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I'm not a fan of his at all at this point... If he becomes the Republican nominee I'd vote for him just to stop Crazy Commie Sanders or Hillary, but Trump is FAR from my first choice...
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It'll be interesting to see how this works out. I'm liking him less as time goes on and he certainly doesn't like Ms Kelly. I think its a mistake to not participate.
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I'm not a fan of his at all at this point... If he becomes the Republican nominee I'd vote for him just to stop Crazy Commie Sanders or Hillary, but Trump is FAR from my first choice...
Exactly my take. I want Cruz, but I'll take anybody but the communists. It's certainly a mistake for him to act like a king before the coronation. (or a spoiled child) But he is starting to remind me of a Teflon Don. Bombast seems to be working for him, but a little humility (in public) would do him some good.... with everyone. |
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I knew this was going to happen when they announced the moderators. Kelly hates Trump and made it plain in her questioning in the first debate with some ridiculous questions. I know for a fact her purpose was to take him out - I know not why but it was obvious. News came out this would be the end of Trump and Frank Luntz's focus group said as much. Trump's numbers go up to where 65 percent of Republicans expect him to win now.
Fox has many people that could conduct that debate and I was surprised when they announced the same people, as they did not do near as good a job as the Fox Business network did. Kelly, Bair, and Wallace are to full of themselves and Trump well he is also. Doubt it will hurt him much. I think he will do something else and donate a bunch of money to the Wounded Warrior Project.
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I wish Tony Snow was still alive for this election. He was an excellent news person. He would have brought some outstanding ability as a moderator for Fox in their debates.
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My take on this is Trump saying I know you're out to destroy me and I am not going to be your patsy. The idea that he is afraid of Kelly is ridiculous. I like Cruz but he is really pushing the idea that Trump is afraid of Kelly and that turns me off on Cruz. As for Kelly, I never watch her show. To me, she is an arrogant, egotistical, person who thinks she is the greatest thing since electricity. Fox needs Trump for ratings, Trump does not need Fox. Whether Trump wins or loses will not be decided by his skipping this bias debate.
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My take on this is Trump saying I know you're out to destroy me and I am not going to be your patsy.
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Maybe this is the exact reason we should like him he doesn't have to play to people like politicians. He has choices and does not have to worry about offending or playing up to anyone like Megan. We have said we are sick and tired of Political correctness maybe this is just one case of not cowering to every whim. Maybe he is not a media whore as we know some of the politicians are, speaking of great ideas to the media and later people finding out the promises are a paper tiger.
He has a back bone people, he is a deal maker and business man and is used to going head to head with greater than Kelly. The important thing that has gripped the nation is how will he keep the promise and does he have what it takes to make America Great Again? Achieving this has not really been seen in our lifetime, and may look different than what we are used to, especially with the slime and vermin that are in media and government today.
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To me, it shows how little stock he puts in debates, Fox, and Kelly. I have never put much stock in the debates myself.
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Kelly hates Trump and made it plain in her questioning in the first debate with some ridiculous questions. I know for a fact her purpose was to take him out I don't understand this, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC hate conservatives, but that doesn't stop them from going on and answering their questions, even if they're tough or unfair question. I just don't understand this move by Trump, I've just lost some respect for him. |
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Maybe this is the exact reason we should like him he doesn't have to play to people like politicians. He has choices and does not have to worry about offending or playing up to anyone like Megan. We have said we are sick and tired of Political correctness maybe this is just one case of not cowering to every whim. Maybe he is not a media whore as we know some of the politicians are, speaking of great ideas to the media and later people finding out the promises are a paper tiger.
He has a back bone people, he is a deal maker and business man and is used to going head to head with greater than Kelly. The important thing that has gripped the nation is how will he keep the promise and does he have what it takes to make America Great Again? Achieving this has not really been seen in our lifetime, and may look different than what we are used to, especially with the slime and vermin that are in media and government today.
While he does "march to the beat of his own drum", characterizing him as not being a media whore is laughable. He Tweets, he Instagrams, he uses every single media outlet, including social media, to share his views with the electorate. Kelly turned his own words on him in August and he was unable to deal with it. Don't get me wrong. His political incorrectness is fresh and a new paradigm injected into political campaigns. I like a lot of what he says no matter how politically naive it may be. And being the consummate business man and deal maker he is, he is not going to "put all his cards on the table" with regards to foreign policy, etc. until he determines it's the right time to do so. He is clearly becoming more and more savvy to the process as his campaign moves forward. Surely there is no denying that he resonates with so many of us that are numbed to the drone of politics as usual. But in this case, I suspect it's all about thinking he can bully the media into him having his way. After all, he did not become the astute businessman he is by not getting what he wants. |
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He doesnt like Kelly because she put him on notice in their first meeting that she will look past his BS and ask him about what he has done VS what he is saying now, not accept everything on face value. From what I have heard of her, no one likes to be across from her, friend or foe, because its a knife fight and she is good with a blade. She was a working lawyer for quite a while and I believe she is published.
