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« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2016, 05:28:19 AM » |
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Even if this isn't what motivates the powers that be, I kind of like
the idea of sucking the oil dry other places and still having in the
ground here "for later"...
-Mike
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« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2016, 05:33:32 AM » |
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[quote Several news sites are reporting that a Saudi Arabia court has sentenced a man to 10 years in prison, along with a punishment of 2,000 lashes, for several messages on his Twitter account that denied the existence of God and criticized the Koran, the Islamic holy book. The Sun first reported on the story on Wednesday, revealing that the atheist refused the chance to repent, and instead said that his Twitter messages reflected his views, further arguing that he had the right to express them. The Daily Mail noted that police investigated his social media accounts and found that he had accused Islamic prophets of lying and teaching hostility. The man also denied the existence of God, which under a controversial law is marked as "terrorism." Another atheist in Saudi Arabia was given the same punishment in February of 10 years in prison, a fine, and 2,000 lashings, also for tweets that criticized God and the Muslim religion. Saudi Arabia cracks down on all forms of political dissent, including challenges to Islam, which has been strongly criticized by persecution watchdog groups. Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/news/saudi-arabia-sentences-atheist-to-2000-lashings-10-years-in-prison-for-tweets-criticizing-islam-168929/#ZkZZ5lbp2TyMKLY7.99Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/news/saudi-arabia-sentences-atheist-to-2000-lashings-10-years-in-prison-for-tweets-criticizing-islam-168929/#ZfPsclAHV1FhRSEo.99][/quote] To be honest, I find this barbaric but, it's not my country. I agree with you in substance. I also think the only influence we have the authority to exercise is economic influence. I don't believe we have any right to tell them how to run their country. But, I do think we have to right to not purchase their products. Having said that, when in Rome, do as the Romans do. He is an idiot or, someone desiring martyrdom. His choice. |
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« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2016, 05:39:10 AM » |
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Even if this isn't what motivates the powers that be, I kind of like
the idea of sucking the oil dry other places and still having in the
ground here "for later"...
-Mike
In 50 years Oil will only be needed for manufacturing products...not energy. North America has way more than what is needed for the next 100 years. |
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« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2016, 05:51:41 AM » |
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To be honest, I find this barbaric but, it's not my country. I agree with you in substance. I also think the only influence we have the authority to exercise is economic influence. I don't believe we have any right to tell them how to run their country. But, I do think we have to right to not purchase their products. Having said that, when in Rome, do as the Romans do. He is an idiot or, someone desiring martyrdom. His choice. [/quote] Well...when in America do as.... http://nypost.com/2015/04/12/saudi-role-in-911-being-whitewashed-by-fbi/ |
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« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2016, 06:08:05 AM » |
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The cool thing about using our own oil would be that it would completely take the wind out of the sales of the Middle Eastern countries. These countries know they hold us hostage at this point. Less money would be generated for ISIS for example.
Think it was Johnson that started the energy independence push for the US. We are actually more dependent now than back then. The program has tripled in size and costs us more each year for negative results. Typical Government.
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« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2016, 06:19:56 AM » |
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The cool thing about using our own oil would be that it would completely take the wind out of the sales of the Middle Eastern countries. These countries know they hold us hostage at this point. Less money would be generated for ISIS for example.
Think it was Johnson that started the energy independence push for the US. We are actually more dependent now than back then. The program has tripled in size and costs us more each year for negative results. Typical Government.
I'm all for energy independence on our part. But the Saudi's would have plenty of markets for their oil. Wouldn't hurt them a bit I suspect. |
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« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2016, 06:59:50 AM » |
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The sooner we become completely oil/gas independent the better.
There are some that will fight anything in this country. Of all the thousands of miles of pipeline in this country there is still a fight over a new one [ Keystone]. Continued truck and rail accidents and spills seems to be all right though.
There is a century worth of gas and oil here and as mentioned we will probably be off of fossil fuel is less time than that.
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« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2016, 07:21:23 AM » |
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To be honest, I find this barbaric but, it's not my country. I agree with you in substance. I also think the only influence we have the authority to exercise is economic influence. I don't believe we have any right to tell them how to run their country. But, I do think we have to right to not purchase their products. Having said that, when in Rome, do as the Romans do. He is an idiot or, someone desiring martyrdom. His choice.
Well...when in America do as.... http://nypost.com/2015/04/12/saudi-role-in-911-being-whitewashed-by-fbi/[/quote] If I recall correctly, weren't the large majority of the terrorists who committed murder on 9/11/01 SAUDIS! |
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« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2016, 07:21:52 AM » |
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Many centuries worth of oil, gas and coal in NA, probably thousands. Some think, and I can not disagree that oil is abiotic. http://www.viewzone.com/abioticoilx.htmlWe should be 100 percent energy independent and working vigorously towards clean sources of energy and that could take many forms. Since the universe is over 70 percent hydrogen that may be the way to go. I do hope this comes about in the next 50 years as suggested, but dang it sure would be nice to ride a petro bike. At 110 years old it will not be me. Gavin may still be young enough. |
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« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2016, 07:33:40 PM » |
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To be honest, I find this barbaric but, it's not my country. I agree with you in substance. I also think the only influence we have the authority to exercise is economic influence. I don't believe we have any right to tell them how to run their country. But, I do think we have to right to not purchase their products. Having said that, when in Rome, do as the Romans do. He is an idiot or, someone desiring martyrdom. His choice.
