Fairy Tales. Really!

[mike72903]

Curious what our gun toting members think about the NRA's dip into classic literature.  
http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/03/28/happily-ever-after-locked-and-loaded-n-r-a-fairy-tales/?emc=edit_ty_20160329&nl=opinion&nlid=74679715&_r=0
If already discussed I apologise.  My PHd wife who taught graduate level children's lives terature found the whole thing rediculous.  

[Skinhead]

"Unstated is the arms industry’s marketing problem: Gun ownership has been slowly declining in recent decades, even as the guns being sold to the public become more lethal. The N.R.A. needs a new generation of gun enthusiasts, the younger the better."

REALLY????  I've bought 3 in the last few decades (Lost them in the tragic VRCC boating disaster though)  But I don't think gun ownership has been declining, in fact, in my opinion, it has skyrocketed since 2008.  I'm too lazy to look up a source to corroborate that though (where you at SERK?)

[Detn8er]

"Unstated is the arms industry’s marketing problem: Gun ownership has been slowly declining in recent decades, even as the guns being sold to the public become more lethal. The N.R.A. needs a new generation of gun enthusiasts, the younger the better."

REALLY????  I've bought 3 in the last few decades (Lost them in the tragic VRCC boating disaster though)  But I don't think gun ownership has been declining, in fact, in my opinion, it has skyrocketed since 2008.  I'm too lazy to look up a source to corroborate that though (where you at SERK?)

Yep....Horseshit. I stopped reading at the words "Banana Clip". That's all I need to know about the article. 

[Serk]

I'm too lazy to look up a source to corroborate that though (where you at SERK?)

Sorry, was busy cleaning my guns. (Literally, was switching holsters and my carry gun for my EDC setup, decided to go smaller, but that's another story.)

Because of the intentional lack of registration in most free states, it's inherently very difficult to track how many gun owners there are, but if we look at the numbers from one of the most regressive states, Illinois, we see that overall gun ownership, based on FOID cards applied for and issued, is going up. Not number of guns sold, but numbers of individual owners.



Here in The Republic, we just issued our one millionth concealed handgun (Now License to Carry) license. The number of applications has jumped by over 140 percent in just the last few months, with over 136,000 applications from December 2015 through February 2016 alone.

Doesn't look like a decrease to me.

And on a non-statistically significant first hand antecdotal level I know whenever I go to a gun show or gun store, I meet lots of first time buyers from extremely diverse backgrounds.

As far as their "The younger the better" comment, I'm doing my part. My oldest daughter got her first rifle (The top one) when she was 4, and I bought the triplets their rifles by 18 weeks gestation. Took Blake out this weekend in fact for some trigger time, you haven't lived until you've seen the look of utter joy on a 4 year old's face as he's firing his suppressed rifle and watching coke cans explode! (Blake's is the blue one btw, he'd want to make sure you knew that. )

[Skinhead]

Thanks, Dude! 

[Gavin_Sons]

Serk if I'm ever down in Texas we gotta hang out  I like your style.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I'm too lazy to look up a source to corroborate that though (where you at SERK?)

Sorry, was busy cleaning my guns. (Literally, was switching holsters and my carry gun for my EDC setup, decided to go smaller, but that's another story.)

Because of the intentional lack of registration in most free states, it's inherently very difficult to track how many gun owners there are, but if we look at the numbers from one of the most regressive states, Illinois, we see that overall gun ownership, based on FOID cards applied for and issued, is going up. Not number of guns sold, but numbers of individual owners.



Here in The Republic, we just issued our one millionth concealed handgun (Now License to Carry) license. The number of applications has jumped by over 140 percent in just the last few months, with over 136,000 applications from December 2015 through February 2016 alone.

Doesn't look like a decrease to me.

And on a non-statistically significant first hand antecdotal level I know whenever I go to a gun show or gun store, I meet lots of first time buyers from extremely diverse backgrounds.

