opinions on getting gas out of vehicle gas tanks.

[Jess from VA]

With the closest non ethanol gas being 50 miles away, I have decided the simple solution to having non ethanol gas on hand for my gas generator (and multiple other carbureted machinery) is to fill up my car with it.  My 2003 Dodge has about 28K on it, so it sits a lot.  The fuel injected car will burn anything, including month's old ethanol-polluted fuel.  But it certainly won't hurt the car.  And it gives me a nice large, safe rolling gas tank to draw from when I need it, and can be run in the car too. 

I have been looking for ways to siphon the gas out (into cans).  Sucking gas up a tube is not going to happen.

What do you think of this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-EvHaQGXGA

Since my power may be out when I need it, my compressor would not be available.  What about this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpHqraOdMDs

Neither video mentions it, but it seems to me a full (or nearly full tank) will more quickly/easily pressurize than a half full or less tank.

Any thoughts, or alternative methods, will be appreciated.  Thanks.

(If you think ethanol-polluted gas is great, please keep that opinion to yourself.)

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I've seen a hand squeeze bulb on a hose that draws the gas up.

[old2soon]

Couple 5 gal cans-no siphoning AND you now have storage! RIDE SAFE.

[Jess from VA]

I've seen a hand squeeze bulb on a hose that draws the gas up.

Yes, like outboard engines and gas tanks in smaller boats (I've thought of that).  But is the standard outboard fuel line (with bulb) small enough to go through the modern car fuel doors/holes, and is it long enough?  And how long would I have to squeeze that thing?

[..]

https://www.amazon.com/Lees-Squeeze-Bulb-Siphon-Starter/dp/B005X84YMO

http://www.thatpetplace.com/squeeze-bulb-siphon-starter-adapters

https://www.amazon.com/ABC-Products-Generates-Transfers-Flammable/dp/B00RDBML06?ie=UTF8&SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B00RDBML06&linkCode=xm2&tag=duckduckgo-ffab-20

[Jess from VA]

Couple 5 gal cans-no siphoning AND you now have storage! RIDE SAFE.

If the gas in 5gal cans gets old from disuse (even though treated), then it has to go in the car anyway.  I prefer 16 gallons already in the car.  The question is how to get it out of the car tank safely and without drinking any (or fumes).

[baldo]

My grandfather was a pretty clever man. A farmer all his life, he had some pretty interesting gadgets hanging around.

He had this tube that he siphoned gas with. It's about 5 ft long, rigid plastic, arc shaped. There's a stiff wire that stays in the tube. Attached to one end is a snug fitting 'plug' trimmed in leather. To siphon fuel, just put the tube in the tank and pull the wire. Put the other end in a lower container and voila! The action draws the fuel in a nice solid column, works great.

[Michvalk]

You might want to stick a hose of some kind down the fuel filler, just to make sure you can pass a tube through. I have found most newer cars have some kind of block that prevents a tube passing down to the gas. YMMV

[Patrick]

Non-ethanal fuel lasts quite awhile [ well past a year] especially when treated [I like Sea-Foam]. So a full generator tank and a few cans stored somewhere convent and safe, at least thats how I do it.

If that fuel starts to too old, it'll burn in that Dodge.

[Jess from VA]

Non-ethanal fuel lasts quite awhile [ well past a year] especially when treated [I like Sea-Foam]. So a full generator tank and a few cans stored somewhere convent and safe, at least thats how I do it.

If that fuel starts to too old, it'll burn in that Dodge.

Yes, I intend to store it IN my dodge (so if it gets old, I don't have to get it out of the generator and into my Dodge). 

The question is getting it out of the Dodge (without using my lungs). 

[Patrick]

Non-ethanal fuel lasts quite awhile [ well past a year] especially when treated [I like Sea-Foam]. So a full generator tank and a few cans stored somewhere convent and safe, at least thats how I do it.

If that fuel starts to too old, it'll burn in that Dodge.

Yes, I intend to store it IN my dodge (so if it gets old, I don't have to get it out of the generator and into my Dodge). 

The question is getting it out of the Dodge (without using my lungs). 

Well, getting it out of the Dodge is not easy. Its hard to siphon today especially considering how the filler neck is designed.
The fuel line could be disconnected and the in car pump used.  I just wouldn't recommend that for most though.
Even years ago when the tanks could be siphoned I shied away from that. I've ended up with too many mouthfuls of gas over the years. I use air pressure instead to get the fuel out.

