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Brought car in to dealer because rear speaker was buzzing. Was told they needed to order the part. Called today and was told part is in and was switched over to service for appt. Woman from service says can't come in on Saturday for this, only oil changes and stuff like that. I told her I was informed that I could bring it in on a Saturday for this kind of service. I specifically asked this so I didn't have to take another day off. She asked who took care of me last time. So, .................
I told her that "I don't remember his name, and I'm sorry to have to use the description, it was the Asian guy that was the service writer who took care of me that day". She knew exactly who I was referring to and transferred me promptly and I made a Sat. appt.
I hated feeling like I had to ask for forgiveness because I was going to describe someone by their race. Such stupidity.
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I had a similar thing happen to me when I went into a store. The girls asked who was the guy that told you that and I didnt know his name or even see him to point him out so I had to say the black guy. Well I thought they were going to fall on the floor in shock. But they knew who I was talking about and got the guy. Get used to it.
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Only point I make is when I deal with my independent mechanic I talk with the owner or his wife. I also know the other three mechanics he has working for him. But Gary-I KNOW what yer sayin my friend. RIDE SAFE.
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It's not really a PC problem, it's a matter of how you word it. "I spoke to the Asian gentleman in service" will never get you any flack. It's really more a matter of common respect, and the "PC issue" is just that you are asked to show as much of it for others as you expect for yourself. 
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If I had to describe someone, I wouldn't feel bad about saying their race, or where I thought they might have come from based on their accent, or some prominent tattoo or obvious deformity. "The tall, muscular, woman with a deep voice told me you would be best to help find my size."
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Nobody can make you feel any way, it's all in your perception. There is nothing wrong with describing someone as asian, or hispanic, or black or white, tall or short, gay or straight. It would not have been politically correct to call him "oriental" or a hispanic a "spic" etc etc.
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I frequently visit a minority automotive shop, I know the owner's name and most of his employees when I see their faces but, couldn't tell you any of their names. One of the employees is an older white guy. I would have no problem describing him as the "white guy". Physical descriptions are NOT a bad thing when identifying someone. I wouldn't let it bother me. I have no problem with people iding me as that "good looking dude". But, I've grown used to being referred to as that old PITA. 
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« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2016, 10:21:26 AM » |
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It would not have been politically correct to call him "oriental"
Who writes these rules on which terminology is currently acceptable? Some time back I described someone as oriental, I was immediately rebuffed by the person with whom I was conversing. I had no idea that term had become unacceptable. Nor do I understand why it is unacceptable. Another example, from some time back... I asked a customer, a sweet 90-something year old lady, with whom she had spoken. She said she didn't know the name, but she was a colored lady. The AA person in question overheard and came absolutely unglued. She started chastising this poor lady that thought she was being respectful. In her day that term was PC. I remember my parents using that term. [sarcasm font] Perhaps they need to print an annual update to let us know the correct terminology for the upcoming year. [/sarcasm font] People need to be less sensitive and consider the context.
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It would not have been politically correct to call him "oriental"
Who writes these rules on which terminology is currently acceptable? Some time back I described someone has oriental, I was immediately rebuffed by the person with whom I was conversing. I had no idea that term had become unacceptable. Another example, from some time back... I asked a customer, a sweet 90-something year old lady, with whom she had spoken. She said she didn't know the name, but she was a colored lady. The AA person in question overheard and came absolutely unglued. She started chastising this poor lady that thought she was being respectful. In her day that term was PC. I remember my parents using that term. [sarcasm font] Perhaps they need to print an annual update to let us know the correct terminology for the upcoming year. [/sarcasm font] People need to be less sensitive and consider the context. You think it's bad now, just wait until the folks from Uranus get here. I hear they and "Cllingons" are very sensitive. 
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« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2016, 10:32:27 AM » |
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It would not have been politically correct to call him "oriental"
Who writes these rules on which terminology is currently acceptable? Some time back I described someone has oriental, I was immediately rebuffed by the person with whom I was conversing. I had no idea that term had become unacceptable. Another example, from some time back... I asked a customer, a sweet 90-something year old lady, with whom she had spoken. She said she didn't know the name, but she was a colored lady. The AA person in question overheard and came absolutely unglued. She started chastising this poor lady that thought she was being respectful. In her day that term was PC. I remember my parents using that term. [sarcasm font] Perhaps they need to print an annual update to let us know the correct terminology for the upcoming year. [/sarcasm font] People need to be less sensitive and consider the context. You think it's bad now, just wait until the folks from Uranus get here. I hear they and "Cllingons" are very sensitive.  Especially when they get stuck.
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It's not really a PC problem, it's a matter of how you word it. "I spoke to the Asian gentleman in service" will never get you any flack. It's really more a matter of common respect, and the "PC issue" is just that you are asked to show as much of it for others as you expect for yourself.  Agreed, but it still felt weird even thinking I had to apologize. And my whole world is multi-racial. I say "the black guy" to anyone of my in-laws with no hesitation, but not with the rest of the public. My dred bro-in-law always says "the white dude" and I never think twice, until just now. 
