Tipping on top of ......

[G-Man]

Already added tips on the bill, or when a delivery fee is charged.

Working at home and tried ordering from the usual pizza store but the driver isn't there yet so I ordered from,....... Domino's.  Haven't done this in 20 years, at least.  At the end of the on-line transaction, I noticed a $3.99 delivery fee.  I usually tip $5 for delivering a pie (the store is half a mile away), more depending on how much I order.

At the end of the transaction page, it is written, 'Feeling generous, you can tip at the door".   

Should I give the driver $1.01 to make up the difference to $5?

[Chrisj CMA]

I doubt the drivers sees any of that $3.99, so to you its for delivering, for him its no tip if you don't tip over that.  I never order pizzas so I didn't know they were doing a delivery charge now

[Jess from VA]

The delivery fee is obviously part of his base pay (whatever that is).  I still tip, but not quite as generous as I used to.

Like always, my attitude on tipping is affected by the quality of service, the attitude of the person, and my impression of how bad he/she is in need of income.

[Roidfingers]

I agree with Jess. I always wait to tip when the pie arrives. And base it of what Jess said. And I always open the box first to see if its right.

[G-Man]

Gave him the fin.

He's hustling and I'm making a living in my underwear.

[Jess from VA]

Gave him the fin.

He's hustling and I'm making a living in my underwear.

A little side business ehh Gary?  Good for you.  

Just make sure all your shots are up to date.  

[MP]

I HATE the mandatory tip places, where they add 15-20% gratutity automatically.  I NEVER tip beyond that.  If I had good service, I ALWAYS tell the waiter that they would have gotten MORE if that gratitutiy had not been added.

[..]

A pet peeve of mine is when the server rounds up the change they give to the next dollar.

Oh boy does that get their tip get slashed.

[art]

Gave him the fin.

He's hustling and I'm making a living in my underwear.

Must be an interesting job.

[cookiedough]

If within 5 miles, I'd go get it myself for 5 bucks extra, gas doesn't cost that much.

I normally do not go out to places that tip, more like McD's and Culvers, etc., so not much into dining out in places that need 20% tips for servers.   I know the servers/delivery drivers have to make a living as well, but usually not more than 1-2 dollar tips on say 10-20 dollar charge.

I figure if they take care of 4 customers in 1 hour, that right there is another 4-8 dollars per hour in pay on top of their probably mininum wage base pay. 

[The emperor has no clothes]

If within 5 miles, I'd go get it myself for 5 bucks extra, gas doesn't cost that much.

I normally do not go out to places that tip, more like McD's and Culvers, etc., so not much into dining out in places that need 20% tips for servers.   I know the servers/delivery drivers have to make a living as well, but usually not more than 1-2 dollar tips on say 10-20 dollar charge.

I figure if they take care of 4 customers in 1 hour, that right there is another 4-8 dollars per hour in pay on top of their probably mininum wage base pay. 

I 'm sure they are glad you stay with McDonalds. 

[Gavin_Sons]

A pet peeve of mine is when the server rounds up the change they give to the next dollar.

Oh boy does that get their tip get slashed.

One of mine is when theynask if I need change. "No, I planned on giving you a 50 dollar tip. Yes I need change because you were a crappie waitress". Then they get very little tip if any at all.

[Gavin_Sons]

Most waitresses and waitors only make a couple bucks an hour and depend on tips they make.

[MarkT]

At restaurants, I set out 10 singles on the table (e.g. for an expected $50 meal).  Tell the waiter, "that's your tip.  For every small SNAFU, including saying 'No problem', I put one in my pocket. Do extra service, and I add to it."  The wife rolls her eyes - but I get good service.  Now.

[cookiedough]

At restaurants, I set out 10 singles on the table (e.g. for an expected $50 meal).  Tell the waiter, "that's your tip.  For every small SNAFU, including saying 'No problem', I put one in my pocket. Do extra service, and I add to it."  The wife rolls her eyes - but I get good service.  Now.

