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Patrick
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« on: April 16, 2016, 04:22:43 AM »


How true for our generation
 

 
 
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>>>> Time is like a river You cannot touch the water twice, because the flow that has passed will never pass again.
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>>>> Franklin Graham was speaking at the First Baptist Church in Jacksonville, Florida in January, 2015, when he said America will not come back. He wrote:
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>>>> The American dream ended on November 6th, 2012 in Ohio.  The second term of Barack Obama has been the final nail in the coffin for the legacy of the white Christian males who discovered, explored, pioneered, settled and developed the greatest republic in the history of mankind.  A coalition of blacks, Latinos, feminists, gays, government workers, union members, environmental extremists, the media, Hollywood, uninformed young people, the "forever needy," the chronically unemployed, illegal aliens and other "fellow  travelers" have ended Norman Rockwell's America.
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>>>> You will never again out-vote these people. It will take individual acts of defiance and massive displays of civil disobedience to get back the rights we have allowed them to take away.  It will take zealots, not moderates and shy, not reach-across-the-aisle RINOs to right this ship and restore our  beloved country to its former status.  People like me are completely politically irrelevant, and I will probably never again be able to legally comment on or concern myself with the aforementioned coalition which has surrendered our culture, our heritage and our traditions without a shot being fired.
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>>>> The cocker spaniel is off the front porch, the pit bull is in the back yard The American Constitution has been replaced with Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals" and the likes of Chicago shyster David Axelrod along with international socialist George Soros have been pulling the strings on their beige puppet have brought us Act 2 of the New World Order. The curtain will come down but the damage has been done, the story has been told.
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>>>> Those who come after us will once again have to risk their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor to bring back the Republic that this generation has timidly frittered away due to white guilt and political correctness.
 
 
 
 
 
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« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2016, 04:30:01 AM »

I agree

 It's like we are in the tail end of the roman empire. Things are still pretty good but we are on the way out

 I tell parents these days to teach the kids to speak Spanish and read Chinese they will be ready for the new world

 I will be in Arizona with "my Bible and my guns"

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« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2016, 08:15:13 AM »

So my question is-duz we go out with nary a whimper?  uglystupid2 Don't know WHO to credit the line to BUT I will use it without shame-don't let the sonsabitches win.  tickedoff RIDE SAFE.
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« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2016, 08:56:37 AM »

Wow... I never thought I'd be thrown in a group like that, just because I'm in a Union.  IMHO. The greatest threat to  my Country, which I fought for btw, and world peace is Religion.
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« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2016, 10:37:26 AM »

They can chip at the rock, but there's no denying our states were founded in faith.


