, now lately we have approached record temps., match temps., and even broke temp. records in the past few years. In the background I noticed the dates the last time temps broke the records was mostly in the mid to late 1800’s. Now would they have thought, that they would have put restrictions on their cars, boats, planes, truck, and lawn mowers then, so it doesn’t affect us now? Or do I have it all wrong!!!
I am going to shoot from the hip with this, here is a theory, they know for a face that people have money put away, and have money saved, and the guv. and business wants a big piece of it. They can’t get the public to spend enough through retail, so they will get it by penalizing anything they can get away with.  I think the bottom line is always about MONEY and POWER!!!  Sounds crazy right!! 
THINGS ALWAYS HAPPEN FOR A REASON!

[scooperhsd]

The weather - what a combination of simple yet complex facets !

Simple - I see the temperature is 28 degrees, wind is 5 gusting to 10 from the northwest, it is snowing (because  lake michigan is to my northwest) - QED - we're seeing Lake effect snow because the Lake hasn't frozen over yet.

Complex - Weather is not just a local phenonmom - things all over the planet mix and match to give almost inifinte combinations. There's the Siberean winter cold pressure, there's El Nino in the equatorial Pacific Ocean, the Bermuda high off the East Coast - sandstorms in the sahara desert in africa - Each of these plays a part in what you see locally.

Most of us can agree that the weather is constantly changing (a good thing - otherwise it would be an indication that the planet is on the way to becoming inhabitable). If you're a real weather junkie - The Weather Channel and WeatherNation (especially the later) can give you 24 hour nothing but weather.

Take heart in your confusion - even the professional weather forecasters get thrown for a loop every once in a while and just plain miss it. But it does start making more sense when you take a global view of the weather patterns.

[Alpha Dog]

For someone that says he is confused I would have to take issue with you Dreammaker.  You seem to have a pretty decent grasp of this issue.  

This global warming is simply a scheme by the international bankers to grow tremendous wealth for themselves by controlling the capital movement of carbon credits or whatever scheme they can manage.  The useful idiots are Shemp II and other heads of states and there staffs and politicians, especially the far left and some on the right.  ( after all when they are out of office they can get in on the carbon credit boom also through investment and being 6 or 7 figure lobbyist.)

Earth has always been through cycles.  We are in ice age cycles and between one now as recent million year history suggest.  1000 years ago the Vikings made great voyages to cold climates and discovered ( or rediscovered ) Greenland, Canada and maybe Minnesota, because the coast was green and more hospitable than it became in the 13th century that started a mini ice age.   1000 years ago grapes grew abundantly in England.

Is it a good or great idea to clean up the pollution, few could say no including myself.  If you were to live in Beshing or Mexico City or a lot of huge cities where you could not see the next block I imagine you would think so also.    The US has made huge strides since 1970 and for us to apologize is looney.  Of course the far left ones to strip us of our wealth and squander it on the the 3rd world, when most of the funds would go to the richest bankers.

There has to be a better way.  I would go all out on a 60's type NASA strategy that gained us the Moon in 10 years, but not sure if the welfare and entitlement state that has been created which gobbles up almost all dollars will allow this to happen.  However the quickest way to get rid of as much pollution as possible is to make very very cheap clean energy available to the whole planet and this would advance mankind also.  The whole universe is energy and new ways to do this is solvable if you can keep the greedsters ( insert bankers and politicians ) out of the money equation.   Heck we have vehicles that are currently larger than aircraft  carriers that can hover in the sky and make no noise and then in a blink of an eye shot out of sight.  Not sure if these are above top secret military or something else, or both.  If military find out what there energy source is and bring it out.  If it is something else let us find out what that else is and make friends with them.
Chuck

[Moonshot_1]

you need one of these.

http://www.windycreek.com/weatherrock.html

[..]

Follow the money.

How much has Gore and others made selling carbon credits?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/energy/6491195/Al-Gore-could-become-worlds-first-carbon-billionaire.html

Hypocrisy pure and simple.

