David Who???

[Rams]

Conservative Tennessee attorney David French is urged to enter presidential race as independent

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/05/31/conservative-tennessee-attorney-david-french-is-urged-to-enter-presidential-race-as-independent/

I'm about as conservative as they come but, give me a break.      Mr. French has less chance of making a splash than a snowball's chance in hell.  Unless his goal is to take votes away from Trump, he's just wasting our/his time and money.

My guess is, he thinks Hilary is a better choice than the Donald.    Personally, this makes me question his credentials and his stated goals.

Edited:   After thinking about this for a few minutes, I've come to the conclusion that this is a pre-emptive move to get some name recognition for a future political run.    Could be wrong but, that's all I can come up with.   If you've got an informed or uninformed opinion, I'd sure like to understand why Mr. French has chosen at this late date to step into the ring.    I honestly can't figure it out.

[MP]

Bill Crystal is talking him into it.  Bill has such a hatred of Trump, he is willing to turn the Supreme Court over, just to beat Trump. I USED to like Bill. I have NEVER had a "perfect" to me candidate to vote for.  I vote for the one closest to what I believe in. To try to get Hillary elected, because you do not believe Trump is Conservative enough, is stupid. You wind up with someone who is a LOT more Liberal. Nuts.

[Crackerborn]

There are many conservatives (including myself) that feel our vote should go to the most qualified conservative candidate. That pretty much excludes either major party selection.

Elvis for President with Steamboat Willie as running mate will be my choice unless a third choice surfaces.

[MP]

There are many conservatives (including myself) that feel our vote should go to the most qualified conservative candidate. That pretty much excludes either major party selection.

Elvis for President with Steamboat Willie as running mate will be my choice unless a third choice surfaces.

Then we can thank you if Hillary is elected, because your non vote, is a vote for her.

[Crackerborn]

There are many conservatives (including myself) that feel our vote should go to the most qualified conservative candidate. That pretty much excludes either major party selection.

Elvis for President with Steamboat Willie as running mate will be my choice unless a third choice surfaces.

Then we can thank you if Hillary is elected, because your non vote, is a vote for her.

No, you can thank me for maintaining my principles.

[Rams]

There are many conservatives (including myself) that feel our vote should go to the most qualified conservative candidate. That pretty much excludes either major party selection.

Elvis for President with Steamboat Willie as running mate will be my choice unless a third choice surfaces.

Then we can thank you if Hillary is elected, because your non vote, is a vote for her.

No, you can thank me for maintaining my principles.

While I understand your principles and appreciate the fact that you have them but, your principles will put Hilary in the White House.    I voted third party when Ross Perot ran, I still feel guilty about helping Wild Bill get elected.   

[G-Man]

There are many conservatives (including myself) that feel our vote should go to the most qualified conservative candidate. That pretty much excludes either major party selection.

Elvis for President with Steamboat Willie as running mate will be my choice unless a third choice surfaces.

Then we can thank you if Hillary is elected, because your non vote, is a vote for her.

No, you can thank me for maintaining my principles.

No thanks.

Principles, Shminciples! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

When there are only two REAL candidates, a vote for a third is a vote against one of the other two and not FOR anything because the third party candidate will not win anyway.  A vote does not have to be for a certain candidate, but can also be as effective voting against a certain candidate, but a third party vote, right now, is a vote against two, and in actuallity, for the one you didn't want in the first place.

That's reality and has nothing to do with principles.

Like a previous poster stated:  Voting against Trump because you think he's not conservative enough only gets you Clinton who is a HECK of a lot more liberal than Trump could ever be.

And Clinton lied to the parents of dead soldiers.  

