Did Clinton lie?

[mike72903]

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/feb/09/what-did-hillary-clinton-tell-families-people-who-/

I realize none here who take as fact the statement "she lied to the parents of dead soldiers" will be swayed by facts presented here by the Pulitzer Prize winning Politifact.  And that it's a libatard publication possibly owned by the Clintons.  The article reaches no conclusion one way or the other but interviewed the parents afterward, most of whom recall no mention of a video.

[baldo]

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/feb/09/what-did-hillary-clinton-tell-families-people-who-/

I realize none here who take as fact the statement "she lied to the parents of dead soldiers" will be swayed by facts presented here by the Pulitzer Prize winning Politifact.  And that it's a libatard publication possibly owned by the Clintons.  The article reaches no conclusion one way or the other but interviewed the parents afterward, most of whom recall no mention of a video.

I've had this 'in my back pocket' for awhile now, but simply decided not to use it. They won't believe anything other than what they want to believe.....

[mike72903]

I know. I don't even expect anyone to actually read it or respond to it in any way.

[Pete]

I know. I don't even expect anyone to actually read it or respond to it in any way.

Here is  response for you.
I do not know what she said to the victims families and apparently neither do many others.
And to me it does not matter either way.
I just do not support any immoral, lying, political hack - man or woman.

She has done and said enough already to warrant my not supporting her for anything other than B$T$H of the century.

[Jess from VA]

I suppose all politicians lie, but it is my experience that lefties lie much more often and are much more practiced at it as a result.  She started lying right out of school during Watergate (got her fired), and has never stopped.  But she can't hold a candle to the Zero, who lies every time he speaks (at least in public).   

[The emperor has no clothes]

I suppose all politicians lie, but it is my experience that lefties lie much more often and are much more practiced at it as a result.  She started lying right out of school during Watergate (got her fired), and has never stopped.  But she can't hold a candle to the Zero, who lies every time he speaks (at least in public).   

Uh.... Surely you haven't forgotten Tricky Dick ?

[Moonshot_1]

Did she lie? We can obfuscate this for sure.

But it cannot be denied that Mrs. Clinton, or the State Department, was not straight up with the families involved or the American people concerning this incident in Benghazi.

Years later we still can't get answers and the questions continue to compound themselves.

Try and bury this all you want. I remember the State Department’s blitz on the Sunday shows affixing blame on some two bit video producer for making a virtual unknown and 3rd rate video and rationalizing that the video caused violent protests.

The video angle was just a smoke screen and a poor one. It became quite apparent that no one was going to fall for that stupid story but they continued to try and ram it home.

This reeks. This isn’t just a lame attempt from failing at their responsibility and attempting to cover their butt, but something nefarious is afoot. They are working the smoke and mirrors way too hard for this to have been just an “oops” moment.

This isn't about Hillary Clinton the Presidential Candidate. This is about The Sec. of State of the United States deliberately obfuscating and fabricating stories about the circumstances of the death of an American Ambassador.

Don't care what your name or political party is, you do your job this way and you get investigated harshly. The people deserve no less. Both parties should be demanding a special independent prosecutor to investigate and subpoena. It is not the fault of the people that Mrs. Clinton decided to run for President. She should not get a pass because of it.

[Serk]

I suppose all politicians lie, but it is my experience that lefties lie much more often and are much more practiced at it as a result.  She started lying right out of school during Watergate (got her fired), and has never stopped.  But she can't hold a candle to the Zero, who lies every time he speaks (at least in public).   

Uh.... Surely you haven't forgotten Tricky Dick ?

...at least he had the decency to resign.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I suppose all politicians lie, but it is my experience that lefties lie much more often and are much more practiced at it as a result.  She started lying right out of school during Watergate (got her fired), and has never stopped.  But she can't hold a candle to the Zero, who lies every time he speaks (at least in public).   

Uh.... Surely you haven't forgotten Tricky Dick ?

...at least he had the decency to resign.

Well not exactly. More like a forced resignation . 

[Pete]

I suppose all politicians lie, but it is my experience that lefties lie much more often and are much more practiced at it as a result.  She started lying right out of school during Watergate (got her fired), and has never stopped.  But she can't hold a candle to the Zero, who lies every time he speaks (at least in public).   

Uh.... Surely you haven't forgotten Tricky Dick ?

...at least he had the decency to resign.

Well not exactly. More like a forced resignation . 

Because the Repubs would not support him, could the same be said of other parties?? NO.

