Black Lives Are Cheap - Law Enforcement

[G-Man]

Clinton was asked the question "Do you believe that police think black lives are cheap?"

Without missing a beat, she answered in the affirmative.


To all the LEOs out there, take note of this.  If she wins, it'll be at least another 4 years of labeling LEOs as the enemy of the state.  Another 4 years of belittling what you do for a living.  Another 4 years of accusations.  Another 4 years of not being backed/supported by your superiors and elected officials.  Another 4 years of marches, riots, and chants against you.  Another 4 years of the lack of appreciation.  And, possibly, another 4 years of  police assassinations.

Stand together to destroy this liberal bias against you.  I understand that you are all part of organizations and unions, and hopefully these entities will see the light as well, but maybe not.  The individual officers need to say to themselves and each other..... NO MORE!  We're going to stand with those who appreciate what we do every day.  Where going to stand with the politicians who praise us, not those who throw us under the bus for votes.

God bless you all and thank you for what you do.

[Black Pearl's Captain]

Just to keep this within the least bit of truth, where did you read that? I searched for quote, "Do you believe that police think black lives are cheap" but no hits.

I'm not for Hillary and I stand behind the men in blue but I hate seeing so much BS posted here.

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She also said

"It has been heartbreaking, and incredibly outraging, to see the constant stories of young men like Walter Scott, who have been killed by police officers," she said. "There needs to be a concerted effort to address the systemic racism in our criminal justice system."

So it's not just the police it's THE WHOLE JUSTICE SYSTEM.

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http://mashable.com/2016/01/17/hillary-clinton-black-lives-matter/#OKVNhpBj85qE

[WilliamRS]

St. Paul Minnesota, Police sergeant placed on leave after suggesting that people run down BLM protesters with their cars:

“Run them over. Keep traffic flowing and don’t slow down for any of these idiots who try and block the street,” Rotheker advised his fellow Facebookers. He explained that they should “continue to drive and if you hit someone make sure you call 911 to report the accident and meet the cops a block or two away.” Rotheker says that the stop farther away can be justified because “you feared for your safety since in the past people in this group has shown [sic] a propensity towards violence.”

“Since they are trying to block the street and/or cross where there is no crossing you should not be charged with anything,” he added, explaining that even if “these idiots” attempted to sue you in civil court, “remember that it will be jury trial and so most likely it will come out in your favor.”

[WilliamRS]

Clinton was asked the question "Do you believe that police think black lives are cheap?"

Without missing a beat, she answered in the affirmative.


To all the LEOs out there, take note of this.  If she wins, it'll be at least another 4 years of labeling LEOs as the enemy of the state.  Another 4 years of belittling what you do for a living.  Another 4 years of accusations.  Another 4 years of not being backed/supported by your superiors and elected officials.  Another 4 years of marches, riots, and chants against you.  Another 4 years of the lack of appreciation.  And, possibly, another 4 years of  police assassinations.

Stand together to destroy this liberal bias against you.  I understand that you are all part of organizations and unions, and hopefully these entities will see the light as well, but maybe not.  The individual officers need to say to themselves and each other..... NO MORE!  We're going to stand with those who appreciate what we do every day.  Where going to stand with the politicians who praise us, not those who throw us under the bus for votes.

God bless you all and thank you for what you do.

The city of Chicago and the Chicago LEO's lied for over a year about the shooting of Laquan McDonald. 

LEO's must be held to a higher standard than average citizens because we, the citizens, have placed a high level of trust and power in their hands.

[Hooter]

   Our black community here has no problem with LE. I took a complaint in what we call the "hood" before the first of the year. (The hood is an 8 block area predominately black) This is what they call it when talking with us and vise versa,  so it isn't a slanderous statement. A young black kid had been in some minor mischief, and I was just taking him home to the parents. With him in tow I got to the house and knocked on the door. He said: "you don't have to do that I live here". I told him: "I didn't and that's why I knocked".

  I was met at the door by his mother. These are some of nicest people in my town. The family is as respectable as any other. She invited me in and immediately sent her son to the dining room without question and where supper had just begun. James reply to his mother was: "yes maam".

