JUSTICE!!

[saddlesore]

http://fox6now.com/2016/02/09/violence-or-vigilantism-teen-beaten-stripped-of-his-clothing-after-allegedly-attempting-a-carjacking/

[DirtyDan]

GOOD

im a big Charles Bronson fan

dan

[Gryphon Rider]

One criminal beaten by other criminals. There won't be justice until they are all serving their sentences.

[Serk]

[Gavin_Sons]

Play stupid games win stupid prizes. He deserved the ass whoopin he got. Old enough to know better but still too young to care.

[art]

Don't suppose he will do that again but a non violent car theft I do think this is a little over the line.

[CajunRider]

The average car costs about $30K. 

I'd say they took about $30K out of his ass. 

[old2soon]

MAYBE just MAYBE the beat down ass whuppin MIGHT deter him from a life of crime. NEXT time the intended victim of grand theft auto might decide to shoot first. Unless he had a tat on his forehead proclaiming he was underage HOW was anyone to KNOW he is underage? cursed lucky the folks whoopin on him stopped WHERE they did and didn't break hands-fingers-arms-legs-feet or his head. Common folk MAYBE doin what his folks never done? Kinda like to hear his parent(s) take on this!    RIDE SAFE.

[Skinhead]

Over the top?  If they had stolen the car and wrecked it, then got caught, what then?  The owner needs that car to go to work and earn money to provide for his family.  Is it ok for these thugs to jeopardize his families livelihood?  What is he had no theft insurance?  Even if he did, everyone's rates increase because of these punks.  They need to be punished and not enabled.  If they go to court it's a slap on the wrist, I support the folks that kicked his ass.

[DirtyDan]

Don't suppose he will do that again but a non violent car theft I do think this is a little over the line.

they used to hang horse thieves back in the day

I don't think being NICE has made things BETTER

dan

[old2soon]

Even in this little burg I reside in the head L E O here has told me repeatedly-under the BEST of circumstances-5 to 7 minutes response time. Figure real world 10 minutes. What does this have to do with anything you ask? I don't have the stamina to wail on a teenager with my fists. BUT you TRY to steal from me ALL bets are off! AND there will be NO Marquis de Queensbury rules when I play.  Nuff said.  RIDE SAFE.

[art]

This isn't back in the day. They don't hang people for stealing a car. Now if some mans wife were in it or his baby that's a different story,kill the bastard. I would think the law would have a different opinion on beating a guy almost to death for stealing an empty car. I'm glad he got caught and hopefully learned his lesson.

[Jess from VA]

Justice?

Or revenge?

[The emperor has no clothes]

Justice?

Or revenge?

Exactly. As good as it might feel to beat the living dogshit out of somebody stealing your car doesn't make it just.

[Bighead]

This isn't back in the day. They don't hang people for stealing a car. Now if some mans wife were in it or his baby that's a different story,kill the bastard. I would think the law would have a different opinion on beating a guy almost to death for stealing an empty car. I'm glad he got caught and hopefully learned his lesson.

Art go re-read if you read it the first time " The teen was arrested and had a MINOR injury" where did you come up with almost beaten to death funny how some people look at a picture and make an assumption.

[saddlesore]

 If the justice system in the US worked the kid would not be on the street.  They let him out with a ankle bracelet and he cut it off.
  His street creds  (aka rap sheet) was a mile long.
  Babying criminals and not putting them in prison because there isn't enough money is not going to stop crime.
  After reading the police report it wasn't as bad as the FOX story.

 

[Black Dog]

I live near Milwaukee, and carjackings/thefts are an epidemic here...  It may be an empty car they are taking, but when they get chased by the cops, and crash, or use the stolen car for street racing and crash, they are killing and injuring innocent people...  There are gangs of these punks that have been linked to dozens of these carjackings/thefts, and they are run through the Juvenal system, and put back on the street to do it again, days later...  The police and mayor are on TV every other day, saying they can't keep up, and for the public to be cautious.