[Crackerborn]

 I have been holding my nose and voting for many cycles now.  Assuming the two presumptive candidates of the major parties continue as expected, I might well be voting for a dead skunk or a dead polecat. Which is your choice?  I have the right and the principles to vote for neither. You also have the right to vote for the candidate of your choice.  Unless a third party candidate becomes an option, i.e. the Libertarian party, I will vote for the conservative candidates on the state and federal levels and not vote in the Presidential race since there are no conservatives on the ballot. If you wish to assign blame for the lack of candidates perhaps you should consider blaming the two party system  as it is currently established. I  believe neither major party candidate is qualified to be commander-in-chief. I believe the office deserves more respect than the current  occupant has given it and feel these two options will be more of the same.  Thus neither will receive my vote.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I have been holding my nose and voting for many cycles now.  Assuming the two presumptive candidates of the major parties continue as expected, I might well be voting for a dead skunk or a dead polecat. Which is your choice?  I have the right and the principles to vote for neither. You also have the right to vote for the candidate of your choice.  Unless a third party candidate becomes an option, i.e. the Libertarian party, I will vote for the conservative candidates on the state and federal levels and not vote in the Presidential race since there are no conservatives on the ballot. If you wish to assign blame for the lack of candidates perhaps you should consider blaming the two party system  as it is currently established. I  believe neither major party candidate is qualified to be commander-in-chief. I believe the office deserves more respect than the current  occupant has given it and feel these two options will be more of the same.  Thus neither will receive my vote.

Although my politics are different than yours I see nothing wrong with your logic. We cry about our politicians not having principles we throw ours out with the bath water. Until we as a people get a back bone we will continue with this same 2 party system we have.

[G-Man]

I have been holding my nose and voting for many cycles now.  Assuming the two presumptive candidates of the major parties continue as expected, I might well be voting for a dead skunk or a dead polecat. Which is your choice?  I have the right and the principles to vote for neither. You also have the right to vote for the candidate of your choice.  Unless a third party candidate becomes an option, i.e. the Libertarian party, I will vote for the conservative candidates on the state and federal levels and not vote in the Presidential race since there are no conservatives on the ballot. If you wish to assign blame for the lack of candidates perhaps you should consider blaming the two party system  as it is currently established. I  believe neither major party candidate is qualified to be commander-in-chief. I believe the office deserves more respect than the current  occupant has given it and feel these two options will be more of the same.  Thus neither will receive my vote.

Although my politics are different than yours I see nothing wrong with your logic. We cry about our politicians not having principles we throw ours out with the bath water. Until we as a people get a back bone we will continue with this same 2 party system we have.

Which ever way you lean politically, not voting is the same as a vote for the opposition.  Period.

You can justify it anyway you like, but that's what it is.

This is the system we have, right now.  Lamenting for another system or more parties at this time is a waste of time.  And Lamenting that you're candidate lost in the primaries and not voting for the primary winner of your party is childlike.

If you lean to the right, and vote third party or not at all, it is a nod to Clinton and her progressive policies and her supreme court nominees.  YES, it is.  By default, you have given her an advantage. 

So if you do CHOOSE to not vote for your parties candidate you are contributing to what you disagree with and I feel quite selfish because it's the country that suffers, not just the individuals, that is affected by the liberal policies.

And remember, a vote for Clinton, and a non-vote for her opponent, is a vote for a person who lied to the parents of dead soldiers.

[Jess from VA]

There are many conservatives (including myself) that feel our vote should go to the most qualified conservative candidate. That pretty much excludes either major party selection.

Elvis for President with Steamboat Willie as running mate will be my choice unless a third choice surfaces.

Then we can thank you if Hillary is elected, because your non vote, is a vote for her.

No, you can thank me for maintaining my principles.

No thanks.

Principles, Shminciples! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

When there are only two REAL candidates, a vote for a third is a vote against one of the other two and not FOR anything because the third party candidate will not win anyway.  A vote does not have to be for a certain candidate, but can also be as effective voting against a certain candidate, but a third party vote, right now, is a vote against two, and in actuallity, for the one you didn't want in the first place.

That's reality and has nothing to do with principles.

Like a previous poster stated:  Voting against Trump because you think he's not conservative enough only gets you Clinton who is a HECK of a lot more liberal than Trump could ever be.

And Clinton lied to the parents of dead soldiers.  