Alabama 1901, Preamble
We the people of the State of Alabama , invoking the favor and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish the following Constitution..
Alaska 1956, Preamble
 We, the people of Alaska , grateful to God and to those who founded our nation and pioneered this great land.
Arizona 1911, Preamble
 We, the people of the State of Arizona , grateful to Almighty God for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution...
Arkansas 1874, Preamble
 We, the people of the State of Arkansas, grateful to Almighty God for the privilege of choosing our own form of government...
California 1879, Preamble
 We, the People of the State of California , grateful to Almighty God for our freedom...
Colorado 1876, Preamble
 We, the people of Colorado , with profound reverence for the Supreme Ruler of Universe...
Connecticut 1818, Preamble.
 The People of Connecticut, acknowledging with gratitude the good Providence of God in permitting them to enjoy.
Delaware 1897, Preamble
 Through Divine Goodness all men have, by nature, the rights of worshipping and serving their Creator according to the dictates of their consciences.
Florida 1885, Preamble
 We, the people of the State of Florida , grateful to Almighty God for our constitutional liberty, establish this Constitution...
Georgia 1777, Preamble
 We, the people of Georgia , relying upon protection and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish this Constitution...
Hawaii 1959, Preamble
 We, the people of Hawaii , Grateful for Divine Guidance ... Establish this Constitution.
Idaho 1889, Preamble
 We, the people of the State of Idaho , grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings.
Illinois 1870, Preamble
 We, the people of the State of Illinois, grateful to Almighty God for the civil , political and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy and looking to Him for a blessing on our endeavors.
Indiana 1851, Preamble
 We, the People of the State of Indiana , grateful to Almighty God for the free exercise of the right to choose our form of government.
Iowa 1857, Preamble
 We, the People of the State of Iowa , grateful to the Supreme Being for the blessings hitherto enjoyed, and feeling our dependence on Him for a continuation of these blessings, establish this Constitution.
Kansas 1859, Preamble
 We, the people of Kansas , grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious privileges establish this Constitution.
Kentucky 1891, Preamble
 We, the people of the Commonwealth are grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties..
Louisiana 1921, Preamble
 We, the people of the State of Louisiana , grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties we enjoy.
Maine 1820, Preamble
 We the People of Maine acknowledging with grateful hearts the goodness of the Sovereign Ruler of the Universe in affording us an opportunity ... And imploring His aid and direction.
Maryland 1776, Preamble
 We, the people of the state of Maryland , grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious liberty...
Massachusetts 1780, Preamble
 We...the people of Massachusetts, acknowledging with grateful hearts, the goodness of the Great Legislator of the Universe In the course of His Providence, an opportunity and devoutly imploring His direction
Michigan 1908, Preamble
 We, the people of the State of Michigan , grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of freedom, establish this Constitution.
Minnesota, 1857, Preamble
 We, the people of the State of Minnesota , grateful to God for our civil and religious liberty, and desiring to perpetuate its blessings:
Mississippi 1890, Preamble
 We, the people of Mississippi in convention assembled, grateful to Almighty God, and invoking His blessing on our work.
Missouri 1845, Preamble
 We, the people of Missouri , with profound reverence for the Supreme Ruler of the Universe, and grateful for His goodness - Establish this Constitution...
Montana 1889, Preamble. We, the people of Montana , grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of liberty establish this Constitution..
Nebraska 1875, Preamble
 We, the people, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom. Establish this Constitution.
Nevada 1864, Preamble
 We the people of the State of Nevada , grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, establish this Constitution...
New Hampshire 1792, Part I.. Art. I. Sec. V
 Every individual has a natural and unalienable right to worship God according to the dictates of his own conscience.
New Jersey 1844, Preamble
 We, the people of the State of New Jersey, grateful to Almighty God for civil and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing on our endeavors.
New Mexico 1911, Preamble
 We, the People of New Mexico, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of liberty..
New York 1846, Preamble
 We, the people of the State of New York , grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, in order to secure its blessings.
North Carolina 1868, Preamble
 We the people of the State of North Carolina, grateful to Almighty God, the Sovereign Ruler of Nations, for our civil, political, and religious liberties, and acknowledging our dependence upon Him for the continuance of those...
North Dakota 1889, Preamble
 We, the people of North Dakota , grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, do ordain...
Ohio 1852, Preamble
 We the people of the state of Ohio , grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings and to promote our common.
Oklahoma 1907, Preamble
 Invoking the guidance of Almighty God, in order to secure and perpetuate the blessings of liberty, establish this
Oregon 1857, Bill of Rights, Article I Section 2.
 All men shall be secure in the Natural right, to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their consciences
Pennsylvania 1776, Preamble
 We, the people of Pennsylvania , grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, and humbly invoking His guidance...
Rhode Island 1842, Preamble.
 We the People of the State of Rhode Island grateful to Almighty God for the civil and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing....
South Carolina , 1778, Preamble
 We, the people of the State of South Carolina grateful to God for our liberties, do ordain and establish this Constitution.
South Dakota 1889, Preamble
 We, the people of South Dakota , grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious liberties.
Tennessee 1796, Art. XI.III.
 That all men have a natural and indefeasible right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their conscience...
Texas 1845, Preamble
 We the People of the Republic of Texas , acknowledging, with gratitude, the grace and beneficence of God.
Utah 1896, Preamble
 Grateful to Almighty God for life and liberty, we establish this Constitution.
Vermont 1777, Preamble
 Whereas all government ought to enable the individuals who compose it to enjoy their natural rights, and other blessings which the Author of Existence has bestowed on man.
Virginia 1776, Bill of Rights, XVI
 Religion, or the Duty which we owe our Creator can be directed only by Reason and that it is the mutual duty of all to practice Christian Forbearance, Love and Charity towards each other
Washington 1889, Preamble
 We the People of the State of Washington , grateful to the Supreme Ruler of the Universe for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution
West Virginia 1872, Preamble
 Since through Divine Providence we enjoy the blessings of civil, political and religious liberty, we, the people of West Virginia reaffirm our faith in and constant reliance upon God ....
Wisconsin 1848, Preamble
 We, the people of Wisconsin , grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, domestic tranquility....
Wyoming 1890, Preamble
We, the people of the State of Wyoming , grateful to God for our civil, political, and religious liberties, establish this Constitution...

