Gotta Ask Why?

[Hooter]

I'm setting at an intersection a little while ago waiting to make a left when a car approaches from the right with its
blinker on so I wait.

As the car gets closer I see it, a dog in the drivers lap hanging out the drivers window. The vehicle starts to turn but goes straight into a street sign and a fire hydrant.

   I pull off and head for the car to ck on the driver. The woman is shaken but OK, as is the dog. The woman says: " I don't understand what happened? REALLY!

   Why do people feel compelled to drive with a dog in their lap? It sure isn'the safe but I see it all the time.  Someone have an answer, a logical one?

[Patrick]

There is no 'logical one'.

[Moonshot_1]

I'm setting at an intersection a little while ago waiting to make a left when a car approaches from the right with its
blinker on so I wait.

As the car gets closer I see it, a dog in the drivers lap hanging out the drivers window. The vehicle starts to turn but goes straight into a street sign and a fire hydrant.

   I pull off and head for the car to ck on the driver. The woman is shaken but OK, as is the dog. The woman says: " I don'the understand what happened? REALLY!

   Why do people feel compelled to drive with a dog in their lap? It sure isn'the safe but I see it all the time.  Someone have an answer, a logical one?

Yes, you drive with the dog in your lap because if you keep the dog at your feet the dog will interfere with the brake and gas pedals. And c'mon, the dog wants to stick his head out the window. How can you be against that?

And I don't appreciate you stereotyping dogs. Just because they hit a fire hydrant doesn't mean it's the dog's fault. Dogs don't always have to pee on hydrants. It was just an accident.

[Oss]

target fixation

Dog had to pee

[J.Mencalice]

Logic of an Older Fellow: Because I can't drive with an 19 year old blond in my lap any longer.  The wife won't let me...and!...I don't get shot!  

Logic of an Older Fellow After Thought:  Any "Distracted" driving is bad (i.e. "Stupid") for oneself and society...don't do it!                                                                                                               

Logic of Einstein: "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits."  

[John Schmidt]

I see it all the time down here. A good friend of my wife had this expensive mutt she always carried on her lap, one day she came whipping in our driveway and almost hit our car. It was the dog getting tangled up in her arms while she was making the turn, I told her if a cop sees that and is low on tickets for the month he'll write you up. She scoffed at even the suggestion of it being illegal so I just dropped it. Less than a month later my wife told me her friend had rec'd. three citations recently.....one for speeding which was the main purpose of the stop, one for no seat belt, and one for having the dog on her lap. You'd think getting a ticket for the dog thing would cure you, but noooo....not her. Wasn't two weeks later a cop saw her make a very jerky turn in pedestrian traffic in downtown Winter Park, another ticket for the dog on her lap. I thought she was smarter than that. 

[Hooter]

   "Dog had to pee", that is good!   . Don't get me wrong here,  I love dogs. , but not while I'm driving. The statement: "I don't understand what happened " was the whole thing. Plus, why a dog has to be in one's lap while driving is the other?

   These are not all woman either. I see guys doing the same thing.

[GARY G]

There is no 'logical one'.

          why do people drive with in there hands cause there stupid thats why

[Robert]

Dont know if this will be logical but it will be an answer.

I didn't like small dogs, but my daughter before she was married and going to college decided to get one over our objections. Well we wound up with the dog and I really found that they have a real personality much different than bigger dogs. I did own a great dane so I am familiar with bigger dogs. I have taken him on the bike to many places and in the saddlebag he never ceases to put his head out and love the ride. You just know how much they love that feeling of sticking their head into the wind. He never, when I go on the bike has not asked to come along when he knows he had the chance. I can tell you I get the biggest laugh when on a rainy day one big rain drop hits him in the head doing say 40  . The reaction is priceless and he has to check slowly to see if the coast is clear to do it again. Or when he first found he could get into the drivers lap and found that cars passing were ok and not to be barked at. Or the time he found wiper blades were OK also and weren't some monster trying to attack us.