Absolutely, unequivocally right Gary!!  

As a caveat, I can certainly see voting your conscience in State and local elections, and anytime it is certain to go to one person (party), no matter how you vote (as it is in my No VA local elections).

But in national (pres/senate/reps) elections, you must vote for the better of two, if you care about your country.  Make no mistake, the D's in our land vote for the front-runner, in droves.  Thus, eight years of bill (I voted for Perot too), and eight more of the zero.  

Any vote for a 3d pty conservative (other than the font-runner), is a vote for the democratic candidate. Period.  (Unless you are certain your district will go to X no matter how you vote)

The coming election is very important and is liable to be closer than any in a long time.  We need to all hang together.... or all hang separately.  (BF)

[Crackerborn]

There are many conservatives (including myself) that feel our vote should go to the most qualified conservative candidate. That pretty much excludes either major party selection.

Elvis for President with Steamboat Willie as running mate will be my choice unless a third choice surfaces.

Then we can thank you if Hillary is elected, because your non vote, is a vote for her.

No, you can thank me for maintaining my principles.

No thanks.

Principles, Shminciples! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

When there are only two REAL candidates, a vote for a third is a vote against one of the other two and not FOR anything because the third party candidate will not win anyway.  A vote does not have to be for a certain candidate, but can also be as effective voting against a certain candidate, but a third party vote, right now, is a vote against two, and in actuallity, for the one you didn't want in the first place.

That's reality and has nothing to do with principles.

Like a previous poster stated:  Voting against Trump because you think he's not conservative enough only gets you Clinton who is a HECK of a lot more liberal than Trump could ever be.

And Clinton lied to the parents of dead soldiers. 

Absolutely, unequivocally right Gary!! 

As a caveat, I can certainly see voting your conscience in State and local elections, and anytime it is certain to go to one person (party), no matter how you vote (as it is in my No VA local elections).

But in national (pres/senate/reps) elections, you must vote for the better of two, if you care about your country.  Make no mistake, the D's in our land vote for the front-runner, in droves.  Thus, eight years of bill (I voted for Perot too), and eight more of the zero. 

Any vote for a 3d pty conservative (other than the font-runner), is a vote for the democratic candidate. Period.  (Unless you are certain your district will go to X no matter how you vote)

The coming election is very important and is liable to be closer than any for a long time.  We need to all hang together.... or all hang separately.  (BF)

I am going to respectfully disagree with your logic. If our founding fathers had followed that logic, we might all be speaking the King's English today. If enough people are willing to vote a third party, that third party could carry the election. If I choose to not recognize either major party, that is MY choice, at least until the brown-shirts start burning books and we follow the Roman Empire into the night. When both major party candidates are so seriously flawed, someone needs to take a stand and attempt to make sure neither are elected. The Democrats candidate would be seriously challenged to effectively lead a Brownie troop, while the Republicans seem intent on placing a flim-flam man in the Oval Office. I reject both of these possible candidates for the Executive Office as morally corrupt (even more than the usual, run-of-the-mill politician) and will vote my conscience. Perhaps more should do the same rather than running toward the abyss.

FYI, only the Libertarian Party will have a candidate on the ballot in all 50 states other than the two parties that seem to think we are lemmings.

[Jess from VA]

When both major party candidates are so seriously flawed, someone needs to take a stand and attempt to make sure neither are elected.

However true that may be at some point in the future, it will not and can not happen this November. 

And a vote for H (instead of T) will not help us get to that point any sooner (unless you believe a full implosion of the country is necessary to get us there).

I am no big fan of T.  But H is nothing but O, in white-face.... and more disaster, day by day, year by year.

Our founding fathers were in a shooting war.  We're not there, yet.

I am done here.  I do appreciate your principles, if not your logic. 

