What is or is not true, set me straight!

[dreamaker]

I was watching a program and listening to a person I have a lot of respect for.  What he discussed was rather disturbing to me, that people would take that posture towards the people they were sworn to protect.  He stated in Europe, one of the place where Germany, where refugees have been migrating, these migrants have been raping and sexually assaulting the native women. The police forces have been instructed to look the other way and in some cases the victims have been accused of provoking the migrant’s actions.
The Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan has had the Metropolitan Police (Scotland Yard) to take all hate crimes seriously and protect the Muslim community at all costs. To document any negative remarks, even if it was overheard by others conversation.
 Hal stated that in London women are afraid to go out at night and it is pretty much the same across Europe. I the event of a sexual assault crime, the police are instructed not to report it as a Muslim related crime or repot it in a way to slant away from Islam. This posture is typical of Europe!!  If this is all true, what the hell is going on!! How long before it is that way in the US. Can any of our friends across the pond verify these accusations to be true, or not to be true? I don’t want to make assumptions, I just want the facts!!  If to be true it is like those governments are giving away their country and stripping the citizens of their rights.

So what's the deal???

[Sorcerer]

Shera law. It's the woman's fault for being out in public with out  male relatives or husband.

[baldo]

I was watching a program and listening to a person I have a lot of respect for.  What he discussed was rather disturbing to me, that people would take that posture towards the people they were sworn to protect.  He stated in Europe, one of the place where Germany, where refugees have been migrating, these migrants have been raping and sexually assaulting the native women. The police forces have been instructed to look the other way and in some cases the victims have been accused of provoking the migrant’s actions.
The Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan has had the Metropolitan Police (Scotland Yard) to take all hate crimes seriously and protect the Muslim community at all costs. To document any negative remarks, even if it was overheard by others conversation.
 Hal stated that in London women are afraid to go out at night and it is pretty much the same across Europe. I the event of a sexual assault crime, the police are instructed not to report it as a Muslim related crime or repot it in a way to slant away from Islam. This posture is typical of Europe!!  If this is all true, what the hell is going on!! How long before it is that way in the US. Can any of our friends across the pond verify these accusations to be true, or not to be true? I don’t want to make assumptions, I just want the facts!!  If to be true it is like those governments are giving away their country and stripping the citizens of their rights.

So what's the deal???

Dreamaker, like you I find this really difficult to believe. It sounds like the type of false reporting (for lack of a better word) here in the States. What could possibly be the reason for instructing the police to ignore rapes? That is ridiculous. I haven't bothered looking, it just seems too bizarre to even contemplate.

I know I've read about some crime being committed by refugees, but it's all very sensationalistic (word?)

[dreamaker]

I am not trying to initiate chaos or create assumptions, but because of the thing going on in the world, one must be aware and vigilant of the things going on in the world around us. So the best thing is to get the facts, not someone’s here say. The thing is, I have heard similar statements from nonrelated sources, and I guess, if it walks like a duck, look to see if it is a duck!! Allot of screwy stuff going on these days, just trying to get clear on it!! I don't want to here "Coming to your area soon".

[baldo]

I am not trying to initiate chaos or create assumptions, but because of the thing going on in the world, one must be aware and vigilant of the things going on in the world around us. So the best thing is to get the facts, not someone’s here say. The thing is, I have heard similar statements from nonrelated sources, and I guess, if it walks like a duck, look to see if it is a duck!! Allot of screwy stuff going on these days, just trying to get clear on it!! I don't want to here "Coming to your area soon".

I just read on another thread something that might be connected. In some of these places, the refugees are living in 'compounds' set aside for them. They're understandably very tight and uncomfortable. Plus the fact that many  of them are young men, late teens and up, with few if any women with them. Not making excuses at all, just trying to understand.

[Valkorado]

Oh, man. 

I just don't think being uptight, hormonal teens provides any rationalization whatsoever.  I doubt if they're given more freedom to roam the number of rapes would decrease.

Now, if they were all given motorcycles they might!  Now it's motorcycle related.

[baldo]

Oh, man. 

I just don't think being uptight, hormonal teens provides any rationalization whatsoever.  I doubt if they're given more freedom to roam the number of rapes would decrease.

Now, if they were all given motorcycles they might!  Now it's motorcycle related.

Apparently you missed the last sentence...

"Not making excuses at all, just trying to understand."