   Before any conversation began about her son she said to me: "we have just started our meal and you will join us". Without a breath she yelled into the dining room to her daughter: "Kelly, set a place for Mr. Bruce (thats my first name) , he will be joining us for supper". You don't turn miss Maymie down! The meal was great with no discussion of what had happened just small talk about my job.

   As soon as the meal was finished the table was cleared by her kids and we retreated to the living room, with James her son. About that time dad arrived home from work for a lunch break. This man is a monster and I have known him for years.  James Sr. came into the living room and said: "Hello  Mr. Bruce what is the trouble"?

   "Well, seems James socked a kid in the eye after the kid called him the "N" word. James told the kid he wasn't a "N" he was a person. The kid persisted some and James lit him up. The father looked at James and said: "is this the way it went James"? James reply was: "yes SIR" in a very respectful manor, along with I'm sorry father. (witnesses told the same story)

   After the reply James Sr. sent James to  his room. James Sr:..."What do you propose Mr. Bruce"? "No charges are going to be pressed. I think that James should stay away from the kid for a while". I have spoken with the other kids father and he is going to take care of the issue with him. James should have walked away, but I understand his actions. James Sr.:" We don't encourage fighting at all but I understand as well". " I shall take care of James". I said: don't be too hard on the kid this was hard for him to ignore".

   I live and work in a somewhat smaller community where we interact with everyone in every neighborhood. We are a proactive department and stop just to shoot the bull with everyone. I even play basket ball up in the hood, working or not.  We are respected there and treated very well even with all the crap that has happened in this country lately. I've sat on the hood of my cruiser and talked about all this crap with these guys for hours.  In order to get that respect we treat these people no different than anyone else in the city, white, black, purple.  I don't think this interaction can happen in a large community? Maybe I"m wrong? I don't think that this relationship can be destroyed by the Hildabeast or anyone else. As long as we stay honest and up front. This story means nothing to nobody but me. But, I enjoy these people and what we have.

[The emperor has no clothes]

   Our black community here has no problem with LE. I took a complaint in what we call the "hood" before the first of the year. (The hood is an 8 block area predominately black) This is what they call it when talking with us and vise versa,  so it isn't a slanderous statement. A young black kid had been in some minor mischief, and I was just taking him home to the parents. With him in tow I got to the house and knocked on the door. He said: "you don't have to do that I live here". I told him: "I didn't and that's why I knocked".

  I was met at the door by his mother. These are some of nicest people in my town. The family is as respectable as any other. She invited me in and immediately sent her son to the dining room without question and where supper had just begun. James reply to his mother was: "yes maam".

   Before any conversation began about her son she said to me: "we have just started our meal and you will join us". Without a breath she yelled into the dining room to her daughter: "Kelly, set a place for Mr. Bruce (thats my first name) , he will be joining us for supper". You don't turn miss Maymie down! The meal was great with no discussion of what had happened just small talk about my job.

   As soon as the meal was finished the table was cleared by her kids and we retreated to the living room, with James her son. About that time dad arrived home from work for a lunch break. This man is a monster and I have known him for years.  James Sr. came into the living room and said: "Hello  Mr. Bruce what is the trouble"?

   "Well, seems James socked a kid in the eye after the kid called him the "N" word. James told the kid he wasn't a "N" he was a person. The kid persisted some and James lit him up. The father looked at James and said: "is this the way it went James"? James reply was: "yes SIR" in a very respectful manor, along with I'm sorry father. (witnesses told the same story)

   After the reply James Sr. sent James to  his room. James Sr:..."What do you propose Mr. Bruce"? "No charges are going to be pressed. I think that James should stay away from the kid for a while". I have spoken with the other kids father and he is going to take care of the issue with him. James should have walked away, but I understand his actions. James Sr.:" We don't encourage fighting at all but I understand as well". " I shall take care of James". I said: don't be too hard on the kid this was hard for him to ignore".

   I live and work in a somewhat smaller community where we interact with everyone in every neighborhood. We are a proactive department and stop just to shoot the bull with everyone. I even play basket ball up in the hood, working or not.  We are respected there and treated very well even with all the crap that has happened in this country lately. I've sat on the hood of my cruiser and talked about all this crap with these guys for hours.  In order to get that respect we treat these people no different than anyone else in the city, white, black, purple.  I don't think this interaction can happen in a large community? Maybe I"m wrong? I don't think that this relationship can be destroyed by the Hildabeast or anyone else. As long as we stay honest and up front. This story means nothing to nobody but me. But, I enjoy these people and what we have.