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« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2016, 11:35:52 AM »

Thank you for posting that, what an interesting read!

And what a load of submerged white supremist, manifest destiny self-entitled garbage!

You've "lost rights".  What lost rights?  The right to make unilateral decisions for everyone else and expect them to blindly obey?  Declare yourself the leader, wherever you go, thereby making everyone else followers? 'My religion is the best and most "true" so I'll make a law based upon it and expect you to listen'?

The "rights" you have "lost" was the special position of privilege that you granted yourself regardless of what the Constitution promised.  For the very first time...you are nothing special.  As you so very well note, your vote and power base must now compete with everyone on a level playing field.  And that frightens you, doesn't it?  Having to justify your power, having to WORK to get something you want from others, for the first time rather than simply declaring it so and have it made instant reality, is so scary that you've declared the end of the world.

You've had centuries of white Christian / WASP manifest destiny and it is, finally, on its last final gasps and you simply can't handle it.  It started with the Indians telling you to get the hell out of their country and yet, even in the 1980´s with the beginning of the end of apartheid, you kicked and screamed that you had the right to be an elite in someone else's country.

You are just as needy, no maybe more needy, than those you villianize.  You expected and received a systematic social benefit, just from being yourself, and now that it is coming to an end you call for civil disobedience in an attempt to keep your white privilege.  1950´s calls for continued segregation are looking you in the mirror, go answer that phone.

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Those who come after us will once again have to risk their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor to bring back the Republic that this generation has timidly frittered away due to white guilt and political correctness.

Yes.  I carefully note your use of "white guilt".  Not economic issues like "middle class", but white guilt.  Directly implying that, by NOT "falling prey" to "white guilt", this horrible, horrible future where your religion is not paramount, your values are not obeyed, your expectations are not always met and your outcome fails to lord over everyone else's, never really happens. 

Because simply being like everyone else, rather than special, sucks.
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« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2016, 11:45:34 AM »

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« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2016, 10:07:27 PM »

Franklin Graham would never and never did write/deliver those words, which were written anonymously and have been floating around the net since 2012.
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« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2016, 04:47:07 AM »

Franklin Graham would never and never did write/deliver those words, which were written anonymously and have been floating around the net since 2012.

Ah, thank you!  I previously did a internet search for verification of the text but only came up with "same type" friendly links to it, but looking much further with expanded terms turned up the truth

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/americandream.asp

(plus a few other links giving the true content of the speech)
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« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2016, 05:09:39 AM »

I thought this would be of interest to a few here.
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« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2016, 05:58:48 AM »

Franklin Graham would never and never did write/deliver those words, which were written anonymously and have been floating around the net since 2012.

Ah, thank you!  I previously did a internet search for verification of the text but only came up with "same type" friendly links to it, but looking much further with expanded terms turned up the truth

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/americandream.asp

(plus a few other links giving the true content of the speech)



 Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Roll Eyes...say it ain't so!
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« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2016, 07:07:42 AM »

Thank you for posting that, what an interesting read!

And what a load of submerged white supremist, manifest destiny self-entitled garbage!

You've "lost rights".  What lost rights?  The right to make unilateral decisions for everyone else and expect them to blindly obey?  Declare yourself the leader, wherever you go, thereby making everyone else followers? 'My religion is the best and most "true" so I'll make a law based upon it and expect you to listen'?

The "rights" you have "lost" was the special position of privilege that you granted yourself regardless of what the Constitution promised.  For the very first time...you are nothing special.  As you so very well note, your vote and power base must now compete with everyone on a level playing field.  And that frightens you, doesn't it?  Having to justify your power, having to WORK to get something you want from others, for the first time rather than simply declaring it so and have it made instant reality, is so scary that you've declared the end of the world.

You've had centuries of white Christian / WASP manifest destiny and it is, finally, on its last final gasps and you simply can't handle it.  It started with the Indians telling you to get the hell out of their country and yet, even in the 1980´s with the beginning of the end of apartheid, you kicked and screamed that you had the right to be an elite in someone else's country.

You are just as needy, no maybe more needy, than those you villianize.  You expected and received a systematic social benefit, just from being yourself, and now that it is coming to an end you call for civil disobedience in an attempt to keep your white privilege.  1950´s calls for continued segregation are looking you in the mirror, go answer that phone.