The lil' crap got lucky...  He's alive to steal another car next week...

Black Dog

[The emperor has no clothes]

I live near Milwaukee, and carjackings/thefts are an epidemic here...  It may be an empty car they are taking, but when they get chased by the cops, and crash, or use the stolen car for street racing and crash, they are killing and injuring innocent people...  There are gangs of these punks that have been linked to dozens of these carjackings/thefts, and they are run through the Juvenal system, and put back on the street to do it again, days later...  The police and mayor are on TV every other day, saying they can't keep up, and for the public to be cautious.

The lil' crap got lucky...  He's alive to steal another car next week...

Black Dog

Man that would suck !  We have a fair share of tweakers around here but it seems sedate compared to your neck of the woods.

[cookiedough]

I've seen a few ass whuppin videos where some punk at the mall tries to steal women's purses and bought store bags and get their butt whooped.  Well deserved for sure.   Try that on me and best run FAST for that first 30 yards if get caught, you are going DOWN and not easily.   The mall security guards would have to pry me off sitting on top of him/her pounding some sense into them.  I did that once to my best friend in high school playing tennis no less.  He kept throwing temper tantrums loosing all the time and he tossed his racket over the net hitting me first warning him if he did it, I would come over and beat him up.  He did it, hit me hurting,  went over the net and pummelled him bleeding nose and lip and bruised up pretty bad bawling all the way home.  His dad talked to my dad and my dad backed me up 110% telling him his kid started it, mine finished it.   

I will not start a fight ever unless provoked, but once started, game on.   

[art]

This isn't back in the day. They don't hang people for stealing a car. Now if some mans wife were in it or his baby that's a different story,kill the bastard. I would think the law would have a different opinion on beating a guy almost to death for stealing an empty car. I'm glad he got caught and hopefully learned his lesson.

Art go re-read if you read it the first time " The teen was arrested and had a MINOR injury" where did you come up with almost beaten to death funny how some people look at a picture and make an assumption.

Ok he wasn't  almost beaten to death but he sure got his ass kicked and deserved it but there has to be a point where it must stop. The cops are looking for the person that beat him and he may be prosecuted for battery. This wasn't a big Bubba this was a 15 year old boy. Like I said I'll bet he won't do it again and that's good.

[Gavin_Sons]

This isn't back in the day. They don't hang people for stealing a car. Now if some mans wife were in it or his baby that's a different story,kill the bastard. I would think the law would have a different opinion on beating a guy almost to death for stealing an empty car. I'm glad he got caught and hopefully learned his lesson.

Art go re-read if you read it the first time " The teen was arrested and had a MINOR injury" where did you come up with almost beaten to death funny how some people look at a picture and make an assumption.

Ok he wasn't  almost beaten to death but he sure got his ass kicked and deserved it but there has to be a point where it must stop. The cops are looking for the person that beat him and he may be prosecuted for battery. This wasn't a big Bubba this was a 15 year old boy. Like I said I'll bet he won't do it again and that's good.

What do you suggest should happen besides an ass whoopin? Smack him on the hands and say no? Maybe sit down and have a nice talk about right and wrong? Look the other way and let him have what he wants whenever he wants? Try to car jack me and get a bullet wound to the head no matter your age, I will not stop and ask your age. I work and I pay for everything I have and ill be cursed if I let anyone take it from me for free. If he would have been shot and killed maybe his friends would change their ways, but as it sits now I guarantee they all will be back out robbing again. Just look for his name in 3 or 4 years, most likley will be in jail or prison.

[The emperor has no clothes]

This isn't back in the day. They don't hang people for stealing a car. Now if some mans wife were in it or his baby that's a different story,kill the bastard. I would think the law would have a different opinion on beating a guy almost to death for stealing an empty car. I'm glad he got caught and hopefully learned his lesson.

