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https://www.yahoo.com/news/obama-black-voters-personal-insult-trump-clinton-152203956.htmlPresident Barack Obama delivered a stirring speech at the Congressional Black Caucus Foundation dinner in Washington on Saturday night, saying he’d be offended if African-American voters don’t turn out and vote for Hillary Clinton in November. “I will consider it a personal insult, an insult to my legacy, if this community lets down its guard and fails to activate itself in this election,” Obama said. “You want to give me a good sendoff? Go vote
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« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2016, 05:53:41 PM » |
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/obama-black-voters-personal-insult-trump-clinton-152203956.htmlPresident Barack Obama delivered a stirring speech at the Congressional Black Caucus Foundation dinner in Washington on Saturday night, saying he’d be offended if African-American voters don’t turn out and vote for Hillary Clinton in November. “I will consider it a personal insult, an insult to my legacy, if this community lets down its guard and fails to activate itself in this election,” Obama said. “You want to give me a good sendoff? Go vote That's playing the race card ?
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« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2016, 06:21:20 PM » |
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/obama-black-voters-personal-insult-trump-clinton-152203956.htmlPresident Barack Obama delivered a stirring speech at the Congressional Black Caucus Foundation dinner in Washington on Saturday night, saying he’d be offended if African-American voters don’t turn out and vote for Hillary Clinton in November. “I will consider it a personal insult, an insult to my legacy, if this community lets down its guard and fails to activate itself in this election,” Obama said. “You want to give me a good sendoff? Go vote Explain to me how that's 'playing the race card'.....
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« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2016, 07:06:20 PM » |
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« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2016, 07:19:46 PM » |
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Hmmm, sorry Barry but your legacy, such as it is, is already an insult to the American public.
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« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2016, 07:21:57 PM » |
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Hmmm, sorry Barry but your legacy, such as it is, is already an insult to the American public.
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« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2016, 07:22:19 PM » |
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Yes And you would not understand, so why bother.
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« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2016, 08:42:25 PM » |
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/obama-black-voters-personal-insult-trump-clinton-152203956.htmlPresident Barack Obama delivered a stirring speech at the Congressional Black Caucus Foundation dinner in Washington on Saturday night, saying he’d be offended if African-American voters don’t turn out and vote for Hillary Clinton in November. “I will consider it a personal insult, an insult to my legacy, if this community lets down its guard and fails to activate itself in this election,” Obama said. “You want to give me a good sendoff? Go vote Explain to me how that's 'playing the race card'..... To paraphrase Obama: "Because I am African-American, and because you are A-A, you should vote as I say, otherwise you are betraying our A-A brotherhood, regardless of reasons to vote otherwise."
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« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2016, 08:50:04 PM » |
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/obama-black-voters-personal-insult-trump-clinton-152203956.htmlPresident Barack Obama delivered a stirring speech at the Congressional Black Caucus Foundation dinner in Washington on Saturday night, saying he’d be offended if African-American voters don’t turn out and vote for Hillary Clinton in November. “I will consider it a personal insult, an insult to my legacy, if this community lets down its guard and fails to activate itself in this election,” Obama said. “You want to give me a good sendoff? Go vote Explain to me how that's 'playing the race card'..... To paraphrase Obama: "Because I am African-American, and because you are A-A, you should vote as I say, otherwise you are betraying our A-A brotherhood, regardless of reasons to vote otherwise." Maybe I don't understand the term "the race card". I always thought it meant to accuse someone else of discrimination of your race, whether right or wrong. This is the way Wikipedia explains it. Not exactly as I understood it but a long way from what Obama said. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_card
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« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2016, 09:31:49 PM » |
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Amazing that a Canadian had to explain it exactly. He's telling all the blacks to vote the way he wants because he's black too. Actually I consider him to be the first half white president.
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My opinion is, yes it's the race card. Do something based on race. Vote for something, against something, accept as fact 'cause I said so, hate someone 'cause of skin color. Act out of skin color (nationality) regardless of facts, cause, or reason.
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/obama-black-voters-personal-insult-trump-clinton-152203956.htmlPresident Barack Obama delivered a stirring speech at the Congressional Black Caucus Foundation dinner in Washington on Saturday night, saying he’d be offended if African-American voters don’t turn out and vote for Hillary Clinton in November. “I will consider it a personal insult, an insult to my legacy, if this community lets down its guard and fails to activate itself in this election,” Obama said. “You want to give me a good sendoff? Go vote Explain to me how that's 'playing the race card'..... Sure, that's easy. This was Obama speaking in front of the Congressional Black Caucus. An organization based on a specific racial type. If an outgoing "White" president said “I will consider it a personal insult, an insult to my legacy, if this community lets down its guard and fails to activate itself in this election,” And said “You want to give me a good sendoff? Go vote" to an organization known for the pursuit of white supremacy this would be called racist and rightly so. But Obama and the Black caucus get a pass. Nothing to see here.