[Valkorado]

It's a bad problem.  I'm sure the women who have been or live in fear of being raped struggle to understand as well.  Probably the best place to learn more.

https://www.google.com/#q=Why+are+Muslim+Refugees+raping+German+women%3F

[dreamaker]

It's a bad problem.  I'm sure the women who have been or live in fear of being raped struggle to understand as well.  Probably the best place to learn more.

https://www.google.com/#q=why+are+Muslim+refugees+raping+European+women%3F

Your not getting it!!  It's not about Horney School Boys, they specifically stated Muslims. I don't intrepid it totally as sex as much as I see it as power!  Basically saying "I just put it to your old lady and legally there isn't a damn thing you can do about it"

I don't have the other sources, just this one on you tube, he can explain it better than I can, he does the research, but I just want to know if it is all true.

Watch from 8:40 to 14:35 on the video, then tell me what it true or not!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5e53wyvtV7A

[Valkorado]

It's a bad problem.  I'm sure the women who have been or live in fear of being raped struggle to understand as well.  Probably the best place to learn more.

https://www.google.com/#q=why+are+Muslim+refugees+raping+European+women%3F

Your not getting it!!  It's not about Horney School Boys, they specifically stated Muslims. I don't intrepid it totally as sex as much as I see it as power!  Basically saying "I just put it to your old lady and legally there isn't a damn thing you can do about it"

I don't have the other sources, just this one on you tube, he can explain it better than I can, he does the research, but I just want to know if it is all true.

Watch from 8:40 to 14:35 on the video, then tell me what it true or not!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5e53wyvtV7A

Oh, I get it.  That's why the term Muslim was included in the Google search.

[dreamaker]

I know people, that believe,  that if it is on the Internet it must be true, myself not even close.  The way I see it is, if you want to know the best way to sweep a floor, ask the sweeper!  You know, I must say I don't hate anyone, but I don't like everyone! So that is why the facts and truth is important to me.

[..]

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-germany-idUSKCN0S02N220151006

[..]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/05/germany-crisis-cologne-new-years-eve-sex-attacks

[..]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Year%27s_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany

[..]

How much sand does one need to stick a head in?

[Oss]

Unfortunately men young or old that come in freely from a culture that demeans women and delegitimizes them can not be expected to WANT to change their behavior to assimilate

This is contrary to what they are taught and what their "law" dictates

Europe is in deep crap and it will continue to get worse.  Lets just say these women are the canary
in the coal mine and they are dropping all over the place.

Be happy none of your daughters live near these communities throughout that continent.

Be vigilant, it is not islamophobic to expect men to behave like men not like animals
it is being a good citizen.  I am greatly disturbed by the rise of the right wing skinheads of Europe and here as well,  and hope that Germany manages to keep both the "refugees" and the skinheads in line

I would love to see a million refugees sent to Saudia Arabia and Bahrain.  They have zero so far

[Willow]

...  and hope that Germany manages to keep both the "refugees" and the skinheads in line
...

I think we're about 50% in agreement, counselor.   

[F-six]

...  and hope that Germany manages to keep both the "refugees" and the skinheads in line
...

I think we're about 50% in agreement, counselor.   

The German skinheads were Oss is referring to are in fact Neo Nazi's. I don't know if you are aware of that?

[dreamaker]

My concern is, I am sure people in Europe felt the same way that we do, “that it couldn’t happen there”, but now these outsiders are putting the squeeze on them, and they will eventually end up second or third class people in their own country. In a sense, maybe I am being slightly paranoid or maybe I am just being extra aware about what is happening around us.  I see mosques going up in, it seem like strategic locations, or in location that you would never expect them to be.  So my concern is, that what is happening over there, that it doesn’t start happening here.   I don’t know if you have noticed or not, but the people in our gov. have been acting and doing things very strangely, I would have to say their behavior has been slightly bizarre.  The things Clinton is involved in, and the gov. attitude is, “So What”!  Don’t you find the things that are happing in your country a little strange?  Migrating people are supposed to conform to our laws and life style, but we are informed we must conform to their ways in our country so we don’t disrespect them.

[Willow]

...  and hope that Germany manages to keep both the "refugees" and the skinheads in line
...

I think we're about 50% in agreement, counselor.   

The German skinheads were Oss is referring to are in fact Neo Nazi's. I don't know if you are aware of that?

I wasn't. That raises our percentage. 

[F-six]

...  and hope that Germany manages to keep both the "refugees" and the skinheads in line
...

I think we're about 50% in agreement, counselor.   

The German skinheads were Oss is referring to are in fact Neo Nazi's. I don't know if you are aware of that?