As far as their "The younger the better" comment, I'm doing my part. My oldest daughter got her first rifle (The top one) when she was 4, and I bought the triplets their rifles by 18 weeks gestation. Took Blake out this weekend in fact for some trigger time, you haven't lived until you've seen the look of utter joy on a 4 year old's face as he's firing his suppressed rifle and watching coke cans explode! (Blake's is the blue one btw, he'd want to make sure you knew that. )

If I was Blake I would love seeing that also. Even at 58 it's cool   On the chart from Illinois, do I understand that on average 9k a year are denied permits and 6k are revoked ? Is there a way of knowing the reasons ?

[Jess from VA]

Gun ownership has been slowly declining in recent decades, even as the guns being sold to the public become more lethal.

Yellow horse sh!t.  Ownership is UP, and the instant background check has been running full tilt for around 8 years.

Guns are not getting more lethal.  They've been lethal for a long time. 

NRA youth gun familiarization (Eddie Eagle) programs are the best in the world, simple and effective.  It is not propaganda (like the linked article), it is not to benefit firearm manufacturers or lobby, it is to save lives and educate.   


Bless you Serkman.   

[Gavin_Sons]

Why not familiarize children about guns through books? Do you guys have a better idea? My children will not need books to know about guns and safety. My oldest (5) could probably teach half the members of this forum a thing or 2 about gun safety. He helps me reload and I'm confident I could let him load 50 rounds for me and I would not have to worry if they were right or not. Gun safety should be taught in every household whether you own guns or not. Kids need to know how dangerous they can be in the wrong hands. Just because your phd in whatever wife doesn't agree with it dosent mean it wont work. The article really was poorly written callimg a standard 30 round magazine a banana clip   there is a big difference between a magazine and a clip. As i stated before, my kids dont need these books because gun safety is taught in my home at a young age. I don't know if I agree with using well known kids books to do this though. Why not get an author and rewrite a new story?

[Gavin_Sons]

Gun ownership has been slowly declining in recent decades, even as the guns being sold to the public become more lethal.

Yellow horse sh!t.  Ownership is UP, and the instant background check has been running full tilt for around 8 years.

Guns are not getting more lethal.  They've been lethal for a long time. 

NRA youth gun familiarization (Eddie Eagle) programs are the best in the world, simple and effective.  It is not propaganda (like the linked article), it is not to benefit firearm manufacturers or lobby, it is to save lives and educate.   


Bless you Serkman.   

When Alex turns 8 I will be taking him to a safety class 

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

ARs with banana clips. I suppose there are a few ARs made for tapered cartridge rounds such as the 7.62 by 39 which would use a "banana" shaped magazine if you will. However, I don't believe the term was used because of the authors amazing in-depth knowledge of the AR platform and all it's arcane variations, I think the term was used because the author had not a clue about firearms in general or the AR platform in particular.

No surprises there, the anti-gunners seem to be proud of their cluelessness. When someone is willfully ignorant, they are going to stay that way in spite of anyone's attempts to educate them.

As a business owner in the firearms industry, I can tell you, firearms ownership does not seem to be declining. It seems to be growing to historic levels at warp speed. And it's doing so across all demographics and age groups. I've had five Ruger LCPs back-ordered from two different distributors since December. All 5 are already spoken for when they get here. And yes, I could get them from gunbroker, but I couldn't sell them at a reasonable price if I did. So my customers and I wait for Ruger's production to catch up with demand. That's not a sign of declining ownership. Neither were the record number of NICS checks in February. Firearms are mainstream again, and America is stronger because of it. 

[Serk]

ARs with banana clips. I suppose there are a few ARs made for tapered cartridge rounds such as the 7.62 by 39 which would use a "banana" shaped magazine if you will.

While I agree I don't think this statement was made by the author out of deep insight but rather out of deep ignorance but... My 13 year old shooting one of my 7.62x39 ARs, just because I'm on a roll and like showing my kiddos off...