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« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2016, 10:42:39 AM » |
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It would not have been politically correct to call him "oriental"
Who writes these rules on which terminology is currently acceptable? Some time back I described someone has oriental, I was immediately rebuffed by the person with whom I was conversing. I had no idea that term had become unacceptable. Nor do I understand why it is unacceptable. Another example, from some time back... I asked a customer, a sweet 90-something year old lady, with whom she had spoken. She said she didn't know the name, but she was a colored lady. The AA person in question overheard and came absolutely unglued. She started chastising this poor lady that thought she was being respectful. In her day that term was PC. I remember my parents using that term. [sarcasm font] Perhaps they need to print an annual update to let us know the correct terminology for the upcoming year. [/sarcasm font] People need to be less sensitive and consider the context. Here's a new book from a Clemson professor: https://www.amazon.com/Home-Place-Memoirs-Colored-Affair/dp/157131315X-Mike
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« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2016, 10:50:23 AM » |
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It would not have been politically correct to call him "oriental"
Who writes these rules on which terminology is currently acceptable? Some time back I described someone has oriental, I was immediately rebuffed by the person with whom I was conversing. I had no idea that term had become unacceptable. Another example, from some time back... I asked a customer, a sweet 90-something year old lady, with whom she had spoken. She said she didn't know the name, but she was a colored lady. The AA person in question overheard and came absolutely unglued. She started chastising this poor lady that thought she was being respectful. In her day that term was PC. I remember my parents using that term. [sarcasm font] Perhaps they need to print an annual update to let us know the correct terminology for the upcoming year. [/sarcasm font] People need to be less sensitive and consider the context. You think it's bad now, just wait until the folks from Uranus get here. I hear they and "Cllingons" are very sensitive.  Especially when they get stuck. 
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It would not have been politically correct to call him "oriental"
Who writes these rules on which terminology is currently acceptable? Some time back I described someone has oriental, I was immediately rebuffed by the person with whom I was conversing. I had no idea that term had become unacceptable. Nor do I understand why it is unacceptable. Another example, from some time back... I asked a customer, a sweet 90-something year old lady, with whom she had spoken. She said she didn't know the name, but she was a colored lady. The AA person in question overheard and came absolutely unglued. She started chastising this poor lady that thought she was being respectful. In her day that term was PC. I remember my parents using that term. [sarcasm font] Perhaps they need to print an annual update to let us know the correct terminology for the upcoming year. [/sarcasm font] People need to be less sensitive and consider the context. Agreed. This is the first I have heard that the term Oriental is bad. Unfortunately some of my family still use words stronger than "colored" . They only say colored when they are TRYING to be respectful. 
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I'm tired of it as well. A few weeks back I had much the same issue when referring to a guy that had helped me in the past as "that young black man." The woman I was talking to was also black and went into this tirade about what to call him. When she stopped for a breath, I simply asked "is he white?" NO! "Is he Indian(red)?" NO! "Is he Asian/Oriental?" "Then what is he?" Speaking rather loudly she informed me "he's African American." So I said...."oh, he's from Africa, I didn't know." More loud talking; "no, he's not from Africa, he's just an African American." I said "OK, then I guess I'm Italian American, my adoptive parents are German American...." at which point she told interrupted me and said that sounded stupid, then added if I was born here I was simply an American. So I asked "was he born and raised here?" She stopped and stared at me, then turned and walked away. Too bad, I was just starting to enjoy our little repartee. 
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I'm tired of it as well. A few weeks back I had much the same issue when referring to a guy that had helped me in the past as "that young black man." The woman I was talking to was also black and went into this tirade about what to call him. When she stopped for a breath, I simply asked "is he white?" NO! "Is he Indian(red)?" NO! "Is he Asian/Oriental?" "Then what is he?" Speaking rather loudly she informed me "he's African American." So I said...."oh, he's from Africa, I didn't know." More loud talking; "no, he's not from Africa, he's just an African American." I said "OK, then I guess I'm Italian American, my adoptive parents are German American...." at which point she told interrupted me and said that sounded stupid, then added if I was born here I was simply an American. So I asked "was he born and raised here?" She stopped and stared at me, then turned and walked away. Too bad, I was just starting to enjoy our little repartee.  I've had similar discussions. I'm not sure if I'm a Scottish American or (what's some one from Wales called) Walish American ________________ (fill in the blank). I have a friend who truly is an African American. He was born in South Africa and is a naturalized American citizen. BTW, he's Caucasian. He gets a kick out of saying that in mixed groups. I always laugh. Others, not so much. Hey, it comes naturally to a PITA. 
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One of my favorites - I was listening to something on the radio, don't remember what it was but the commentator lady was interviewing a black gentleman from England. At one point she started to refer to him as African-Am... then realized he as english and didn't know what to call him. After some awkward silence she asked him what he preferred to be called and he kind of sheepishly said. . .um Gerold.