[cookiedough]

You might want to stick a hose of some kind down the fuel filler, just to make sure you can pass a tube through. I have found most newer cars have some kind of block that prevents a tube passing down to the gas. YMMV

agree,   I tried running a hose down the fuel filler neck and could not get very far on newer cars, but the 2003 is not that new so should be good to go I would think.

[Robert]

You might want to stick a hose of some kind down the fuel filler, just to make sure you can pass a tube through. I have found most newer cars have some kind of block that prevents a tube passing down to the gas. YMMV

Yes check it, I think you may have a problem getting the tube down also.

The alternative may be see how easy it would be to disconnect the fuel line and jump the relay for the fuel pump and just pump out the fuel into a tank.

I would think the simplest solution would be to buy a few cans and store the gas in a safe vented place with Pri D fuel storage stabilizer in it and rotate every 2 years. They also make fuel cells in most any size if you wanted one tank. I would also caution on the pressureizing the tank if you have a car that has the gas cap left off check engine light.

[Jess from VA]

Here is a third video of siphoning gas (using pressure), this time from the newest, tougher to get at systems.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mGeb9s6yFE

I don't think I have a problem with my 2003 Intrepid, once past the fuel door/hole.

[Firefighter]

I have no access to real gas, so I treat all gas that sits like my generator and wifes motorcycle. I keep the fuel tank full to the top which is important where I live (High Humidy) and a metal gas tank. Keep my Valkyrie full also after every ride. I keep equipment and fuel out of the sun and as cool as I can. I start my generator every month and let it run for a while, I try and ride my wifes bike once a week, and I change out generator fuel once a year, drain it into my truck.

I have learned from experience. If I was you, I would haul gas and store it, I think that would be the easiest way.

[signart]

Use this Crab Orchard, Tn. credit card

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[Mr Whiskey]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-EvHaQGXGA
Since my power may be out when I need it, my compressor would not be available.

Two lengths of surgical tubing, & one of these....
Works like a charm

[Patrick]

Seems like your mind was made up from the original post. Good luck.

[Robert]

One more word of caution you posted a video for the gas tapper, did you notice the hoses he was using? Do you know why they chose those hoses? Its because they are rigid, fairly strong, flexible, smooth on the outside. The reason all those are important is because you have to be able to exert some force to push it through the anti siphon and you have to be able to pull it out. You would hate to have to replace the tank because you cannot get the hose you used out. If one of the doors gets stuck you could also have a hard time filling up your gas tank since the venting while filling can sometimes not work and gas will constantly backup and shut off the pump nozzle.

[Jess from VA]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-EvHaQGXGA
Since my power may be out when I need it, my compressor would not be available.

Two lengths of surgical tubing, & one of these....
Works like a charm

Thanks Whisky, I've been trying to think of how to have a compressor without power.   

I do have a portable deep cycle battery tire inflator, but have not used it in years (and it is really low power).

[Jess from VA]

Seems like your mind was made up from the original post. Good luck.

Yeah, it is.  My gas is stored in a shed three feet from my 2-bike/tools/equipment/full of value shed.  I keep a couple small cans for lawn and leaf, but do not want 10 gallons in there (and that is the only place I have to store it).  Few years ago, lightning hit the neighbor's power box and his house burned down.  I like the idea of storing gas in my car gas tank, which should be full anyway as it sits, except for a couple thousand miles a year.  The car will burn any gas.

One more word of caution you posted a video for the gas tapper, did you notice the hoses he was using? Do you know why they chose those hoses? Its because they are rigid, fairly strong, flexible, smooth on the outside. The reason all those are important is because you have to be able to exert some force to push it through the anti siphon and you have to be able to pull it out. You would hate to have to replace the tank because you cannot get the hose you used out. If one of the doors gets stuck you could also have a hard time filling up your gas tank since the venting while filling can sometimes not work and gas will constantly backup and shut off the pump nozzle.   

Yes well I think my 2003 does not have the complex horsesh!t anti-siphon built in to that new SUV in the last video.

I suppose a trial run is called for. 

[Michvalk]

Seems like your mind was made up from the original post. Good luck.