Hooter, I respectfully disagree. This story means something to me .  Thanks for sharing it. This is how Law Enforcement should be .

[Black Pearl's Captain]

thanks for the link Britman.

From the link:
"And when NBC Nightly News Anchor Lester Holt asked, "are black lives being cheap a reality or just perception?" Clinton answered: "Sadly, it's reality.""

Reads a lot different than Gman's post of if the police believe something. "Do you believe that police think black lives are cheap?"

OK I'm out this viewpoint thread.

[czuch]

Hooter, thanks.
This I believe is the norm. 3
What the media and the race baiters espouse is that they would have you
Think the opposite is the everyday.
Remember, there were only a few "Billy the kids" and plenty of citizen type folks back in the old west.

[Oss]

my hat is off to you Mr Hooter

Well done sir

[wiggydotcom]

my hat is off to you Mr Hooter

Well done sir

+1 Hooter. From what I see with your interaction and open dialog, there is a trust factor on both sides and that's awesome. In many places, it's worked out well when Police departments put satellite stations within the high crime areas. Often, officers will adopt a bike patrol or foot beat in those areas. It seems like winning their trust and treating them as human is a much better tactic than using shields and riot gear later on.

[MP]

Just to keep this within the least bit of truth, where did you read that? I searched for quote, "Do you believe that police think black lives are cheap" but no hits.

I'm not for Hillary and I stand behind the men in blue but I hate seeing so much BS posted here.

Here is the BS.

From the Democratic Debate:

Hillary Clinton called out "systemic racism" in the criminal justice system, during the Democratic debate in Charleston, South Carolina, on Sunday night.

And when NBC Nightly News Anchor Lester Holt asked, "are black lives being cheap a reality or just perception?" Clinton answered: "Sadly, it's reality."


Sounds like a quote to me.  I guess if it is BS, so be it.

[f6john]

   What's really sad is if she is elected it won't be 4 years, it will be 8

[The emperor has no clothes]

Just to keep this within the least bit of truth, where did you read that? I searched for quote, "Do you believe that police think black lives are cheap" but no hits.

I'm not for Hillary and I stand behind the men in blue but I hate seeing so much BS posted here.

Here is the BS.

From the Democratic Debate:

Hillary Clinton called out "systemic racism" in the criminal justice system, during the Democratic debate in Charleston, South Carolina, on Sunday night.

And when NBC Nightly News Anchor Lester Holt asked, "are black lives being cheap a reality or just perception?" Clinton answered: "Sadly, it's reality."


Sounds like a quote to me.  I guess if it is BS, so be it.

MP, did you read BPC's follow up post ?

[G-Man]

Clinton was asked the question "Do you believe that police think black lives are cheap?"

Without missing a beat, she answered in the affirmative.


To all the LEOs out there, take note of this.  If she wins, it'll be at least another 4 years of labeling LEOs as the enemy of the state.  Another 4 years of belittling what you do for a living.  Another 4 years of accusations.  Another 4 years of not being backed/supported by your superiors and elected officials.  Another 4 years of marches, riots, and chants against you.  Another 4 years of the lack of appreciation.  And, possibly, another 4 years of  police assassinations.

Stand together to destroy this liberal bias against you.  I understand that you are all part of organizations and unions, and hopefully these entities will see the light as well, but maybe not.  The individual officers need to say to themselves and each other..... NO MORE!  We're going to stand with those who appreciate what we do every day.  Where going to stand with the politicians who praise us, not those who throw us under the bus for votes.

God bless you all and thank you for what you do.

The city of Chicago and the Chicago LEO's lied for over a year about the shooting of Laquan McDonald. 

LEO's must be held to a higher standard than average citizens because we, the citizens, have placed a high level of trust and power in their hands.

Nope, Rahm Emanuel, the guy responsible for more Black deaths in the last 5 years than ANY OTHER PERSON IN THIS COUNTRY, lied to the public and withheld the tape until the courts forced its release.  He held the tape in the face of re-election (kinda like Benghazi and blaming a tape)  Then he threw the police chief under the bus for it.

