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Started by solo1, Fri 26, Aug 2016, 07:07:34

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solo1

Leaving Trump out of the mix, I have only one legitimate question.

Is Hilary Clinton qualified to be the next president of the US, BASED only on the known FACTS of her political and "servant of the people" record.  No Fox News, No NYT, no CNN, no MSNBC, no opinions, no innuendo, no nuttin'. No 'free stuff', etc.

A simple yes or no.   After all, a vote in November is also a simple yes or no.

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Good luck on getting straight answers to your question.  :cooldude:

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MotorPsycho

#7
Unqualified people have been elected in the very recent past.  

Also, really terrible actions, like completely deregulating the banking industry and passing the "Affordable Health Care Act," don't seem to have any effect on opinion/popularity polls.

The majority of voters aren't paying attention.  They are too busy playing Pokymon Go and maintaining their Facebook page.

Finally, look into the US voting system, particularly unauditable electronic voting machines, as well as the recent accuracy of exit polls.  There is difficult to ignore evidence that the outcome of elections is no longer in the hands of the voting public, nor has it been for a good while.

Chrisj CMA

It's not the sum total of her experience that makes her unfit to serve as our President.  It's her total lack of character.

A person so devoid of any semblance of morals, or ethics combined with her absolute inability to open her mouth without lying is what disqualifies her in my book.

No human is "qualified" by the usual definition for this job by experience unless they have already been the President

solo1

Chrisj, it's not the total lack of character.  On the basis of my question ,that's subjective.

She's qualified by age, but, once again, based on her record only.  For instance, could she honesty take the Oath of the Office of the President?

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NO,, but just as qualified as our current POTUS

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Of course she is qualified, it doesn't take much to meet the qualifications.

The question I think is whether she should be our president. Most of us know the answer to that !

Chrisj CMA

#14
Quote from: solo1 on Fri 26, Aug 2016, 07:56:31
Chrisj, it's not the total lack of character.  On the basis of my question ,that's subjective.

She's qualified by age, but, once again, based on her record only.  For instance, could she honesty take the Oath of the Office of the President?

OK then... she would have been qualified by the useaual objective markers.  However there is this pesky little law that says once you get caught negligently handling classified material you cannot continue to hold or in the future hold a government office.  So BY LAW she should be ineligible

And, no she could not "honestly" take the oath of office.  There is not much she could say honestly and not be thrown in jail for

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Yes.... she meets the legal requirements to be president.....

And if she's elected..... the Yes again....

She would not be the worst ever elected.... Harding gets that award.... But Taft and Coolidge would be 2nd and third... She'd be maybe 6th on the list...LOL

B

Chrisj CMA

Quote from: solo1 on Fri 26, Aug 2016, 07:56:31
Chrisj, it's not the total lack of character.  On the basis of my question ,that's subjective.

She's qualified by age, but, once again, based on her record only.  For instance, could she honesty take the Oath of the Office of the President?

The FACT that she is a habitual and Sociopathic liar is fairly OBJECTIVE

this article should have her picture on it https://www.truthaboutdeception.com/lying-and-deception/confronting-a-partner/compulsive-lying/types-of-liars.html

MotorPsycho

In the one area that matters, she is over qualified.

She is bought and paid for many times over.

If elected, she will do what she is told to do.

baldo

Quote from: Chrisj CMA on Fri 26, Aug 2016, 09:27:13
Quote from: solo1 on Fri 26, Aug 2016, 07:56:31
Chrisj, it's not the total lack of character.  On the basis of my question ,that's subjective.

She's qualified by age, but, once again, based on her record only.  For instance, could she honesty take the Oath of the Office of the President?

The FACT that she is a habitual and Sociopathic liar is fairly OBJECTIVE

this article should have her picture on it https://www.truthaboutdeception.com/lying-and-deception/confronting-a-partner/compulsive-lying/types-of-liars.html

Man, it doesn't take much chum to get you guys into a feeding frenzy, does it?

Yes, she lies. I don't think anyone has ever argued that point. But THEY ALL LIE. EVERY LAST ONE. I don't know why you think a Presidential candidate has to be fing Snow White. Do you think trump lies? Did you think Cheney, I mean Bush, lied? Yes, I'm sure Obama has been less than truthful, but with these blinders on I can't really pick one out. But I know you fellas would be more than happy to help me out.

