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« on: May 10, 2016, 05:28:46 AM » |
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The latest attack strategy by the Donald seems to be that he is saying it's Hillary Clinton's fault that Bill screwed around on her. I understand she is despised by many here. But this doesn't seem like a great strategy to gain the votes of women. I would think if I was a wife who's husband had cheated on me I would be very put off by this line of attack. I am speaking just purely from a strategy of trying to win the election.
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« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2016, 05:40:01 AM » |
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No, I do not believe he is blaming her for Bill. What he, and others like me find offensive, is her past record of defending Bill, and attacking the women who said Bill attacked them. If Hillary had left and/or divorced Bill, then I would respect her. However, she choose to viciously attack and demean the women victims, and now claims to be the defender of women.
That is what an enabler is, and does.
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« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2016, 05:49:45 AM » |
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Maybe a better word is belittler. She belittled and demeaned any woman who mentioned Bill's sexual indiscretions. Now she claims to be the champion of all women.
Self-serving.
And you're right. I despise Hillary.
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« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2016, 05:58:42 AM » |
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No, I do not believe he is blaming her for Bill. What he, and others like me find offensive, is her past record of defending Bill, and attacking the women who said Bill attacked them. If Hillary had left and/or divorced Bill, then I would respect her. However, she choose to viciously attack and demean the women victims, and now claims to be the defender of women.
That is what an enabler is, and does.
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« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2016, 06:14:19 AM » |
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Every action the Clintons have taken in their lives is for political purposes. Well, except for bill's indiscretions.
Hilly has backed had attacked when it looked that billy might be in a corner. If it would have been more politically expedient, she would have dumped him like a case of diarrhea. She needed to cover him for bill to survive. She needed him to survive so that her political career, and finances, could thrive.
No, I have not an ounce of respect for her, or most all of todays pollys for that matter.
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« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2016, 06:41:12 AM » |
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I understand how you guys hate and despise her. We have plenty of posts on here describing that. What I'm curious about is does this seem like a good strategy for winning ? I assume you guys want to win.
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« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2016, 06:58:13 AM » |
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Yes, it makes sense to me. Most of us reading this are well aware of Bill's female fun times including the later trips to a very exclusive island.
However, there are now a couple of generations of younger folks, women in particular, who do not have a clue about any of this. They need to know and will by the time voting day gets here.
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« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2016, 07:01:08 AM » |
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I understand how you guys hate and despise her. We have plenty of posts on here describing that. What I'm curious about is does this seem like a good strategy for winning ? I assume you guys want to win.
Absolutely. She is the one who brought this card out in the first place, claiming Trump is basically an anti everything male chauvanist. I don't believe this is his "strategy" for winning, but it's sure fair game. His team has over three decades of Clinton corruption to sift through. |
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« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2016, 07:05:48 AM » |
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Yes, it makes sense to me. Most of us reading this are well aware of Bill's female fun times including the later trips to a very exclusive island.
However, there are now a couple of generations of younger folks, women in particular, who do not have a clue about any of this. They need to know and will by the time voting day gets here.
Pappy, do you think the young women that don't previously know of Bill's infidelities will vote against her because of that ? It just seems to me there is a fairly large chunk of women voters who have been cheated on that would take offense to being labeled as enablers. |
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« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2016, 07:11:28 AM » |
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She is a this point in time a career politician. It's what the club wanted her to do. Sticking with billy when for most wives would have been at the least looking for the frying pan or the door.
It was convenient then may open the question of what sort of backbone does she really have to make the hard call that will come up.
It's a mess when these are the 2 front runners.
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« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2016, 07:34:26 AM » |
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I'm confused. Isn't it Hilary that's running for President? If the roles were reversed with a different political couple, and the wife had been adulterous, would it be an issue?
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« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2016, 07:35:50 AM » |
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Yes, it makes sense to me. Most of us reading this are well aware of Bill's female fun times including the later trips to a very exclusive island.
However, there are now a couple of generations of younger folks, women in particular, who do not have a clue about any of this. They need to know and will by the time voting day gets here.
Pappy, do you think the young women that don't previously know of Bill's infidelities will vote against her because of that ? It just seems to me there is a fairly large chunk of women voters who have been cheated on that would take offense to being labeled as enablers. The issue being brought to light isn't that her husband is a serial philanderer... The issue being brought to life is that when he's been caught, Hillary has defamed the women he was caught with, and then turns around and claims to be a champion of women. When Hillary takes part in slandering her husband's victims, and then has the gall to put out pronouncements like (This is a direct quote) "Every survivor of sexual assault deserves to be heard, believed and supported", THAT is the kind of hypocrisy that's being pointed out. That her husband like to chase tail and she allowed it is a non issue, that's between him and her frankly. That her husband likes to chase tail and when caught, she takes part in destroying the tail he was chasing, THAT is a far darker and more grim issue. That she does this, and then claims to be a champion of sexual assault victims? That's moving into "Chickens for Colonel Sanders" territory.  |
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« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2016, 07:38:16 AM » |
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Yes, it makes sense to me. Most of us reading this are well aware of Bill's female fun times including the later trips to a very exclusive island.
However, there are now a couple of generations of younger folks, women in particular, who do not have a clue about any of this. They need to know and will by the time voting day gets here.
Pappy, do you think the young women that don't previously know of Bill's infidelities will vote against her because of that ? It just seems to me there is a fairly large chunk of women voters who have been cheated on that would take offense to being labeled as enablers. I had to work a little to find what you were referring to. I guess we'll have to ask some other questions before your question makes sense. The first would be whether Trump's success is dependent upon gaining the women voters that identify with Hillary. You asked essentially about his alienating women but would the same (erroneous) perspective tend to strengthen or gain support from some men? Actually, Trump didn't say it was her fault that he screwed around. What he said is that by attacking the women that claimed (correctly) that he attacked them or used his authority and influence against them she did in fact enable his behavior. This was in response to Hillary playing the "I'm a woman and Donald Trump is anti-woman" card. Donald simply pointed out that it was a bit inconsistent for Clinton to claim to be the hero for women when in fact she had attacked the female victims who had been abused by Bill Clinton. I'm seeing that those who wish to justify their dislike for one candidate or the other will see a particular situation or exchange in a completely different light than those who want to support that candidate. I'll be honest with you (Is that unusual?), I won't be voting so much for Donald Trump as I will be voting for whoever is the other choice from Hillary Clinton. I would have given her husband the same consideration. |
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« Reply #13 on: May 10, 2016, 07:48:18 AM » |
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Not unusual in the least  I appreciate your perspective . As usual I probably didn't word my question correctly. I'm sure it will garner support from some men. But it doesn't seem that is his weakness. From a strategic sense it would seem smart to strengthen your weakness not expand it. |
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