[The emperor has no clothes]

ARs with banana clips. I suppose there are a few ARs made for tapered cartridge rounds such as the 7.62 by 39 which would use a "banana" shaped magazine if you will. However, I don't believe the term was used because of the authors amazing in-depth knowledge of the AR platform and all it's arcane variations, I think the term was used because the author had not a clue about firearms in general or the AR platform in particular.

No surprises there, the anti-gunners seem to be proud of their cluelessness. When someone is willfully ignorant, they are going to stay that way in spite of anyone's attempts to educate them.

As a business owner in the firearms industry, I can tell you, firearms ownership does not seem to be declining. It seems to be growing to historic levels at warp speed. And it's doing so across all demographics and age groups. I've had five Ruger LCPs back-ordered from two different distributors since December. All 5 are already spoken for when they get here. And yes, I could get them from gunbroker, but I couldn't sell them at a reasonable price if I did. So my customers and I wait for Ruger's production to catch up with demand. That's not a sign of declining ownership. Neither were the record number of NICS checks in February. Firearms are mainstream again, and America is stronger because of it. 

I waited over 3 months for a glock 42. Got tired of waiting and got an LCP that another shop had in stock. What is your opinion of the LCP ?

[Gavin_Sons]

ARs with banana clips. I suppose there are a few ARs made for tapered cartridge rounds such as the 7.62 by 39 which would use a "banana" shaped magazine if you will. However, I don't believe the term was used because of the authors amazing in-depth knowledge of the AR platform and all it's arcane variations, I think the term was used because the author had not a clue about firearms in general or the AR platform in particular.

No surprises there, the anti-gunners seem to be proud of their cluelessness. When someone is willfully ignorant, they are going to stay that way in spite of anyone's attempts to educate them.

As a business owner in the firearms industry, I can tell you, firearms ownership does not seem to be declining. It seems to be growing to historic levels at warp speed. And it's doing so across all demographics and age groups. I've had five Ruger LCPs back-ordered from two different distributors since December. All 5 are already spoken for when they get here. And yes, I could get them from gunbroker, but I couldn't sell them at a reasonable price if I did. So my customers and I wait for Ruger's production to catch up with demand. That's not a sign of declining ownership. Neither were the record number of NICS checks in February. Firearms are mainstream again, and America is stronger because of it. 

I waited over 3 months for a glock 42. Got tired of waiting and got an LCP that another shop had in stock. What is your opinion of the LCP ?

I got my 42 the week it came avaliable.  Buddy bought one 3 months later off the shelf. My brother jad the LCP but after shooting my glock he traded it in for a 42. He said the glock makes the LCP more like a throw away gun. Wouldnt hold any kind of group, at 7 yards and my glock holds a 3" group at 20. I would spend the extra 100 or so bucks and get the glock, you will not be sorry.

[Valkorado]

ARs with banana clips. I suppose there are a few ARs made for tapered cartridge rounds such as the 7.62 by 39 which would use a "banana" shaped magazine if you will. However, I don't believe the term was used because of the authors amazing in-depth knowledge of the AR platform and all it's arcane variations, I think the term was used because the author had not a clue about firearms in general or the AR platform in particular.

No surprises there, the anti-gunners seem to be proud of their cluelessness. When someone is willfully ignorant, they are going to stay that way in spite of anyone's attempts to educate them.

As a business owner in the firearms industry, I can tell you, firearms ownership does not seem to be declining. It seems to be growing to historic levels at warp speed. And it's doing so across all demographics and age groups. I've had five Ruger LCPs back-ordered from two different distributors since December. All 5 are already spoken for when they get here. And yes, I could get them from gunbroker, but I couldn't sell them at a reasonable price if I di
d. So my customers and I wait for Ruger's production to catch up with demand. That's not a sign of declining ownership. Neither were the record number of NICS checks in February. Firearms are mainstream again, and America is stronger because of it.  

I waited over 3 months for a glock 42. Got tired of waiting and got an LCP that another shop had in stock. What is your opinion of the LCP ?

Get one of these  http://www.amazon.com/Hogue-Handall-Hybrid-Ruger-Sleeve/dp/B015ZLB1LA
or you'll be in pain.