Art go re-read if you read it the first time " The teen was arrested and had a MINOR injury" where did you come up with almost beaten to death funny how some people look at a picture and make an assumption.

Ok he wasn't  almost beaten to death but he sure got his ass kicked and deserved it but there has to be a point where it must stop. The cops are looking for the person that beat him and he may be prosecuted for battery. This wasn't a big Bubba this was a 15 year old boy. Like I said I'll bet he won't do it again and that's good.

What do you suggest should happen besides an ass whoopin? Smack him on the hands and say no? Maybe sit down and have a nice talk about right and wrong? Look the other way and let him have what he wants whenever he wants? Try to car jack me and get a bullet wound to the head no matter your age, I will not stop and ask your age. I work and I pay for everything I have and ill be cursed if I let anyone take it from me for free. If he would have been shot and killed maybe his friends would change their ways, but as it sits now I guarantee they all will be back out robbing again. Just look for his name in 3 or 4 years, most likley will be in jail or prison.

I'm curious where you would draw the line at killing someone for stealing something from you. Would you kill someone for stealing cd's out of your car ? For siphoning gas out of your vehicle ? Is there a limit ?

[Bighead]

This isn't back in the day. They don't hang people for stealing a car. Now if some mans wife were in it or his baby that's a different story,kill the bastard. I would think the law would have a different opinion on beating a guy almost to death for stealing an empty car. I'm glad he got caught and hopefully learned his lesson.

Art go re-read if you read it the first time " The teen was arrested and had a MINOR injury" where did you come up with almost beaten to death funny how some people look at a picture and make an assumption.

Ok he wasn't  almost beaten to death but he sure got his ass kicked and deserved it but there has to be a point where it must stop. The cops are looking for the person that beat him and he may be prosecuted for battery. This wasn't a big Bubba this was a 15 year old boy. Like I said I'll bet he won't do it again and that's good.

The point where it Must stop is with him stopping stealing freakin cars! And yes he has probably already done it again. If he had a couple of long bones broken he might think about it a little bit more before he does it.

[CajunRider]

I'm curious where you would draw the line at killing someone for stealing something from you. Would you kill someone for stealing cd's out of your car ? For siphoning gas out of your vehicle ? Is there a limit ?

To steal from someone (be it worth $100K or $1.00) means you entered that person's property uninvited.  To enter property uninvited, is a DIRECT threat on persons who reside there.

I have talked to people who used to car-jack and rob homes.  They often carried and would also often say they weren't sure what they would have done if someone caught them in the act. 

Now look at yourself, your wife, kids, parents, etc. etc. etc. How much are they worth to you?

Now ask yourself where that "limit" is located. 

[The emperor has no clothes]

I'm curious where you would draw the line at killing someone for stealing something from you. Would you kill someone for stealing cd's out of your car ? For siphoning gas out of your vehicle ? Is there a limit ?

To steal from someone (be it worth $100K or $1.00) means you entered that person's property uninvited.  To enter property uninvited, is a DIRECT threat on persons who reside there.

I have talked to people who used to car-jack and rob homes.  They often carried and would also often say they weren't sure what they would have done if someone caught them in the act. 

Now look at yourself, your wife, kids, parents, etc. etc. etc. How much are they worth to you?

Now ask yourself where that "limit" is located. 

I am in no way minimizing the act of theft. I have had stuff stolen also and it's not a good feeling. My question was about where he would draw the line in killing someone for stealing.

[Gavin_Sons]

I'm curious where you would draw the line at killing someone for stealing something from you. Would you kill someone for stealing cd's out of your car ? For siphoning gas out of your vehicle ? Is there a limit ?

To steal from someone (be it worth $100K or $1.00) means you entered that person's property uninvited.  To enter property uninvited, is a DIRECT threat on persons who reside there.

I have talked to people who used to car-jack and rob homes.  They often carried and would also often say they weren't sure what they would have done if someone caught them in the act. 

