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« Reply #41 on: July 13, 2016, 06:23:32 AM » |
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Yeah, right.  Right up to this point. Some how, this doesn't seem very respectful to me. Huh? |
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« Reply #42 on: July 13, 2016, 06:24:42 AM » |
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Well, it seems that our little truce didn't last very long  What's the issue? This has been a very respectful and civil discussion sharing differing points of view. I'll check back on page two. If it's still civil, I'll hoist a beer to us all. Well, how's the beer?  |
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« Reply #43 on: July 13, 2016, 09:44:34 AM » |
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Yeah, right. Right up to this point. Some how, this doesn't seem very respectful to me. Huh? I think he was talking about my threat of sending him a poster. |
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« Reply #44 on: July 13, 2016, 10:01:50 AM » |
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I think he was talking about my threat of sending him a poster. Poster? If you want the thrill you weren't looking for do a search on "Hillary Clinton Rally Completely Onion".  |
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« Reply #45 on: July 13, 2016, 10:45:12 AM » |
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I think he was talking about my threat of sending him a poster. Poster? If you want the thrill you weren't looking for do a search on "Hillary Clinton Rally Completely Onion". I think I'll pass all the same. |
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Bob, I read the articles. Assuming they are accurate. It hasn't changed the way I feel about Mrs. Cllinton but it has re-enforced the way I view most politicians in Washington. I didn't see any mention of Classified Documents in the provided information although The Presidential Records Act was most likely violated. Hard to prove without evidence, same can be said of Mrs. Clinton's email scandal except, there appears to be substantial evidence she lied and transferred very "Classified Documents". Please correct me if I'm wrong. |
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Bob, I read the articles. Assuming they are accurate. It hasn't changed the way I feel about Mrs. Cllinton but it has re-enforced the way I view most politicians in Washington. I didn't see any mention of Classified Documents in the provided information although The Presidential Records Act was most likely violated. Hard to prove without evidence, same can be said of Mrs. Clinton's email scandal except, there appears to be substantial evidence she lied and transferred very "Classified Documents". Please correct me if I'm wrong. Ron they could but they would be as wrong as the hildabitch |
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« Reply #48 on: July 13, 2016, 09:10:45 PM » |
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Yeah, right. Right up to this point. Some how, this doesn't seem very respectful to me. Huh? I think he was talking about my threat of sending him a poster. Bob, I was referring to Meathead's offer to select one of the posters from his collection and send it to me. |
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Bob, I read the articles. Assuming they are accurate. It hasn't changed the way I feel about Mrs. Cllinton but it has re-enforced the way I view most politicians in Washington. I didn't see any mention of Classified Documents in the provided information although The Presidential Records Act was most likely violated. Hard to prove without evidence, same can be said of Mrs. Clinton's email scandal except, there appears to be substantial evidence she lied and transferred very "Classified Documents". Please correct me if I'm wrong. Ron, You're absolutely right. In Bush's case, all evidence has been destroyed, eliminated, whatever you want to call it. How convenient. And yet he got away with it, scot-free. Most people never even knew about it. Again, how convenient. Could you imagine the uproar if she had deleted 22,000,000 emails? The same can't be said for Clinton. It's all there for the world to see. Personally, I think this has become much larger than it warrants, simply because of who she is, what she's running for and the relentless attacks by the right. I'm not saying she didn't do anything 'wrong', but it's gotten blown way out of proportion. That's one thing the Repubs are really good at. That's my .02.. Bob |
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« Reply #50 on: July 14, 2016, 02:20:45 AM » |
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Yeah, right. Right up to this point. Some how, this doesn't seem very respectful to me. Huh? I think he was talking about my threat of sending him a poster. Bob, I was referring to Meathead's offer to select one of the posters from his collection and send it to me. Thanks...I was a bit bewildered. |
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« Reply #51 on: July 14, 2016, 02:22:03 AM » |
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Personally, I think this has become much larger than it warrants, simply because of who she is, what she's running for and the relentless attacks by the right. I'm not saying she didn't do anything 'wrong', but it's gotten blown way out of proportion. That's one thing the Repubs are really good at.
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Bob, This is where we disagree. I don't care who she is or what party she claims, it is a very big deal. Classified information is not generally "classified" because it's not important to keep it secret. While I don't know what was contained in the information Clinton put in her emails. Remember the WWII slogan about "Loose Lips Sink Ships"? When a person gets a security clearance, they are briefed about the sensitivity of classified information and the penalties for divulging such information, similar warnings are given at every briefing I've ever been involved in. They even go as far as to mark said information with things like "Classified", "Secret", "Top Secret", "For Eyes Only". I'm advised that actual paper documents are also chipped so as to set off warning bells and whistles should someone try to borrow them now. The penalties for committing such breaches of confidence are significant, all those who get clearances know this and yet, she decided it was alright to put such information in emails. What part of No Stupid does she not understand? Intent has nothing to do with this issue. She should be prosecuted just like you or I would be. BTW, Democrats are just as good at "blowing things out of proportion" as the Republicans if they think it is to their advantage. In this case, American lives could have been put in harm's way. I really don't care what party Clinton comes from, her actions threatened national security and she lied about it. Put her butt behind bars. Honestly, I'm amazed that folks don't see the significance of this breach of trust and lack of integrity and judgement. |
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« Reply #53 on: July 14, 2016, 07:31:57 AM » |
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« Reply #54 on: July 14, 2016, 08:17:58 AM » |
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Personally, I think this has become much larger than it warrants, simply because of who she is, what she's running for and the relentless attacks by the right. I'm not saying she didn't do anything 'wrong', but it's gotten blown way out of proportion. That's one thing the Repubs are really good at.