How many of the dem/left/progs that espouse climate/global/change/warming flit around in private jets?

For example De Caprio has stated he's willing to fly anywhere to help the cause. He's never heard of video conferencing?

Hypocrisy.

As to reducing pollution? Let's do it but not under the disguise of climate/global/change/warming and redistribution of money.

[dreamaker]

You do understand some parts of that I am just being sarcastic, correct! specially about the 1800's cars...............lawnmowers effecting the environment. But I am serious about the part, its all about our money, specially about what we have in our accounts. It may be illegal to disclose what a person has in their account, but it is not illegal for financial institutions to tell the world that middle class people have a truck load of money put away.  Don't you notice how retail AD's have increased, how you constantly have people AD's pushing of donations on everything that is close to you. Every time you go on the internet to find info., but you first get bombarded with advertisements and streaming. I just found head hunting organizations that find volunteer workers to do skilled tasks for free. Another words head hunters are getting paid for other peoples free labor. So the weather isn't any different, it will be a money maker. Sorry for the rant!!!!!

[baldo]

"Heck we have vehicles that are currently larger than aircraft  carriers that can hover in the sky and make no noise and then in a blink of an eye shot out of sight.  Not sure if these are above top secret military or something else, or both.  If military find out what there energy source is and bring it out.  If it is something else let us find out what that else is and make friends with them."


This I've gotta see......

[Moonshot_1]

The weather…my take on “global warming”

No one in this debate is a proponent of dirty air and dirty water.
We can, or certainly should, all agree that a paramount responsibility of any society is to ensure that the water is clean, the air clear, and garbage and waste controlled.

But the global warming debate is about the attempt to control the global environment. Or at least to suggest that mankind can actually do that.

My position on this is fairly simple. The driving force here is money and politics.
It certainly isn’t science. At least not unfettered science.

Demonize big gas and oil and make major investments in alternative energy. Warp the scientific data to hedge the statistics and drive the narrative of Global Warming as being directly caused by human industriousness to ensure popular and political support for the alternative energy investments.

It amazes me that the “scientific community” considers this “settled science” and dismisses, out of hand, data from other reliable sources and scientists of impeccable character that would appear to not support the narrative. 

Just the idea that perhaps the Pacific rim, which is lined with active under water volcanic activity which rationally would have the effect of a water heater as well as other natural phenomena can be a far greater cause of any assumed global warming than even our best historical industrial attempts, seems lost on those who choose to blindly follow the narrative.

But even if we are to assume the narrative is correct, so what?
The climate will change. So what?
The line that we are destroying the planet is rubbish.
Even if you could claim that it is an absolute that human industriousness is the culprit of global warming, a claim that is reasonably refutable, how does this destroy the planet?

It doesn’t

At the very most, we would have to simply adapt to the new climate. Which, if this is an actual natural phenomenon, we are destined to do anyway.

In our endeavors of human industriousness, we must, as a society, ensure that we pursue such endeavors with the rational idea of maintaining safe and clean water, clean and clear air, and control our waste and garbage. I certainly can support legislation and regulation that would responsibly achieve that end.

But supporting economic suicidal legislation and regulation based on the bogus and politically motivated idea we can control the global environment?

Nope. Because we can't. And it is asinine to assume so. Unless you got big money in it.

[scooperhsd]

"Heck we have vehicles that are currently larger than aircraft  carriers that can hover in the sky and make no noise and then in a blink of an eye shot out of sight.  Not sure if these are above top secret military or something else, or both.  If military find out what there energy source is and bring it out.  If it is something else let us find out what that else is and make friends with them."


This I've gotta see......

You and me both....

[Karen]

Thanks, Moonshot, I believe you have it nailed...

[MP]

Thanks, Moonshot, I believe you have it nailed...

Yep.

[Robert]

Remember the ozone scare, well that proved not true.

If you think about global warming and understand the gases they are talking about then you begin to question the price we pay for natural occurring gases. I wonder since CO2 is what we exhale will there be a effort to regulate man?