Next fill it with these:
http://www.lehighdefense.com/collections/ammo/products/380-auto-65gr-xtreme-defense-ammunition

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsrEp9PVEf8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LczfeWK9lHw Note this video is showing the Extreme Penetrator.  The newer Extreme Defense round is even better in both larger wound cavity and better (safer) penetration.  Couldn't find a video showing the Extreme Defender .380 round.  Good stuff.

Extreme Defender:
A permanent wound cavity (PWC)that is 2 times greater than any expanding bullet -- 2+ inch from a .380  
A PWC near that of a 5.56 rifle.
Reduced recoil.
CNC machined from solid copper to overcome barriers to penetration
Radial flutes that force the hydraulic energy inward to build pressure
Minimal surface area to increase the force at the point of contact and sharp cutting edges that defeat barriers

A cheap Viridian ultra compact pocket holster covers the trigger for safety and makers it print like a wallet in your pocket.

[The emperor has no clothes]

ARs with banana clips. I suppose there are a few ARs made for tapered cartridge rounds such as the 7.62 by 39 which would use a "banana" shaped magazine if you will. However, I don't believe the term was used because of the authors amazing in-depth knowledge of the AR platform and all it's arcane variations, I think the term was used because the author had not a clue about firearms in general or the AR platform in particular.

No surprises there, the anti-gunners seem to be proud of their cluelessness. When someone is willfully ignorant, they are going to stay that way in spite of anyone's attempts to educate them.

As a business owner in the firearms industry, I can tell you, firearms ownership does not seem to be declining. It seems to be growing to historic levels at warp speed. And it's doing so across all demographics and age groups. I've had five Ruger LCPs back-ordered from two different distributors since December. All 5 are already spoken for when they get here. And yes, I could get them from gunbroker, but I couldn't sell them at a reasonable price if I did. So my customers and I wait for Ruger's production to catch up with demand. That's not a sign of declining ownership. Neither were the record number of NICS checks in February. Firearms are mainstream again, and America is stronger because of it.  

I waited over 3 months for a glock 42. Got tired of waiting and got an LCP that another shop had in stock. What is your opinion of the LCP ?

Get one of these  http://www.amazon.com/Hogue-Handall-Hybrid-Ruger-Sleeve/dp/B015ZLB1LA
or you'll be in pain.

Next fill it with these  http://www.lehighdefense.com/pages/xtreme-defense

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsrEp9PVEf8

A permanent wound cavity (PWC)that is 2 times greater than any expanding bullet -- 2+ inch from a .380  
A PWC near that of a 5.56 rifle.
Reduced recoil.
CNC machined from solid copper to overcome barriers to penetration
Radial flutes that force the hydraulic energy inward to build pressure
Minimal surface area to increase the force at the point of contact and sharp cutting edges that defeat barriers

A cheap Viridian ultra compact pocket holster covers the trigger for safety and makers it print like a wallet in your pocket.

This is what I got when I bought it. An extended clip which feels much better and these "radically invasive projectiles" I've been looking for a pocket holster. I'll check out the Viridian.  

[Gavin_Sons]

ARs with banana clips. I suppose there are a few ARs made for tapered cartridge rounds such as the 7.62 by 39 which would use a "banana" shaped magazine if you will. However, I don't believe the term was used because of the authors amazing in-depth knowledge of the AR platform and all it's arcane variations, I think the term was used because the author had not a clue about firearms in general or the AR platform in particular.

No surprises there, the anti-gunners seem to be proud of their cluelessness. When someone is willfully ignorant, they are going to stay that way in spite of anyone's attempts to educate them.

As a business owner in the firearms industry, I can tell you, firearms ownership does not seem to be declining. It seems to be growing to historic levels at warp speed. And it's doing so across all demographics and age groups. I've had five Ruger LCPs back-ordered from two different distributors since December. All 5 are already spoken for when they get here. And yes, I could get them from gunbroker, but I couldn't sell them at a reasonable price if I did. So my customers and I wait for Ruger's production to catch up with demand. That's not a sign of declining ownership. Neither were the record number of NICS checks in February. Firearms are mainstream again, and America is stronger because of it.  