I can also tell you of all the stories in riding the motorcycle that I thought people were tailgating me and they were taking his pic in the bag. He did learn at all times to stay in the bag after the first incident of hanging by his leash when we stopped at the house, when he thought it was ok to jump out. NEVER and I mean he never made one move after that to jump out in any situation. I have to give him credit because for a dog I got laughed at walking when he was young at like 2 pounds he has taken a place in my heart for, courage, personality, strength and just a good dog to take journeys with. He is personal and enjoys many of the same things I enjoy. 

I said all that as the reason why people let small dogs do this, they communicate in a way that lets you know how much they like it. I never would have guessed those small yappy dogs could have such a heart or take their owners hearts in such a personal way.

I do ride with him on my lap on occasion and with rules, because like all of you I looked and said WTH?. Never while backing or maneuvering. I do believe having a dog in your lap if you are not prepared is a hindrance to driving but only on tight quick turns. If you have the strength and conviction to be able to move him into the pass seat or to physically get him out of the way of your arms then its ok. I have had to do both. He has not stopped the free movement of my arms while driving on the street because I dont let him. But without discipline and strength it could be a problem.

When we get into the car I put him on the pass seat and stick my finger in the air with a warning. He then waits till I say ok and then gets into my lap but not until. I dont want to cause anyone else concern while driving and have always been able to operate my vechical in a safe way even with him on my lap. If I thought there was going to be a problem he goes on the pass seat and waits.

 I have had one time when while on my lap a kid in a Camaro wanted to get in front of me at a lane narrowing at a construction sight and tried almost to cut me off. He attributed all the problems to driving with a dog on my lap which the guy was a total ahole and had nothing to do with the dog. I just wanted to annoy the living crap out of someone who so richly deserved it. 

The post is long, it rambles and dogs on your lap can be dangerous and some should not be doing it but this is my story with my small dog and hope it will shed some light on the subject. I dont think most should do it, but I dont see anyone getting a ticket for texting while driving or so many other more egregious problems that the frequency of this occurring are so small that its a drop in the bucket of aholes on the road problems. So when I see a dog with his head in the wind enjoying it so immensely I remember my Barkley that so loves the wind. It never fails when I ride to make me think how dogs and us have so much in common. I love the wind also, that is one reason I ride, life seems to change so much with that wind blowing around you. I dont know why, I only know it does and so do dogs.

[Pete]

If one starts with the premise that 92 to 95 percent of the folks are not intelligent enough to be alive except for the grace of someone or something looking out for them it helps with answers to a lot of these types of questions.

[Gryphon Rider]

Dont know if this will be logical but it will be an answer.

I didn't like small dogs, but my daughter before she was married and going to college decided to get one over our objections. Well we wound up with the dog and I really found that they have a real personality much different than bigger dogs. I did own a great dane so I am familiar with bigger dogs. I have taken him on the bike to many places and in the saddlebag he never ceases to put his head out and love the ride. You just know how much they love that feeling of sticking their head into the wind. He never, when I go on the bike has not asked to come along when he knows he had the chance. I can tell you I get the biggest laugh when on a rainy day one big rain drop hits him in the head doing say 40  . The reaction is priceless and he has to check slowly to see if the coast is clear to do it again. Or when he first found he could get into the drivers lap and found that cars passing were ok and not to be barked at. Or the time he found wiper blades were OK also and weren't some monster trying to attack us.

I can also tell you of all the stories in riding the motorcycle that I thought people were tailgating me and they were taking his pic in the bag. He did learn at all times to stay in the bag after the first incident of hanging by his leash when we stopped at the house, when he thought it was ok to jump out. NEVER and I mean he never made one move after that to jump out in any situation. I have to give him credit because for a dog I got laughed at walking when he was young at like 2 pounds he has taken a place in my heart for, courage, personality, strength and just a good dog to take journeys with. He is personal and enjoys many of the same things I enjoy. 