I haven't had a 50 dollar meal for one since ever, but have been to one fancy restaurant once where I only had at the time like 70 bucks cash for 2 of us and bill was around there so not much of a tip that time since no credit card back then either.  I try to avoid drinks of alcohol since crazy high in price, plus some desserts as well. 

McD's is not the best,  I like Culvers and DQ better.   

[MarkT]

Hey Cookiedough - in Burlington, eat at the Pine Street Cafe - good service, great food, good prices.  Family dining.  Great breakfast.  I make it a point to eat there when I pass through on the way to/from Racine.  I'll be there sometime soon in a month or so.

[solo1]

I'll tip 10 to 20 %, very seldom more than that.

I once had a very bad waitress, slow and kinda pissed off at the world (me included).  I did leave a tip.................two cents. She then knew that I didn't forget to tip.

[Willow]

Restaurants in my area, and I'm sure elsewhere also, are allowed to figure in average tips to meet minimum wage requirements for servers.  Many or maybe most servers are paid little or nothing based upon the expectation of tips.  This allows the restaurant to give the appearance of the cost of a meal as much less than it really should be.

I have had my son tell me of a few times when he has worked four hours for less than five dollars because the patronage was down on a particular day.  He normally gets tipped well as he is a very good server.

People who tip poorly or not at all for average service are either ignorant or just self centered assholes.  In my younger days custom called for a tip to start at 15% and go up for exceptional service.  These days the expectation is 20%.  I usually hit around the 20 -25% range but have been known to go much higher.  If you don't want to tip eat at McDonalds.  They don't expect it.

For those of you that save money on tipping or use it unreasonably as leverage I sincerely hope your income will correspond.  I really don't believe in karma always in this world but I do often hope for it.        

[The emperor has no clothes]

Restaurants in my area, and I'm sure elsewhere also, are allowed to figure in average tips to meet minimum wage requirements for servers.  Many or maybe most servers are paid little or nothing based upon the expectation of tips.  This allows the restaurant to give the appearance of the cost of a meal as much less than it really should be.

I have had my son tell me of a few times when he has worked four hours for less than five dollars because the patronage was down on a particular day.  He normally gets tipped well as he is a very good server.

People who tip poorly or not at all for average service are either ignorant or just self centered assholes.  In my younger days custom called for a tip to start at 15% and go up for exceptional service.  These days the expectation is 20%.  I usually hit around the 20 -25% range but have been known to go much higher.  If you don't want to tip eat at McDonalds.  They don't expect it.

For those of you that save money on tipping or use it unreasonably as leverage I sincerely hope your income will correspond.  I really don't believe in karma always in this world but I do often hope for it.        

Having a Mom that was a waitress most of her life I learned all about tipping at an early age. I have no problem not tipping rude wait. But that is the exception by far. They usually fall by the wayside pretty quick.

[baldo]

Restaurants in my area, and I'm sure elsewhere also, are allowed to figure in average tips to meet minimum wage requirements for servers.  Many or maybe most servers are paid little or nothing based upon the expectation of tips.  This allows the restaurant to give the appearance of the cost of a meal as much less than it really should be.

I have had my son tell me of a few times when he has worked four hours for less than five dollars because the patronage was down on a particular day.  He normally gets tipped well as he is a very good server.

People who tip poorly or not at all for average service are either ignorant or just self centered assholes.  In my younger days custom called for a tip to start at 15% and go up for exceptional service.  These days the expectation is 20%.  I usually hit around the 20 -25% range but have been known to go much higher.  If you don't want to tip eat at McDonalds.  They don't expect it.

For those of you that save money on tipping or use it unreasonably as leverage I sincerely hope your income will correspond.  I really don't believe in karma always in this world but I do often hope for it.        

Exactly right, Willow. My wife and I both worked in the restaurant biz early in our working life, and your take home pay is directly affected by tips. Both of our kids currently wait tables and tend bar. Servers are paid I think $3.25/hr. That wage goes completely and totally to pay their various taxes. Every paycheck is a ZERO DOLLAR paycheck. That's the way it works. Some states may be different numbers, but a servers' income is completely based on tips.