    Water vapor. The most abundant greenhouse gas, but importantly, it acts as a feedback to the climate. Water vapor increases as the Earth's atmosphere warms, but so does the possibility of clouds and precipitation, making these some of the most important feedback mechanisms to the greenhouse effect.

    Carbon dioxide (CO2). A minor but very important component of the atmosphere, carbon dioxide is released through natural processes such as respiration and volcano eruptions and through human activities such as deforestation, land use changes, and burning fossil fuels. Humans have increased atmospheric CO2 concentration by a third since the Industrial Revolution began. This is the most important long-lived "forcing" of climate change.

    Methane. A hydrocarbon gas produced both through natural sources and human activities, including the decomposition of wastes in landfills, agriculture, and especially rice cultivation, as well as ruminant digestion and manure management associated with domestic livestock. On a molecule-for-molecule basis, methane is a far more active greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide, but also one which is much less abundant in the atmosphere.

    Nitrous oxide. A powerful greenhouse gas produced by soil cultivation practices, especially the use of commercial and organic fertilizers, fossil fuel combustion, nitric acid production, and biomass burning.

    Chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs). Synthetic compounds entirely of industrial origin used in a number of applications, but now largely regulated in production and release to the atmosphere by international agreement for their ability to contribute to destruction of the ozone layer. They are also greenhouse gases.

[Willow]

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    Methane. A hydrocarbon gas produced both through natural sources and human activities, including the decomposition of wastes in landfills, agriculture, and especially rice cultivation, as well as ruminant digestion and manure management associated with domestic livestock. On a molecule-for-molecule basis, methane is a far more active greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide, but also one which is much less abundant in the atmosphere.
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I hope they don't start taxing based upon methane volume produced.  I could be seriously hurt financially.   

[Jersey mike]

in 1978 it was the threat of a new global ice age. All scientific data concluded it was inevitable. it's funny I can remember talking about it in grade school.

here is a link to a program that was on TV at the time featuring Leonard Nimoy. I like what he says at about the 2'40" mark; "Artic cold and perpetual snow"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq6fDa9JrzQ

[Moonshot_1]

If the Science officer of the Starship Enterprise says it is so, it must be.

I remember the Global Cooling warnings then as well.

Still the best indicator is the weather rock.

If it is wet -- Raining
If it is Dry -- Not raining
If it is hard to see -- Foggy
If you can't see it -- Dark
If it is gone -- Tornado

[Momz]

I guess those guys selling their "take off" PAIR VALVES and Chrome Tubes on ebay are going to make a mint.

Don't let the cows fart.

No really, it's G W Bush's fault!

..............ONLY SARCASM...........don't shoot the messenger

[dreamaker]

The place I retired from, I worked in the test lab. I was one of the few, that didn't have PHD after my name, the ones in my area insisted, to call them by name, but if needed to, start with Mr. Now ones in other dept., needed to be addressed as Dr., see where I am going with this. From the ones in my area I learned a truck from them, and they were devoted to the truth. Now the Dr. in the building, I also learned allot from them, they showed me how desperate people can be, the  point is, when a large company gives them multi-millions of dollars, they don't want to hear that they failed or made a mistake. So went it comes to scientist, it becomes about the level on the industrial plateau, and their reputation is everything. They will do anything to make the projects  appear not be a failure, no matter what it takes, who to blame and so on.  Not all are bad, some are true to their craft, and others are political failures, trying to convince people that putting whip cream and frosting on dog crap, makes it something good, but the truth is it is still dog crap. So the way I see it, it isn't any different in the world. People get it in their head, "WOW You are a scientist, you must be a demigod" The results of their failures, is the world we live in.
Another thing I found fascinating, the Chinese based on our media, has mainly been depicted as always living in harmony with nature, Readings and TV, remember Kung Fu, OK!! But about a week ago they showed on TV news Beijing China, a video with people on the street and it was so foggy with pollution they could barely see each other. What's with that, what happened to the harmony?

Again thinking out loud!! Hard to explain clearly.