[Atl-Jerry]

Every time I hear this discussion I understand it less.  You have to vote your heart in the primary and vote your head in the general.  Staying at home or voting for ANYONE other than a major party candidate is (as someone said) a vote for the opposition.  I concur that our election process needs a major overhaul, but we can't do it under fire, and that's precisely where we are.  Were it not for Ross Perot no one outside of Arkansas would have ever heard of the Clintons, either of them.  Clinton has American blood on her hands, your support of her in any way will put a little of that blood on yours.

[The emperor has no clothes]

When both major party candidates are so seriously flawed, someone needs to take a stand and attempt to make sure neither are elected.

However true that may be at some point in the future, it will not and can not happen this November. 

And a vote for H (instead of T) will not help us get to that point any sooner (unless you believe a full implosion of the country is necessary to get us there).

I am no big fan of T.  But H is nothing but O, in white-face.... and more disaster, day by day, year by year.

Our founding fathers were in a shooting war.  We're not there, yet.

I am done here.  I do appreciate your principles, if not your logic. 

Jess, when should we make a stand ?

[Crackerborn]

Every time I hear this discussion I understand it less.  You have to vote your heart in the primary and vote your head in the general.  Staying at home or voting for ANYONE other than a major party candidate is (as someone said) a vote for the opposition.  I concur that our election process needs a major overhaul, but we can't do it under fire, and that's precisely where we are.  Were it not for Ross Perot no one outside of Arkansas would have ever heard of the Clintons, either of them.  Clinton has American blood on her hands, your support of her in any way will put a little of that blood on yours.

What do you not understand? You vote with your head always. I refuse to vote for a candidate  that is the opposite  side of the same coin. One is a traitor and the other supported that traitor  until  5 minutes  ago. To say I support the Clintons, is like saying I support pedophiles; neither is true and I consider it slander to suggest either. If you choose to think The Donald is not a con man, that is your opinion and you are not looking at the preponderance  of  evidence.  With any luck the courts will indict both before November.

[baldo]

https://sojo.net/articles/obama-announces-third-term-executive-action

 

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

I'm a Libertarian, not a Conservative. I also voted for Perot and have regretted it ever since.

This is "the make or break" election of my lifetime. A Clinton supreme court pretty much ends the 1st and 2nd Amendments, probably all of our civil rights, which ends the US. I won't be voting Libertarian in the presidential election, I'll be voting for Trump assuming he is still the other candidate. That is the only chance to beat Hillary, assuming she is the democratic candidate. 

A lot could still happen. If the hildabeast is behind Trump in the polls I expect the president to have her prosecuted and convince her delegates to support a Biden run. By keeping Trump focused on running against Hillary till the last minute it would give Biden a big boost and leave Trump little time to mount a campaign against Biden. That would allow obama to put the final shovel of dirt on the Bill of Rights.

At this point, voting for someone else because you don't like Trump is like eating a dog turd because you don't like broccoli.

[baldo]

I'm a Libertarian, not a Conservative. I also voted for Perot and have regretted it ever since.

This is "the make or break" election of my lifetime. A Clinton supreme court pretty much ends the 1st and 2nd Amendments, probably all of our civil rights, which ends the US. I won't be voting Libertarian in the presidential election, I'll be voting for Trump assuming he is still the other candidate. That is the only chance to beat Hillary, assuming she is the democratic candidate. 

A lot could still happen. If the hildabeast is behind Trump in the polls I expect the president to have her prosecuted and convince her delegates to support a Biden run. By keeping Trump focused on running against Hillary till the last minute it would give Biden a big boost and leave Trump little time to mount a campaign against Biden. That would allow obama to put the final shovel of dirt on the Bill of Rights.

At this point, voting for someone else because you don't like Trump is like eating a dog turd because you don't like broccoli.

 

[Gavin_Sons]

I'm a Libertarian, not a Conservative. I also voted for Perot and have regretted it ever since.

This is "the make or break" election of my lifetime. A Clinton supreme court pretty much ends the 1st and 2nd Amendments, probably all of our civil rights, which ends the US. I won't be voting Libertarian in the presidential election, I'll be voting for Trump assuming he is still the other candidate. That is the only chance to beat Hillary, assuming she is the democratic candidate. 