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One of my favorites - I was listening to something on the radio, don't remember what it was but the commentator lady was interviewing a black gentleman from England. At one point she started to refer to him as African-Am... then realized he as english and didn't know what to call him. After some awkward silence she asked him what he preferred to be called and he kind of sheepishly said. . .um Gerold.
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We have a trainer at work. Takes the newbies in the oil field, and shows them the ropes, and signs off when they are ready to go solo.
I called him an African-American all the time. He enjoyed the joke. Had a black man take offense. Said HE was African-American, and the trainer was not.
The black man and his family have been here generations.
The "African-American" trainer, is a WHITE man, who had immigrated, LEGALLY, from South Africa. He has become a US Citizen, married, and has a family.
HE is truly an African-American, who it is politically incorrect to call him that.
And, the black man, who has been here generations, takes offense if he is NOT called that!
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We have a trainer at work. Takes the newbies in the oil field, and shows them the ropes, and signs off when they are ready to go solo.
I called him an African-American all the time. He enjoyed the joke. Had a black man take offense. Said HE was African-American, and the trainer was not.
The black man and his family have been here generations.
The "African-American" trainer, is a WHITE man, who had immigrated, LEGALLY, from South Africa. He has become a US Citizen, married, and has a family.
HE is truly an African-American, who it is politically incorrect to call him that.
And, the black man, who has been here generations, takes offense if he is NOT called that!
Silly. And stupid.
it is stupid and was started by democrats, to increase racial problems, to divide and conquer the American people. my families are from Europe, So I did put on the last census that I was European-American.
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We have a trainer at work. Takes the newbies in the oil field, and shows them the ropes, and signs off when they are ready to go solo.
I called him an African-American all the time. He enjoyed the joke. Had a black man take offense. Said HE was African-American, and the trainer was not.
The black man and his family have been here generations.
The "African-American" trainer, is a WHITE man, who had immigrated, LEGALLY, from South Africa. He has become a US Citizen, married, and has a family.
HE is truly an African-American, who it is politically incorrect to call him that.
And, the black man, who has been here generations, takes offense if he is NOT called that!
Silly. And stupid.
My cousin married a guy from Egypt. Left when when he was 3 and moved to Canada until after High School (explains his silly accent) and I call him an African-Americanadian.
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"African-American" was widely accepted by American Blacks because unlike almost everyone else, descendants of slavery don't have an exact country of origin they can refer to as their own.
We have Italian Americans that that celebrate their heritage with food, religion, parades, literature, music, art, etc. Same for Irish Americans, and Mexican Americans, and everyone else. Descendants of slavery don't have this.
But, they at least do know that they came from the continent of Africa, which is all encompassing. That's my understanding of it.
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"African-American" was widely accepted by American Blacks because unlike almost everyone else, descendants of slavery don't have an exact country of origin they can refer to as their own.
We have Italian Americans that that celebrate their heritage with food, religion, parades, literature, music, art, etc. Same for Irish Americans, and Mexican Americans, and everyone else. Descendants of slavery don't have this.
But, they at least do know that they came from the continent of Africa, which is all encompassing. That's my understanding of it.
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how about the ones that came from the caribbean islands? large slave trade from there also. do any really know?
The blacks from the Caribbean originally came from Africa though, they were brought over as slades for the sugar cane plantations... Of course, if you go back far enough we ALL came from Africa originally, so aren't we all, in a sense "African Americans" using that logic?
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The blacks from the Caribbean originally came from Africa though, they were brought over as slades for the sugar cane plantations... Of course, if you go back far enough we ALL came from Africa originally, so aren't we all, in a sense "African Americans" using that logic? Hold on now. Did the Neanderthal come out of Africa also ?
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The blacks from the Caribbean originally came from Africa though, they were brought over as slades for the sugar cane plantations... Of course, if you go back far enough we ALL came from Africa originally, so aren't we all, in a sense "African Americans" using that logic? Hold on now. Did the Neanderthal come out of Africa also ? Yes, or at least that is what scientific research tells us.
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I knew there was a reason I like Strawberry Preserves so much, just didn't know the reason.  So, I guess I'm Welsh-American. Well, kind of. Dad said I was a Heinz 57 which I assumed was German. Hmm...............
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« Reply #34 on: August 19, 2016, 05:18:22 PM » |
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One of my W VA friends refers to himself as Appalachian-American.
-RP
I'm a Confederate-American... -Mike
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Serk
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« Reply #35 on: August 19, 2016, 05:19:02 PM » |
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One of my W VA friends refers to himself as Appalachian-American.
-RP
I'm a Confederate-American... -Mike I'm a Texan- Nope, just Texan.
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Never ask a geek 'Why?',just nod your head and slowly back away...  IBA# 22107 VRCC# 7976 VRCCDS# 226 1998 Valkyrie Standard 2008 Gold Wing Taxation is theft. μολὼν λαβέ
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« Reply #36 on: August 20, 2016, 03:43:07 AM » |
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In that case, I'm a Brooklyn-American!!!
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