If you have issues with policy, fine, great. Those are things that can be debated. What do you like about Trump's economic plan? Oh, that's right. He doesn't have one. But you're going to run to the ballot box to vote for him. You can't stand Hillary because she lies. Alrighty then.... Yes, Clinton is definitely flawed, but she's not crazily unprepared like Trump. I just don't get it.

John Schmidt

NO! For one thing.....she's poor at math. Anyone that wants to raise taxes $1.3 trillion(first mistake) and raise federal spending by $1.4 trillion(second mistake) simply can't put two and two together and come up with the right answer. As once stated on this board, we have a bucket of road apples(horse turds to you city folk) and in November it's our job to choose the cleanest one. One brings much more baggage than the other to this "marriage" which is causing me to lean a bit more to the right this time.

Personally, my voting over the years has been pretty much split down the middle as to voting for elephants or asses. Some I've regretted, and that's been split as well. History tells us we've never had the "perfect" person(mortal), regardless of what our grand children think of us.  ;) That applies to candidates for office as well. When it comes to Constitutional qualifications, that often goes diametrically opposite of a candidates experience. When it comes to experience, a few have not met that qualification.....sadly our present POTUS falls into that category.  Kinda like comparing my flying skill to a Blue Angel pilot. I meet the short list of qualifications; license, age, etc., but necessary experience doesn't exist in my logbook to even come close to being able to do the job. (not withstanding the fact I'd love to take the controls just once)   ;D

solo1

#21
Baldo, you haven't asked the question of yourself. Is or is she not.

I wasn't asking to point the finger at anyone else,  just asking about her past record.

Yes, i can think of many presidents with bad records, mostly after they were in office. As far as I know,all were able to meet security requirements, something she has demonstrated by FACTS that she hasn't done.

BTW here is the Oath of President:

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

3fan4life

#22
Quote from: baldo on Fri 26, Aug 2016, 09:41:38
I just don't get it.


:evil: :evil: :evil: That's the one thing you've said, That I can TOTALLY agree with!  :evil: :evil: :evil:
1 Corinthians 1:18


Chrisj CMA

Quote from: baldo on Fri 26, Aug 2016, 09:41:38
Quote from: Chrisj CMA on Fri 26, Aug 2016, 09:27:13
Quote from: solo1 on Fri 26, Aug 2016, 07:56:31
Chrisj, it's not the total lack of character.  On the basis of my question ,that's subjective.

She's qualified by age, but, once again, based on her record only.  For instance, could she honesty take the Oath of the Office of the President?

The FACT that she is a habitual and Sociopathic liar is fairly OBJECTIVE

this article should have her picture on it https://www.truthaboutdeception.com/lying-and-deception/confronting-a-partner/compulsive-lying/types-of-liars.html

Man, it doesn't take much chum to get you guys into a feeding frenzy, does it?

Yes, she lies. I don't think anyone has ever argued that point. But THEY ALL LIE. EVERY LAST ONE. I don't know why you think a Presidential candidate has to be fing Snow White. Do you think trump lies? Did you think Cheney, I mean Bush, lied? Yes, I'm sure Obama has been less than truthful, but with these blinders on I can't really pick one out. But I know you fellas would be more than happy to help me out.

If you have issues with policy, fine, great. Those are things that can be debated. What do you like about Trump's economic plan? Oh, that's right. He doesn't have one. But you're going to run to the ballot box to vote for him. You can't stand Hillary because she lies. Alrighty then.... Yes, Clinton is definitely flawed, but she's not crazily unprepared like Trump. I just don't get it.

baldo.....calm down if you want to accuse others of being in a frenzy   :crazy2:

The woman is a criminal (that's not the norm) she lies about anything and everything for personal gain.  She broke a law that disqualifies her for office.  We could all love her policies and believe she is the best possible candidate and still SHE IS UNFIT/INELIGIBE FOR THE OFFICE by law.

RainMaker

Is she qualified?  It depends on what your definition of is, is.