I waited over 3 months for a glock 42. Got tired of waiting and got an LCP that another shop had in stock. What is your opinion of the LCP ?

Get one of these  http://www.amazon.com/Hogue-Handall-Hybrid-Ruger-Sleeve/dp/B015ZLB1LA
or you'll be in pain.

Next fill it with these  http://www.lehighdefense.com/pages/xtreme-defense

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsrEp9PVEf8

A permanent wound cavity (PWC)that is 2 times greater than any expanding bullet -- 2+ inch from a .380 
A PWC near that of a 5.56 rifle.
Reduced recoil.
CNC machined from solid copper to overcome barriers to penetration
Radial flutes that force the hydraulic energy inward to build pressure
Minimal surface area to increase the force at the point of contact and sharp cutting edges that defeat barriers

A cheap Viridian ultra compact pocket holster covers the trigger for safety and makers it print like a wallet in your pocket.

I won't carry anything but federal HST in my carry guns. Hollow points only. As the guy demostrated in his video, federal got the best wound cavity.

[Bighead]

And let's be real guns are no more leathal today than 50 years ago. More accurate yes  ( most of the idiots that go on shooting rampages don't know how to shoot to start with). Dead Is Dead. If the first bullet hits the correct spot It really don't matter if 10 more follow Dead Is Dead.

[Detn8er]

ARs with banana clips. I suppose there are a few ARs made for tapered cartridge rounds such as the 7.62 by 39 which would use a "banana" shaped magazine if you will. However, I don't believe the term was used because of the authors amazing in-depth knowledge of the AR platform and all it's arcane variations, I think the term was used because the author had not a clue about firearms in general or the AR platform in particular.

No surprises there, the anti-gunners seem to be proud of their cluelessness. When someone is willfully ignorant, they are going to stay that way in spite of anyone's attempts to educate them.

As a business owner in the firearms industry, I can tell you, firearms ownership does not seem to be declining. It seems to be growing to historic levels at warp speed. And it's doing so across all demographics and age groups. I've had five Ruger LCPs back-ordered from two different distributors since December. All 5 are already spoken for when they get here. And yes, I could get them from gunbroker, but I couldn't sell them at a reasonable price if I did. So my customers and I wait for Ruger's production to catch up with demand. That's not a sign of declining ownership. Neither were the record number of NICS checks in February. Firearms are mainstream again, and America is stronger because of it.  

I waited over 3 months for a glock 42. Got tired of waiting and got an LCP that another shop had in stock. What is your opinion of the LCP ?

Get one of these  http://www.amazon.com/Hogue-Handall-Hybrid-Ruger-Sleeve/dp/B015ZLB1LA
or you'll be in pain.

Next fill it with these  http://www.lehighdefense.com/pages/xtreme-defense

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsrEp9PVEf8

A permanent wound cavity (PWC)that is 2 times greater than any expanding bullet -- 2+ inch from a .380  
A PWC near that of a 5.56 rifle.
Reduced recoil.
CNC machined from solid copper to overcome barriers to penetration
Radial flutes that force the hydraulic energy inward to build pressure
Minimal surface area to increase the force at the point of contact and sharp cutting edges that defeat barriers

A cheap Viridian ultra compact pocket holster covers the trigger for safety and makers it print like a wallet in your pocket.

This is what I got when I bought it. An extended clip which feels much better and these "radically invasive projectiles" I've been looking for a pocket holster. I'll check out the Viridian.  

Can you post a picture of the extended "clip" alone.....I've never seen one. 

[Moonshot_1]

NRA’s idea of spinning classic “Fairy Tales” by inserting guns into them is rather silly if the only point is to entertain 5 year olds. I would think that the approach for this demographic would be to perhaps spin them with a safety focus in mind.