I wasn't. That raises our percentage. 

Thank you, I really appreciate that.

[F-six]

My concern is, I am sure people in Europe felt the same way that we do, “that it couldn’t happen there”, but now these outsiders are putting the squeeze on them, and they will eventually end up second or third class people in their own country. In a sense, maybe I am being slightly paranoid or maybe I am just being extra aware about what is happening around us.  I see mosques going up in, it seem like strategic locations, or in location that you would never expect them to be.  So my concern is, that what is happening over there, that it doesn’t start happening here.   I don’t know if you have noticed or not, but the people in our gov. have been acting and doing things very strangely, I would have to say their behavior has been slightly bizarre.  The things Clinton is involved in, and the gov. attitude is, “So What”!  Don’t you find the things that are happing in your country a little strange?  Migrating people are supposed to conform to our laws and life style, but we are informed we must conform to their ways in our country so we don’t disrespect them.

Although I really don't want to get into these discussions, I'll give it a go. But, I'm not going into conspiracy theories, religion driven or alt right news outlets. I stick to reality, what I know as an informed European citizen and what I know because of my work at the Dutch prosecution.
 
We do have problems in Europe with terrorists, some serious problems, but it's still relative safe here. We had a number of bad attacks in Paris, Brussel, Nice and some isolated incidents. Enough to keep our police and secret service on the highest alert. Terrorist spread fear and they are good at it. We know that in one case in Turkey they used a brainwashed kid to commit a suicide attack. In another case this could be prevented.
 
But terrorists are not refugees. Or better yet, refugees are not terrorists. At this time there are a lot of refugees coming to Europe. People who fled from the violence in Syrie. Most of them after a dangerous journey. It is happend that terrorists used the stream of refugees to try to enter Europe. There is no way to tell if any succeeded to come in unnoticed. But because of the constant contact with authorities, who are very trained to check a refugee story, I don't think there are many terrorists coming in that way. There are better and safer ways for a terrorist to come into a country.

What I do know for a fact, is that the attacks in Paris, Brussel, Nice and so on were all committed by French and Belgium citizens, born and raised here. Basically the same patron as in the USA, I understand that the terrorist attacks in Orlando, San Bernadino were also committed by US citizens.
 
Do we have a lot of problems with refugees? Frankly no. There are protests when they are coming in and get a place to stay, but after a few days you don't hear that much complaints anymore. We had waves of refugees before and most of them return to their country when it's safe. For most people it is really no fun to start another live in another country with a difficult language.
 
Are there incidents? You bet there are. You can't take care of 50.000 refugees without some incidents, that's reality. And in Germany there are even greater numbers, I think, but I'm not sure, around 500.000 refugees. But Germany is, in comparison to our country, a lot bigger. But I can honestly say that there are no more incidents than could be expected. And if there is an incident, it get's a lot more media attention than the average Joe Sixpack, who harassed that nice girl next door. 
 
And then there is that huge incident in Cologne on new years eve where a great number of women were harassed and even there was a case of rape. Yes, those crimes where committed by men with a Muslim background. But honestly, as of this day, we still don't really know exactly why this happend. It never happend before and it didn't happen afterwards. Also because the police is now on their qui-vive surely.

Don't we have any problems with people with a foreign background? Yes we have. Mostly with younger kids of families who immigrated to Germany and Holland in the sixties and seventies. In those days we needed a lot of extra workers. So, we went to several countries around the mediterranean sea, like Spain, Italy and Portugal, but also Turkey and Morocco and hired a workforce. The men from Spain, Italy and Portugal went back after a couple of years. But a lot of men from Turkey and Morocco stayed here and started families. The second generation have difficulties to integrate into our western society and they cause a lot of trouble. The girls are doing fine, but the boys is a different story. It's too complicated to get into that now, I don't want to make this into a social study, so I'll leave it at that.

So, there you have it. Do you need to be afraid for mosques? Nah, I don't think so. Most Muslims are just as peaceful as you are. It is like any religion, it's the extremist who goes nuts that causes the danger. That's why we have set up programs in our cities where police, schools, social security and so on work together to pick the ones who are getting radicalized. Although you can't guarantee anything, and we are still learning, they are doing a pretty good job. I'm not afraid to walk anywhere in Europe.

[The emperor has no clothes]

...  and hope that Germany manages to keep both the "refugees" and the skinheads in line
...

I think we're about 50% in agreement, counselor.   

The German skinheads were Oss is referring to are in fact Neo Nazi's. I don't know if you are aware of that?