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baldo


baldo

Quote from: RainMaker on Fri 26, Aug 2016, 10:04:00
Is she qualified?  It depends on what your definition of is, is.

lol....good one... ;)

solo1

One thing further.  I have been active in small city politics for over 25 years.

. A simple example:  A  person running for the office of mayor needs only two qualifications to run. Age and a citizen of the city.

I've seen poor examples of mayors who rile up their police and fire departments due to stupidity and just plain wanting power. However, cities compete against each other to get more tax dollars and it is a rare mayor who would give away his city's solution on how to do that. Blabbering stops and sealed lips are the norm.

This is a minor thing compared to the security of our nation.  The FBI director is on the record about Clinton's Security record. It is reckless!!!

I do not agree with the Director's decision but I note that there seems to be the truth there.

Never mind the lies, never mind the Questions about Benghazi, never mind the inferences about the Clinton foundation, all are technically unproven at this point.

Clinton's reckless security handling is proven. A small question. How can she be given security information if she becomes the Commander-In- Chief?

I Do NOT need to see the smoke and mirrors on that one.  

baldo

Quote from: Chrisj CMA on Fri 26, Aug 2016, 10:00:34
Quote from: baldo on Fri 26, Aug 2016, 09:41:38
Quote from: Chrisj CMA on Fri 26, Aug 2016, 09:27:13
Quote from: solo1 on Fri 26, Aug 2016, 07:56:31
Chrisj, it's not the total lack of character.  On the basis of my question ,that's subjective.

She's qualified by age, but, once again, based on her record only.  For instance, could she honesty take the Oath of the Office of the President?

The FACT that she is a habitual and Sociopathic liar is fairly OBJECTIVE

this article should have her picture on it https://www.truthaboutdeception.com/lying-and-deception/confronting-a-partner/compulsive-lying/types-of-liars.html

Man, it doesn't take much chum to get you guys into a feeding frenzy, does it?

Yes, she lies. I don't think anyone has ever argued that point. But THEY ALL LIE. EVERY LAST ONE. I don't know why you think a Presidential candidate has to be fing Snow White. Do you think trump lies? Did you think Cheney, I mean Bush, lied? Yes, I'm sure Obama has been less than truthful, but with these blinders on I can't really pick one out. But I know you fellas would be more than happy to help me out.

If you have issues with policy, fine, great. Those are things that can be debated. What do you like about Trump's economic plan? Oh, that's right. He doesn't have one. But you're going to run to the ballot box to vote for him. You can't stand Hillary because she lies. Alrighty then.... Yes, Clinton is definitely flawed, but she's not crazily unprepared like Trump. I just don't get it.

baldo.....calm down if you want to accuse others of being in a frenzy   :crazy2:

The woman is a criminal (that's not the norm) she lies about anything and everything for personal gain.  She broke a law that disqualifies her for office.  We could all love her policies and believe she is the best possible candidate and still SHE IS UNFIT/INELIGIBE FOR THE OFFICE by law.

Ok.....tell you what. I'll type slower for you if that'll help.

And your interesting use of the word criminal. Usually that pertains to someone that's been convicted of a crime. But I guess that's the way you see it, enough said. And unfit by law? Which law would that be, exactly?

baldo

Quote from: solo1 on Fri 26, Aug 2016, 09:52:03
Baldo, you haven't asked the question of yourself. Is or is she not.



Wayne, my answer is yes. Absolutely.

solo1


Chrisj CMA

Quote from: baldo on Fri 26, Aug 2016, 10:18:30
Quote from: Chrisj CMA on Fri 26, Aug 2016, 10:00:34
Quote from: baldo on Fri 26, Aug 2016, 09:41:38
Quote from: Chrisj CMA on Fri 26, Aug 2016, 09:27:13
Quote from: solo1 on Fri 26, Aug 2016, 07:56:31
Chrisj, it's not the total lack of character.  On the basis of my question ,that's subjective.

She's qualified by age, but, once again, based on her record only.  For instance, could she honesty take the Oath of the Office of the President?

The FACT that she is a habitual and Sociopathic liar is fairly OBJECTIVE

this article should have her picture on it https://www.truthaboutdeception.com/lying-and-deception/confronting-a-partner/compulsive-lying/types-of-liars.html

Man, it doesn't take much chum to get you guys into a feeding frenzy, does it?