I said all that as the reason why people let small dogs do this, they communicate in a way that lets you know how much they like it. I never would have guessed those small yappy dogs could have such a heart or take their owners hearts in such a personal way.

I do ride with him on my lap on occasion and with rules, because like all of you I looked and said WTH?. Never while backing or maneuvering. I do believe having a dog in your lap if you are not prepared is a hindrance to driving but only on tight quick turns. If you have the strength and conviction to be able to move him into the pass seat or to physically get him out of the way of your arms then its ok. I have had to do both. He has not stopped the free movement of my arms while driving on the street because I dont let him. But without discipline and strength it could be a problem.

When we get into the car I put him on the pass seat and stick my finger in the air with a warning. He then waits till I say ok and then gets into my lap but not until. I dont want to cause anyone else concern while driving and have always been able to operate my vechical in a safe way even with him on my lap. If I thought there was going to be a problem he goes on the pass seat and waits.

 I have had one time when while on my lap a kid in a Camaro wanted to get in front of me at a lane narrowing at a construction sight and tried almost to cut me off. He attributed all the problems to driving with a dog on my lap which the guy was a total ahole and had nothing to do with the dog. I just wanted to annoy the living crap out of someone who so richly deserved it. 

The post is long, it rambles and dogs on your lap can be dangerous and some should not be doing it but this is my story with my small dog and hope it will shed some light on the subject. I dont think most should do it, but I dont see anyone getting a ticket for texting while driving or so many other more egregious problems that the frequency of this occurring are so small that its a drop in the bucket of aholes on the road problems. So when I see a dog with his head in the wind enjoying it so immensely I remember my Barkley that so loves the wind. It never fails when I ride to make me think how dogs and us have so much in common. I love the wind also, that is one reason I ride, life seems to change so much with that wind blowing around you. I dont know why, I only know it does and so do dogs.

To sum it up, people who allow dogs on their lap are stupid, except you because you are careful and have a special technique to get the dog out of the way fast enough to competently handle an emergency situation.

[hukmut]

Liberals.







 

[Robert]

To sum it up, people who allow dogs on their lap are stupid, except you because you are careful and have a special technique to get the dog out of the way fast enough to competently handle an emergency situation.

If that is all you came away with then ok.

Marks of the True Christian
Rom 12:9  Don't just pretend to love others. Really love them. Hate what is wrong. Hold tightly to what is good.
Rom 12:10  Love each other with genuine affection, and take delight in honoring each other.

Faith Without Works Is Dead
Jas 2:14  What good is it, dear brothers and sisters, if you say you have faith but don't show it by your actions? Can that kind of faith save anyone? 
Jas 2:15  Suppose you see a brother or sister who has no food or clothing, 
Jas 2:16  and you say, "Good-bye and have a good day; stay warm and eat well"—but then you don't give that person any food or clothing. What good does that do? 
Jas 2:17  So you see, faith by itself isn't enough. Unless it produces good deeds, it is dead and useless. 
Jas 2:18  Now someone may argue, "Some people have faith; others have good deeds." But I say, "How can you show me your faith if you don't have good deeds? I will show you my faith by my good deeds." 
Jas 2:19  You say you have faith, for you believe that there is one God. Good for you! Even the demons believe this, and they tremble in terror. 
Jas 2:20  How foolish! Can't you see that faith without good deeds is useless? 
Jas 2:21  Don't you remember that our ancestor Abraham was shown to be right with God by his actions when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 
Jas 2:22  You see, his faith and his actions worked together. His actions made his faith complete. 
Jas 2:23  And so it happened just as the Scriptures say: "Abraham believed God, and God counted him as righteous because of his faith." He was even called the friend of God. 
Jas 2:24  So you see, we are shown to be right with God by what we do, not by faith alone. 
Jas 2:25  Rahab the prostitute is another example. She was shown to be right with God by her actions when she hid those messengers and sent them safely away by a different road. 
Jas 2:26  Just as the body is dead without breath, so also faith is dead without good works. 

