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wanna bet the range of miles on the batteries is no more than 20-30 miles tops - woopie do.
Pretty much all cycles/scooters made in china are not made to last and have issues the first 1-2 years speaking from others local experience with 3 guys all buying fairly new 50 to 150cc gas scooters all china made under 1 grand brand new and one small headache after another.
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Back in the late 90's and early 2000's I drove a bunch at night. Always tuned into Coast to Coast AM at the midnight hour. Art Bell would have on a couple guests that talked about peak oil and the doomsday to come. At this time we would be paying over 10 dollars a gallon and rationing would be the norm. Then when George Noory took over he had on guests that talked about Abiotic Oil and how the earth was full of it and it was self renewing. Now I am not sure which is true but yesterday a barrel hit below 27 dollars lowest since 2003. Chuck |
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« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2016, 03:58:21 AM » |
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more... Specific examples to support the abiotic theory have been cited over the years. Each example has been dismissed by the Western establishment as specious while it has been hailed by proponents as convincing. This is always so when a deeply entrenched belief and massive money flows encounter a subversive idea that profoundly threatens the prevailing order. The debate is becoming increasingly shrill as the two diametrically opposed views of Peak Oil and Abiogenic(Superabundant) Oil collide in a clash not only of science but, far more importantly, of money and ideology. http://seekingalpha.com/instablog/400230-vinod-dar/47079-abiotic-oil-and-gas-a-theory-that-refuses-to-vanishoil investment experts, financial experts, and others have written oil and its price will always be about political control. |
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I have two separate questions, first I don't know if I am seen only half of the information or not. But I see kind of a trend, and that is when American people or even Offshore people infringe on a persons accomplishments, they end up in court. Now when, Chinese companied basically steals anyone and everyone's accomplishment, its like Oh well!! Lets move on, and it is in plain sight. Now when the Japanese industrial revolution happened in the US, people where really pissed off. But the Japanese offered us true quality. Now from what I have been seeing and even my experiences Chinese industry give us crap and even unhealthy products. And again the consensus is Oh Well!! lets move on. I don't get how they seem to get away with it or am I really missing something.
The second Question concerning oil extraction. I live in the Detroit Metro Area! And in several occasions in different, populated townships and cities, they decided to want to start drilling in almost in subdivisions. "Oh, it is going to go on behind those trees so you won't see them" Are you kidding me!! There is another battle in Southfield MI about drilling for oil, makes as much sense as drilling in the middle of Time Square. Just don't see the rational thinking, when there is a bunch of open land, that industry wants to drill in the middle of our neighborhoods.
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"The Japanese offered us true quality" Hmm... Not always, remember the Datsun B210 ? There were some pretty suspect Japanese vehicles . Granted they are all pretty good now, but they didn't start out that way.
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I don't know if I am seen only half of the information or not. But I see kind of a trend, and that is when American people or even Offshore people infringe on a persons accomplishments, they end up in court. Now when, Chinese companied basically steals anyone and everyone's accomplishment, its like Oh well!! Lets move on, and it is in plain sight. Now when the Japanese industrial revolution happened in the US, people where really pissed off. But the Japanese offered us true quality. Now from what I have been seeing and even my experiences Chinese industry give us crap and even unhealthy products. And again the consensus is Oh Well!! lets move on. I don't get how they seem to get away with it or am I really missing something.
We owe China money and still borrowing more all the time. Do you really think anybody in our Gov would complain too harshly about the Chinese doing anything wrong? When we can no longer pay even the interest on whats been borrowed I suspect the Chinese will do just what a bank would do if you quit paying on your mortgage...get off our property! |
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« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2016, 04:24:02 PM » |
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I think Japanese quality today is probably as good as any country in the world. That has not always been the case. Soon after WWII, Japan manufactured mostly junk. They used mostly the spoils of war for material, it's all they had available. Toys was a leading export. During that period, late forties, early fifties and on into the sixties, to say something was "Made in Japan" was the ultimate quality putdown and was tantamount to calling it junk. I suspect China will follow the same evolution as far as manufacturing quality is concerned. The Asians take a backseat to no one in science and innovation. Sony electronics as I remember was one of Japan's earliest quality leaders along with all Honda products. Photographic equipment was and is another Japanese quality leader.  |
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« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2016, 03:59:38 AM » |
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I suspect China will follow the same evolution as far as manufacturing quality is concerned.
