'Trumpocrats'

[Alberta Patriot]

I have no leading comments:

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/08/23/meet-trumpocrats-lifelong-democrats-breaking-party-hillary-clinton-support-donald-trump-president/

[Gavin_Sons]

cant believe you would post something from Breitbart on here. The liberals will never believe anything thay have to say. 

[F-six]

Well, it's no suprise that there are some democrats voting for Trump. After all, Trump is really a democrat who went republican. And I think it goes both ways, Trump is a Trumpocrat too!

 

[Alberta Patriot]

cant believe you would post something from Breitbart on here. The liberals will never believe anything thay have to say.  

Liberals will believe what Liberals believe...If they are more interested in bathroom gender issues than getting people back to work then they will vote that way I guess....??....but obviously some are tired of that BS...Breitbart is just a messenger for their cause... and don't forget that some of the angry Bernie supporters who might cast a protest vote rather than stay home on November 8th.

[Valkorado]

Well, it's no suprise that there are some democrats voting for Trump. After all, Trump is really a democrat who went republican. And I think it goes both ways, Trump is a Trumpocrat too!

 

By that definition, Reagan was, too!

[baldo]

cant believe you would post something from Breitbart on here. The liberals will never believe anything thay have to say. 

Thank you Gavin. here's some light reading for everyone...again, take your pick.

https://www.google.com/search?q=breitbart+lies&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

[F-six]

By that definition, Reagan was, too!

Back in the day it seemed that most people were a little more respectful...but its like politics has devolved into some sort of  polarized racial trolling match.
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Well, I'm an outsider, I'm not an American, I'm not gonna tell you what to do. But this quote gives me the chance to say something that I wanted to say for some time now, reading all these political posts here on the board. As a very interested observer and a great fan of the USA and the American people I have to say that I think that the last couple of decades you guys lost something that was once one of America's greatest strengths, and that's the ability to work together. At least that is what I think for a long time now. I don't blame anyone in particular, he who fits the shoe, anyway, you know the drill. I fermly believe that you guys really need to find that strength again to make things better.
And I think that the problem is not in the first place the presidential election. I think it's Congress that causes a lot of trouble. You will getting nowhere if your sole purpose of your political live is to make sure that your opponent doesn't accomplice anything. It's not for nothing that the approvalrates for Congress is the lowest in history, the only thing people in Congress do, as it seems to me, is to obstruct and not to build anything. If I may give you a humble advise, I suggest you kick some ass in Congress, and get them paying attention to the citizens who elected them and get them to work for you. If you have a good working Congres, I'll predict that the presidential election will be more fun too.

 

[baldo]

By that definition, Reagan was, too!

Back in the day it seemed that most people were a little more respectful...but its like politics has devolved into some sort of  polarized racial trolling match.

Well, I'm an outsider, I'm not an American, I'm not gonna tell you what to do. But this quote gives me the chance to say something that I wanted to say for some time now, reading all these political posts here on the board. As a very interested observer and a great fan of the USA and the American people I have to say that I think that the last couple of decades you guys lost something that was once one of America's greatest strengths, and that's the ability to work together. At least that is what I think for a long time now. I don't blame anyone in particular, he who fits the shoe, anyway, you know the drill. I fermly believe that you guys really need to find that strength again to make things better.
And I think that the problem is not in the first place the presidential election. I think it's Congress that causes a lot of trouble. You will getting nowhere if your sole purpose of your political live is to make sure that your opponent doesn't accomplice anything. It's not for nothing that the approvalrates for Congress is the lowest in history, the only thing people in Congress do, as it seems to me, is to obstruct and not to build anything. If I may give you a humble advise, I suggest you kick some ass in Congress, and get them paying attention to the citizens who elected them and get them to work for you. If you have a good working Congres, I'll predict that the presidential election will be more fun too.

 
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Agreed, Congress is the biggest problem. It's been almost 8 years of willful, malicious obstruction. The words are right from the Senate Majority leader's mouth.....there is absolutely no question.

And it looks more and more like the Dems will be taking back the Senate and/or the House in November. Then we'll see what happens.

[F-six]

By that definition, Reagan was, too!

Back in the day it seemed that most people were a little more respectful...but its like politics has devolved into some sort of  polarized racial trolling match.

 

Agreed, Congress is the biggest problem. It's been almost 8 years of willful, malicious obstruction. The words are right from the Senate Majority leader's mouth.....there is absolutely no question.

And it looks more and more like the Dems will be taking back the Senate and/or the House in November. Then we'll see what happens.
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Well, if the democrats do the same as the republicans, you won't solve the problem! And I think the problem is older than just the last seven years. I think Congress isn't doing it's job for some decades now.