I wasn't. That raises our percentage. 

Thank you, I really appreciate that.

I think Willow was referring to our member Skinhead.

[dreamaker]

My concern is, I am sure people in Europe felt the same way that we do, “that it couldn’t happen there”, but now these outsiders are putting the squeeze on them, and they will eventually end up second or third class people in their own country. In a sense, maybe I am being slightly paranoid or maybe I am just being extra aware about what is happening around us.  I see mosques going up in, it seem like strategic locations, or in location that you would never expect them to be.  So my concern is, that what is happening over there, that it doesn’t start happening here.   I don’t know if you have noticed or not, but the people in our gov. have been acting and doing things very strangely, I would have to say their behavior has been slightly bizarre.  The things Clinton is involved in, and the gov. attitude is, “So What”!  Don’t you find the things that are happing in your country a little strange?  Migrating people are supposed to conform to our laws and life style, but we are informed we must conform to their ways in our country so we don’t disrespect them.

Although I really don't want to get into these discussions, I'll give it a go. But, I'm not going into conspiracy theories, religion driven or alt right news outlets. I stick to reality, what I know as an informed European citizen and what I know because of my work at the Dutch prosecution.
 
We do have problems in Europe with terrorists, some serious problems, but it's still relative safe here. We had a number of bad attacks in Paris, Brussel, Nice and some isolated incidents. Enough to keep our police and secret service on the highest alert. Terrorist spread fear and they are good at it. We know that in one case in Turkey they used a brainwashed kid to commit a suicide attack. In another case this could be prevented.
 
But terrorists are not refugees. Or better yet, refugees are not terrorists. At this time there are a lot of refugees coming to Europe. People who fled from the violence in Syrie. Most of them after a dangerous journey. It is happend that terrorists used the stream of refugees to try to enter Europe. There is no way to tell if any succeeded to come in unnoticed. But because of the constant contact with authorities, who are very trained to check a refugee story, I don't think there are many terrorists coming in that way. There are better and safer ways for a terrorist to come into a country.

What I do know for a fact, is that the attacks in Paris, Brussel, Nice and so on were all committed by French and Belgium citizens, born and raised here. Basically the same patron as in the USA, I understand that the terrorist attacks in Orlando, San Bernadino were also committed by US citizens.
 
Do we have a lot of problems with refugees? Frankly no. There are protests when they are coming in and get a place to stay, but after a few days you don't hear that much complaints anymore. We had waves of refugees before and most of them return to their country when it's safe. For most people it is really no fun to start another live in another country with a difficult language.
 
Are there incidents? You bet there are. You can't take care of 50.000 refugees without some incidents, that's reality. And in Germany there are even greater numbers, I think, but I'm not sure, around 500.000 refugees. But Germany is, in comparison to our country, a lot bigger. But I can honestly say that there are no more incidents than could be expected. And if there is an incident, it get's a lot more media attention than the average Joe Sixpack, who harassed that nice girl next door.  
 
And then there is that huge incident in Cologne on new years eve where a great number of women were harassed and even there was a case of rape. Yes, those crimes where committed by men with a Muslim background. But honestly, as of this day, we still don't really know exactly why this happend. It never happend before and it didn't happen afterwards. Also because the police is now on their qui-vive surely.

Don't we have any problems with people with a foreign background? Yes we have. Mostly with younger kids of families who immigrated to Germany and Holland in the sixties and seventies. In those days we needed a lot of extra workers. So, we went to several countries around the mediterranean sea, like Spain, Italy and Portugal, but also Turkey and Morocco and hired a workforce. The men from Spain, Italy and Portugal went back after a couple of years. But a lot of men from Turkey and Morocco stayed here and started families. The second generation have difficulties to integrate into our western society and they cause a lot of trouble. The girls are doing fine, but the boys is a different story. It's too complicated to get into that now, I don't want to make this into a social study, so I'll leave it at that.

So, there you have it. Do you need to be afraid for mosques? Nah, I don't think so. Most Muslims are just as peaceful as you are. It is like any religion, it's the extremist who goes nuts that causes the danger. That's why we have set up programs in our cities where police, schools, social security and so on work together to pick the ones who are getting radicalized. Although you can't guarantee anything, and we are still learning, they are doing a pretty good job. I'm not afraid to walk anywhere in Europe.

Pretty interesting write up!! Good to hear from someone that is there and knows!

[baldo]

Pretty interesting write up!! Good to hear for someone that is there and knows!