They already make tons of the best hi-tech stuff... computers, phones, teevees, all that kind of stuff.
You know all that Chinese-cr*p down at Harbor Freight? Some of it is even pretty good now.
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« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2016, 04:07:55 AM » |
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"The Japanese offered us true quality" Hmm... Not always, remember the Datsun B210 ? There were some pretty suspect Japanese vehicles . Granted they are all pretty good now, but they didn't start out that way.
They made those from 1973–1977... my sister had a Datsun in that time frame, I think it was a B210... I remember we went to the beach (200 miles across the state) and during the trip the steering wheel got a lot of slop in it... she had to turn it an eighth of a turn (or there abouts) in either direction to get it to start turning... I thought it was kind of scary, she seemed unconcerned... -Mike |
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« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2016, 04:43:13 AM » |
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"The Japanese offered us true quality" Hmm... Not always, remember the Datsun B210 ? There were some pretty suspect Japanese vehicles . Granted they are all pretty good now, but they didn't start out that way.
They made those from 1973–1977... my sister had a Datsun in that time frame, I think it was a B210... I remember we went to the beach (200 miles across the state) and during the trip the steering wheel got a lot of slop in it... she had to turn it an eighth of a turn (or there abouts) in either direction to get it to start turning... I thought it was kind of scary, she seemed unconcerned... -Mike You can't blame anyone about anything, if you don't maintain the product, I know things wear, but not in 200 miles. When people don't take care of their stuff, you can't blame the manufacture. I agree not everything was good from Japan, But when they wised up, that was a different story. Look know one is 100%, OK! Japan had their sight s on competing with US , and seemed to refined what we created and pushed for quality, auto electronics and so on. China, I don't feel they will have the same intentions at all. Japan may have had their line of crap, but they never tried to poison us with their products, with an, Oh Well ! attitude. I use HarborFreight because they are disposable tools, it is cheaper to buy HF tool and beat it, than replace my good tools. I don't know where you buy your stuff, but I do the research first, before I buy. Japan and S.Korea has come a long way in the market place, but the US never let them get away with stuff, like china had. So based on one of the early replies about loans, China owns our ass!!! Thank BO for that! |
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« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2016, 06:42:16 AM » |
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"The Japanese offered us true quality" Hmm... Not always, remember the Datsun B210 ? There were some pretty suspect Japanese vehicles . Granted they are all pretty good now, but they didn't start out that way.
They made those from 1973–1977... my sister had a Datsun in that time frame, I think it was a B210... I remember we went to the beach (200 miles across the state) and during the trip the steering wheel got a lot of slop in it... she had to turn it an eighth of a turn (or there abouts) in either direction to get it to start turning... I thought it was kind of scary, she seemed unconcerned... -Mike You sure don't see many on the road anymore. But to the Japanese credit they wised up pretty quick and started putting out some good stuff. |
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If not mistaken, I was told by the traffic relations dept. in a meeting where I work about 5-6 years ago where over 90% of our Non Food merchandise being made in China having still dirt floors in their mfg. facilities. This is SLOWLY changing and now no longer dirt floors (like sweatshops). This was also the time we were still receiving Non Food purchase orders all written with squibbly chinese language lines, NO english. How can you read purchase orders in chinese here in America? Luckily, that no longer happens since our company finally stepped up and went to these mfgs. and told them we need it done differently or NO longer will do business with them being a major mfg. food/non food retail catalog company.
Nowadays, I hear is much more stricter standards in terms of our suppliers overseas as it should be if they want to still do business with American companies. Things will come around and NOT all Chinese made products are bad or cheaply made now. I know the main reason we mfg. most of our products overseas is cheap labor and profit, but sooner or later more and more Chinese made products will become VERY good, dare I say Japanese quality, but will take decades to get that done more and more so.
When that happens, LOOK OUT America, we are in bigger trouble economy wise than we are now.