Well...when in America do as.... http://nypost.com/2015/04/12/saudi-role-in-911-being-whitewashed-by-fbi/[/quote] OK, I'll admit I don't get out as much as I probably should but, I fail to see the connection between the two issues. Please enlighten me. The Oil Connection? |
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« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2016, 07:45:15 PM » |
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Even if this isn't what motivates the powers that be, I kind of like
the idea of sucking the oil dry other places and still having in the
ground here "for later"...
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« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2016, 04:19:46 AM » |
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We have plenty of oil here in the US to supply our needs and unfortunately buying oil from the Saudis has nothing to do with this. In fact we had all better hope that until the US gets on a better financial footing we dont stop buying oil from them because of a thing called the Petrodollar. I will not go into long explanation but a copy and paste from the article below will help all to understand a little of the importance of Petrodollars. Some will say that the wars we fought were over Petrodollars and Henry Kissinger should be hung as a traitor to the US population. Some might also say that energy independence is in direct conflict with our financial system. Why would we go to any system that removes the US from the very thing that is keeping it afloat and money in the pocket of the elites? Obama capped a supply in Alaska that has more oil than Saudi Arabia, so why did he do it? https://ftmdaily.com/preparing-for-the-collapse-of-the-petrodollar-system/Two years later, in an effort to maintain global demand for U.S. dollars, another system was created called the petrodollar system. In 1973, a deal was struck between Saudi Arabia and the United States in which every barrel of oil purchased from the Saudis would be denominated in U.S. dollars. Under this new arrangement, any country that sought to purchase oil from Saudi Arabia would be required to first exchange their own national currency for U.S. dollars. In exchange for Saudi Arabia's willingness to denominate their oil sales exclusively in U.S. dollars, the United States offered weapons and protection of their oil fields from neighboring nations, including Israel. By 1975, all of the OPEC nations had agreed to price their own oil supplies exclusively in U.S. dollars in exchange for weapons and military protection. This petrodollar system, or more simply known as an "oil for dollars" system, created an immediate artificial demand for U.S. dollars around the globe. And of course, as global oil demand increased, so did the demand for U.S. dollars. As the U.S. dollar continued to lose purchasing power, several oil-producing countries began to question the wisdom of accepting increasingly worthless paper currency for their oil supplies. Today, several countries have attempted to move away, or already have moved away, from the petrodollar system. Examples include Iran, Syria, Venezuela, and North Korea… or the “axis of evil,” if you prefer. (What is happening in our world today makes a whole lot of sense if you simply read between the lines and ignore the “official” reasons that are given in the mainstream media.) Additionally, other nations are choosing to use their own currencies for oil like China, Russia, and India, among others. As more countries continue to move away from the petrodollar system which uses the U.S. dollar as payment for oil, we expect massive inflationary pressures to strike the U.S. economy. In this article, we will explain how this could be possible. If interested this article goes a bit deeper http://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Why-The-Petrodollar-Is-Facing-Its-End.html |
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« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2016, 06:38:47 AM » |
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Many centuries worth of oil, gas and coal in NA, probably thousands. Some think, and I can not disagree that oil is abiotic. http://www.viewzone.com/abioticoilx.htmlWe should be 100 percent energy independent and working vigorously towards clean sources of energy and that could take many forms. Since the universe is over 70 percent hydrogen that may be the way to go. I do hope this comes about in the next 50 years as suggested, but dang it sure would be nice to ride a petro bike. At 110 years old it will not be me. Gavin may still be young enough. I've felt that natural gas and hydrogen would be the way to go, and, am also wondering too what happened to hydrogen. Haven't heard much about it lately. |
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« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2016, 07:07:16 AM » |
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Proven oil reserves in the United States were 36.4 billion barrels
of crude oil as of the end of 2014, excluding the Strategic Petroleum
Reserve. The 2014 reserves represent the largest US proven reserves
since 1972, and a 90% increase in proved reserves since 2008.
The Energy Information Administration estimates US undiscovered,
technically recoverable oil resources to be an additional 198 billion
barrels.