Yes, she lies. I don't think anyone has ever argued that point. But THEY ALL LIE. EVERY LAST ONE. I don't know why you think a Presidential candidate has to be fing Snow White. Do you think trump lies? Did you think Cheney, I mean Bush, lied? Yes, I'm sure Obama has been less than truthful, but with these blinders on I can't really pick one out. But I know you fellas would be more than happy to help me out.

If you have issues with policy, fine, great. Those are things that can be debated. What do you like about Trump's economic plan? Oh, that's right. He doesn't have one. But you're going to run to the ballot box to vote for him. You can't stand Hillary because she lies. Alrighty then.... Yes, Clinton is definitely flawed, but she's not crazily unprepared like Trump. I just don't get it.

baldo.....calm down if you want to accuse others of being in a frenzy   :crazy2:

The woman is a criminal (that's not the norm) she lies about anything and everything for personal gain.  She broke a law that disqualifies her for office.  We could all love her policies and believe she is the best possible candidate and still SHE IS UNFIT/INELIGIBE FOR THE OFFICE by law.

Ok.....tell you what. I'll type slower for you if that'll help.

And your interesting use of the word criminal. Usually that pertains to someone that's been convicted of a crime. But I guess that's the way you see it, enough said. And unfit by law? Which law would that be, exactly?

Its part of the espionage act actually Section 793 of the Penal Code, Subsection (f)...

She is much more suited for orange stripes than pin stripes!

cokebottle10

My bottom line is if Clinton screws up she will not be impeached. This has been proven in the resent pass. If Trump screws up I don't think it will be that hard to remove him from office.
So No I don't think she is qualified.

Thanks, David in Fletcher NC.
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Quote from: solo1 on Fri 26, Aug 2016, 10:22:31
Thanks, Baldo.


He answered it yesterday Wayne. I think you might be subconsciously disregarding the liberal point of view. (Or maybe consciously)

solo1

My specific question, with qualifiers,  was today. He answered it yesterday.  OK ;D



Oss

#35
classified documents on private server

lied to congress about it and guess what the stuff is so top secret the members
of the committee cant even see it

She should be in guantanimo being waterboarded until she gives every last bit of info up

National security of the United States of America is not a joke  it is the most serious breach that this woman has committed and continues to get away with it

People of all walks of life have been terminated by governments all around the globe for far less
and we all know its true  

She is NO Longer qualified by virtue of her actions, if she had not done what she did I would say she is qualified to run but not someone we should elect to the position of honor
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baldo

Quote from: Chrisj CMA on Fri 26, Aug 2016, 10:34:13

The woman is a criminal (that's not the norm) she lies about anything and everything for personal gain.  She broke a law that disqualifies her for office.  We could all love her policies and believe she is the best possible candidate and still SHE IS UNFIT/INELIGIBE FOR THE OFFICE by law.

Ok.....tell you what. I'll type slower for you if that'll help.

And your interesting use of the word criminal. Usually that pertains to someone that's been convicted of a crime. But I guess that's the way you see it, enough said. And unfit by law? Which law would that be, exactly?
[/quote]

Its part of the espionage act actually Section 793 of the Penal Code, Subsection (f)...

She is much more suited for orange stripes than pin stripes!
[/quote]

Really? That sounds pretty darn serious. It seems to me that if she has actually violated "part of the Espionage Act", why is she still walking around? Yes, I know, a rhetorical question. But it seems to me that your interpretation of the law might be a little different from the people that are in a position to enforce that law.

Like I've said, ad nauseum.  There is no one on this big spinning orb that has been investigated, poked and prodded more than Clinton. And she's still out there, doing her thing. Which happens to be running for President. Soooooo, again, it seems to me that if she's done such horrible, illegal, treasonous things, she wouldn't be running for President.

You can't have both you know. You've either got to be an evil criminal mastermind, breaking laws whenever you can. Or, you're running for the most powerful job on the planet.

Wizzard

Quote from: baldo on Fri 26, Aug 2016, 11:22:43
Quote from: Chrisj CMA on Fri 26, Aug 2016, 10:34:13

The woman is a criminal (that's not the norm) she lies about anything and everything for personal gain.  She broke a law that disqualifies her for office.  We could all love her policies and believe she is the best possible candidate and still SHE IS UNFIT/INELIGIBE FOR THE OFFICE by law.