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« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2016, 06:52:18 AM » |
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But to the Japanese credit they wised up pretty quick and started putting out some good stuff. They'll never be able to make good motorcycles, though  -Mike
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But to the Japanese credit they wised up pretty quick and started putting out some good stuff. They'll never be able to make good motorcycles, though -Mike  You know I don't remember any bad bikes out of Japan. I started riding in 72 and thrashed them pretty good. They always held up pretty good. |
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« Reply #16 on: January 22, 2016, 07:05:34 AM » |
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But to the Japanese credit they wised up pretty quick and started putting out some good stuff. They'll never be able to make good motorcycles, though -Mike I have to disagree. If or when they decide to expand their marketing efforts into the US and other countries where they have to compete with "quality" motorcycles or any other product, they will improve the quality of their products to include motorcycles. Cheap pricing only works for so long. Considering the masses or workforce available in China and India, I have no doubt they will eventually produce a significant amount of the world's products. Some will be of quality, some will not. Those products that are poor quality will not do well with quality concerned customers and therefore will fall out of the market. Even in China, quality and capitalism will drive their economy and their marketing/production decisions. Which will effect what they export. |
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« Reply #17 on: January 22, 2016, 07:09:35 AM » |
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But to the Japanese credit they wised up pretty quick and started putting out some good stuff. They'll never be able to make good motorcycles, though -Mike You know I don't remember any bad bikes out of Japan. I started riding in 72 and thrashed them pretty good. They always held up pretty good. I started riding in 72 as well... my first bike was a Yamaha LT2 100 Enduro... Japanese "dirt bikes" then had lousy suspension and flexy frames, but were real durable. I had to stop riding after High School, until I got a real job... when I started riding again in 82, I got a Honda CR250... a real good dirt bike, and within a few years they were unquestionably the best... -Mike |
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« Reply #18 on: January 22, 2016, 07:54:31 AM » |
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We can't predict the future, but the one thing you can bet on is, its always about more money, not ones wellbeing. About a month ago on the News they showed some footage of present view of Beijing and it was like a bad fog day. The problem was, it was not fog, it was smog in the air and many people walking through it, some with masks. Now if their industry don't have respect for their own people, you think they will have concern of our health and wellbeing. I have had many purchases with Chinese companies, 75% of them had issues with delivery and product. If it would happen once or twice, OK, no problem. You may ask why do I go back, I don't, in many cases it is Chinese companies posing as American companies, and don't know till I get delivery or product. I contact them of issue, but always get a "Sorry" from China, but the problem stays the same, that is why I try and buy American. I am just trying to show my experience with them, is not a one or two bases, and their apparent attitude with US or even the world.
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« Reply #19 on: January 22, 2016, 08:00:37 AM » |
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But to the Japanese credit they wised up pretty quick and started putting out some good stuff. They'll never be able to make good motorcycles, though -Mike You know I don't remember any bad bikes out of Japan. I started riding in 72 and thrashed them pretty good. They always held up pretty good. I started riding in 72 as well... my first bike was a Yamaha LT2 100 Enduro... Japanese "dirt bikes" then had lousy suspension and flexy frames, but were real durable. I had to stop riding after High School, until I got a real job... when I started riding again in 82, I got a Honda CR250... a real good dirt bike, and within a few years they were unquestionably the best... -Mike I also had a CR250, but mine was a 77 or 78. It was the first year of the increased suspension. I got pretty good with that bike. |
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We can't predict the future, Really?!? What exactly is it you think " Predict" means? You went over my head, I don't understand what you mean. |
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We can't predict the future, Really?!? What exactly is it you think " Predict" means? You went over my head, I don't understand what you mean.  I think what MCG is saying is to predict means to guess what happens in the FUTURE. |
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Still went over my head, is there something wrong, with the beginning of that sentence?
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« Reply #24 on: January 22, 2016, 09:10:45 AM » |
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We can't predict the future, Really?!? What exactly is it you think " Predict" means? You went over my head, I don't understand what you mean. That was predictable. Good catch, Gig. dmaker, for the statement to be true you were missing a very important adverb. Anyone can predict. Only those who know can predict accurately. |
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I guess I am a little confused here, maybe blood sugar must be low, I thank you for your correction. But are you guys saying you didn't understand my point of the subject, due to my error of predict?