Luk 11:52  "What sorrow awaits you experts in religious law! For you remove the key to knowledge from the people. You don't enter the Kingdom yourselves, and you prevent others from entering." 

[TallRider]

I kind of agree that people in general should not have dogs in their laps while driving as many will react to the dog versus watching their driving. I do drive with dogs, 2 pomeranians. They do jump around and have on many occasions. I have numerous scratches on my legs from the experince but I have always never took my eyes of of the road and bare the pain and push them back as waranted.

[John Schmidt]

If a person feels they can't operate a vehicle without their pooch going with them, then fine....BUT:  Put the darn dog in a harness so it will stay put. Protects not only you, but the dog as well in case of an accident. And greatly lessens the chance of YOU causing one because of the dog. Treat them as you would a small child for pete's sake. Absolutely no excuse for a dog of any size running loose in a vehicle. It's dangerous....and if you allow it....you're dangerous. 

[The emperor has no clothes]

If a person feels they can't operate a vehicle without their pooch going with them, then fine....BUT:  Put the darn dog in a harness so it will stay put. Protects not only you, but the dog as well in case of an accident. And greatly lessens the chance of YOU causing one because of the dog. Treat them as you would a small child for pete's sake. Absolutely no excuse for a dog of any size running loose in a vehicle. It's dangerous....and if you allow it....you're dangerous. 

Even people who can copy & paste scripture. 

[Hook#3287]

It's dangerous....and if you allow it....you're dangerous.  uglystupid2

In a Nutshell

[Gryphon Rider]

To sum it up, people who allow dogs on their lap are stupid, except you because you are careful and have a special technique to get the dog out of the way fast enough to competently handle an emergency situation.

If that is all you came away with then ok.

Marks of the True Christian
Rom 12:9  Don't just pretend to love others. Really love them. Hate what is wrong. Hold tightly to what is good.
Rom 12:10  Love each other with genuine affection, and take delight in honoring each other.

Faith Without Works Is Dead
Jas 2:14  What good is it, dear brothers and sisters, if you say you have faith but don't show it by your actions? Can that kind of faith save anyone? 
Jas 2:15  Suppose you see a brother or sister who has no food or clothing, 
Jas 2:16  and you say, "Good-bye and have a good day; stay warm and eat well"—but then you don't give that person any food or clothing. What good does that do? 
Jas 2:17  So you see, faith by itself isn't enough. Unless it produces good deeds, it is dead and useless. 
Jas 2:18  Now someone may argue, "Some people have faith; others have good deeds." But I say, "How can you show me your faith if you don't have good deeds? I will show you my faith by my good deeds." 
Jas 2:19  You say you have faith, for you believe that there is one God. Good for you! Even the demons believe this, and they tremble in terror. 
Jas 2:20  How foolish! Can't you see that faith without good deeds is useless? 
Jas 2:21  Don't you remember that our ancestor Abraham was shown to be right with God by his actions when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 
Jas 2:22  You see, his faith and his actions worked together. His actions made his faith complete. 
Jas 2:23  And so it happened just as the Scriptures say: "Abraham believed God, and God counted him as righteous because of his faith." He was even called the friend of God. 
Jas 2:24  So you see, we are shown to be right with God by what we do, not by faith alone. 
Jas 2:25  Rahab the prostitute is another example. She was shown to be right with God by her actions when she hid those messengers and sent them safely away by a different road. 
Jas 2:26  Just as the body is dead without breath, so also faith is dead without good works. 

Luk 11:52  "What sorrow awaits you experts in religious law! For you remove the key to knowledge from the people. You don't enter the Kingdom yourselves, and you prevent others from entering." 

Hmm... I'm not quite sure what this verse eruption is about. Are you saying you are practising your faith that God will protect you and others from the consequences of having a dog on your lap in an emergency situation?

[Hooter]

That's kinda what I was thinking but he must have relevance some place?

[Robert]

The scripture got in there because I was getting a few scriptures together. 

Like everything else I guess unless you have been there you wont get it.

