FORD, Don't let the door

[G-Man]

hit you in the a$$ on the way out!

FORD confirms all of their small cars will built in a new state of the art facility in Mexico. 

[old2soon]

Lets see union wages in Merica what?? 50-60 bucks an hour PLUS perks. Wages in meheeco-what-10-12 bucks an hour no bennies and ford STILL wants em priced like they were built here!  RIDE SAFE. Oh-don't fergit chinese G M.

[Serk]

Wages in meheeco-what-10-12 bucks an hour

This made me curious so I looked it up...

Average hourly wage for a factory worker in Mexico is currently around $2.10 an hour.

Source - http://www.tradingeconomics.com/mexico/wages-in-manufacturing

[3fan4life]

They can keep their made in Mexico Fords.

I'll keep my made in Kentucky Toyota:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Motor_Manufacturing_Kentucky


http://corporatenews.pressroom.toyota.com/releases/cars+camry+american+made+2015.htm

[Alpha Dog]

They can keep their made in Mexico Fords.

I'll keep my made in Kentucky Toyota:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Motor_Manufacturing_Kentucky


http://corporatenews.pressroom.toyota.com/releases/cars+camry+american+made+2015.htm

That would be the Georgetown Plant - huge facility, great cars.   And I will keep my made in Marysville, Oh Hondas, which includes the Valkyrie.

Vuuuuuuughhhh.   That big sucking sound of Ross Perot gets ever more expansive.

[..]

It's a funny old world aint it.

American brand cars being made out of the USA.

Foreign brand cars being made in the USA.

If you had told someone in 1965  this would be the state of affairs they'd have punched you on the nose for being un American.

[solo1]

I had a Democrat former union worker comment on my Mazda Six. I walked him over to the Union label on the window.  Made in the USA by Union workers.

Of course Fords are made in America.  Mexico is in the Americas.

[Serk]

I had a Democrat former union worker comment on my Mazda Six. I walked him over to the Union label on the window.  Made in the USA by Union workers.

Hehe... That's kind of funny, one of the main reasons I went with a Nissan Altima a few years ago is because it's made in the USA (Tennessee) by NON-union workers...

[Rams]

The irony is, we can control this if, we decide to.

The almighty dollar and the bottom line is what drives decisions like this.   Want to change Ford's mind, don't consider any vehicle built anywhere but the US.   When you go shopping for a vehicle, make sure the sales person knows that you will only consider vehicles made in the US.   Stick to your guns and eventually, there won't be any factories in Mexico, or anywhere else that sends vehicles to the US to bring our dollars to foreign states.   But, that will more than likely take a bite out of your wallet.    I really try to buy American when I can, some times, it ain't easy.

[Pepmyster]

I had a Democrat former union worker comment on my Mazda Six. I walked him over to the Union label on the window.  Made in the USA by Union workers.

Hehe... That's kind of funny, one of the main reasons I went with a Nissan Altima a few years ago is because it's made in the USA (Tennessee) by NON-union workers...

I work at a Nissan dealer, I'm a tech there, yes, some models are made in the USA and some in Mexico, and some in Japan. Lets hope they don't start sending them to China. Money talks..........

[Romeo]

That's why they call it a global economy. Corporations long ago realized they needed to globalize to survive. That includes where they build their cars, and who they use to build them. The Ford trucks will still be made in the U.S. Ya know why? Because there's more profit built into the trucks.
I have a friend that works for Fiat/Chrysler. They are going to do the same thing. We all had a hand in opening that can, don't think we'll ever get it closed again. At least most of the stockholders are still U.S. citizens.

[The emperor has no clothes]

That's why they call it a global economy. Corporations long ago realized they needed to globalize to survive. That includes where they build their cars, and who they use to build them. The Ford trucks will still be made in the U.S. Ya know why? Because there's more profit built into the trucks.
I have a friend that works for Fiat/Chrysler. They are going to do the same thing. We all had a hand in opening that can, don't think we'll ever get it closed again. At least most of the stockholders are still U.S. citizens.

It sure doesn't bode well for the middle class worker though. I think you are right, there is no going back. It's only going to get worse. How does one find out the ownership of shares for a company ? I would have thought foreign shareholders would be high.

[Big Rig]

I work for a company that was bought out by a much larger company...one of the powers to be in the corp office decided to ship one of our manufacturing sites to Mexico...

Before seeing what the Mexican plant could do, the shut our plant down and shipped all orders to the plant in Mexico....

I think you all know where this is going....it has been 18 months and they have still not made one useable  part. We are now on back order for millionz of dollars and getting slammed by our customers. They are now pulling orders out and trying to find vendors to make our products...

[Serk]

I'm not in manufacturing, I'm in IT, but my (Rather large, you've heard of it) company has announced they want to get rid of 95% of US Citizen employees by November... (Mostly going to India, but Brazil, Costa Rica, Vietnam, etc. etc. etc are all in the mix, just not Americans)

...to add insult to injury they're calling this initiative "Project Unity."

Seriously.

I've been told I've got until October to find something else in the company or I'm gone, after 19 years.