But the point of spinning these tales in this manner is to make a political point geared for the adult political audience. To frame gun ownership in a way even a child would understand. Using the Fairy Tales breaks it down to that end. Silly? Yes. Effective? Absolutely.

The opinion piece cited by the original post ends with this ---

The N.R.A.’s redone tales don’t deal with the possibility that the Big Bad Wolf or the witch could easily even the odds by picking up a few guns of their own at the weekend sports mart, where Congress makes sure no background checks on buyers are required. But let’s not quibble when the N.R.A. tells its latest fairy tale.

Stunningly short sighted isn’t it?

How about the reality that the “Big Bad Wolf or the Witch” don’t need to “even the odds” because they are already armed and by the writers own definition, are Big and Bad?

Which, in a silly, simple and clever way, is the point the NRA is making.
So simple a child can understand  it.

What a nit.

[The emperor has no clothes]

ARs with banana clips. I suppose there are a few ARs made for tapered cartridge rounds such as the 7.62 by 39 which would use a "banana" shaped magazine if you will. However, I don't believe the term was used because of the authors amazing in-depth knowledge of the AR platform and all it's arcane variations, I think the term was used because the author had not a clue about firearms in general or the AR platform in particular.

No surprises there, the anti-gunners seem to be proud of their cluelessness. When someone is willfully ignorant, they are going to stay that way in spite of anyone's attempts to educate them.

As a business owner in the firearms industry, I can tell you, firearms ownership does not seem to be declining. It seems to be growing to historic levels at warp speed. And it's doing so across all demographics and age groups. I've had five Ruger LCPs back-ordered from two different distributors since December. All 5 are already spoken for when they get here. And yes, I could get them from gunbroker, but I couldn't sell them at a reasonable price if I did. So my customers and I wait for Ruger's production to catch up with demand. That's not a sign of declining ownership. Neither were the record number of NICS checks in February. Firearms are mainstream again, and America is stronger because of it.  

I waited over 3 months for a glock 42. Got tired of waiting and got an LCP that another shop had in stock. What is your opinion of the LCP ?

Get one of these  http://www.amazon.com/Hogue-Handall-Hybrid-Ruger-Sleeve/dp/B015ZLB1LA
or you'll be in pain.

Next fill it with these  http://www.lehighdefense.com/pages/xtreme-defense

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsrEp9PVEf8

A permanent wound cavity (PWC)that is 2 times greater than any expanding bullet -- 2+ inch from a .380  
A PWC near that of a 5.56 rifle.
Reduced recoil.
CNC machined from solid copper to overcome barriers to penetration
Radial flutes that force the hydraulic energy inward to build pressure
Minimal surface area to increase the force at the point of contact and sharp cutting edges that defeat barriers

A cheap Viridian ultra compact pocket holster covers the trigger for safety and makers it print like a wallet in your pocket.

This is what I got when I bought it. An extended clip which feels much better and these "radically invasive projectiles" I've been looking for a pocket holster. I'll check out the Viridian.  

Can you post a picture of the extended "clip" alone.....I've never seen one. 

sure


It doesn't seem like much but just that little bit lets me grip it much better.

[Detn8er]

I'll just leave this here......Sorry, it's not meant to piss anyone off. Just one of the things that drives me nuts. Clip.....aaaarrrrrrGGGHHHHHH!!!

https://www.google.com/search?q=firearm+clip+vs+magazine&biw=1067&bih=559&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjy3rP-r-nLAhXH5SYKHWZBA68QsAQIJA

[The emperor has no clothes]

I'll just leave this here......Sorry, it's not meant to piss anyone off. Just one of the things that drives me nuts. Clip.....aaaarrrrrrGGGHHHHHH!!!

https://www.google.com/search?q=firearm+clip+vs+magazine&biw=1067&bih=559&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjy3rP-r-nLAhXH5SYKHWZBA68QsAQIJA

You are correct. Sorry I've been calling them that since I was 12 and my Dad called them that. I apologize, my bad.