Now look at yourself, your wife, kids, parents, etc. etc. etc. How much are they worth to you?

Now ask yourself where that "limit" is located. 

I am in no way minimizing the act of theft. I have had stuff stolen also and it's not a good feeling. My question was about where he would draw the line in killing someone for stealing.

CajunRider is spot on. And also just for the record, if you steal from me there is no line. Thiefs know going into it that there is a chance they will be killed for taking what is not theirs. But that is a chance they are willing to take. How do you know if you catch them they wont just knock you off to get that Marvin Gaye CD? Most of the time just showing a weapon or pointing it at them will stop them in their tracks.

[saddlesore]

 The car jacker has a choice of where to draw the line.  He has stepped over the line when he broke the law. He had time to decide, his victim had no time to decide, his victim only had time to react. No one knows how they will react in any emergency whether it's a robbery, a car accident, a fire or tornado.   
  In a split second will you be reacting or thinking where to draw the line? 

[cookiedough]

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CajunRider is spot on. 
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[Black Dog]

Just read in this mornings Milwaukee Journal/Sentinal, another article about the 'Epidemic' of Carjackings/Thefts...

Between December 1st 2015 and January 31st 2016 there were 1,357 reported Carjackings/Thefts in Milwaukee!!!!

And as I mentioned before, the repeat offenders under the age of 18 is staggering...  Thanks to a Juvi court system that considers a slap on the wrist proper punishment.  After all, they don't know anything different 

Black Dog

[CajunRider]

I am in no way minimizing the act of theft. I have had stuff stolen also and it's not a good feeling. My question was about where he would draw the line in killing someone for stealing.

I'm not talking about a limit in respect to theft.  I'm talking about a limit in respect to threat. 

How many people have been killed because some thief decided they wanted those "Air Jordan" shoes back in the 90's... it may just be a pair of shoes, but the thief has decided those shoes are worth more than your life.

Now imagine your son or daughter is wearing that new Broncos Superbowl Shirt that the thief wants. 

There is no monetary limit for a life.  The limit is how much of a chance you are willing to accept when you are threatened with your life and well being.

[old2soon]

There should be enough PAIN involved so IF there Is a NEXT time the remembrance of the PAIN inflicted before gives the perp a lot of PAUSE.  BUT with the liberal "justice" system prevalent these days! Take Sheriff Joes lead and bring back the road gangs. Work their sorry asses off summer and winter 6 and a half days a week. ONLY 9 hours on Sunday. RIDE SAFE.

[art]

You guys are talking like there were family in the car, not so .Sounds like it was a parked car and two thugs tried to steal it . No ones life was in danger except the perp when a group of men beat him. You cannot justify this kind of beating for trying to steal an empty car. No ones wife or children were in danger just a car. If it was occupied that is different. The owner caught him but a group of men beat him. Believe me if he was in my house or kidnapping my wife or kid he probably would be dead now.

[saddlesore]

I am in no way minimizing the act of theft. I have had stuff stolen also and it's not a good feeling. My question was about where he would draw the line in killing someone for stealing.

I'm not talking about a limit in respect to theft.  I'm talking about a limit in respect to threat. 

How many people have been killed because some thief decided they wanted those "Air Jordan" shoes back in the 90's... it may just be a pair of shoes, but the thief has decided those shoes are worth more than your life.

Now imagine your son or daughter is wearing that new Broncos Superbowl Shirt that the thief wants. 

There is no monetary limit for a life.  The limit is how much of a chance you are willing to accept when you are threatened with your life and well being.