I get furious when I read about people not tipping for whatever lame reason they might have (other than horrible service). I'm very happy to tip a minimum of 25% + for a good server, 15% for average. Everybody has to eat, including the people carrying your food to the table. If you can't get past the cheap, there's always McD's and Wendy's. Don't waste the server's time and take a table from an informed customer.

[Willow]

Having a Mom that was a waitress most of her life I learned all about tipping at an early age. I have no problem not tipping rude wait. But that is the exception by far. They usually fall by the wayside pretty quick.

I hope I didn't overstate.  Wouldn't that be unusual?

I have no problem with folks reducing or withholding a tip for really bad service.  What I have a problem with is only tipping when the service is exceptionally good.

As for me I tend to have a problem identifying really bad or rude service as I tend to look for excuses for the server or wonder what is going on that could cause them to be that way.  I tend to bring out the best in servers except they often don't refresh my iced tea soon enough.

I try to avoid a sense of entitlement even when I'm entitled.  That helps.

Oh!  Heaven help me!  Did you see that Baldo and I are on the same page?  

[The emperor has no clothes]

Having a Mom that was a waitress most of her life I learned all about tipping at an early age. I have no problem not tipping rude wait. But that is the exception by far. They usually fall by the wayside pretty quick.

I hope I didn't overstate.  Wouldn't that be unusual?

I have no problem with folks reducing or withholding a tip for really bad service.  What I have a problem with is only tipping when the service is exceptionally good.

As for me I tend to have a problem identifying really bad or rude service as I tend to look for excuses for the server or wonder what is going on that could cause them to be that way.  I tend to bring out the best in servers except they often don't refresh my iced tea soon enough.

I try to avoid a sense of entitlement even when I'm entitled.  That helps.

Oh!  Heaven help me!  Did you see that Baldo and I are on the same page?  

You didn't overstate . But this Kum By Yah is getting spooky. The one thing I usually don't get is enough iced tea refills. But that is probably my issue. I've been known to drink 4 or 5 tall glasses at dinner. (I have no idea how to spell Kum by yah)

[baldo]

Oh!  Heaven help me!  Did you see that Baldo and I are on the same page?  

You betcha....

Try to contain your enthusiasm....

[Willow]

You didn't overstate . But this Kum By Yah is getting spooky. The one thing I usually don't get is enough iced tea refills. But that is probably my issue. I've been known to drink 4 or 5 tall glasses at dinner. (I have no idea how to spell Kum by yah)

I drink multiple glasses of tea (would be fewer if they didn't put in so much ice) as a result of my dehydration experience.

When I was recovering from the incident three years ago I was one day at the rehab center.  I was already out of residence in the hospital but returned a few times a week to be guided through regaining exercises.  I had been at my brother's house in Arkansas a couple of days before.  I tend to not like to use other people's restrooms so I had unfortunately chosen to reduce my water intake for the weekend.  My body wasa still using the fluids to flush out the toxins.

The therapist that day was having me do such things as step up onto a block with one foot, step down and repeat with the other as quickly as I could.  I was showing off for the little girl.  Afterwards I was having some trouble standing up.  She took my blood pressure.  The lower number, if I remember, was forty-eight.  They called upstairs to the ER and went searching for Lori Beth, my wife.  The therapist put me into a wheel chair and told me she was going to take me upstairs.  I collapsed in the sitting position and told her it wasn't going to happen.

Almost immediately I was surrounded by some ten or twelve medical personnel and placed on my back on a gurney.  I would not leave that position for a number of hours.

Up in the ER the doctor tested and tested.  My daughter arrived to say her good-byes.  At some point the doctor had a liter of water fed into my vein.  I was still flat on my back with no strength to sit or hardly lift an arm.