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Those who come after us will once again have to risk their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor to bring back the Republic that this generation has timidly frittered away due to white guilt and political correctness.

Yes.  I carefully note your use of "white guilt".  Not economic issues like "middle class", but white guilt.  Directly implying that, by NOT "falling prey" to "white guilt", this horrible, horrible future where your religion is not paramount, your values are not obeyed, your expectations are not always met and your outcome fails to lord over everyone else's, never really happens.  

Because simply being like everyone else, rather than special, sucks.

Talk about garbage!^^^^^^^^^^

Maybe the poster you quoted use the wrong word, he used rights and perhaps he meant freedom.  

The freedom to believe (or not) in which ever religion you choose with out ridicule and scorn being heaped upon you by the progressives.  

The freedom to use the restroom and locker facilities with persons of the sames sex as you, not whatever sex they happen to identify with that day.

The freedom to exercise your right to bear arms without paying a fee for a license, or having to train first, or to carry that firearm across a state line with out being threatened with a felony and imprisonment.  Yet all states must honor same sex marriages.

The freedom to not have health insurance if you don't want it and not be penalized if you don't.

The freedom to keep the money you work for, as opposed to having it taken from you and given to someone who doesn't work, or even worse to some corrupt enemy government in the form of aid.

The freedom to publicly assemble and speak, without those who disagree with you disrupting your assembly.

The freedom to not believe in global warming, climate change, ozone holes, or what ever environmental crises is dreamed up to further separate you from your money.

The freedom to use your property as you see fit without being extorted with building permits and inspections.

There are several more, but I hope you get the point.


And by the way, I have been alive for 60 years come September, so I haven't experienced/enjoyed ANYTHING for centuries.  I never owned a slave, black or otherwise, my family never collected welfare, I paid for my own college education and worked for what I have.  All the good old boy systems and discrimination must have been before my time as I never benefited from any of it, in fact due to affirmative action and diversity programs, I have been discriminated against, as have/are my children.
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« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2016, 08:02:05 AM »

No.  And I'm going to shoot down just a few of your points because I'm replying via a smartphone and writing it all would be overkill.

Talk about garbage!^^^^^^^^^^

Maybe the poster you quoted use the wrong word, he used rights and perhaps he meant freedom.  

The freedom to believe (or not) in which ever religion you choose with out ridicule and scorn being heaped upon you by the progressives.  
Why don't you just day what you mean, "The freedom to be Christian and believe that Christian values should everywhere"?  Because when it comes to OTHER religions, Judaism, Buddhist, Islam, Taoist, even Wiccan and finally the lack of religion, atheist, Americans have PLENTY of scorn and heap all sorts of ridicule on them.  Including and especially making laws and rules that please the Christian viewpoint but ignore everyone else's.  How many decades have I had to hear "this a Christian-Judo nation!" every time the right-wing fundamentalists were complaining about a new rule that didn't have their singular, religious-based interests at heart?

Please.  As a person who does not honor any religion. I'm sick of being a third-class citizen due to self-righteous religious practitioners believing they have the exclusive right to make decisions for everyone else.  When America starts honoring "Freedom of religion!" for ALL people, not just the Chosen, come back to me on that point.  A law that does NOT honor a Christian value isn't a "loss of a right" for you, it's just giving everyone else the same thing you have.

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The freedom to use the restroom and locker facilities with persons of the sames sex as you, not whatever sex they happen to identify with that day.

No.  1000 times, NO.  The law should be what they LEGALLY identify as, considering modern treatments and surgical procedures possible.  If you don't like the fact that they have changed what they are - tough, they didn't ask for your permission.  They are, now, what they are and the world expects you to deal with it in the same eat that the world openly deals with what you are and how you present yourself in it.

Crossdressers and others?  I can see saying that no, you should not be allowed use the alternate bathroom.  You could just be playing dress-up for the day, who knows?  But if they live their lives as something, identify as such under all circumstances even when doing so gets then scorn and ridicule, then they've both committed to it and see themselves the mirror as that.  So either accept it or do not expect others to accept YOU.  "Treat others as you yourself hope to be treated"

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TheThe freedom to exercise your right to bear arms without paying a fee for a license, or having to train first, or to carry that firearm across a state line with out being threatened with a felony and imprisonment.  Yet all states must honor same sex marriages.

Well, it's always interesting how strongly some people hold their gun rights.  Why do I have to register my motorcycle when I love riding more than anything else in the world?  The government is getting the way of my freedom of happiness!