[Alberta Patriot]

Well F-Six...here we are...a couple of foreigners commenting on American Politics...and yes, I too am a fan of the USA...and I have a lot of family ties throughout the USA so I guess i have a bit of skin in the game...but...
I believe blaming Congress or any other branch of government is a bit simplistic...
I have my opinions on who the myriad individuals and groups are to blame but I will not go there...
Those opinions are best left to those who will be there at the polling stations November 8th.

[F-six]

Well F-Six...here we are...a couple of foreigners commenting on American Politics...and yes, I too am a fan of the USA...and I have a lot of family ties throughout the USA so I guess i have a bit of skin in the game...but...
I believe blaming Congress or any other branch of government is a bit simplistic...
I have my opinions on who the myriad individuals and groups are to blame but I will not go there...

Oh, I sorry, I wasn't aware that as a forneigner I was not supposed to comment on USA politics. I'm out.

[Alberta Patriot]

Again....
Liberals will believe what Liberals believe...If they are more interested in bathroom gender issues than getting people back to work then they will vote that way I guess....??....but obviously some are tired of that BS...
Here is the "Trumpocrats"  Home Page so you can't deflect this movement by trying to shoot the messenger:

http://www.trumpocratspac.com/

[Romeo]

By that definition, Reagan was, too!

Back in the day it seemed that most people were a little more respectful...but its like politics has devolved into some sort of  polarized racial trolling match.

Well, I'm an outsider, I'm not an American, I'm not gonna tell you what to do. But this quote gives me the chance to say something that I wanted to say for some time now, reading all these political posts here on the board. As a very interested observer and a great fan of the USA and the American people I have to say that I think that the last couple of decades you guys lost something that was once one of America's greatest strengths, and that's the ability to work together. At least that is what I think for a long time now. I don't blame anyone in particular, he who fits the shoe, anyway, you know the drill. I fermly believe that you guys really need to find that strength again to make things better.
And I think that the problem is not in the first place the presidential election. I think it's Congress that causes a lot of trouble. You will getting nowhere if your sole purpose of your political live is to make sure that your opponent doesn't accomplice anything. It's not for nothing that the approvalrates for Congress is the lowest in history, the only thing people in Congress do, as it seems to me, is to obstruct and not to build anything. If I may give you a humble advise, I suggest you kick some ass in Congress, and get them paying attention to the citizens who elected them and get them to work for you. If you have a good working Congres, I'll predict that the presidential election will be more fun too.

 
[/quote]thanks for your input, its always constructive to listen to folks who dont have a dog in the fight, they are just naturally more objective. I am sure I'll get some grief for pointing this out, but the folks in congress, they were elected to those offices by the voting public, and bankrolled by organizations made up of citizens. We put them in office, they do indeed reflect our collective values, or lack of values.
I believe totally in your first assertion, we lost our will to work together. We elected idealogues, fringe players, put their by the lunatic fringe that has always existed in this country.
I believe the change came when we as a people decided to "open up" our culture. We decided that anything goes, except standing up the things that bind us together, at the expense of the fringe ideas and beliefs. If we do that, we are looked at as being intolerant, when in actuality, the folks on the fronges, both fringes, are the intolerant ones. Common good be cursed. How else do you explain Maxine Waters and Rand Paul, in the same governing body. These folks will never agree on anything.
And wheter people like it, or  reflect their constituents.

[Pete]

Until the voters hold the pols feet to the fire and put those in prison who break the law, nothing much may change.

[Willow]

It is true that an ongoing problem is the inability of elected politicians to work together rather than in opposition to one another.

I believe a big contributor is the growth in power of the two political parties.  When it became more important to be a Republican, a Democrat, a liberal, a conservative, or a Liberatarian than to be an American we had created a problem.  A solution will not be found with either of the two parties in control. 

[The emperor has no clothes]

It is true that an ongoing problem is the inability of elected politicians to work together rather than in opposition to one another.

I believe a big contributor is the growth in power of the two political parties.  When it became more important to be a Republican, a Democrat, a liberal, a conservative, or a Liberatarian than to be an American we had created a problem.  A solution will not be found with either of the two parties in control. 

See there ? Another great reason for you to jump on the Gary Johnson train. 

[Pete]

It is true that an ongoing problem is the inability of elected politicians to work together rather than in opposition to one another.

I believe a big contributor is the growth in power of the two political parties.  When it became more important to be a Republican, a Democrat, a liberal, a conservative, or a Liberatarian than to be an American we had created a problem.  A solution will not be found with either of the two parties in control. 

See there ? Another great reason for you to jump on the Gary Johnson train. 

Sorry, after reviewing the libertarian party's Pres and VPres offerings I see no valid reason to support either one. May just be me but if you do not support the entire constitution as written, I see no reason to support a pol for any office. 