You guys are to much and forget that you also are living life on the edge.
WE take a chance or a calculated risk which we all take when we ride a motorcycle. Some call us nuts and look at us like the dog on the lap. So before you say to much think about what you are doing and think what others will say. One mans ceiling is another mans floor.

As a point that I doubt to many got most dont ride for long with the dog on their lap. With me It is usually only on my drive to work with him in my lap so its about a mile and that is when I take my truck so that is not very often since I drive the motorcycle almost every day. That is why I can say its not a good idea and yet seem to violate the rules. Even on this short distance and lack of frequency I still watch and am prepared.

[solo1]

Robert, i enjoy when you occasionally post quotes from the Bible.

But, for the life of me,  I don't see where that fits in a post about lap dogs.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Robert, i enjoy when you occasionally post quotes from the Bible.

But, for the life of me,  I don't see where that fits in a post about lap dogs.

Maybe he's trying to say "God looks out for fools and babies" ? 

[Earl43P]

http://www.kurgo.com/harnesses/enhanced-strength-tru-fit-dog-car-harness/

      Spend the $30. You're welcome. Your dog will live through a crash and can't cause you to crash in the first place from its tethered seat. You'd do no less for a child or grandchild. You DO love your dog like family, right? Well, reach over and pet them while they are belted in.

Mine gets all excited when I grab the harness, and rides like a trooper - State Trooper, that is. NOTHING escapes his notice and he grumbles and howls with an occasional bark at other vehicles. The other hound just sits for a while, lays down and harumphs until the next stop. She's elderly.



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[The emperor has no clothes]

The scripture got in there because I was getting a few scriptures together. 

Like everything else I guess unless you have been there you wont get it.

You guys are to much and forget that you also are living life on the edge.
WE take a chance or a calculated risk which we all take when we ride a motorcycle. Some call us nuts and look at us like the dog on the lap. So before you say to much think about what you are doing and think what others will say. One mans ceiling is another mans floor.

As a point that I doubt to many got most dont ride for long with the dog on their lap. With me It is usually only on my drive to work with him in my lap so its about a mile and that is when I take my truck so that is not very often since I drive the motorcycle almost every day. That is why I can say its not a good idea and yet seem to violate the rules. Even on this short distance and lack of frequency I still watch and am prepared.

I think G.R. had it right to begin with:
"To sum it up, people who allow dogs on their lap are stupid, except you because you are careful and have a special technique to get the dog out of the way fast enough to competently handle an emergency situation."

[Rams]

If, I allowed Bowser into the driver's seat, there wouldn't be room for me.   

Enough said.

[3fan4life]

Doesn't make sense to me either.

It's dangerous for every one!

In VA driving with a dog on your lap can get you a reckless driving ticket.

[Jess from VA]

Dogs and kids, and girlfriends (and cellphones) do not belong in driver's laps.

I once had a wife provide me oral gratification while driving.  It was a straight and level (and mostly empty) freeway.  It was pretty distracting, but I didn't have an accident.  But I was paying close attention and being real careful not to hit any potholes or bumps.  Teeth can be pretty sharp.

I'm pretty sure this is legally prohibited too. 

[Willow]

...
I once had a wife provide me oral gratification while driving.  ...

Oral gratification?  She spoke to you while driving? ???

[Gryphon Rider]

The scripture got in there because I was getting a few scriptures together.

You mean you accidently pasted all those verses into your reply, but you intended to put them into your Bible study notes that you had open in another window?

Like everything else I guess unless you have been there you wont get it.

You're right, I don't have the joyful experience of having a dog at my elbows as I drive.  I have driven many miles with a Rottweiler in a harness with a seatbelt through the harness, him lying on the back seat back with his butt in the trunk, however.

You guys are to much and forget that you also are living life on the edge.
WE take a chance or a calculated risk which we all take when we ride a motorcycle. Some call us nuts and look at us like the dog on the lap. So before you say to much think about what you are doing and think what others will say. One mans ceiling is another mans floor.