But there you go.  We'll skip this one, you right to bear arms is valuable and important.
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The freedom to not have health insurance if you don't want it and not be penalized if you don't.

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The freedom to keep the money you work for, as opposed to having it taken from you and given to someone who doesn't work, or even worse to some corrupt enemy government in the form of aid.

Here we go again.  The parroting of the points forwarded the talking heads of conservative media

And where is the outrage for corporate welfare and corruption?  Exactly how many trillions of dollars have been taken out of the public's pockets to pay everything from cleaning up corporately-created disasters to subsidies that, quite essentially, socialize a corporation's cost while privatizing the resulting profits?

When the right gets as resentful of corporate welfare as it does about personal welfare, get back me.  When the double standard is dead, then I'll be happy to talk about tax burdens.
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The freedom to publicly assemble and speak, without those who disagree with you disrupting your assembly.

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The freedom to not believe in global warming, climate change, ozone holes, or what ever environmental crises is dreamed up to further separate you from your money.

The freedom to use your property as you see fit without being extorted with building permits and inspections.

I know.  The freedom to dismiss scientific reality and remain a Luddite so as to believe that everything is against my personal interests, I remain All.

Anyway, yes sometimes the building permits sound absolutely ridiculous.  Not a perfect system.  But the they exist for a reason, in the past people built with care and people got injured and died.  Check out South Korea's Sampoong department store collapse, amongst others, to find what what happens when rules aren't followed, even in industrialized nations. 

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There are several more, but I hope you get the point.


And by the way, I have been alive for 60 years come September, so I haven't experienced/enjoyed ANYTHING for centuries.  I never owned a slave, black or otherwise, my family never collected welfare, I paid for my own college education and worked for what I have.  All the good old boy systems and discrimination must have been before my time as I never benefited from any of it, in fact due to affirmative action and diversity programs, I have been discriminated against, as have/are my children.
Yes, I get the point.  But you should also get a point: you are not a constant victim of a society that has been demonized as being against your personal interests.  Constant victimhood isn't pretty, you know.
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« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2016, 08:07:05 AM »

Hats off, dinosnake..... cooldude
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« Reply #14 on: April 17, 2016, 08:07:57 AM »

And so..........
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« Reply #15 on: April 17, 2016, 08:10:45 AM »

Skinhead, thanks for trying, but you can't fix stupid...  uglystupid2
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« Reply #16 on: April 17, 2016, 08:24:05 AM »

Skinhead, thanks for trying, but you can't fix stupid...  uglystupid2

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« Reply #17 on: April 17, 2016, 08:31:52 AM »

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"As a person who does not honor any religion. I'm sick of being a third-class citizen..."


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« Reply #18 on: April 17, 2016, 10:06:21 AM »

dinosnake what race and ethnicity are you just very curious?
Whoa  Shocked Does it matter ?
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« Reply #19 on: April 17, 2016, 11:24:11 AM »

Dinosnake made an interesting response but, I need to ask some questions.

If there is freedom of religion and all are able to do exactly as they feel then why is a little cake shop prosecuted for not making a homosexual marriage cake but big corporations are allowed to boycott GA's new bathroom laws and allowed to pull growth plans, pull projects and funding hurt people finance's and nothing happens?

Why is it the rights problem when big corporations are hurting the right and more catering to the left with their policies. We again see this in GA. as only a demonstration of which way corporations want it. Shouldn't it be both who go after corporate greed and bias. Just as the bail out was given I didn't notice anyone who was loosing a house Republican or Democrats get any of the money to keep their house. So who really did the government help big corporations at the cost of the constituents.

Why is the left using the courts and government to swing the pendulum the other way on gay issues and doing nothing about the unfairness of say health care, when they know how repressed they were and would not want to inflict that on others?
 
The left to me seems to have no compassion and no restraint.

As for America just a small word.

America that we now know was formed in 1776, but the America that was the founding of this nation was the Mayflower Compact formed some 150 years earlier by Christians that settled these shores. There was no real law except Gods law ruling for those years. This is why when the Constitution was formed you could not get a government job if you were not a Christian.

That country did not do that badly and out of it was formed the Nation we live in now.

