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« on: March 10, 2016, 05:09:15 AM » |
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Mark, (MaDsixgun) on the advice of his attorney, refused to pay for an accident at work, which was not his fault.
The general manager fired him yesterday for that reason.
BTW, Mark had his original thread on this topic purposely pulled by Carl because some here on this board didn't know the full story and thought Mark 'accident prone'. NOT the case.
Mark's attorney will be continuing this case. There might even be a violation of OSHA regs which Mark's attorney is looking at, among other violations of Mark's Rights.
I doubt if Mark will post either here or on a new post but, as his Dad, I'm thoroughly pissed at this little p**** of a general manager.
No answers to this post are expected, I'm just bringing Mark's friends here up to speed. Mark most certainly doesn't need this what with his medical diagnosis right now.
Wayne, Solo1
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« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2016, 05:39:21 AM » |
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While I don't agree with the Gen. Manager's policy or action, I think this move should have been expected. I sincerely hope Mark has already found another opportunity at another dealer or shop. If not, I have no doubt he will soon.
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« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2016, 05:53:15 AM » |
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Yeah, he fully expected it, along with his attorney. He has medical insurance through his wife's employer so that also was taken into account.
As a 30 year master tech, no problem with finding work.
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« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2016, 06:37:30 AM » |
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Your son is a good guy
I wish him the best outcome
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« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2016, 06:47:41 AM » |
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I don't know Mark but I sure wish him well. What I do know is that he came from good stock.
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« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2016, 06:53:19 AM » |
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« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2016, 10:05:53 AM » |
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I remember the original post and agree with your opinion on the general manager. Dumb policy - the good mechanics will be getting out as soon as they find a better place, too. He may be opening the door by standing his ground.
As others have said, any shop would be lucky to have Mark with them. Good luck with his search.
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« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2016, 03:23:54 PM » |
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So sorry to hear about this. Marks a talented guy and I know he will get thru this. He and Twilla will be in my prayers tonight.
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« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2016, 05:39:55 PM » |
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Sorry, Wayne, I believe that his employer is required to have accidental damage insurance, and Mark shouldn't have to pay in lieu of same. Glad he has health insurance via his wife, it will all eventually work out, and hopefully a new job will be the better option.
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« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2016, 06:14:03 PM » |
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For whatever reason, I am sorry this happened to your son. I hope in the end it will be a blessing in disguise.
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« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2016, 06:52:45 PM » |
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It stinks when some idiot lucky to be in a position of power gets a kick out of flaunting said power. Sorry to hear about marks termination but sounds like this is going to be a blessing in disguise. Hoping a new and better job is on the near horizon for mark.
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« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2016, 07:26:31 PM » |
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If pursued legally and in the local spotlight, the firing may do more harm to the stealer than if they would have left your son employed there. Although, am sure looking back, your son after all of this doesn't want to work their any longer anyways.
I had a chance, although never pursued, to get 2 separate car stealers in big trouble if I really wanted to as a customer. One was when our Dodge minivan, next day AFTER the TSB for inspecting steering wheel shaft was inspected at Dodge dealer, the steering wheel fell of TOTALLY while wife was driving (luckily no harm or accident happened). The other was when taking delivery of a new chevy silverado, dealer refused to give me the CUSTOMER $500 incentive rebate even after I gave them the official GM document stating it was customer money to keep, NOT optional. Needless to say after buying a few new cars from them in the past, that was the LAST time I stepped foot in that stealer well over 14 years ago telling them to shove their new pickup upon my NON delivery of it. I could have told stealer to hold off one day while I get it straightened out with corporate Chevy informing them of the stealer refusing corporate rebate incentives NOT theirs to keep.
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« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2016, 07:48:23 PM » |
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Like others here I've been to Mark and Twilas home. There is no doubt that Mark will come out of this with a better job at a GOOD dealership. I just hope the richard head that was his boss gits his cumuppance SOON.  RIDE SAFE. |
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« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2016, 11:20:43 AM » |
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Like others, I read the original post. Not knowing how things are in the US, I know here it is illegal to do what that manager was doing, and I'm glad Mark had the fortitude to follow it up, and not just leaving.