The difference is that someone who chooses a motorcycle over a car is increasing their own risk, while someone who chooses to add a distraction also increases the risk to everyone else on the road with him.

As a point that I doubt to many got most dont ride for long with the dog on their lap. With me It is usually only on my drive to work with him in my lap so its about a mile and that is when I take my truck so that is not very often since I drive the motorcycle almost every day. That is why I can say its not a good idea and yet seem to violate the rules. Even on this short distance and lack of frequency I still watch and am prepared.

I was driving my truck on a road I was very familiar with, and I was paying close attention to my driving.  All of a sudden I had to swerve (I can't remember why, perhaps a piece of debris appeared from under the car in front of me).  What should have been a simple manoeuvre was complicated by the cup of coffee I had in my right hand.  I stayed in control, and nothing bad happened, but I realized that if I had to do something more drastic, the handicap of a cup of coffee could make the difference between a rush of adrenalin and being rushed to the hospital.

[Gryphon Rider]

...
I once had a wife provide me oral gratification while driving.  ...

Oral gratification?  She spoke to you while driving? ???

No, Willow, (Do I have to explain everything?) oral gratification means making his mouth happy.  She was obviously hand feeding him some very tasty food, and he was worried about accidently biting her fingers if he hit a bump.    Her speaking to him would give him aural gratification.

[Wizzard]

...
I once had a wife provide me oral gratification while driving.  ...

Oral gratification?  She spoke to you while driving? ???

No, Willow, (Do I have to explain everything?) oral gratification means making his mouth his mouth happy.  She was obviously hand feeding him some very tasty food, and he was worried about accidently biting her fingers if he hit a bump.    Her speaking to him would give him aural gratification.

LMAO,, thats funny right there 

[Willow]

...
I once had a wife provide me oral gratification while driving.  ...

Oral gratification?  She spoke to you while driving? ???

No, Willow, (Do I have to explain everything?) oral gratification means making his mouth his mouth happy.  She was obviously hand feeding him some very tasty food, and he was worried about accidently biting her fingers if he hit a bump.    Her speaking to him would give him aural gratification.

Thank you for that clarification.  I'm sometimes troubled by how you northern boys spell but those two words are spelled the same way on both sides of the line.    Apparently she was driving.  

[Gavin_Sons]

My bloodhound rides with me in the truck. Sits in the passenger seat and sticks his head out the window. Its hilarious watching all that loose skin and big ears flop in the wind.

[Wizzard]

My bloodhound rides with me in the truck. Sits in the passenger seat and sticks his head out the window. Its hilarious watching all that loose skin and big geas flop in the wind.

That dog understands why folks ride motorcycles. 

[gordonv]

I've never heard this happening before? 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/police-stop-car-sex-1.3622677

No, it wasn't me, no time while driving in the city. Now, maybe on a long hwy drive? 

[F-six]

...
I once had a wife provide me oral gratification while driving.  ...

Oral gratification?  She spoke to you while driving? ???

No, Willow, (Do I have to explain everything?) oral gratification means making his mouth happy.  She was obviously hand feeding him some very tasty food, and he was worried about accidently biting her fingers if he hit a bump.    Her speaking to him would give him aural gratification.

Yeah, when I was young I was blown too by a pretty girl while I was driving..

 

[The emperor has no clothes]

...
I once had a wife provide me oral gratification while driving.  ...

Oral gratification?  She spoke to you while driving? ???

No, Willow, (Do I have to explain everything?) oral gratification means making his mouth happy.  She was obviously hand feeding him some very tasty food, and he was worried about accidently biting her fingers if he hit a bump.    Her speaking to him would give him aural gratification.

Yeah, when I was young I was blown too by a pretty girl while I was driving..

 

After watching the movie "The World according to Garp" I was done with that. 

[..]

Dog
Lap
Crash
Airbag
Strawberry Jelly
 

People who do it are selfish and making it obvious they aren't concerned for their pets safety.

Dog
Lap
Crash
Windshield
Strawberry Jelly with pieces