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Bob, This is where we disagree. I don't care who she is or what party she claims, it is a very big deal. Classified information is not generally "classified" because it's not important to keep it secret. While I don't know what was contained in the information Clinton put in her emails. Remember the WWII slogan about "Loose Lips Sink Ships"? When a person gets a security clearance, they are briefed about the sensitivity of classified information and the penalties for divulging such information, similar warnings are given at every briefing I've ever been involved in. They even go as far as to mark said information with things like "Classified", "Secret", "Top Secret", "For Eyes Only". I'm advised that actual paper documents are also chipped so as to set off warning bells and whistles should someone try to borrow them now. The penalties for committing such breaches of confidence are significant, all those who get clearances know this and yet, she decided it was alright to put such information in emails. What part of No Stupid does she not understand? Intent has nothing to do with this issue. She should be prosecuted just like you or I would be. BTW, Democrats are just as good at "blowing things out of proportion" as the Republicans if they think it is to their advantage. In this case, American lives could have been put in harm's way. I really don't care what party Clinton comes from, her actions threatened national security and she lied about it. Put her butt behind bars. Honestly, I'm amazed that folks don't see the significance of this breach of trust and lack of integrity and judgement. All this, but what really gets me, is when Comey said not to take this as the way of the future. That if OTHER PEOPLE did exactly the same thing, they would be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law! WTH! ie, It's Clinton, A Democrat, we will let her go, for exactly the same thing we will throw others in jail for years for! We no longer have a country of laws. It is dead. |
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« Reply #55 on: July 14, 2016, 01:52:09 PM » |
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Personally, I think this has become much larger than it warrants, simply because of who she is, what she's running for and the relentless attacks by the right. I'm not saying she didn't do anything 'wrong', but it's gotten blown way out of proportion. That's one thing the Repubs are really good at.
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Bob, This is where we disagree. I don't care who she is or what party she claims, it is a very big deal. Classified information is not generally "classified" because it's not important to keep it secret. While I don't know what was contained in the information Clinton put in her emails. Remember the WWII slogan about "Loose Lips Sink Ships"? When a person gets a security clearance, they are briefed about the sensitivity of classified information and the penalties for divulging such information, similar warnings are given at every briefing I've ever been involved in. They even go as far as to mark said information with things like "Classified", "Secret", "Top Secret", "For Eyes Only". I'm advised that actual paper documents are also chipped so as to set off warning bells and whistles should someone try to borrow them now. The penalties for committing such breaches of confidence are significant, all those who get clearances know this and yet, she decided it was alright to put such information in emails. What part of No Stupid does she not understand? Intent has nothing to do with this issue. She should be prosecuted just like you or I would be. BTW, Democrats are just as good at "blowing things out of proportion" as the Republicans if they think it is to their advantage. In this case, American lives could have been put in harm's way. I really don't care what party Clinton comes from, her actions threatened national security and she lied about it. Put her butt behind bars. Honestly, I'm amazed that folks don't see the significance of this breach of trust and lack of integrity and judgement. All this, but what really gets me, is when Comey said not to take this as the way of the future. That if OTHER PEOPLE did exactly the same thing, they would be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law! WTH! ie, It's Clinton, A Democrat, we will let her go, for exactly the same thing we will throw others in jail for years for! We no longer have a country of laws. It is dead. It does appear that way. Would anyone that sees this differently please enlighten me as to how this is OK? |
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Bob, I read the articles. Assuming they are accurate. It hasn't changed the way I feel about Mrs. Cllinton but it has re-enforced the way I view most politicians in Washington. I didn't see any mention of Classified Documents in the provided information although The Presidential Records Act was most likely violated. Hard to prove without evidence, same can be said of Mrs. Clinton's email scandal except, there appears to be substantial evidence she lied and transferred very "Classified Documents". Please correct me if I'm wrong. Ron, You're absolutely right. In Bush's case, all evidence has been destroyed, eliminated, whatever you want to call it. How convenient. And yet he got away with it, scot-free. Most people never even knew about it. Again, how convenient. Could you imagine the uproar if she had deleted 22,000,000 emails? The same can't be said for Clinton. It's all there for the world to see. Personally, I think this has become much larger than it warrants, simply because of who she is, what she's running for and the relentless attacks by the right. I'm not saying she didn't do anything 'wrong', but it's gotten blown way out of proportion. That's one thing the Repubs are really good at. That's my .02.. Bob Ok, lets say Bush did destroy emails. Did he share or forward them to anyone? No? Hillary did, thats the big difference. She shared these emails with people that were not cleared to see them. Hang her ass from the tallest oak you can find. |
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I'm sorry I'm not quite seeing the connection. I know that the Bush Administration fired 8 US attorneys and which was their prerogative, but at what point in the Bush "email scandal" did 4 of them die in a fire fight or the emails classified? I didn't hear about that and if its true that they indeed fired and killed the US attorneys and is proven by the emails then Bush should be indicted too.
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It was horse pucky at the time. It was Dems trying to "get" Bush. The difference is that as the head of the RNC he had a RNC email server that he did RNC buisness on. The Dems wanted access to the RNC emails and decided that they could have it because there was a server in the WH. Clinton was using a private server at home for official business of the Govt, in clear violation of the directives of the Dept. she was in charge of. "She is the head of a government department, she's a cabinet secretary and under the Obama administration guidelines and the State Department guidelines of 1995, 2009, and 2013, say any government business has to be done on an official government account," Perino said. "To me that's very black and white." http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/03/05/perino-clintons-email-scandal-not-2007-bush-email-controversyWhen caught, she lied (thats different) and deleted emails that were evidence in her removing classified documents from govt. accounts. Big difference from deleting private emails from a private org. off a private server housed in a public building. As to Bush firing the lawyers. Bush fired 8, Clinton fired 93, where was the outrage? Oh yeah, it is SOP for a incoming Pres. |
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