A lot could still happen. If the hildabeast is behind Trump in the polls I expect the president to have her prosecuted and convince her delegates to support a Biden run. By keeping Trump focused on running against Hillary till the last minute it would give Biden a big boost and leave Trump little time to mount a campaign against Biden. That would allow obama to put the final shovel of dirt on the Bill of Rights.

At this point, voting for someone else because you don't like Trump is like eating a dog turd because you don't like broccoli.

  I knew there was a reason I like you  well, besides the guns and stuff. 

[Crackerborn]

The "You must vote for Trump so Hillary won't win" argument is getting old. How about all you conservatives give me a reason to trust  that Trump will not be Slick Donny (as opposed to Willie) and abdicate everything he has promised during the campaign. He changes his campaign  promises hourly. I can't even keep up with all the retractions.  And don't  forget to check your moral values at the door. Our founding fathers were correct, the general population  should not  be involved in the selection process of the  Presidential nominees, look what populist voting gives you....

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Uu5hzc2Mei4

and it applies to both perspective candidates.

[MP]

The "You must vote for Trump so Hillary won't win" argument is getting old. How about all you conservatives give me a reason to trust  that Trump will not be Slick Donny (as opposed to Willie) and abdicate everything he has promised during the campaign. He changes his campaign  promises hourly. I can't even keep up with all the retractions.  And don't  forget to check your moral values at the door. Our founding fathers were correct, the general population  should not  be involved in the selection process of the  Presidential nominees, look what populist voting gives you....

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Uu5hzc2Mei4

and it applies to both perspective candidates.

One.  Hillary, her daughter, and others, have PROMISED that if elected, she will do all she can to narrow and subvert the 2nd Amendment as much as possible.  Trump has promised not to, and his list of potential Supreme Court nomines confirms that.  Believe it or not, but at least with him, the 2nd Amendment stands a chance of surviving as we know it.  With Hillary, HER Court nominee has been promised to dismantle the meaning of the 2nd.

"moral values".  Are you referencing being divorced twice?  I assume so.  Let me know if something else.  If so, then you are saying a very large portion of the US is unfit for office, as a pretty high percent have been divorced, and I also know quite a few members here are divorced.

Hillary = 2nd Amendment, as we know it today, GONE.

Trump =  Good chance 2nd Amendment survives as we know it.

Which do you want? I assume you do not care about losing the meaning of the 2nd, as you are willing to let her be elected, and are  helping her get elected.

[Alpha Dog]

I have not felt like I could trust the Repub candidate since Renaldo Magnus, and as for morals - why yes even he was divorced once.  Others above have made great arguments as to why - supreme court being at the top.  In 92 I also voted Perot and again in 96.  Heck I still have large campaign posters in my attic from those days for Perot.  Had I been able to read the future I would have never done this and I am sure at least 15 of the 19 percent that voted him in 92 would feel the same and we could have saved the country from this scourge that just never goes away.  This time around reading the future is extremely easy and I see only one vote that can be made.  I am confident come close to election time the pragmatic choice will be made.  By the way Trump is far more conservative than most think, at least in his views expressed during the last 15 years I have been listening to him.  And had the Repubs co oped his fair trade vs free trade and closed the borders in the Bush years they would have stood far higher in standing with the working people of this country.  He has been exposing this since at least the 1980s.

[Roadog]

 
Vote the way you choose that is your right.  Nobody here said you didn't have the right to do that , where did that come from ?   Look at it anyway you choose,  but the fact does remain a none vote IS an assist to H and the dems.    Where will your principles be when  H's  liberal supreme court rules you do not have the right to the 2nd amendment and you do not have the right to bear arms, and the good sheriff is at your door confiscating  whatever guns you might have. Your principles will not mean very much at that point.  Choose wisely .  Please just think about it !

Ride safe
Roadog

[The emperor has no clothes]

What makes you guys think that C.B. hasn't thought about it. Just because somebody comes to a different conclusion than we do doesn't mean they haven't given it as much thought as we have. If we are not going to have principles what does that say about us ?