The US consumption of petroleum products peaked in 2005; by 2012,
consumption had declined 11% from the peak. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_reserves_in_the_United_StatesIn 2015, the United States consumed a total of 7.08 billion barrels
of petroleum products... https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=33&t=6198 + 36 = 234 234 / 7 33
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« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2016, 07:13:19 AM » |
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We have plenty of oil here in the US to supply our needs and unfortunately buying oil from the Saudis has nothing to do with this. In fact we had all better hope that until the US gets on a better financial footing we dont stop buying oil from them because of a thing called the Petrodollar. I will not go into long explanation but a copy and paste from the article below will help all to understand a little of the importance of Petrodollars. Some will say that the wars we fought were over Petrodollars and Henry Kissinger should be hung as a traitor to the US population. Some might also say that energy independence is in direct conflict with our financial system. Why would we go to any system that removes the US from the very thing that is keeping it afloat and money in the pocket of the elites? Obama capped a supply in Alaska that has more oil than Saudi Arabia, so why did he do it? https://ftmdaily.com/preparing-for-the-collapse-of-the-petrodollar-system/Two years later, in an effort to maintain global demand for U.S. dollars, another system was created called the petrodollar system. In 1973, a deal was struck between Saudi Arabia and the United States in which every barrel of oil purchased from the Saudis would be denominated in U.S. dollars. Under this new arrangement, any country that sought to purchase oil from Saudi Arabia would be required to first exchange their own national currency for U.S. dollars. In exchange for Saudi Arabia's willingness to denominate their oil sales exclusively in U.S. dollars, the United States offered weapons and protection of their oil fields from neighboring nations, including Israel. By 1975, all of the OPEC nations had agreed to price their own oil supplies exclusively in U.S. dollars in exchange for weapons and military protection. This petrodollar system, or more simply known as an "oil for dollars" system, created an immediate artificial demand for U.S. dollars around the globe. And of course, as global oil demand increased, so did the demand for U.S. dollars. As the U.S. dollar continued to lose purchasing power, several oil-producing countries began to question the wisdom of accepting increasingly worthless paper currency for their oil supplies. Today, several countries have attempted to move away, or already have moved away, from the petrodollar system. Examples include Iran, Syria, Venezuela, and North Korea… or the “axis of evil,” if you prefer. (What is happening in our world today makes a whole lot of sense if you simply read between the lines and ignore the “official” reasons that are given in the mainstream media.) Additionally, other nations are choosing to use their own currencies for oil like China, Russia, and India, among others. As more countries continue to move away from the petrodollar system which uses the U.S. dollar as payment for oil, we expect massive inflationary pressures to strike the U.S. economy. In this article, we will explain how this could be possible. If interested this article goes a bit deeper http://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Why-The-Petrodollar-Is-Facing-Its-End.htmlSo...what you are saying is that Trump's quest for energy independance is going to hurt the economy?? |
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« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2016, 10:21:14 AM » |
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In 50 years Oil will only be needed for manufacturing products...not energy.
North America has way more than what is needed for the next 100 years.
I'm no expert on alternative energy sources, but I don't see that happening... I don't know of anything that even comes close to replacing gas or diesel for vehicles (mostly because of long distance travel, commuting CAN be done on electric). Plus, oils will always be need to lubricate rotating machinery... unless we figure out a way to make synthetics without ever needing a natural base. I do, however, see ways that a LARGE reduction in the use is possible in 50 years... if technology can catch up with it. I've felt that natural gas and hydrogen would be the way to go, and, am also wondering too what happened to hydrogen. Haven't heard much about it lately.
I think (again, I'm no expert on it) hydrogen has disappeared due to inherent dangers of carrying it around. A pressurized tank of hydrogen makes for one heck of a bomb. My GUESS is that safety regulations make it too difficult to make regular use of it. Of course, we still use pressurized tanks of propane and natural gas... so I could be WAY WRONG there.  |
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« Reply #17 on: September 09, 2016, 10:21:32 AM » |
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Might if its not done in the correct way. Not to mention I wonder how much is lip service also, because in reality we are energy independent right now if you think about it. We have enough energy and enough technology that we could stop buying oil from overseas. The refiners could pickup the slack and we could open some of the oil fields that were closed.
Energy independence, is the rally cry of the environmentalists and actually speaks on being independent on our energy from foreign sources. Its really a joke since we here in the US are actually an oil exporting country. We could do it quickly if everyone did not have their hand in the till.
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« Reply #18 on: September 09, 2016, 10:28:56 AM » |
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North America is not dependant on the middle east for oil.
North America IS dependant on the middle east for CHEAP oil.
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« Reply #19 on: September 09, 2016, 11:07:17 AM » |
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North America is not dependant on the middle east for oil.
North America IS dependant on the middle east for CHEAP oil.
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« Reply #20 on: September 09, 2016, 04:33:10 PM » |
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North America is not dependant on the middle east for oil.
North America IS dependant on the middle east for CHEAP oil.
Living in ND, and worked some in the oil fields, what is said is that if oil went to $60, drilling would begin again. So, it would not take a very large price increase at the pump to make it work. |
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« Reply #21 on: September 09, 2016, 06:03:34 PM » |
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North America is not dependant on the middle east for oil.
North America IS dependant on the middle east for CHEAP oil.
Yes , +1 If you wouldn't mind $10/gal gas - those oil sands in Canada could supply for a LONG time. Not to mention we have 400+ YEARS of coal reserves (which can be converted to petro - cost being an issue here). It might not even take $10 gas - but it would be more expensive than current... |
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