Yeah, it is.  My gas is stored in a shed three feet from my 2-bike/tools/equipment/full of value shed.  I keep a couple small cans for lawn and leaf, but do not want 10 gallons in there (and that is the only place I have to store it).  Few years ago, lightning hit the neighbor's power box and his house burned down.  I like the idea of storing gas in my car gas tank, which should be full anyway as it sits, except for a couple thousand miles a year.  The car will burn any gas.

One more word of caution you posted a video for the gas tapper, did you notice the hoses he was using? Do you know why they chose those hoses? Its because they are rigid, fairly strong, flexible, smooth on the outside. The reason all those are important is because you have to be able to exert some force to push it through the anti siphon and you have to be able to pull it out. You would hate to have to replace the tank because you cannot get the hose you used out. If one of the doors gets stuck you could also have a hard time filling up your gas tank since the venting while filling can sometimes not work and gas will constantly backup and shut off the pump nozzle.   

Yes well I think my 2003 does not have the complex horsesh!t anti-siphon built in to that new SUV in the last video.

I suppose a trial run is called for. 

My 95 Lincoln Town Car has a blocker in the tube, and you can't siphon gas from it

[MarkT]

Seems like your mind was made up from the original post. Good luck.

Yeah, it is.  My gas is stored in a shed three feet from my 2-bike/tools/equipment/full of value shed.  I keep a couple small cans for lawn and leaf, but do not want 10 gallons in there (and that is the only place I have to store it).  Few years ago, lightning hit the neighbor's power box and his house burned down.  I like the idea of storing gas in my car gas tank, which should be full anyway as it sits, except for a couple thousand miles a year.  The car will burn any gas.

One more word of caution you posted a video for the gas tapper, did you notice the hoses he was using? Do you know why they chose those hoses? Its because they are rigid, fairly strong, flexible, smooth on the outside. The reason all those are important is because you have to be able to exert some force to push it through the anti siphon and you have to be able to pull it out. You would hate to have to replace the tank because you cannot get the hose you used out. If one of the doors gets stuck you could also have a hard time filling up your gas tank since the venting while filling can sometimes not work and gas will constantly backup and shut off the pump nozzle.   

Yes well I think my 2003 does not have the complex horsesh!t anti-siphon built in to that new SUV in the last video.

I suppose a trial run is called for. 

My 95 Lincoln Town Car has a blocker in the tube, and you can't siphon gas from it

So does my 97 Exploder.  We have six motorcycles. a gas garden tractor, a diesel Kubota, generator and 2 cages, weed whacker and chainsaw that all use fuel. Keep several 5 gal gas cans and diesel cans, and smaller gas cans too, with their fill dates marked on them, and if there is seafoam in it.  Rotate the fuels that sit a year (generator, and at least one spare 5gal can) into the Exploder.  Refresh the fuels, re-mark the dates on the cans, add seafoam for the generator and one 5-gal can.   I set up the generator with a petcock and T to make changing it easy.  I would think that would also be fairly easy on the car - might have to put a T & valve on the fuel line, and extra switch for the pump.  But seriously, changing the fuels in cans is not too much trouble, it's only annual and then mainly just for the generator.  The other fuels get cycled through use anyway

[Robert]

So does my 97 Exploder.  We have six motorcycles. a gas garden tractor, a diesel Kubota, generator and 2 cages, weed whacker and chainsaw that all use fuel. Keep several 5 gal gas cans and diesel cans, and smaller gas cans too, with their fill dates marked on them, and if there is seafoam in it.  Rotate the fuels that sit a year (generator, and at least one spare 5gal can) into the Exploder.  Refresh the fuels, re-mark the dates on the cans, add seafoam for the generator and one 5-gal can.   I set up the generator with a petcock and T to make changing it easy.  I would think that would also be fairly easy on the car - might have to put a T & valve on the fuel line, and extra switch for the pump.  But seriously, changing the fuels in cans is not too much trouble, it's only annual and then mainly just for the generator.  The other fuels get cycled through use anyway

Mark look into some stuff called PriD for gas. Have had some for about 2 years now with no problem at all. They make diesel stuff also, but never tried that. The preppers swear by it and I must admit have had no problems at all.

http://priproducts.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/2015-PRI-G-Flyer.pdf

http://priproducts.com/retail-consumer/

[RoadKill]

Why not use the electric fuel pump Dodge provided to pump the fuel out ?

[$ Ball]

 Here's one way to do it , simple and quick. You need a hose,wire and a piece of cloth.

