legal non-criminal gun owners will now be listed in a FBI criminal database

[98valk]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/hawaii-becomes-first-u-state-place-gun-owners-210248882.html?ref=gs

Hawaii's governor signed a bill making it the first U.S. state to place its residents who own firearms in a federal criminal record database and monitor them for possible wrongdoing anywhere in the country, his office said.

The move by gun control proponents in the liberal state represents an effort to institute some limits on firearms in the face of a bitter national debate over guns that this week saw Democratic lawmakers stage a sit-in at the U.S. House of Representatives.

Hawaii Governor David Ige, a Democrat, on Thursday signed into law a bill to have police in the state enroll people into an FBI criminal monitoring service after they register their firearms as already required, his office said in a statement.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation database called "Rap Back" will allow Hawaii police to be notified when a firearm owner from the state is arrested anywhere in the United States.

Hawaii has become the first U.S. state to place firearm owners on the FBI's Rap Back, which until now was used to monitor criminal activities by individuals under investigation or people in positions of trust such as school teachers and daycare workers

"As you can imagine, the NRA finds this one of the most extreme bills we've ever seen," said Amy Hunter, a spokeswoman for the National Rifle Association's institute for legislative action.

The law could affect gun owners outside Hawaii, because the state requires visitors carrying guns to register, Hunter said.

As a result, they could be added to "Rap Back" with no clear protocol for being removed, she said.

Hawaii state Senator Will Espero, a Democrat and a co-author of the law who owns a gun, called the law "common sense legislation that does not hurt anyone."

The law, which takes effect immediately, allows police in Hawaii to evaluate whether a firearm owner should continue to possess a gun after being arrested.

"This bill, it doesn't even say your gun will automatically be taken away, it just means local police will be notified," Espero said in a phone interview.

Ige's office said he also signed into law two other firearms bills. One makes convictions for stalking and sexual assault among the criminal offenses disqualifying a person from gun ownership. The other requires firearm owners to surrender their weapons if diagnosed with a mental, behavioral or emotional disorder.

[Jess from VA]

Another place I will never visit in my lifetime.

[Rams]

Another place I will never visit in my lifetime.

Always thought I'd go there some day.   Chances are decreasing with every bill they pass. 

They didn't need my tourist dollars anyway. 

[Simmy74]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/hawaii-becomes-first-u-state-place-gun-owners-210248882.html?ref=gs
 The other requires firearm owners to surrender their weapons if diagnosed with a mental, behavioral or emotional disorder.

Anyone ever been prescribed anti-depressants,  anti-anxiety,  substance rehab or A.D.D. drugs? Maybe that's good enough for them

So, do they get to decide where the line of mental disorder falls after the bill is put in place?  And I wonder if that line can be changed at anytime, just like lowering the legal B.A.C. for drunk driving over time from "smashed" to "buzzed" to "any"

[MarkT]

I predict an armed revolt in our lifetimes. And not long either.

[Simmy74]

Something occurred to me overnight:
If the Orlando shooter was a cop instead of a security guard,  and was in Hawaii instead of Florida with a cess to the database,  wouldn't that give him a priority list for hostage assassination?

It's too much info in the wrong hands for today's technology.   

[therapist]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/25/us/hawaii-gun-owner-database/index.html

[Bighead]

Hopefully the commie that passed the law

[MP]

Something occurred to me overnight:
If the Orlando shooter was a cop instead of a security guard,  and was in Hawaii instead of Florida with a cess to the database,  wouldn't that give him a priority list for hostage assassination?

It's too much info in the wrong hands for today's technology.   

Don't worry.  The gov't has air tight security on their computer data.

Hillary showed everyone how easy it is!

[RP#62]

This is way too limited.  Why just list people that have availed themselves of just one amendment.  Why not build a list of people that have availed themselves of any amendment.  After all, they've got to be up to something.

-RP

[RDAbull]

We are all on so many lists already that they don't mean anything anymore.  If all the citizens are on all of the list, what the hell good is the list?  Have you ever been in the military?  Have you ever worked for a government entity?    If you have ever bought a firearm from a dealer or in some states ammunition, you are already on the list.  If you have ever bought ammunition on line, you are on the list.   It is no more useful than a phone book or a list of Facebook users.  No, I'm not saying it's ok, just saying that's the way it is.

[Jess from VA]

HI gun owners should immediately post up names, home addresses, work hours, workplaces, phone numbers, family members, etc of everyone responsible.  Not that anything would likely happen, but they should be made to feel the heat.  Assuming anyone there gives a sh!t.   

[Roadog]

   chip,...chip,..chip,..drip,..drip,...drip,...

 "And these rights shall not be infringed upon"........

Roadog

[Bighead]

I went out today and spent about 100 rounds through a new pistola I bought

[BF]

http://thetruthwins.com/archives/72-types-of-americans-that-are-considered-potential-terrorists-in-official-government-documents

[Bighead]

Well Damn BF I think about everyone I know is a cursed Terrorist

[Jess from VA]

Let's see:

1. Those that talk about “individual liberties”   Yep.

2. Those that advocate for states’ rights   Yep

3. Those that want “to make the world a better place”  Nope

4. “The colonists who sought to free themselves from British rule”   Yep

5. Those that are interested in “defeating the Communists”  Yep (democrats too)

6. Those that believe “that the interests of one’s own nation are separate from the interests of other nations or the common interest of all nations”  A great big Yep.