It doesnt show much ability to deal with people who you cant buy or order because they dont work for you and are not so impressed with you that he wont go into the debate because someone doesnt fawn over him. If the dictator of lower Bumfikia tells him no if he is pres. what will he do? Go away? Hide? Get on TV and call him names?
The other possibility is that Cruz might be closer in his internal polling than we see. Its getting closer and the hype and bombast is starting to mean less and you need a good answer, not a quip or a slander. Cruz is a natural debater who has answers for the questions. Trump might be better off using the old axiom that it is better to be thought the fool than to open your mouth and prove it.
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These are all pretty good and interesting and well thought out opinions, and it warms my heart to see us all closely following what is going on, and hoping for the best for our currently mismanaged and abused country and citizens.
Whether this is a decision based narrowly on a personal dislike/feud between Kelly and Trump, or whether Trump (and his advisers) figure that he's consistently running well ahead of everyone else, and is simply more likely to hurt than help himself further by appearing in this particular debate at this time is certainly unclear to me.
I like Kelly a lot, but if she is part of the mainstream Republican movement to dislodge Trump from his leading position, a decision to sidestep her is not necessarily a bad idea (from Trump's point of view). It is a calculated risk, since it seems likely that sitting out a debate will probably result in one or more of his competitors coming up in the polls (for whatever they are worth).
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Kelly hates Trump and made it plain in her questioning in the first debate with some ridiculous questions. I know for a fact her purpose was to take him out I don't understand this, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC hate conservatives, but that doesn't stop them from going on and answering their questions, even if they're tough or unfair question. I just don't understand this move by Trump, I've just lost some respect for him. I was tipped off before hand that Fox was laying a trap for him and they wanted to take him out. The source did not say who the person would be, but it became quite apparent very quickly it was barbie doll Kelly. The others hit hard also and wanted to force arguments on stage. While there are some true conservatives at FOX, they are basically an establishment Republican Network. They bring on these nicely tailored opinion writers from National Review, you know the Bill Crystal, Steve Hays, George Will types that have hunkered down in bed with the Country Club Republican deal makers for years, that could give a rats ass about getting real needed reform done as long as they can draw those 6 and 7 figure checks no matter who is in office. These folks do not get out in the real world to find out what base conservatives like myself and many fine riders on this website really think and how we are scared to death for the future of our children and grandchildren. Oh and that source that tipped me off was the best known conservative in the country. Chuck |
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While there are some true conservatives at FOX, they are basically an establishment Republican Network. They bring on these nicely tailored opinion writers from National Review, you know the Bill Crystal, Steve Hays, George Will types that have hunkered down in bed with the Country Club
Republican deal makers for years, that could give a rats ass about getting real needed reform done as long as they can draw those 6 and 7 figure checks no matter who is in office. These folks do not get out in the real world to find out what base conservatives like myself and many fine riders on this website really think and how we are scared to death for the future of our children and grandchildren.
Oh and that source that tipped me off was the best known conservative in the country.
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I generally refuse to get dragged into discussions with Trump supporters since beating my head against a brick wall seems a useless pursuit. Ask your National Conservative radio host why Bob Dole, an ultimate Republican insider, is endorsing "the Donald"? Could it be Trump will make deals to their advantage while other top tier candidates will actually stand up to the status quo? And if the man can't take the pressure of a single network that might have an agenda, how will he fair when the entire Democratic machine starts to crank it up against him? I give "the Donald" credit, he has manipulated the media to his advantage very well up to now. I wonder how long that will last if he were to become the Republican nominee? If Trump becomes the Republican nominee, the socialists have won. I know I will be looking at the best write-in candidate. I don't believe a candidate with a 45% negative rating with the general electorate has a chance, even Hillary has better numbers than that and the scary part...Bernie is the only candidate in the black. |
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Donald Trump is not my favorite candidate by a long shot. But, I think not debating for his stated reasons is one heck of an idea and won't hurt his chances one iota.
Those already in his corner don't care and this way, he doesn't get nailed by the hosts or the other candidates and gets to respond to any thing asked or accusations after some time to think (and get advice from his staff) after the debate. He gets to do this while he says that he wasn't afraid of the narrators or network but, simply wasn't willing to put up with crap they would bring. Personally, I think it's a brilliant move. As I said, Trump is not my favorite candidate but, he's the one most likely to beat both the liar and the socialist IMHO.
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Donald Trump is not my favorite candidate by a long shot. But, I think not debating for his stated reasons is one heck of an idea and won't hurt his chances one iota.
Those already in his corner don't care and this way, he doesn't get nailed by the hosts or the other candidates and gets to respond to any thing asked or accusations after some time to think (and get advice from his staff) after the debate. He gets to do this while he says that he wasn't afraid of the narrators or network but, simply wasn't willing to put up with crap they would bring. Personally, I think it's a brilliant move. As I said, Trump is not my favorite candidate but, he's the one most likely to beat both the liar and the socialist IMHO.