My well wishes and prayers for a good outcome.
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« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2016, 11:28:43 AM » |
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Your son is a good guy
I wish him the best outcome
+1. I wish nothing but the best possible outcome for Mark. It takes a lot to make a stand like he has done! |
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« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2016, 05:29:15 PM » |
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« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2016, 06:07:00 PM » |
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Most us don't live close enough to be able to have an economic impact on this dealer. But I hope you guys will let us know how this eventually ends up.
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« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2016, 09:39:54 PM » |
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I won't bore you guys with all the details. But in a nutshell the meeting I had with my manager a week ago he said that "we' have determined that "you" caused the damage and you have three choices,pay with a check. Let us take it out of your pay or a promissory note. Some choices huh. Anyway my lawyer stated last Monday that I am under no obligation to pay for damage from an accident and by "taking" money out of my check without my consent my manager broke the law. My lawyer also stated to tell them that any further inquiry on this matter should be brought up with my lawyer.
Fast forward to last Wed I was called into his office again. He said I had until end on the day on Friday to give him an answer. I told him I had one for him then. I told him my lawyer has advised me I don't have to pay. Before I could get the other part out he said well then we are terminating your employment here. Ok. I locked up my box changed and walked out. On the way home I called my lawyer and told him. I meet with him on Thursday to see what my options are at this point. Wish me luck....
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« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2016, 09:54:09 PM » |
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I won't bore you guys with all the details. But in a nutshell the meeting I had with my manager a week ago he said that "we' have determined that "you" caused the damage and you have three choices,pay with a check. Let us take it out of your pay or a promissory note. Some choices huh. Anyway my lawyer stated last Monday that I am under no obligation to pay for damage from an accident and by "taking" money out of my check without my consent my manager broke the law. My lawyer also stated to tell them that any further inquiry on this matter should be brought up with my lawyer.
Fast forward to last Wed I was called into his office again. He said I had until end on the day on Friday to give him an answer. I told him I had one for him then. I told him my lawyer has advised me I don't have to pay. Before I could get the other part out he said well then we are terminating your employment here. Ok. I locked up my box changed and walked out. On the way home I called my lawyer and told him. I meet with him on Thursday to see what my options are at this point. Wish me luck....
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« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2016, 12:27:41 PM » |
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Best of luck.
Let the lawyer do all the talkin from here on out.
Get your stuff outta there as soon as possible.
Don't ask how I know, but it involved the owner of a 5 bay shop rolling a former employee's box out and closing the shop for a day. The owner was a great guy, and the former was a dick.
We still hung down the street so he could get his stuff with out missing any of it though.
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« Reply #20 on: March 14, 2016, 12:36:10 PM » |
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I've been watching this story unfold, your doing the right things. Stick to your guns, 6Gun!
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« Reply #21 on: March 14, 2016, 12:47:34 PM » |
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Wish me luck....
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« Reply #22 on: March 14, 2016, 01:00:57 PM » |
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When Mark recorded the conversation between the GM and himself, about the accident, the GM stated that "WE" determined that you (Mark)was at fault.
The GM consulted with no one. He didn't ask the tech who saw it. Since the GM is 5 feet, two inches, I can only assume that he was using the royal "We". I won't go into the little man syndrome.
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« Reply #23 on: March 14, 2016, 07:35:43 PM » |
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Little man syndrome seems to be popular, even here. Good luck Mark. |
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« Reply #24 on: March 15, 2016, 08:34:17 AM » |
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Little man syndrome seems to be popular, even here. Good luck Mark. I hope by "here" you don't mean VRCC leadership! ...or maybe you want to leave that unspecified?  |
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« Reply #25 on: March 15, 2016, 10:29:51 AM » |
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We're still hoping for the best possible outcome for you, Mark. Keep us posted on the stuff you can and may elect to share.
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« Reply #26 on: March 15, 2016, 04:17:40 PM » |
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It's rare to find a man who will stand up for his rights and not waiver or bend when threatened with losing his job over it. That's a man's man.
I admire what you are doing. Good luck, sir!
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