7. Anyone that holds a “political ideology that considers the state to be unnecessary, harmful,or undesirable”   Cut it by about half, cut taxes in half, and it might be OK

8. Anyone that possesses an “intolerance toward other religions”   Nope (just one other religion)

9. Those that “take action to fight against the exploitation of the environment and/or animals”  Nope

10. “Anti-Gay”   Nope

11. “Anti-Immigrant”  Yep (only illegal immigrants)

12. “Anti-Muslim”   Yep (only rabid muslims)

13. “The Patriot Movement”    I'm an American patriot (but I haven't had a movement today though).

14. “Opposition to equal rights for gays and lesbians”   Only when their rights trump mine

15. Members of the Family Research Council     Nope

16. Members of the American Family Association    Nope  

17. Those that believe that Mexico, Canada and the United States “are secretly planning to merge into a European Union-like entity that will be known as the ‘North American Union'”   Nope

18. Members of the American Border Patrol/American Patrol   Nope (but I'd probably join if I lived down there)

19. Members of the Federation for American Immigration Reform   Nope

20. Members of the Tennessee Freedom Coalition  Nope

21. Members of the Christian Action Network   Nope

22. Anyone that is “opposed to the New World Order”  Big yep.

23. Anyone that is engaged in “conspiracy theorizing”  Nope

24. Anyone that is opposed to Agenda 21  Yep.

25. Anyone that is concerned about FEMA camps   Yep.

26. Anyone that “fears impending gun control or weapons confiscations”  Huge Yep.

27. The militia movement    Every free, law abiding man from 16-110 is a member of the American militia.

28. The sovereign citizen movement    Nope

29. Those that “don’t think they should have to pay taxes”  Nope (about one third of current would be fair)

30. Anyone that “complains about bias”  Yep.

31. Anyone that “believes in government conspiracies to the point of paranoia”   Nope

32. Anyone that “is frustrated with mainstream ideologies”  Yep.

33. Anyone that “visits extremist websites/blogs”   Nope.  (does VRCC count?)

34. Anyone that “establishes website/blog to display extremist views”  Nope.

35. Anyone that “attends rallies for extremist causes”  Tea party? Yep.

36. Anyone that “exhibits extreme religious intolerance”  Nope.

37. Anyone that “is personally connected with a grievance”  Who on earth is not personally connected with some type of grievance???

38. Anyone that “suddenly acquires weapons”  Nope (nothing sudden about it)

39. Anyone that “organizes protests inspired by extremist ideology”   Nope

40. “Militia or unorganized militia”   See #27

41. “General right-wing extremist”   Pretty much, but I'm only a Captain.

42. Citizens that have “bumper stickers” that are patriotic or anti-U.N.  Nope, no bumper stickers, ever

43. Those that refer to an “Army of God”   Nope

44. Those that are “fiercely nationalistic (as opposed to universal and international in orientation)”  Yep

45. Those that are “anti-global”  Yep

46. Those that are “suspicious of centralized federal authority”  Big Yep.

47. Those that are “reverent of individual liberty”  Huge yep

48. Those that “believe in conspiracy theories”  (only true ones)

49. Those that have “a belief that one’s personal and/or national ‘way of life’ is under attack”  Yep.

50. Those that possess “a belief in the need to be prepared for an attack either by participating in paramilitary preparations and training or survivalism”  Individually, but not organized.

51. Those that would “impose strict religious tenets or laws on society (fundamentalists)”   Nope

52. Those that would “insert religion into the political sphere”   Nope

53. Anyone that would “seek to politicize religion”   Nope, protecting judaeo christian values would be good

54. Those that have “supported political movements for autonomy”   Nope

55. Anyone that is “anti-abortion”  Nope

56. Anyone that is “anti-Catholic”   Nope

57. Anyone that is “anti-nuclear”  Nope

58. “Rightwing extremists”   Well, I don't see it as extremism at all, I'm a moderate right wing extremist.

59. “Returning veterans”    I'm a veteran, but I haven't returned in a while.

60. Those concerned about “illegal immigration”  Big huge Yep.

61. Those that “believe in the right to bear arms”  Giant Yep.

62. Anyone that is engaged in “ammunition stockpiling”  I refuse to answer on the grounds it may characterize me.

63. Anyone that exhibits “fear of Communist regimes”  Not anymore, socialist regimes is a whole nother matter.

64. “Anti-abortion activists”  Nope

65. Those that are against illegal immigration  Huge Yep

66. Those that talk about “the New World Order” in a “derogatory” manner    Yep

67. Those that have a negative view of the United Nations    Huge Yep.

68. Those that are opposed “to the collection of federal income taxes”  Nope  (it's the wasting and buying votes that pisses me off)

69. Those that supported former presidential candidates Ron Paul, Chuck Baldwin and Bob Barr   Nope

70. Those that display the Gadsden Flag (“Don’t Tread On Me”)   I keep forgetting to buy one.

71. Those that believe in “end times” prophecies  Nope

72. Evangelical Christians   Nope

See, I'm just a reasonable and moderate right wing extremist.  (Hey, this was fun)

[The emperor has no clothes]

Damn Jess, we have more in common than I realized.

[Jess from VA]

Damn Jess, we have more in common than I realized.

Damn, now I have to go back and review all my answers.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Damn Jess, we have more in common than I realized.

Damn, now I have to go back and review all my answers.

Kind of makes you reassess your values doesn't it ? 

[Jess from VA]

Damn Jess, we have more in common than I realized.

Damn, now I have to go back and review all my answers.

Kind of makes you reassess your values doesn't it ? 

Actually, no.  I am an open book (on most everything).