And that's it, one example.  More white people lose their life to violence with police than any other race.  So if you're really looking for racism within the police dept, there it is.  They're racist against whites.

[G-Man]

thanks for the link Britman.

From the link:
"And when NBC Nightly News Anchor Lester Holt asked, "are black lives being cheap a reality or just perception?" Clinton answered: "Sadly, it's reality.""

Reads a lot different than Gman's post of if the police believe something. "Do you believe that police think black lives are cheap?"

OK I'm out this viewpoint thread.

But your quote is slightly out of context. 

 "are black lives being cheap a reality or just perception?" Clinton answered: "Sadly, it's reality."   

Yes, this is the quote, but it doesn't say to whom she BELIEVES black lives are cheap to.  In the context of the topic being addressed, it is law enforcement, that BELIEVES (because she's asked for HER OPINION) discounts black lives.

I guess by your defense of her, you agree???

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http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/20/rahm-emanuel-faces-wrath-chicago-black-community-over-police-violence

[Hooter]

   I think the older cops have a tendency to be more prejudice or raciest than the younger officers. The focus always seems to be black and white but that isn't all of it either. It's all races that are prejudice. I believe that it has to do with the year you were born and the era(s) you were raised in. The younger generations didn't go through the riots like us older folks did. This situation didn't help any race. All it made you do is one of two things. Take sides or stay neutral. I tend to believe that racism is about me or a persons own beliefs. It isn't every white person or every black person that has to be raciest. You make your own choice. Some of this even comes from within the home and it is hard to ignore if it is the negative side of things.  When people figure out that they get what they give things will be better off. Can a presidents color have that much influence on racism? A question for those of you smarter than I am. I don't like Obama! But it has nothing to do with his color, its the choices / decisions he has made or hasn't made that makes me dislike the man.

[Black Pearl's Captain]

It's sad that so many use a "soundbite" as a quote and rile up a crap storm. In this case the actual quote from Lester Holt is lacking without the sentence before the quote.

She was asked in a round about way what black men think not what a police officers think. That is a total 180' from the start of this thread. So G-man like it or not your "quote" is not at all what was asked of Clinton.

I'd link but it has already been linked in the thread and I doubt many take the time to see what really was asked. A short recap would be: Do BLACK MEN think their lives are cheap? Clinton answered yes they do. In no way does that reflect what a police officer thinks.

I'm not pro Hillary so i don't know what I even post. Oh yes I do, too much BS post here just dummies down the entire BBS, and I hated reading what someone wrongly said Hillary said about what cops think.

[G-Man]

Do BLACK MEN think their lives are cheap?

She's saying that Black men feel their lives are cheap............ IN THE EYES OF LAW ENFORCEMENT because her reply is all about policing.

It doesn't say they internally feel their own lives are cheap.

Then she goes on to say that 1 in 3 black men will be imprisoned,............ another outright lie.

But go on, keep defending her.

[Moonshot_1]

It's sad that so many use a "soundbite" as a quote and rile up a crap storm. In this case the actual quote from Lester Holt is lacking without the sentence before the quote.

She was asked in a round about way what black men think not what a police officers think. That is a total 180' from the start of this thread. So G-man like it or not your "quote" is not at all what was asked of Clinton.

I'd link but it has already been linked in the thread and I doubt many take the time to see what really was asked. A short recap would be: Do BLACK MEN think their lives are cheap? Clinton answered yes they do. In no way does that reflect what a police officer thinks.

I'm not pro Hillary so i don't know what I even post. Oh yes I do, too much BS post here just dummies down the entire BBS, and I hated reading what someone wrongly said Hillary said about what cops think.

This is part of the transcript of the debate that features the topic at hand.
From the Washington Post

HOLT:
Secretary Clinton, this is a community that has suffered a lot of heartache in the last year. Of course, as you mentioned, the church shootings. We won't forget the video of Walter Scott being shot in the back while running from police.

We understand that a jury will decide whether that police officer was justified, but it plays straight to the fears of many African American men that their lives are cheap. Is that perception, or in your view, is it reality?

CLINTON: Well, sadly it's reality, and it has been heartbreaking, and incredibly outraging to see the constant stories of young men like Walter Scott, as you said, who have been killed by police officers. Their needs to be a concerted effort to address the systemic racism in our criminal justice system.