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I guess I am a little confused here, maybe blood sugar must be low, I thank you for your correction. But are you guys saying you didn't understand my point, due to my error of predict?
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I guess I am a little confused here, maybe blood sugar must be low, I thank you for your correction. But are you guys saying you didn't understand my point, due to my error of predict?
Willow, you are up to bat. Well, he asked. I'm the wrong person to ask if one doesn't want to hear the answer. I understood perfectly the point dm was trying to make. I don't necessarily agree with it or think he understands much about life. Error in the use of predict? It's common and not unique to dm but he keeps enough babble wrapped around what he attempts to communicate that it is demotivating to dig through and attempt to translate it. It's about the money? Isn't every profit making business in business to make money? Isn't that why most of us go to work each week? There are exceptions, organizations that are nonprofit and driven to address someone's welfare, but aren't even they only successful when they can inspire enough people to provide enough money to do what they do without bankrupting themselves? It's a lot like making money, isn't it? The Chinese do what they do because it provides a profit for them. It provides a profit for them because people are buying what they're selling. Some domestic companies are struggling and failing because people, the market, is not buying what they're selling. Is the issue the Chinese or is it the buying (American) public? Why does the public continue buying what the Chinese are selling? It seems to be about the best price for what they are going to buy. It seems to be about the money, doesn't it? I guess the blame is not all, or even most, on big corporations, China, or the rich and getting richer fat cats. To borrow a phrase from a sketched philosopher long, long ago, we have met the enemy and he is us. Choose what you choose to choose. Live your life as you decide to live it. Stop pointing elsewhere for the problems that you have brought and continue to bring upon yourselves. By the way, I can predict the future. In some cases I can accurately predict the future. It's not really nearly as difficult as you might think.  |
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You dug through and translated pretty well for no motivation. (A hell of a lot better than I would) I AM THE FUTURE |
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I thank you for your input, and setting me straight. You are right; I do have difficulty trying to express myself and make my point. I am just a hands on kind of a guy, that is all. As I explained before, I am not a literary, prissy type of person, and I apologize for that, guess I should have paid more attention in class. I try to help and give my view point the best way I can, if it offends you, again I apologize. I was under the impression of share and care.
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I thank you for your input, and setting me straight. You are right; I do have difficulty trying to express myself and make my point. I am just a hands on kind of a guy, that is all. As I explained before, I am not a literary, prissy type of person, and I apologize for that, guess I should have paid more attention in class. I try to help and give my view point the best way I can, if it offends you, again I apologize. I was under the impression of share and care.
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« Reply #31 on: January 22, 2016, 02:04:19 PM » |
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I AM THE FUTURE Please reshuffel that deck and deal a new hand. |
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I AM THE FUTURE Please redeal that deck. Too late. you done got your cards. |
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I thank you for your input, and setting me straight. You are right; I do have difficulty trying to express myself and make my point. I am just a hands on kind of a guy, that is all. As I explained before, I am not a literary, prissy type of person, and I apologize for that, guess I should have paid more attention in class. I try to help and give my view point the best way I can, if it offends you, again I apologize. I was under the impression of share and care.
Willow, did he just call you prissy ? I think he did. My adherence to the Rules of the Road may prohibit an appropriate response. A reference comes to mind about damaging one's credibility. I have some trouble over the past couple of years in a couple of categories. One that I'm a bit more open and honest than much of our culture are ready to accept. Some level of pretense and deceit, it seems, is expected as we interact. The other issue is that have have a tendency to lose patience with people who are either pushing falsity or full of themselves. I'm not prissy and honestly I can't remember the last time someone actually said that to me with a straight face. |
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Maybe not TO your face, but behind your back?? It's prissy Willow this, and prissy Willow that, and do you believe what that prissy Willow posted?? ^^^^Of course all of my comments above are purely fictional and for entertainment purposes only. I hope they have served that purpose. they did |
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