[BamaDrifter64]

Was her mouth open???  If so, then she was lying....

[baldo]

The Mother of All Lies.........

yellowcake and aluminum tubes.

[Willow]

In answer to the original question, yes.  There is no room for doubt.

As to whether she did so directly to the families of the dead, there is certainly discussion holding both sides.  

At this point, what does it matter?  She lied.  A U.S. ambassador is dead.  I hold her and this administration responsible.  Then they lied.

[Master Blaster]

Here is the way it really is folks.

http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/oberndorf/160620

[Jess from VA]

Here is the way it really is folks.

http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/oberndorf/160620

Truer words were never written, or were more important to our Country.   

[BF]

Did Clinton lie?

Did her lips move?   

[Robert]

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/feb/09/what-did-hillary-clinton-tell-families-people-who-/

I realize none here who take as fact the statement "she lied to the parents of dead soldiers" will be swayed by facts presented here by the Pulitzer Prize winning Politifact.  .

It is impossible to know with certainty what Clinton told these families in brief conversations at a private reception only three days after Benghazi. Some, but not all, family members who have spoken to the media said Clinton mentioned a video or protests in their meeting. Some said she didn’t mention a video. Clinton says she did not.

There are no facts there is no conclusion and that is the truth in this article as stated by the writer.

So wheres the facts YOU spoke of?

fact
fakt/
noun
noun: fact; plural noun: facts

    a thing that is indisputably the case.

This article is conjecture, let me explain what conjecture means

con·jec·ture
kənˈjekCHər/
noun
noun: conjecture; plural noun: conjectures

    1.
    an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information.

It is a fact that this article is conjecture and NOT fact.

Did you read this article yourself?

This word thing that liberals do is really amazing giving an authoritative and true sound to something that is nothing but speculation. That is deception and lying, as if trying to salvage one of Clinton's many personality failures and lie is even worth getting into or will make a difference. A bag of garbage will always be a bag of garbage and no cleaning or sanitizing will make it any different. 

I so agree with Willows last line
At this point, what does it matter?  She lied.  A U.S. ambassador is dead.  I hold her and this administration responsible.  Then they lied.

[mike72903]

Well done. Now that you have looked up the word you should have no excuse for not seeing that the article made no conjectures at all. I'll copy the conclusion here so you don't have to actually go read it.
"There is simply not enough concrete information in the public domain for Rubio to claim as fact that Clinton DID or DID NOT lie to the Benghazi families". Emphasis are mine so you don't miss it.

Well, I guess it's possible they conjectured they could not conjecture

In reality it is you and others who have conjectured guilt based on innuendo. I don't know if it's true or not so I reach no conclusion of guilt or innocence.

Certainly if you have any actual evidence To the contrary that's more than just nauseating aping of "News" sources  and what you've read on the internet I urge you to contact the FBI.

[RainMaker]

Yes.  All politicians lie.  We have no idea what the truth is.  As Jack Nicholson said "you can't handle the truth".

[PAVALKER]

Are you talking Bill or Hillary?    At this point, what difference does it make......they both lied.

[Robert]

Well done. Now that you have looked up the word you should have no excuse for not seeing that the article made no conjectures at all. I'll copy the conclusion here so you don't have to actually go read it.
"There is simply not enough concrete information in the public domain for Rubio to claim as fact that Clinton DID or DID NOT lie to the Benghazi families". Emphasis are mine so you don't miss it.

Well, I guess it's possible they conjectured they could not conjecture

In reality it is you and others who have conjectured guilt based on innuendo. I don't know if it's true or not so I reach no conclusion of guilt or innocence.

Certainly if you have any actual evidence To the contrary that's more than just nauseating aping of "News" sources  and what you've read on the internet I urge you to contact the FBI.

I have delt with enough touchy situations to know that if you can be interpreted in a wrong way you dont say those words that are open to interpretation. You speak clearly, with clear thought as to what to say and make no provision to allow misinterpretation.  In not being able to establish what was said factually in the public domain and some coming away with the comments said and Rubio picking up on that how do you propose that it was not said.? I see no proof it wasn't said either. Hillary, if she had been of good morals should have projected caring instead of this divided message. All should have come away with aww she was so kind, feeling. 

Although you opened with a authoritative posture supposedly presenting this article as being fact but it does not prove a thing, because not all things are in the public domain 

She lied to the investigation said its no big deal, and had a history of lying, deceiving, corruption, has been indicted has not following governmental laws even to establishing her own email server and Rubio much more believable who do you think we should believe? I guess you would believe the criminal if the cop arrested him and you had to know who to believe.