And, that requires a very clear, agenda for retraining police officers, looking at ways to end racial profiling, finding more ways to really bring the disparities that stalk our country into high relief.

One out of three African American men may well end up going to prison. That's the statistic. I want people hear to think what we would be doing if it was one out of three white men, and very often, the black men are arrested, convicted and incarcerated ..(applause)....for offensive that do not lead to the same results for white men.

So, we have a very serious problem that we can no longer ignore.


So you are right, the "quote" wasn't what was asked of Clinton but it would seem that it was the "quote" that she answered to. Kind of a dump on Law Enforcement. Nothing about the black on black crime or gang related deaths.

Black men feel their lives are cheap --- retrain law enforcement. That is Mrs. Clinton's view. Law enforcement is the problem.

[Black Pearl's Captain]

Do BLACK MEN think their lives are cheap?

She's saying that Black men feel their lives are cheap............ IN THE EYES OF LAW ENFORCEMENT because her reply is all about policing.

It doesn't say they internally feel their own lives are cheap.

Then she goes on to say that 1 in 3 black men will be imprisoned,............ another outright lie.

But go on, keep defending her.

Exactly, but you originally posted that she said "that police think" big difference. I'm not defending Clinton, my concern was you were adding "police" into her statement.

As far as your new statement, maybe she was getting data from the NAACP site which states "If current trends continue, one in three black males born today can expect to spend time in prison during his lifetime"

http://www.naacp.org/pages/criminal-justice-fact-sheet

I hope the NAACP is wrong on the guess and the trend stops. And again you've misquoted, she said "may well" you said "will". Subtle differences (or errors in quotes) change the statements completely.

[G-Man]

Do BLACK MEN think their lives are cheap?

She's saying that Black men feel their lives are cheap............ IN THE EYES OF LAW ENFORCEMENT because her reply is all about policing.

It doesn't say they internally feel their own lives are cheap.

Then she goes on to say that 1 in 3 black men will be imprisoned,............ another outright lie.

But go on, keep defending her.

Exactly, but you originally posted that she said "that police think" big difference. I'm not defending Clinton, my concern was you were adding "police" into her statement.

As far as your new statement, maybe she was getting data from the NAACP site which states "If current trends continue, one in three black males born today can expect to spend time in prison during his lifetime"

http://www.naacp.org/pages/criminal-justice-fact-sheet

I hope the NAACP is wrong on the guess and the trend stops. And again you've misquoted, she said "may well" you said "will". Subtle differences (or errors in quotes) change the statements completely.

[G-Man]

Do BLACK MEN think their lives are cheap?

She's saying that Black men feel their lives are cheap............ IN THE EYES OF LAW ENFORCEMENT because her reply is all about policing.

It doesn't say they internally feel their own lives are cheap.

Then she goes on to say that 1 in 3 black men will be imprisoned,............ another outright lie.

But go on, keep defending her.

Exactly, but you originally posted that she said "that police think" big difference. I'm not defending Clinton, my concern was you were adding "police" into her statement.

As far as your new statement, maybe she was getting data from the NAACP site which states "If current trends continue, one in three black males born today can expect to spend time in prison during his lifetime"

http://www.naacp.org/pages/criminal-justice-fact-sheet

I hope the NAACP is wrong on the guess and the trend stops. And again you've misquoted, she said "may well" you said "will". Subtle differences (or errors in quotes) change the statements completely.

From the transcript:

Clinton:

Well, sadly it's reality, and it has been heartbreaking, and incredibly outraging to see the constant stories of young men like Walter Scott, as you said, who have been killed by police officers. Their needs to be a concerted effort to address the systemic racism in our criminal justice system.
 
And, that requires a very clear, agenda for retraining police officers, looking at ways to end racial profiling, finding more ways to really bring the disparities that stalk our country into high relief.
 
One out of three African American men may well end up going to prison. That's the statistic. I want people hear to think what we would be doing if it was one out of three white men, and very often, the black men are arrested, convicted and incarcerated ...
 
(APPLAUSE)
 
...for offensive that do not lead to the same results for white men.
 
So, we have a very serious problem that we can no longer ignore.