I told them I needed to urinate.  I don't remember how I phrased it.  They provided me one of the familiar bottles knowing I would have to perform the act flat on my back.  Everyone except Lori left the room and they pulled a curtain around the gurney.

I did my best to prepare for what was going to need to be done.  Lori Beth held the bottle in place.

I addressed my partner, "You're going to have to hold your penis."

"I don't have a penis."

"Honey, I have not always been a good husband but it's always been your penis."

From outside the curtain I heard my daughter's voice.  "We're still out here!"

The doctor fed another full liter of fluid into my blood system and measured again.  He told me it was still not what it should be but I was within boundaries.  He told me he was going to send me home and said I could travel to InZane so long as I drank a lot of water and went to the doctor if I had any re-occurrence of weakness.

I swore to myself I would never let that happen again.  Since that day I have consumed excessive amounts of liquid when I go out to eat.

My apologies for the out of context post in this thread.      

[Serk]

My apologies for the out of context post in this thread.      

Lori grabbing her penis is always in context my friend.

[Robert]

Not sure if the delivery fee is given to the driver so I would check. We have a delivery service here and there is a charge that some assume is given to the driver/owner of the vehicle. I asked one day and found out it was not given to the driver but the cost of delivery from the company and the drivers were not paid. I usually tip at 20 to 25 % for bad service it goes down to 15%. But would recommend that if there is bad service you tell the mgr. If you leave a lower tip there are alot of jerks so management doesn't know if there is a problem. Sometimes all servers put there money in a pool also so the bad ones don't get dinged for their lack of good service.

[ridingron]

One of the guys I ride with is a big ice tea drinker. He usually suggest the waitress leave the pitcher. They all giggle and laugh. I look at them and say save yourself some steps. Depending on the group size, he is usually ready for a refill before she leaves the table.

[Chrisj CMA]

Well, it looks like this thread isn't just derailed, it landed on a whole other track, which seems ok because there cant be too much more to say about tipping.  However, about ice tea...I drink my fair share of unsweet when I go out to eat.  However, using tea for hydration is a sketchy practice.  Tea, coffee, chocolate, many sugars, they are not good hydrators.  For someone prone to dehydration I strongly recommend getting used to drinking more water than tea.  If you find yourself peeing too much than cut down on water and tea and use a little Gatorade, but not more tea.  More tea just leads to MORE tea and less hydration.

[ridingron]

 I asked one day and found out it was not given to the driver but the cost of delivery from the company and the drivers were not paid.    

I ask to talk to the manager about the delivery charge one time. Why the charge? The car belongs to the kid delivering. He doesn't get the fee? What does the store do to get the fee?

Anymore, it's a non-issue. The store was close enough for me to pick it up. After way too many screwed up orders, I looked at it before I paid. They don't get a second chance anymore. I pull the order form off the box, showed the manager and explain to the manager why I left without the pizza. Yes, I quit going there.

[Oss]

thanks for the laughs Carl and Serk

I have some allergies (cheese - yes I know that sucks)  so I inform the waiter and sometimes the owner (in fact I always tell the owner of my local places)  and frequent restaurants where I am treated well

Since I am still alive, I like to tip 20% and up if the service is outstanding and it often is

Now if our waiter is stupid enough to say when serving, here is your meal with extra cheese, that amount goes down as I have zero sense of humor about going to the hospital. That has never happened a second time as I told the owner why I am leaving less. The next time there was no joke and a full tip for great service.

Stacy worked TGIF and Cheesecake Factory and would sometimes come home pissed that college students sat at her station tables and left no tip after just having coffee for hours.

Being a waiter or waitress is hard work for sure

[Willow]

...  However, about ice tea...I drink my fair share of unsweet when I go out to eat.  However, using tea for hydration is a sketchy practice.  Tea, coffee, chocolate, many sugars, they are not good hydrators.  For someone prone to dehydration I strongly recommend getting used to drinking more water than tea.  If you find yourself peeing too much than cut down on water and tea and use a little Gatorade, but not more tea.  More tea just leads to MORE tea and less hydration.