I guess when you used "will be swayed by facts presented here by the Pulitzer Prize winning Politifact" you were not trying to sway with pointed words supported by NO facts just the credibility of the author and your phraseology, the opinions of all here? She said, he said, and researching it does not equal facts it equals Conjecture until such time as a tape of what was said will be made public.

Here let me write it the way it should have been written, if you had not been a flaming liberal.

"your opinion may be swayed by the researched opinions of this Pulitzer Prize winning Article" 

Now that would have been the correct way to present this.

When you say you present facts then make sure its not conjecture since the author was not there and did not interview or research Rubio or any documents pertaining to this and came to no conclusion. As for Rubio I guess he is the one that should go to the FBI since he is the one making the statements and may have access to documents or information that are "not in the public domain" what a wipe!

[Chrisj CMA]

Did she lie?  That is much like the question did he have sex with Monica?

Depends on what the definition of it is

Even Obama can redefine and spin his way out of most if not all his lies

[mike72903]

Good morning Robert, I hope your day goes well.  We are obviously at complete odds.  You say she is guilty because there is no proof she did not say something and I say without proof she cannot be found guilty.  In any event we are not going to convince one another.  Perhaps if we had once met one another our mutual admiration for our taste in motorcycles might have lead to a fine relationship.  Who knows, the world is a small place and we may make a random encounter and have a "real world" conversation of mutual interests. In any event you may respond as you see fit and I will leave it at that.  Keep the rubber side down, Mike

[G-Man]

I was going to defend my posts with links and videos, but that was already done.  Several times.  I see no need to do it all over again.

If clear video is not good enough, then nothing will be.  So, go on, defend her all you want if it makes it easier to justify your vote for such a disgusting individual.

I will take the words of the parents, sisters, and other family members who have given their stories.  I can see absolutely no reason for ALL of them to lie about this.  But I can clearly see all the reasons Clinton has for lying about it.  She lied about where she was, who she was with, who she was in contact with, lied about what happened and why it happened, sent Rice out to lie to the world about it, then tried to delete all the e-mails associated with it, but Noooooooooooooo, she wouldn't lied to the families of dead soldiers also, now would she? 

Clinton lied to the parents of dead soldiers.  That's the truth and their stories, and I'm sticking to it!

[baldo]

I was going to defend my posts with links and videos, but that was already done.  Several times.  I see no need to do it all over again.

If clear video is not good enough, then nothing will be.  So, go on, defend her all you want if it makes it easier to justify your vote for such a disgusting individual.

I will take the words of the parents, sisters, and other family members who have given their stories.  I can see absolutely no reason for ALL of them to lie about this.  But I can clearly see all the reasons Clinton has for lying about it.  She lied about where she was, who she was with, who she was in contact with, lied about what happened and why it happened, sent Rice out to lie to the world about it, then tried to delete all the e-mails associated with it, but Noooooooooooooo, she wouldn't lied to the families of dead soldiers also, now would she? 

Clinton lied to the parents of dead soldiers.  That's the truth and their stories, and I'm sticking to it!

[Robert]

Good morning Robert, I hope your day goes well.  We are obviously at complete odds.  You say she is guilty because there is no proof she did not say something and I say without proof she cannot be found guilty.  In any event we are not going to convince one another.  Perhaps if we had once met one another our mutual admiration for our taste in motorcycles might have lead to a fine relationship.  Who knows, the world is a small place and we may make a random encounter and have a "real world" conversation of mutual interests. In any event you may respond as you see fit and I will leave it at that.  Keep the rubber side down, Mike

Its kind of like half empty half full routine 

Not a problem, in fact thanks, although at odds on certain issues on this board its so much different than face to face. I would one day hope we would meet and share some wind. Of course after Trump wins 

[solo1]

Speaking of Trump, any one who calls Hilary a "World Class Liar" , and he did, can't be all bad.
 Of course, it didn't take any brains to say that, everyone know it for a fact.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I was going to defend my posts with links and videos, but that was already done.  Several times.  I see no need to do it all over again.

If clear video is not good enough, then nothing will be.  So, go on, defend her all you want if it makes it easier to justify your vote for such a disgusting individual.

I will take the words of the parents, sisters, and other family members who have given their stories.  I can see absolutely no reason for ALL of them to lie about this.  But I can clearly see all the reasons Clinton has for lying about it.  She lied about where she was, who she was with, who she was in contact with, lied about what happened and why it happened, sent Rice out to lie to the world about it, then tried to delete all the e-mails associated with it, but Noooooooooooooo, she wouldn't lied to the families of dead soldiers also, now would she? 