Ok.....tell you what. I'll type slower for you if that'll help.

And your interesting use of the word criminal. Usually that pertains to someone that's been convicted of a crime. But I guess that's the way you see it, enough said. And unfit by law? Which law would that be, exactly?

Its part of the espionage act actually Section 793 of the Penal Code, Subsection (f)...

She is much more suited for orange stripes than pin stripes!
[/quote]

Really? That sounds pretty darn serious. It seems to me that if she has actually violated "part of the Espionage Act", why is she still walking around? Yes, I know, a rhetorical question. But it seems to me that your interpretation of the law might be a little different from the people that are in a position to enforce that law.

Like I've said, ad nauseum.  There is no one on this big spinning orb that has been investigated, poked and prodded more than Clinton. And she's still out there, doing her thing. Which happens to be running for President. Soooooo, again, it seems to me that if she's done such horrible, illegal, treasonous things, she wouldn't be running for President.

You can't have both you know. You've either got to be an evil criminal mastermind, breaking laws whenever you can. Or, you're running for the most powerful job on the planet.
[/quote]

And my personal opinion is that she is both.  :roll:

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#39
Quote from: baldo on Fri 26, Aug 2016, 10:18:30
Quote from: Chrisj CMA on Fri 26, Aug 2016, 10:00:34
Quote from: baldo on Fri 26, Aug 2016, 09:41:38
Quote from: Chrisj CMA on Fri 26, Aug 2016, 09:27:13
Quote from: solo1 on Fri 26, Aug 2016, 07:56:31
Chrisj, it's not the total lack of character.  On the basis of my question ,that's subjective.

She's qualified by age, but, once again, based on her record only.  For instance, could she honesty take the Oath of the Office of the President?

The FACT that she is a habitual and Sociopathic liar is fairly OBJECTIVE

this article should have her picture on it https://www.truthaboutdeception.com/lying-and-deception/confronting-a-partner/compulsive-lying/types-of-liars.html

Man, it doesn't take much chum to get you guys into a feeding frenzy, does it?

Yes, she lies. I don't think anyone has ever argued that point. But THEY ALL LIE. EVERY LAST ONE. I don't know why you think a Presidential candidate has to be fing Snow White. Do you think trump lies? Did you think Cheney, I mean Bush, lied? Yes, I'm sure Obama has been less than truthful, but with these blinders on I can't really pick one out. But I know you fellas would be more than happy to help me out.

If you have issues with policy, fine, great. Those are things that can be debated. What do you like about Trump's economic plan? Oh, that's right. He doesn't have one. But you're going to run to the ballot box to vote for him. You can't stand Hillary because she lies. Alrighty then.... Yes, Clinton is definitely flawed, but she's not crazily unprepared like Trump. I just don't get it.

baldo.....calm down if you want to accuse others of being in a frenzy   :crazy2:

The woman is a criminal (that's not the norm) she lies about anything and everything for personal gain.  She broke a law that disqualifies her for office.  We could all love her policies and believe she is the best possible candidate and still SHE IS UNFIT/INELIGIBE FOR THE OFFICE by law.

Ok.....tell you what. I'll type slower for you if that'll help.

And your interesting use of the word criminal. Usually that pertains to someone that's been convicted of a crime. But I guess that's the way you see it, enough said. And unfit by law? Which law would that be, exactly?

Here Baldo, I copied and pasted this SLOWLY so you can understand it better:

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/criminal?s=t

criminal
[krim-uh-nl]
Spell  Syllables
Synonyms Examples Word Origin
See more synonyms on Thesaurus.com
adjective
1.
of the nature of or involving crime.
2.
guilty of crime.
3.
Law. of or relating to crime or its punishment:
a criminal proceeding.
4.
senseless; foolish:
It's criminal to waste so much good food.
5.
exorbitant; grossly overpriced:
They charge absolutely criminal prices.
noun
6.
a person guilty or convicted of a crime.
(see CLINTON)<(I added that part just to make it absolutely clear)

Note that it doesn't say found guilty in a court of law, it says guilty OR convicted.

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