So for 150 years we were ruled by God's laws and now for some 240 years we have seen the establishment of taxes, the Federal Reserve, Striking down of Constitutional provisions and the changing of the legal system from common law to something resembling maritime law. Taxes werent actually formed till 1910 and then only on the top 1% of the population then the Fed Reserve was formed through an illegal process of voting when most of Congress was out on Christmas, just like O care.  We have seen the Congress abdicate their position, the justice dept play favorites. We see that morals have no bearing on those running for President. We have seen the courts make laws over peoples votes and again Congress does nothing. We hear the drum beats of a one world government the giving up of US sovereignty and so much more after only 240 years.

We definitely were a Christian nation and in that we were blessed. But today I see the devaluation of the dollar and the complete gold standard thrown out. I see government spending at a high that is not sustainable. I see common people being taxed beyond their means, I see people if they cant afford health care get a penalty instead of trying to truly cover everyone. The goverment printing money and US families buying power erode to almost nothing. In

So if you live here and if you claim to be liberal I will ask are we better off now than were even 8 years ago? What nation has done what we have done? What nation gives more to help others than the USA? That is when we were established on a Christian belief, so what do you think this place will look like established on liberal values or corporate values? Shouldn't we be worried when we see the trouble that is around today and no one addresses it?

 What values will replace religious values,  perverts in bathrooms? No thank you I may not have like some of the old laws but the new ones are getting to be unlivable. Maybe unless you live in a cesspool earn no money like being told what to do and watched to make sure you do it. Lack personal motivation and don't give a dam about who makes the money you spend. OH wait another institution comes to mind PRISON. There you have no rights and every right you have is given you by the prison system. We are not far from that.

In 1950 30k had a buying power equivalent to 296,429.88 today now its not Christian policies or Christians or Republicans or Democrat's that are solely responsible for this erosion. In morals, buying power, cost of living, walking on the Constitution, erosion of personal rights. But dont remove a standard or change the rules to play into those hands that would love to take more rights away from us.

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Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. John Adams
 
What we see in government is neither moral nor religious and so when you say you want changes from this country maybe we are getting those changes in spades because it echos John Adams Words.  Not in the 150 years that this country survived on Gods Laws did they die but thrived now we are wondering 240 years from one day to the next we will still be here and is so in what shape. Because as they take one by one rights away and force taxes and we don't see things getting better but getting worse.
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« Reply #20 on: April 17, 2016, 11:38:56 AM »

dinosnake what race and ethnicity are you just very curious?
Whoa  Shocked Does it matter ?

I'd say dinosnake is multiracial hermaphrodite transsexual.  Soumds pretty close to his beliefs. And no you cant fix stupid even if you draw it on a piece of paper in front of them.

I have a huge problem with a man that thinks he is a woman using the same bathroom as my wife. No so much of a problem with the faggot using my restroom because I can take care of myself. This transsexual bull crap is past out of control. If you think it is fine to change your sex because you feel like the opposite sex you have huge issues and need to rethink your life. Or maybe go jump off a bridge.  uglystupid2
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« Reply #21 on: April 17, 2016, 11:54:17 AM »

dinosnake what race and ethnicity are you just very curious?
Whoa  Shocked Does it matter ?

I'd say dinosnake is multiracial hermaphrodite transsexual.  Soumds pretty close to his beliefs. And no you cant fix stupid even if you draw it on a piece of paper in front of them.

I have a huge problem with a man that thinks he is a woman using the same bathroom as my wife. No so much of a problem with the faggot using my restroom because I can take care of myself. This transsexual bull crap is past out of control. If you think it is fine to change your sex because you feel like the opposite sex you have huge issues and need to rethink your life. Or maybe go jump off a bridge.  uglystupid2
You make me very proud to be part of this club.  Shocked
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« Reply #22 on: April 17, 2016, 12:00:24 PM »

dinosnake what race and ethnicity are you just very curious?
Whoa  Shocked Does it matter ?

I'd say dinosnake is multiracial hermaphrodite transsexual.  Soumds pretty close to his beliefs. And no you cant fix stupid even if you draw it on a piece of paper in front of them.