[Gavin_Sons]

It is true that an ongoing problem is the inability of elected politicians to work together rather than in opposition to one another.

I believe a big contributor is the growth in power of the two political parties.  When it became more important to be a Republican, a Democrat, a liberal, a conservative, or a Liberatarian than to be an American we had created a problem.  A solution will not be found with either of the two parties in control. 

See there ? Another great reason for you to jump on the Gary Johnson train. 

Sorry, after reviewing the libertarian party's Pres and VPres offerings I see no valid reason to support either one. May just be me but if you do not support the entire constitution as written, I see no reason to support a pol for any office. 

  agreed

[scooperhsd]

If somebody would bomb the Capital building while Congress was in session, and by some miracle managed to kill every last Congressperson - I'd cry more for the loss of the Capital building than the loss in life of the members of Congress and their staffs.

The opposite of "progress" is "Congress" .

[hukmut]

Congress: maintain the status quo and try to get re-elected is job 1 & 2.

[The emperor has no clothes]

It is true that an ongoing problem is the inability of elected politicians to work together rather than in opposition to one another.

I believe a big contributor is the growth in power of the two political parties.  When it became more important to be a Republican, a Democrat, a liberal, a conservative, or a Liberatarian than to be an American we had created a problem.  A solution will not be found with either of the two parties in control. 

See there ? Another great reason for you to jump on the Gary Johnson train. 

Sorry, after reviewing the libertarian party's Pres and VPres offerings I see no valid reason to support either one. May just be me but if you do not support the entire constitution as written, I see no reason to support a pol for any office. 

I'm willing to listen. What part of the constitution do you feel they don't support ?

[Crackerborn]

Sorry, after reviewing the libertarian party's Pres and VPres offerings I see no valid reason to support either one. May just be me but if you do not support the entire constitution as written, I see no reason to support a pol for any office.  
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So you would prefer to vote for a suspected traitor or a narcissistic egomaniac, both of which seem to think the office of President is akin to an Dictatorial position? At least Johnson and company have positions more in keeping with the duties as put forth by the Constitution. Somehow I doubt either major party  candidate plans to play nice with those that have different viewpoints once in office. The IRS as a vehicle of political revenge, coming to an audit near you!

Gary Johnson for President.

Oh, and just as an aside, Breitbart has lost credibility with everyone but the Trumpkins. Poor Andrew is turning in his grave.

[baldo]

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Oh, and just as an aside, Breitbart has lost credibility with everyone but the Trumpkins. Poor Andrew is turning in his grave.

Preaching to the choir....

[Pete]

It is true that an ongoing problem is the inability of elected politicians to work together rather than in opposition to one another.

I believe a big contributor is the growth in power of the two political parties.  When it became more important to be a Republican, a Democrat, a liberal, a conservative, or a Liberatarian than to be an American we had created a problem.  A solution will not be found with either of the two parties in control. 

See there ? Another great reason for you to jump on the Gary Johnson train. 

Sorry, after reviewing the libertarian party's Pres and VPres offerings I see no valid reason to support either one. May just be me but if you do not support the entire constitution as written, I see no reason to support a pol for any office. 

I'm willing to listen. What part of the constitution do you feel they don't support ?

To get you started check the statement the libertarian VPres made a few days ago about restricting certain firearms.

[Pete]

Sorry, after reviewing the libertarian party's Pres and VPres offerings I see no valid reason to support either one. May just be me but if you do not support the entire constitution as written, I see no reason to support a pol for any office.  

So you would prefer to vote for a suspected traitor or a narcissistic egomaniac, both of which seem to think the office of President is akin to an Dictatorial position? At least Johnson and company have positions more in keeping with the duties as put forth by the Constitution. Somehow I doubt either major party  candidate plans to play nice with those that have different viewpoints once in office. The IRS as a vehicle of political revenge, coming to an audit near you!

Gary Johnson for President.

Oh, and just as an aside, Breitbart has lost credibility with everyone but the Trumpkins. Poor Andrew is turning in his grave.
[/quote]Your assumption is incorrect and Johnson and company are not on white horses my friend.
And have absolutely zero chance of winning anything, so good luck with that.

I do  not read Breitbart nor Huffington, etc. etc.

[3fan4life]

Oh, I sorry, I wasn't aware that as a forneigner I was not supposed to comment on USA politics. I'm out.

Actually, it can be good to see the point of view from someone who isn't in the middle of this mess and is looking on from the outside.

Most people even liberals will admit that our political system is broken right now.

The problem is that Liberals and Conservatives can no longer find any common ground.

The pendulum of American politics has swung very far to the left (much to the delight of many liberals), many conservatives would like to see a swing to the far right.

The truth is that things work much better when the pendulum sits in the middle.