Most served iced tea is weak enough to be an excellent hydrator.  The issue with tea as a diuretic comes normally from hot tea that is more concentrated.  One does need to drink more tea than water to meet the daily need as there is still some diuretic result.  I do agree that water is the best hydrator, but then it doesn't have the antioxidants of iced tea, does it?

As to Gatorade, my grandboy recently struggled with an issue that a doctor told him commonly occurred with young athletes because of their using Gatorade to quench their thirst.  He told him to drink water instead but if he has to drink Gatorade that he should dilute it.  Apparently the issue was with the sodium and sugar resulting in excess flushing and dehydration.

Needing to urinate often for me is a good sign, but then I'm old.      

[solo1]

Wow! this post has gone astray and that's ok.

Two weeks ago, I went to the local Richard's restaurant for breakfast. The waitress was really working hard, she had too many busy tables.  Yet she remembered that I wanted regular coffee but decaf on the refills. (too much caffeine gives me the shakes). She not only remembered but kept my cup full.

I tipped 50% .

As far as peeing, I can do so at the drop of a hat. It become VERY familiar when you reach 88.

[Gavin_Sons]

Restaurants in my area, and I'm sure elsewhere also, are allowed to figure in average tips to meet minimum wage requirements for servers.  Many or maybe most servers are paid little or nothing based upon the expectation of tips.  This allows the restaurant to give the appearance of the cost of a meal as much less than it really should be.

I have had my son tell me of a few times when he has worked four hours for less than five dollars because the patronage was down on a particular day.  He normally gets tipped well as he is a very good server.

People who tip poorly or not at all for average service are either ignorant or just self centered assholes.  In my younger days custom called for a tip to start at 15% and go up for exceptional service.  These days the expectation is 20%.  I usually hit around the 20 -25% range but have been known to go much higher.  If you don't want to tip eat at McDonalds.  They don't expect it.

For those of you that save money on tipping or use it unreasonably as leverage I sincerely hope your income will correspond.  I really don't believe in karma always in this world but I do often hope for it.        

Exactly right, Willow. My wife and I both worked in the restaurant biz early in our working life, and your take home pay is directly affected by tips. Both of our kids currently wait tables and tend bar. Servers are paid I think $3.25/hr. That wage goes completely and totally to pay their various taxes. Every paycheck is a ZERO DOLLAR paycheck. That's the way it works. Some states may be different numbers, but a servers' income is completely based on tips.

I get furious when I read about people not tipping for whatever lame reason they might have (other than horrible service). I'm very happy to tip a minimum of 25% + for a good server, 15% for average. Everybody has to eat, including the people carrying your food to the table. If you can't get past the cheap, there's always McD's and Wendy's. Don't waste the server's time and take a table from an informed customer.

good thing everyone here doesn't mind pissing you off.    I tip based on my service. The waiter is there to give you a service, and if they fail or do poorly the tip should reflect that. I have had some very good waiters and they get very good tips. If i get a poor waiter they get a poor tip. Was talking to a local restraunt owner a couple weeks ago and said he pays his staff 3.25 an hour then the rest is on them. He has a couple averaging 48 dollars an hour while the majority average 12 bucks an hour. He always gives us the good waiters. 

[MarkT]

Seriously I tip 20% unless they are outstanding or are really bad.  Outstanding I have gone over 50%, bad they might get 10%.  Generally I'll make a mention either way without being confrontational.

[baldo]

good thing everyone here doesn't mind pissing you off.   

 It's good to have some things in life that you can count on. 

And it's not everyone, just a special few....

[Cracker Jack]

Here are a few thought's from a different perspective from someone who is a little, no a lot older.

Growing up, waiter/waitress were employed and paid by the restaurant to wait on the customers. The customer paid for this service through the cost of the food. Tips were not expected and were given for special service. . If you didn't tip, the service people still got paid. You expected good service and tipped for excellent service. I wish it was still that way

The next step was when the EXPECTED tip was 10% but the help was still paid regardless. The evolution has progressed to the point today where the service people and even the people behind the scenes are expected to be paid through tips and the restaurant's portion is only required by the government so the government can collect the applicable taxes. Many places have a tip jar for carryout. Many restaurant's automatically add a tip to the bill when there's more than x people in a party or at a table, probably 20/25 %.