I have a huge problem with a man that thinks he is a woman using the same bathroom as my wife. No so much of a problem with the faggot using my restroom because I can take care of myself. This transsexual bull crap is past out of control. If you think it is fine to change your sex because you feel like the opposite sex you have huge issues and need to rethink your life. Or maybe go jump off a bridge.  uglystupid2
You make me very proud to be part of this club.  Shocked

Whats wrong meathead, dont like my way of thinking? That breaks my heart. Your buddies dinosnake, baldo, and daddieo make me proud also, not you so much but definitely them. Which part offended you the most?
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« Reply #23 on: April 17, 2016, 12:07:05 PM »

I made a promise to my friend Willow that I wouldn't partake in any pissing matches again. I'm going to try my best to uphold that promise. Have a nice Sunday afternoon.  Smiley
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« Reply #24 on: April 17, 2016, 12:18:54 PM »

I made a promise to my friend Willow that I wouldn't partake in any pissing matches again. I'm going to try my best to uphold that promise. Have a nice Sunday afternoon.  Smiley

Yea he has kind of cya a few times so I understand
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« Reply #25 on: April 17, 2016, 12:28:19 PM »

I made a promise to my friend Willow that I wouldn't partake in any pissing matches again. I'm going to try my best to uphold that promise. Have a nice Sunday afternoon.  Smiley

This is not any kind of pissing match. I'm sorry you see my views as wrong, I see them as right as far as im concerned. Maybe I should just keep them to myself and close friends to keep from offending others? I think I will try that. Sorry meathead, baldo, dinosnake and daddieo that I offend you so much. 
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« Reply #26 on: April 17, 2016, 01:47:49 PM »

I made a promise to my friend Willow that I wouldn't partake in any pissing matches again. I'm going to try my best to uphold that promise. Have a nice Sunday afternoon.  Smiley

This is not any kind of pissing match. I'm sorry you see my views as wrong, I see them as right as far as im concerned. Maybe I should just keep them to myself and close friends to keep from offending others? I think I will try that. Sorry meathead, baldo, dinosnake and daddieo that I offend you so much. 

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« Reply #27 on: April 17, 2016, 01:49:44 PM »

dinosnake what race and ethnicity are you just very curious?
Whoa  Shocked Does it matter ?

I'd say dinosnake is multiracial hermaphrodite transsexual.  Soumds pretty close to his beliefs. And no you cant fix stupid even if you draw it on a piece of paper in front of them.

I have a huge problem with a man that thinks he is a woman using the same bathroom as my wife. No so much of a problem with the faggot using my restroom because I can take care of myself. This transsexual bull crap is past out of control. If you think it is fine to change your sex because you feel like the opposite sex you have huge issues and need to rethink your life. Or maybe go jump off a bridge.  uglystupid2
Gavin, it looks to me like you're stepping dangerously close to violating the rules of the road. You should try to keep those anger issues in check.
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« Reply #28 on: April 17, 2016, 02:53:21 PM »

dinosnake what race and ethnicity are you just very curious?
Whoa  Shocked Does it matter ?

I'd say dinosnake is multiracial hermaphrodite transsexual.  Soumds pretty close to his beliefs. And no you cant fix stupid even if you draw it on a piece of paper in front of them.

I have a huge problem with a man that thinks he is a woman using the same bathroom as my wife. No so much of a problem with the faggot using my restroom because I can take care of myself. This transsexual bull crap is past out of control. If you think it is fine to change your sex because you feel like the opposite sex you have huge issues and need to rethink your life. Or maybe go jump off a bridge.  uglystupid2
Gavin, it looks to me like you're stepping dangerously close to violating the rules of the road. You should try to keep those anger issues in check.

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« Reply #29 on: April 17, 2016, 03:00:49 PM »

dinosnake what race and ethnicity are you just very curious?
Whoa  Shocked Does it matter ?

I'd say dinosnake is multiracial hermaphrodite transsexual.  Soumds pretty close to his beliefs. And no you cant fix stupid even if you draw it on a piece of paper in front of them.

I have a huge problem with a man that thinks he is a woman using the same bathroom as my wife. No so much of a problem with the faggot using my restroom because I can take care of myself. This transsexual bull crap is past out of control. If you think it is fine to change your sex because you feel like the opposite sex you have huge issues and need to rethink your life. Or maybe go jump off a bridge.  uglystupid2
Gavin, it looks to me like you're stepping dangerously close to violating the rules of the road. You should try to keep those anger issues in check.

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« Reply #30 on: April 17, 2016, 03:42:20 PM »

I made a promise to my friend Willow that I wouldn't partake in any pissing matches again. I'm going to try my best to uphold that promise. Have a nice Sunday afternoon.  Smiley

Yea he has kind of cya a few times so I understand
He has ? Evidently he is a nicer guy than I realized.  cooldude
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This thread is being terminated because my gauge has indicated it has exceeded the acceptable maximum of dumb ass responses from both extremes.  
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