Speaking of "Air Jordans" .........The victim made a u-turn and ran the thug down,
now that's crossing the line.  Somehow I don't feel bad for the thug.

http://fox6now.com/2016/02/12/ny-teen-tries-to-steal-air-jordans-loses-arm-in-craigslist-robbery-gone-wrong

[Bighead]

You guys are talking like there were family in the car, not so .Sounds like it was a parked car and two thugs tried to steal it . No ones life was in danger except the perp when a group of men beat him. You cannot justify this kind of beating for trying to steal an empty car. No ones wife or children were in danger just a car. If it was occupied that is different. The owner caught him but a group of men beat him. Believe me if he was in my house or kidnapping my wife or kid he probably would be dead now.

Why can't it be justified? Thug was taking something that didn't belong to him period. If you. Sat down on a bench and sat a bag with say $10,000 in beside you and someone walks up and picks it up and starts to walk off would you just let him go or try to stop him? I would be willing to bet you would try to stop him. Then a fight would ensue,and if you Beat his ass would that be justified? If not why not just let him take it?

[art]

Sure I would stop him but a separate group beat him and kicked him while on the ground. Where is the justification in that? It's assault and battery. What if he had died? They all would be charged with murder. For an empty car. Don't forget he is a 15 year old boy.

[Gavin_Sons]

Sure I would stop him but a separate group beat him and kicked him while on the ground. Where is the justification in that? It's assault and battery. What if he had died? They all would be charged with murder. For an empty car. Don't forget he is a 15 year old boy.

Why does it have to be the owner of the car that beats his ass? I would hope if one of my neighbors caught someone trying to steal from me they would hand out an ass whoopin. I know 2 of them would. The dumb kid deserved everything he got. Maybe he will think twice about stealing next time.

[RudyF6]

Sure I would stop him but a separate group beat him and kicked him while on the ground. Where is the justification in that? It's assault and battery. What if he had died? They all would be charged with murder. For an empty car. Don't forget he is a 15 year old boy.

Who cares how old he is? That's HIS problem. I have a nephew that was already 6'2" and around 250# at age 15. You'd need a group of adults to beat his ass!

[Skinhead]

Travon Martin was just a cute cuddly 12yo kid (per the media)when he almost killed Zimmerman.  Libs wanted to hang z for defending himself, no interest in preventing similar future occurrences.  In fact the message they sent was steal from and beat whoever you wish.  If your victim fights back, we'll fix his ass!

[Bighead]

Sure I would stop him but a separate group beat him and kicked him while on the ground. Where is the justification in that? It's assault and battery. What if he had died? They all would be charged with murder. For an empty car. Don't forget he is a 15 year old boy.

So tell me what should have happened? To this innocent victim of society with a rap sheet as long as your arm. 15 or 50 the crime is the same and not his first attempt. Tell me how turning him over to the law has worked so far. If they would carry out the justice deserved it may make him think but that do t seem to be happening now does it. But he is only 15 my ASS! I was 15 once and so were you what would have happened if you were caught stealing a car at 15? I would have gotten my ass beaten all right but some strangers wouldn't have had to do it.

[old2soon]

CONSEQUENCES for YOUR ACTIONS. THIS is what I was raised with. I Tried AYTHING my folks heard about it and I/ME/MYSELF suffered the CONSEQUENCES. Ass whippin when I was younger-take my bicycle away-EXCEPT for the paper route-when I was a little older-and walked that paper route a time or three cause I was dense-and after age 16 took my ride away from me. Even though I had a job I was living under Mom and Dads RULES. In the U S Navy there were and are SEVERE CONSEQUENCES for your actions. Some of these youngsters have NEVER had to deal with the CONSEQUENCES of THEIR Actions. This little 15 year old turd ran into some people that gave him a sorely/badly/much NEEDED tune up. Had I not received my "tune up" I could have very easily ended up in and out of Jail the rest of my life. At one time in my life I was headed the wrong way. Course these days the L E Os would have been sued the Police Chief fired the young man shot and killed on an attempted break in and even though the "kids" arrest report is thicker than a Chicago phone book his parents would claim he was a "good kid that was misunderstood"!     Yeah-Right!     RIDE SAFE.