She is confirming the statement that Black Men Think Their Lives Are Cheap.  We both agree on this.  Yes, I added a word (that she added later)  but the word was the context of the topic.  The topic wasn't that black men devalue (same as cheap) their own lives.  The topic was whether black men feel law enforcement devalues their lives, and Clinton agreed with this.  There is NO other way to interpret this other than Clinton believes that law enforcement devalues the lives of black men.  She's the one who added to her confirmation about "constant stories of......killed by police"  Her own words. 

How much different is this from :  "Do you believe that police think black lives are cheap?"  my original statement.  I see no difference, and I stand by it completely. 


As for the 1 in 3 thing...........  She first says 'may well", but then goes on to say "That's the statistic" and then uses the statistic to make a point (based on the fake "statistic").   Even if she got if from the NAACP, it is a guess as to what the future holds.  Is that something she should be quoting as a statistic in a presidential debate??  (and that goes for both sides quoting BS stats or facts)

You say you are not defending her, but your posts say different.

I respectfully give you the last word.   

[The emperor has no clothes]

G-Man, I say it's a pretty big stretch to say he is defending her. 

[Jess from VA]

THIS coming from a woman who is well known and (in)famous for mistreating, abusing, scorning, insulting and being an all around bitch to her own Secret Service security detail.  It has repeatedly been reported that being assigned to her detail is considered a punishment tour. 

When my wife was assigned to augment then-Sec of Energy Bill Richardson's FPS security detail (only in and around HQ DOE Forrestal Bldg), I told her if some mad dog with a gun got past door/gate security, she should trip/throw the fat man down, lay down behind him, and shoot from cover.

[G-Man]

G-Man, I say it's a pretty big stretch to say he is defending her. 

OK, sorry.

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

   Our black community here has no problem with LE. I took a complaint in what we call the "hood" before the first of the year. (The hood is an 8 block area predominately black) This is what they call it when talking with us and vise versa,  so it isn't a slanderous statement. A young black kid had been in some minor mischief, and I was just taking him home to the parents. With him in tow I got to the house and knocked on the door. He said: "you don't have to do that I live here". I told him: "I didn't and that's why I knocked".

  I was met at the door by his mother. These are some of nicest people in my town. The family is as respectable as any other. She invited me in and immediately sent her son to the dining room without question and where supper had just begun. James reply to his mother was: "yes maam".

   Before any conversation began about her son she said to me: "we have just started our meal and you will join us". Without a breath she yelled into the dining room to her daughter: "Kelly, set a place for Mr. Bruce (thats my first name) , he will be joining us for supper". You don't turn miss Maymie down! The meal was great with no discussion of what had happened just small talk about my job.

   As soon as the meal was finished the table was cleared by her kids and we retreated to the living room, with James her son. About that time dad arrived home from work for a lunch break. This man is a monster and I have known him for years.  James Sr. came into the living room and said: "Hello  Mr. Bruce what is the trouble"?

   "Well, seems James socked a kid in the eye after the kid called him the "N" word. James told the kid he wasn't a "N" he was a person. The kid persisted some and James lit him up. The father looked at James and said: "is this the way it went James"? James reply was: "yes SIR" in a very respectful manor, along with I'm sorry father. (witnesses told the same story)

   After the reply James Sr. sent James to  his room. James Sr:..."What do you propose Mr. Bruce"? "No charges are going to be pressed. I think that James should stay away from the kid for a while". I have spoken with the other kids father and he is going to take care of the issue with him. James should have walked away, but I understand his actions. James Sr.:" We don't encourage fighting at all but I understand as well". " I shall take care of James". I said: don't be too hard on the kid this was hard for him to ignore".

   I live and work in a somewhat smaller community where we interact with everyone in every neighborhood. We are a proactive department and stop just to shoot the bull with everyone. I even play basket ball up in the hood, working or not.  We are respected there and treated very well even with all the crap that has happened in this country lately. I've sat on the hood of my cruiser and talked about all this crap with these guys for hours.  In order to get that respect we treat these people no different than anyone else in the city, white, black, purple.  I don't think this interaction can happen in a large community? Maybe I"m wrong? I don't think that this relationship can be destroyed by the Hildabeast or anyone else. As long as we stay honest and up front. This story means nothing to nobody but me. But, I enjoy these people and what we have.

Well lived and well said. This is how it should always be.