Clinton lied to the parents of dead soldiers.  That's the truth and their stories, and I'm sticking to it!

ALL ?

[Robert]

The following article is a really good update on the many facets of Hillary's email problem.
I have posted some snippets from the article


http://observer.com/2016/06/the-coming-constitutional-crisis-over-hillary-clintons-emailgate/

Worse, the IG report leaves no doubt that Clinton has lied profligately about EmailGate from the moment the scandal broke over a year ago.

Any inquiring mind will want to know how Hillary Clinton is so certain she cannot be indicted over EmailGate, since the FBI’s investigation remains open. Similarly, it deserves to be asked why Obama felt it appropriate to endorse Clinton to succeed him in the White House while the FBI continues to investigate her, since any Bureau referral in the matter will wind up on the desk of the attorney general, Loretta Lynch—who works for President Obama. The White House insists this is no way taints the case. However, since Obama is a constitutional lawyer by background, he cannot fail to see how this creates a serious conflict of interest.

 A new survey indicates that 60 percent of voters think she’s lying about her emails, versus 27 percent who believe her.  EmailGate remains a serious problem for Hillary’s campaign, since it highlights so many Clintonian mores that so many Americans have disliked for so long. Pervasive, carefully planned dishonesty. Lies to cover up corruption and grifting off our political system. Above all, a deep sense that rules are for average citizens, not for Clintons and their privileged coterie.

Although Team Clinton went to great efforts to obscure exactly how Fernando got on the ISAB—particularly how Hillary Clinton’s staff sneakily placed him on the board—this was yet another pay-for-play scam inflicted on the U.S. Government and the taxpayer by the Clintons.

Last week the Associated Press broke a big story about how Clinton’s “unclassified” emails included the true names of CIA personnel serving overseas under cover

Make no mistake, there are more than a few senior intelligence officials in Washington, DC, who are livid about Hillary Clinton’s willful disregard of clearly defined laws on the handling of classified information. Her misconduct endangered sensitive intelligence programs—and lives.

And in the unlikely event that nobody in our nation’s capital is willing to go public with exactly what Hillary Clinton did, it now seems the Russians may do so.

About the author
John Schindler is a security expert and former National Security Agency analyst and counterintelligence officer. A specialist in espionage and terrorism, he’s also been a Navy officer and a War College professor. He’s published four books and is on Twitter at @20committee.



I say, and this is the person that is even being considered for presidency? WTH?

[f6john]

I have a feeling we are going to be seeing that "broken record" a lot this summer and fall. I kind of like it, gets his point across and I don't have to read all of his garbage, a win-win if you know what I mean.

[FLAVALK]

The following article is a really good update on the many facets of Hillarys email problem.
I have posted some snippets from the article


http://observer.com/2016/06/the-coming-constitutional-crisis-over-hillary-clintons-emailgate/

Worse, the IG report leaves no doubt that Clinton has lied profligately about EmailGate from the moment the scandal broke over a year ago.

Any inquiring mind will want to know how Hillary Clinton is so certain she cannot be indicted over EmailGate, since the FBI’s investigation remains open. Similarly, it deserves to be asked why Obama felt it appropriate to endorse Clinton to succeed him in the White House while the FBI continues to investigate her, since any Bureau referral in the matter will wind up on the desk of the attorney general, Loretta Lynch—who works for President Obama. The White House insists this is no way taints the case. However, since Obama is a constitutional lawyer by background, he cannot fail to see how this creates a serious conflict of interest.

 A new survey indicates that 60 percent of voters think she’s lying about her emails, versus 27 percent who believe her. Although she still possesses an edge over Donald Trump in polling, EmailGate remains a serious problem for Hillary’s campaign, since it highlights so many Clintonian mores that so many Americans have disliked for so long. Pervasive, carefully planned dishonesty. Lies to cover up corruption and grifting off our political system. Above all, a deep sense that rules are for average citizens, not for Clintons and their privileged coterie.

Don't waste your time. The liberals will never believe anything negative regarding the beast. 

[The emperor has no clothes]

I have a feeling we are going to be seeing that "broken record" a lot this summer and fall. I kind of like it, gets his point across and I don't have to read all of his garbage, a win-win if you know what I mean.

I'm thinking its going to be a LONG 4 months. 