Yay.

(I've got a lead on something, so I'll take any good luck, warm thoughts, crossed fingers, etc.)

.....we now return you to your regularly scheduled thread.

[Robert]

Who has an Apple phone?? I do, but do you realize Apple the company that has more money in the bank than most governments is not paying taxes and not providing US manufacturing jobs? I understand to be upset with Ford but what about Apple and the host of other companies our government has allowed to avoid taxes and jobs in the US.
 
 I hope Trump will put a stop to some of this crap I know H wont.

[Robert]

I'm not in manufacturing, I'm in IT, but my (Rather large, you've heard of it) company has announced they want to get rid of 95% of US Citizen employees by November... (Mostly going to India, but Brazil, Costa Rica, Vietnam, etc. etc. etc are all in the mix, just not Americans)

...to add insult to injury they're calling this initiative "Project Unity."

Seriously.

I've been told I've got until October to find something else in the company or I'm gone, after 19 years.

Yay.

(I've got a lead on something, so I'll take any good luck, warm thoughts, crossed fingers, etc.)

.....we now return you to your regularly scheduled thread.

I am sorry for this unfortunate turn of events but at least you are free to look for alternate work or position. Some have to train their replacements to get any kind of pay without immediate termination.

[Serk]

I am sorry for this unfortunate turn of events but at least you are free to look for alternate work or position. Some have to train their replacements to get any kind of pay without immediate termination.

Been there, done that.

Heck, they sent me to Africa once to train my replacements there (Turns out Africans were cheaper than Indians.) But I'd already had someplace to go afterwards... This time, it's coming down to the wire...

[The emperor has no clothes]

I am sorry for this unfortunate turn of events but at least you are free to look for alternate work or position. Some have to train their replacements to get any kind of pay without immediate termination.

Been there, done that.

Heck, they sent me to Africa once to train my replacements there (Turns out Africans were cheaper than Indians.) But I'd already had someplace to go afterwards... This time, it's coming down to the wire...

I hope the best for you Serk.  Don't rule out going back to the NSA. Seriously, I hope you get an even higher paying job with more time off. 

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

I am sorry for this unfortunate turn of events but at least you are free to look for alternate work or position. Some have to train their replacements to get any kind of pay without immediate termination.

Been there, done that.

Heck, they sent me to Africa once to train my replacements there (Turns out Africans were cheaper than Indians.) But I'd already had someplace to go afterwards... This time, it's coming down to the wire...

Wish you the best in this Serk.

Myself, I think the solution to this isn't that difficult. Make the tax penalties on companies who move their operations out of the country too costly for them to make money by doing so. As has been said, it's all about profits, there's nothing wrong with that. If moving jobs out of America becomes un-profitable, it will stop.

[cookiedough]

good luck Serk,  in IT should be something somewhere even if a paycut..  

My wifes work just past 2 months ago got rid of about 15 workers in clerical staff all jobs shipped to India for useless cheap labor.  My wife has to deal with all the screwups and from what I hear,  not paying the bills, NOT at all, is hurting their inventory levels for holding product back being shipped if not paying them.  It is a trickle down effect end result could be company failure and for such a large company cutting only 15-20 jobs most making only 15-16 per hour (chicken feed) is F'ing dumb plain and simple sending it overseas.  Whomever thought of this should be fired ASAP and then shot.

I have had to survive some rough times in over 20 years,  4 of my full time jobs were sent to another city not willing to relocate to and 2 of the 4 I would have stayed a lifer for sure.  Nothing is SAFE anymore that is the only thing guaranteed.    

Back on topic,  that is why I bought a tundra,  made in san antonio, texas.  That and the fact it holds its value and reliability better than the big 3 trucks by far, at least in my area.  I was offered this April 31K trade in on a 2 year old 25K miles tundra paid 35K 2 years ago for meaning ONLY 2K per year depreciation, but was at a dodge dealer for a dodge ram costing 39K new plus depreciation of 8-9K in only 2 years., double that of a tundra.    My neighbor wanted me to test drive with him a new f150 2.7L v6 ecoboost msrp around 48K can get for 38K meaning 10 grand off sticker he wants.  Was quieter and rode nicer than my tundra with more gadgets, but a dime a dozen, plus that V6, although quick off the line,  lacked GRUNT and GROWL.  Plus,  looking in that engine bay made me wonder why all that empty,wasted space with such a small V6.  Heck,  you could not even check oil or add oil without a step ladder to reach way far back and down low in that engine compartment area.   twin turbos in a v6 engine for a truck is not my cup of tea.  Real world test show they are quicker off the line, but when pulling,  not much better in mpg than a v8 engine.  I bet more headaches down the line as well only time will tell on that.  

You see 100s of rams, silverados, and f150s on the lot vs. just a few tundras to pick from on dealer lots.  Not because they sell more tundras, but toyota keeps production in ONLY 1 plant nationwide in texas vs. the big 3 in canada, mexico, and far less plants in the states.  

I have had dozens of new chevy silverados and almost everyone was made in canada with a few in mexico,  NONE in the USA.  Quality control overall was worse as well almost always found 1-3 things needed fixing ASAP when new, thus the new vehicle warranty right?