Pretty much agree with this assessment of it. It's not like this was to be the only debate they are going to have. They have had many. Given what came about at the last Fox debate it is unlikely they would get past that in this one. Personally I think the play here would be to change the moderators. If they did that I would think Trump would participate as that would re-establish the integrity of the debate as a debate as opposed to a pissin' match. |
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Donald Trump is not my favorite candidate by a long shot. But, I think not debating for his stated reasons is one heck of an idea and won't hurt his chances one iota.
Those already in his corner don't care and this way, he doesn't get nailed by the hosts or the other candidates and gets to respond to any thing asked or accusations after some time to think (and get advice from his staff) after the debate. He gets to do this while he says that he wasn't afraid of the narrators or network but, simply wasn't willing to put up with crap they would bring. Personally, I think it's a brilliant move. As I said, Trump is not my favorite candidate but, he's the one most likely to beat both the liar and the socialist IMHO.
Pretty much agree with this assessment of it. It's not like this was to be the only debate they are going to have. They have had many. Given what came about at the last Fox debate it is unlikely they would get past that in this one. Personally I think the play here would be to change the moderators. If they did that I would think Trump would participate as that would re-establish the integrity of the debate as a debate as opposed to a pissin' match. Megyn Kelly asked him a question about things he had said about women. Why should they change moderators ? |
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Donald Trump is not my favorite candidate by a long shot. But, I think not debating for his stated reasons is one heck of an idea and won't hurt his chances one iota.
Those already in his corner don't care and this way, he doesn't get nailed by the hosts or the other candidates and gets to respond to any thing asked or accusations after some time to think (and get advice from his staff) after the debate. He gets to do this while he says that he wasn't afraid of the narrators or network but, simply wasn't willing to put up with crap they would bring. Personally, I think it's a brilliant move. As I said, Trump is not my favorite candidate but, he's the one most likely to beat both the liar and the socialist IMHO.
Pretty much agree with this assessment of it. It's not like this was to be the only debate they are going to have. They have had many. Given what came about at the last Fox debate it is unlikely they would get past that in this one. Personally I think the play here would be to change the moderators. If they did that I would think Trump would participate as that would re-establish the integrity of the debate as a debate as opposed to a pissin' match. Megyn Kelly asked him a question about things he had said about women. Why should they change moderators ? "They" don't have to or need to, The Donald has already won this battle to most folks who support him and those that don't are NOT a big deal to him. The only people he is interested in are those who will vote Republican and who are undecided. People (most) either love or hate him. Most Conservatives are not real keen on Fox News anyway so, whether or not they change moderators doesn't matter. If they change, Trump wins, if they don't, Trump wins. Fox should have been smarter about this. Again, let me repeat, Trump is not my favorite candidate. |
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Megyn Kelly asked him a question about things he had said about women. Why should they change moderators ?
Because it wasn't just a simple question about his stand on issues or policies, it was a gotcha question. Sorta like asking do you still beat your wife meathead? I like Trump...except when he opens his mouth. Any other candidate is a vote for just more of the same old same old politics as usual. I can't stand anymore politics as usual. Besides....sorta like Serk said, I'd vote for Donald Duck as long as it's a vote against the Hildabeast or Bernie the communist. I don't see how they were gotcha questions. They were things he said about women. We are all responsible for what we say and do, even if you are rich. |
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« Reply #37 on: January 27, 2016, 06:47:15 PM » |
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[/quote]Megyn Kelly asked him a question about things he had said about women. Why should they change moderators ?
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The debate is supposed to be between the candidates. In this particular case it has become between one particular candidate and a particular moderator.
Since this is a forum for the candidates it would make sense for the integrity of the debate for the moderator to recuse him or herself from the event.
I would hold this true for any candidate and any moderator where there is less than a civil discourse in a public forum between the two.
Not only would it not be fair for the particular candidate to have to face a biased moderator but it would also be unfair for the other candidate in that the attention they should get and the focus on the issues would be shorted.
In the final analysis, this isn't about Ms. Kelly. It is about a Presidential Primary debate and the integrity of it.
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Mike Luken
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« Reply #38 on: January 27, 2016, 07:01:37 PM » |
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[/quote]I don't see how they were gotcha questions. They were things he said about women. We are all responsible for what we say and do, even if you are rich.
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Yes, they were things Mr. Trump had said.
But she took a bunch of them, strung them all together totally out of any context, claimed it was his "war on Women" and gave him, what, 60 seconds to answer for all of it on the spot?
Don't recall any similar or similarly toned questions to the rest of the group.
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Mike Luken
Cherokee, Ia.
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The emperor has no clothes
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« Reply #39 on: January 28, 2016, 03:57:27 AM » |
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I don't see how they were gotcha questions. They were things he said about women. We are all responsible for what we say and do, even if you are rich. [/quote] Yes, they were things Mr. Trump had said. But she took a bunch of them, strung them all together totally out of any context, claimed it was his "war on Women" and gave him, what, 60 seconds to answer for all of it on the spot? Don't recall any similar or similarly toned questions to the rest of the group. [/quote]There is a reason you don't see those questions asked of the rest of the group. THEY DIDNT SAY THOSE THINGS . HE DID  |
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