I don't understand the thought process whereby restaurants can get by without paying the local minimum wage.

What's wrong with the cost of the food and necessary service being in the menu prices. What difference does it make to the customers which way it's paid? That way the service people would be paid even when an asshole like me shows up. I'd hate to be in a job where my take home pay depended on the mood of the customers.

Another similar but unrelated tactic in my area is a grocery store that prices the shelf items at "cost" and then adds 10% at the register. My wife thinks, as probably many do, that the "cost" is what the store pays for the items. The "cost" includes everything including employee salaries, rent, utilities, taxes and other misc. items. The 10% markup is pure profit.

I know my wife, and probable others, mentally compare the shelf cost at this store with the shelf cost of competing stores. Even though this store is the most convenient for us, I avoid it like the plague, she doesn't.

I expect this tactic will be picked up by the competition soon in self defense. If you want to know what an item costs, you have to do a mental exercise on the spot or have a calculator handy.

Rant off.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Here are a few thought's from a different perspective from someone who is a little, no a lot older.

Growing up, waiter/waitress were employed and paid by the restaurant to wait on the customers. The customer paid for this service through the cost of the food. Tips were not expected and were given for special service. . If you didn't tip, the service people still got paid. You expected good service and tipped for excellent service. I wish it was still that way

The next step was when the EXPECTED tip was 10% but the help was still paid regardless. The evolution has progressed to the point today where the service people and even the people behind the scenes are expected to be paid through tips and the restaurant's portion is only required by the government so the government can collect the applicable taxes. Many places have a tip jar for carryout. Many restaurant's automatically add a tip to the bill when there's more than x people in a party or at a table, probably 20/25 %.

I don't understand the thought process whereby restaurants can get by without paying the local minimum wage.

What's wrong with the cost of the food and necessary service being in the menu prices. What difference does it make to the customers which way it's paid? That way the service people would be paid even when an asshole like me shows up. I'd hate to be in a job where my take home pay depended on the mood of the customers.

Another similar but unrelated tactic in my area is a grocery store that prices the shelf items at "cost" and then adds 10% at the register. My wife thinks, as probably many do, that the "cost" is what the store pays for the items. The "cost" includes everything including employee salaries, rent, utilities, taxes and other misc. items. The 10% markup is pure profit.

I know my wife, and probable others, mentally compare the shelf cost at this store with the shelf cost of competing stores. Even though this store is the most convenient for us, I avoid it like the plague, she doesn't.

I expect this tactic will be picked up by the competition soon in self defense. If you want to know what an item costs, you have to do a mental exercise on the spot or have a calculator handy.

Rant off.

You might be surprised to find the profit margin at grocery stores is 1-2%. I've not seen the stores that add on 10% to the shelf price. Is this because you don't have their "loyalty card" ? Every week in the Meat Dept. we have between 2-4 items that are sold below cost. That is not including wages, etc. but what the item actually costs us from the Wholesalers. There is not a day goes by that I am not confronted by customers that think they are getting ripped off. Most don't believe that we sell items below cost and feel they deserve to buy unlimited amounts of something that is 20-25 % below cost.

[Jess from VA]

From outside the curtain I heard my daughter's voice.  "We're still out here!"

   Tears  


I eat where tipping is expected maybe 6 times a year (all riding lunches).  So I tip, fairly (generously if she flirts.  I'm easy.)  

I am not a sit down and order restaurant fan.

I long ago decided food should be treated as a basic necessity, not a hobby or entertainment or a passion.  I like good (basic) food, and I'm a decent (basic) cook.

I'm 20lb overweight as it is.  It's mostly not food, it's lazy lack of exercise.  It's time for my nap.