My tundra or 2 hyundai vehicles, knock on wood, not a thing wrong with them coming off the factory floor new all made in USA.  

Pay the dang American workers MORE money and quick nickeling and diming the company just to save a few bucks in china, mexico, india, etc.    Big shots mostly are idiots just thinking of saving money and will bite them in the _ss in the long run 9 times out of 10.  I sure hope not at my wife's employer since if she looses her job after over 25 years,  we are toast having to sell the Valk, etc.  See, now this is Valk related right?

[Rams]

Many or even most folks want our leadership/government to do something about the issue of our jobs moving to other countries.    While it's always possible to tax imports, all that will do is to cause our products to also be taxed in the countries affected.   It's been done before, the results of such moves are counter taxation and higher prices for our own products.

Americans have control of their own fate.   Buy American made products and Americans will stay employed.   Buy products made anywhere else and you're part of the problem.   It's really that simple.

So, if you're upset about jobs moving to another country and you're driving something made anywhere other than the US, blame yourself.  You are the problem.   You also have the power to reverse course.   American consumers want cheaper products, well there they are, they just aren't made in America.   

[Hooter]

They can keep their made in Mexico Fords.

I'll keep my made in Kentucky Toyota:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Motor_Manufacturing_Kentucky


http://corporatenews.pressroom.toyota.com/releases/cars+camry+american+made+2015.htm

   Or my made in America Honda!

[Rams]

They can keep their made in Mexico Fords.

I'll keep my made in Kentucky Toyota:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Motor_Manufacturing_Kentucky


http://corporatenews.pressroom.toyota.com/releases/cars+camry+american+made+2015.htm

   Or my made in America Honda!

Most likely assembled by American workers, where were all the parts made?  
I know, you can't control that but, as American jobs move to other countries, we're all guilty.  

If you had told someone in 1965  this would be the state of affairs they'd have punched you on the nose for being un American.

While that may be correct, the fact is, those folks were also part of the problem, they liked getting those cheap products from cheap labor countries.   

America is turning into a country where all we sell is service, fewer products are being made here every year.    It won't be long before all we sell is agricultural and forestry products.   Those products will be harvested by folks who no longer have jobs in American factories.   

Who is to blame, we are.

[Hooter]

Rams..I agree but it is as made in America as my Harley  is.

[Varmintmist]

I am sorry for this unfortunate turn of events but at least you are free to look for alternate work or position. Some have to train their replacements to get any kind of pay without immediate termination.

Been there, done that.

Heck, they sent me to Africa once to train my replacements there (Turns out Africans were cheaper than Indians.) But I'd already had someplace to go afterwards... This time, it's coming down to the wire...

Wish you the best in this Serk.

Myself, I think the solution to this isn't that difficult. Make the tax penalties on companies who move their operations out of the country too costly for them to make money by doing so. As has been said, it's all about profits, there's nothing wrong with that. If moving jobs out of America becomes un-profitable, it will stop.

The reason they go to other countrys is that it is unprofitable here. Between the inflated union wages and 1/3 of the cost of a vehicle regulatory nonsense they cant make cars anyone can afford here.

[Rams]

Rams..I agree but it is as made in America as my Harley  is.

Understood, and please don't take this as a HD bash.   But, where were the parts that HD is assembled with produced?   Not much different than most other products sold and assembled here I'll bet.

Unless we demand and stick to our guns, eventually, nothing will be made here.   It's capitalism.

I don't like it that Ford is moving it's small car production to Mexico but, all I can do about it is refuse to buy one.   Most folks don't even ask.   Yep, I'm guilty also.   My wife drives a Toyota that was assembled in the US but, if you look close, most of it's parts were made somewhere else.    I tried to convince her to consider something else but, that obviously didn't go anywhere.   She's guilty also.    

Edited:   All of the reasons above and a few more is why I'm considering a MOTUS as my next motorcycle purchase.   The cost is prohibitive but, it's an American made and produced bike.   It's going to take a while for me to get there financially but, it appears to be a viable option for what I like and it's American.   Vote with your wallet, it stings but, that's the only vote that counts.

[MCRIDER]

RIDE SAFE. Oh-don't fergit chinese G M.

So, chinese made cars are unacceptable, but chinese made tools are a must buy? 

[Hooter]

Not a bash at all..when I wrench on my Harley I need both metric and American tools.

[Daycruiser]

Put Hilary in office and watch how much worse this can get.  She get's in you ain't seen nothing yet.

[3fan4life]

My wife drives a Toyota that was assembled in the US but, if you look close, most of it's parts were made somewhere else.    I tried to convince her to consider something else but, that obviously didn't go anywhere.   She's guilty also.    

I don't know which one she has, But:

The Toyota Camry is the MOST American made car

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2016/06/29/survey-top-made--usa-cars-toyota-honda/86510052/

and the Toyota Tundra ties with the Ford F150 for the MOST American made truck that you can buy.

http://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/top-10/top-10-most-american-trucks-for-2015.html