[Wizzard]

The "You must vote for Trump so Hillary won't win" argument is getting old. How about all you conservatives give me a reason to trust  that Trump will not be Slick Donny (as opposed to Willie) and abdicate everything he has promised during the campaign. He changes his campaign  promises hourly. I can't even keep up with all the retractions.  And don't  forget to check your moral values at the door. Our founding fathers were correct, the general population  should not  be involved in the selection process of the  Presidential nominees, look what populist voting gives you....

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Uu5hzc2Mei4

and it applies to both perspective candidates.

Kind of like Obama's statement on the health care bill,,,, "you have to elect him and see"   

[baldo]

The "You must vote for Trump so Hillary won't win" argument is getting old. How about all you conservatives give me a reason to trust  that Trump will not be Slick Donny (as opposed to Willie) and abdicate everything he has promised during the campaign. He changes his campaign  promises hourly. I can't even keep up with all the retractions.  And don't  forget to check your moral values at the door. Our founding fathers were correct, the general population  should not  be involved in the selection process of the  Presidential nominees, look what populist voting gives you....

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Uu5hzc2Mei4

and it applies to both perspective candidates.

Kind of like Obama's statement on the health care bill,,,, "you have to elect him and see"   

Yeah, just like that....

[G-Man]

Trump also hasn't promised to extend Obamacare to illegal aliens.

Oh right, he also never lied to the parents of dead soldiers.

[Gavin_Sons]

it dosen't matter who you vote for it has already been decided. Hillary is your next President, I'm calling it now. Too many shenanigans going on for anyones vote to matter. 
Yes i'll still vote because i still have this little hope that it does matter but deep down i know it does not.

[Willow]

I will not be voting specifically for Donald Trump but I will be voting specifically against Hillary Clinton.  If there's another candidate that looks like he or she has a reasonable chance of defeating Clinton then that's where my vote will go.  As of now it looks like I will be voting for the Republican candidate.  My principles are intact.  I can assure you I am voting my principles, but truly my ideal candidate will not be on the ballot.  I suppose some would say principles would require me to hold my vote but I don't see it that way.
 
The Republican party did have a few candidates that would have made a better president than will Donald Trump.  Based upon the primary voters' responses I don't think any of them had a legitimate chance of defeating the Democratic ticket.  I'm sorry for that. 

I would prefer that every voter in the country were exactly like me.  Wouldn't that be a great place to live?
 

[Jess from VA]

I will not be voting specifically for Donald Trump but I will be voting specifically against Hillary Clinton.  If there's another candidate that looks like he or she has a reasonable chance of defeating Clinton then that's where my vote will go.  As of now it looks like I will be voting for the Republican candidate.  My principles are intact.  I can assure you I am voting my principles, but truly my ideal candidate will not be on the ballot.  I suppose some would say principles would require me to hold my vote but I don't see it that way.
 
The Republican party did have a few candidates that would have made a better president than will Donald Trump.  Based upon the primary voters' responses I don't think any of them had a legitimate chance of defeating the Democratic ticket.  I'm sorry for that. 

I would prefer that every voter in the country were exactly like me.  Wouldn't that be a great place to live?
 

Yer' damn skippy it would.   

[The emperor has no clothes]

I will not be voting specifically for Donald Trump but I will be voting specifically against Hillary Clinton.  If there's another candidate that looks like he or she has a reasonable chance of defeating Clinton then that's where my vote will go.  As of now it looks like I will be voting for the Republican candidate.  My principles are intact.  I can assure you I am voting my principles, but truly my ideal candidate will not be on the ballot.  I suppose some would say principles would require me to hold my vote but I don't see it that way.
 
The Republican party did have a few candidates that would have made a better president than will Donald Trump.  Based upon the primary voters' responses I don't think any of them had a legitimate chance of defeating the Democratic ticket.  I'm sorry for that. 

I would prefer that every voter in the country were exactly like me.  Wouldn't that be a great place to live?
 

No...........