Hose the bigger the better for flow , mechanic wire longer than hose, tie wire securely to piece of

cloth that will just slide thru hose .Thread wire thru hose till cloth is a lower end ,feed hose into tank

Now pull wire out of hose with a quick motion and be ready to put hose in gas can.

Caution it comes out fast.

[Roidfingers]

Why not put a t fitting on ur car fuel line where u turn off on side or the other. if you need gas, open the side to gas can and turn key on. When not. close that one and open other for fuel to car. Easy.

[Jess from VA]

Well more research tells me dodge has had the anti-siphon/anti-rollover spill, ball valve somewhere in the intake (down on or in the tank itself) for many years.  This can apparently be defeated with a small 1/4 inch stiff hose cut with a point on the end, with a lot of poking and wiggling (and the best stuff is supposed to be refrigerator ice making tubing).  I could still get the siphon working by blowing into a shorter 2d tube.  But siphoning through quarter inch takes a while (maybe 8 mins per gallon).

At least with some dodge trucks, you can get under the fender and look up at the fuel intake and see two tubes (one larger intake and one smaller vent), each with a section of rubber hose secured by two clamps.  The clamps can be removed, the hose slid down, and a siphon inserted into the tank from there (probably best from the vent tube).  You may also be able to remove the anti-siphon ball valve from the larger intake side.  But, as opposed to trucks, I am betting this is unreachable without massive disassembly on my Intrepid (or the need for an 8-inch person to climb up in there to do the work).  

The fuel pump is likely inside the tank, but there is apparently a fuel line injector pressure tester outlet that is exactly like a tire valve (with shrader valve and cap) somewhere around the fuel rail under the hood.  You pull the cap, loosen the shrader, blocking a bit of pressurized fuel squirt with a rag, remove the shrader, hook correct diameter tubing to the pressure test valve (run to your gas can), turn ignition to on and the fuel pump will pump, but only for a few seconds (cycling the key seems a poor idea).  If you had access to the fuel pump, you could jump it to on with 12 volts, but if it's in the tank, that's out.  

There may be code you can send the car through the computer to tell it to drain the tank, and that will keep the fuel pump running, until empty (or shut off).  But I don't want to buy an expensive auto analyzer.

Maybe there is another way to trick the fuel pump into running constant without actually accessing the pump (in the tank).  I found this, but do not understand it:  Then, find the fuel-pump fuse, pull it, and use a wire as a jumper between it and a system that provides constant power to the fuse-box, like the headlights, brake-lights, or radio memory.


I like the idea of storing (non-ethanol) gas in my car gas tank.  But more importantly, I like the idea of being able to actually get to the largest quantity of gas I will ever have at my house if I need it for any emergency.  Not surprisingly, there was a bunch of information on this on the disaster preparedness (prepper) forums.  I would think knowing how to get gas out of your vehicles would be something  everyone would want to know.  Of course you can always punch a hole in the bottom of the tank, but that seems like a last resort, even in an emergency.  That vehicle will be out of action, and expensive to repair.

I have two cars with over thirty gallons of gas in them in my driveway.  I'm going to figure out how to get it out if I need to (without punching the tanks) .

[Patrick]

Why not use the electric fuel pump Dodge provided to pump the fuel out ?

Like reply #10.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Why not use the electric fuel pump Dodge provided to pump the fuel out ?

Like reply #10.

I think Jess explained that there are safety features preventing that.

[Jess from VA]

Well, I think the fuel pump can be used, but I don't know how. 

In researching this, you discover there's so many differences between makes that you really need to get good advice based on your particular vehicle. 

I can probably make a quarter inch siphon work, but it may take 40+ minutes to get 5 gallons.

I have a neighborhood car shop that is very good.  I think it's time to drive over there.

[Ramie]

https://www.amazon.com/Koehler-Enterprises-RA990-Multi-Use-Transfer/dp/B0181EDCZ6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1470147008&sr=8-1&keywords=gas+siphoning+pump

[MarkT]

https://www.amazon.com/Koehler-Enterprises-RA990-Multi-Use-Transfer/dp/B0181EDCZ6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1470147008&sr=8-1&keywords=gas+siphoning+pump

I have one of these.  OK siphon pump.  You need to let it hang so the coil falls out of the tubes.  They are too big and flexible to penetrate any security device in the filler neck.