[98valk]

dated 2008...
Hillary simply cannot tell the truth. Here's her scorecard:

Admitted Lies

• Chelsea was jogging around the Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001. (She was in bed watching it on TV.)
• Hillary was named after Sir Edmund Hillary. (She admitted she was wrong. He climbed Mt. Everest five years after her birth.)
• She was under sniper fire in Bosnia. (A girl presented her with flowers at the foot of the ramp.)
• She learned in The Wall Street Journal how to make a killing in the futures market. (It didn't cover the market back then.)
 
Whoppers She Won't Confess To

• She didn't know about the FALN pardons.
• She didn't know that her brothers were being paid to get pardons that Clinton granted.
• Taking the White House gifts was a clerical error.
• She didn't know that her staff would fire the travel office staff after she told them to do so.
• She didn't know that the Peter Paul fundraiser in Hollywood in 2000 cost $700,000 more than she reported it had.
• She opposed NAFTA at the time.
• She was instrumental in the Irish peace process.
• She urged Bill to intervene in Rwanda.
• She played a role in the '90s economic recovery.
• The billing records showed up on their own.
• She thought Bill was innocent when the Monica scandal broke.
• She was always a Yankees fan.
• She had nothing to do with the New Square Hasidic pardons (after they voted for her 1,400-12 and she attended a meeting at the White House about the pardons).
• She negotiated for the release of refugees in Macedonia (who were released the day before she got there).

With a record like that, is it any wonder that we suspect her of being less than honest and straightforward?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/hillarys_list_of_lies.html

[98valk]

for the two maybe three who have ears but do not hear, who have eyes but do not see,..

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/03/03/new-documents-blow-lid-off-obamaclinton-benghazi-scandal/

[Willow]

I have a feeling we are going to be seeing that "broken record" a lot this summer and fall. I kind of like it, gets his point across and I don't have to read all of his garbage, a win-win if you know what I mean.

The interesting thing about the broken record graphic is how horribly it misrepresents the intended meaning.

The term broken record grew out of the plastic disk era when a scratch across the grooves of a recorded spinning disc would cause the needle to jump from a groove resulting in the same sounds (words) being repeated over and over interminably.  One that was completely broken through would not play at all.

What we do with the language is interesting, isn't it?    

[G-Man]

I was going to defend my posts with links and videos, but that was already done.  Several times.  I see no need to do it all over again.

If clear video is not good enough, then nothing will be.  So, go on, defend her all you want if it makes it easier to justify your vote for such a disgusting individual.

I will take the words of the parents, sisters, and other family members who have given their stories.  I can see absolutely no reason for ALL of them to lie about this.  But I can clearly see all the reasons Clinton has for lying about it.  She lied about where she was, who she was with, who she was in contact with, lied about what happened and why it happened, sent Rice out to lie to the world about it, then tried to delete all the e-mails associated with it, but Noooooooooooooo, she wouldn't lied to the families of dead soldiers also, now would she? 

Clinton lied to the parents of dead soldiers.  That's the truth and their stories, and I'm sticking to it!

Hey, I didn't bring it back up.  But, ............. she did lie to the parents of dead soldiers, and to the rest of us as well.  I know, I know, another pic of a broken record.  It's what we all expect from the left when they know they're wrong.  Like their white flag.  Instead of just saying, crap, she did it.  She stood there in front of everyone at the ceremony, dead soldier's families in attendance, and blamed it on a video "that we had nothing to do with".  Or maybe saying, You know, the families of 4 different soldier's say that Clinton is lying and lied to them so there has to be something to this.  Or finally conceding about all the proven lies, and the attempted cover-up of all those lies.  But nope, there's still nothing to see here except broken records.

What would it take?  If lying to dead soldier's parents isn't enough.....what is?  What could a presidential candidate on the democrat side do to disqualify them in your mind?  The guy on the right filed for bankruptcy and stiffed a few "employees" and he's compared to Hitler.  She lied to the parents of dead soldiers and that's OK?  

[Serk]

Don't waste your time. The liberals will never believe anything negative regarding the beast. 

[G-Man]

Don't waste your time. The liberals will never believe anything negative regarding the beast. 

BINGO

[Pete]

Maybe the title should be changes to "Did Hillary lie again?

[Psychotic Bovine]

I am convinced that HRC could toss a dozen kittens into a wood chipper, torch an orphanage, and beat a nun (all on live tv and in front of a crowd of 50,000 people) and people would still vote for her.  She would then deny she did it and these same people would believe and defend her.