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« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2016, 03:39:08 AM » |
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I try to stay away from news on weekends but I heard some organization snipet on that yesterday. Pure and simple race card statement, something that has been at the fore front of most of his administration and the real reason race relations have been put back to closer to the 60s. I am sure the alphabet channels and drive bys will not touch this today.
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While I'm not offended, consider this. IF a non-minority (white) elected official while speaking at a KKK event (or any other race related event although the KKK is the only one I can think of) said that same thing, would that be considered a race card? I have no doubt there would be an outcry by the Congressional Black Caucus and NAACP. If a woman said it to a women's group, if a LBGT community member said it to a group meeting, if said at a sheep herder's convention to..........  Well, you can see where I'm going.  I guess I'm not offended because, I'm not surprised. I fully expect each of us to be proud of what we are, regardless of what that is. According to some, I'm a Royal PITA. Not everyone can live up to the demands of such a position.  On election day, I am asking each and every one of you PITAs to stand up and support me.  (Meathead, that means you.) 
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« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2016, 04:03:27 AM » |
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Playing the race card is an idiomatic phrase that refers to exploitation of either racist or anti-racist attitudes by accusing others of racism.
So any time race gets used for good or bad its a race card.
That should be simple enough and I agree his presidency/dictatorship is a disgrace already.
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« Reply #15 on: September 19, 2016, 04:05:29 AM » |
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While I'm not offended, consider this. IF a non-minority (white) elected official while speaking at a KKK event (or any other race related event although the KKK is the only one I can think of) said that same thing, would that be considered a race card? I have no doubt there would be an outcry by the Congressional Black Caucus and NAACP. If a woman said it to a women's group, if a LBGT community member said it to a group meeting, if said at a sheep herder's convention to..........  Well, you can see where I'm going.  I guess I'm not offended because, I'm not surprised. I fully expect each of us to be proud of what we are, regardless of what that is. According to some, I'm a Royal PITA. Not everyone can live up to the demands of such a position.  On election day, I am asking each and every one of you PITAs to stand up and support me.  (Meathead, that means you.)  Ron, you've got my vote. 
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« Reply #16 on: September 19, 2016, 04:16:37 AM » |
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That very race mentality is what got him elected in the first place. Blacks voting for "their man" only because he's B-L-A-C-K as one woman put it. The man could have been the Boston Strangler and got elected by the same group simply because of his race and nothing more. I think I'll start a movement for retirees, demanding higher Social Security payments based on what it could have been had it been cared for/invested like a it should have been. I'll address all my statements only to retirees on SS, and I'll wager I'll have a huge following. Better yet as an afterthought, put all the overpaid politicians on SS instead of the over-inflated retirement they now receive. I'll bet the entire system would be fixed almost overnight. Even then, most of them wouldn't be worth the first penny. 
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« Reply #17 on: September 19, 2016, 04:18:20 AM » |
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While I'm not offended, consider this. IF a non-minority (white) elected official while speaking at a KKK event (or any other race related event although the KKK is the only one I can think of) said that same thing, would that be considered a race card? I have no doubt there would be an outcry by the Congressional Black Caucus and NAACP. If a woman said it to a women's group, if a LBGT community member said it to a group meeting, if said at a sheep herder's convention to..........  Well, you can see where I'm going.  I guess I'm not offended because, I'm not surprised. I fully expect each of us to be proud of what we are, regardless of what that is. According to some, I'm a Royal PITA. Not everyone can live up to the demands of such a position.  On election day, I am asking each and every one of you PITAs to stand up and support me.  (Meathead, that means you.)  Ron, you've got my vote.  Thank You for you support.  But, you didn't answer the question. IF a non-minority (white) elected official while speaking at a KKK event (or any other race related event although the KKK is the only one I can think of) said that same thing, would that be considered a race card?
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Hmmm, wasn't aware there was a "black caucus". My cave door musta been closed that day. Is there a white caucus, prolly not?
I don't believe the statement to be racist but I belive any organization that perpetrates a single entity only is. Weather it's race, color or creed. Sorry, this is our club! No one else allowed. The organization alone in my opinion is.
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« Reply #19 on: September 19, 2016, 05:10:23 AM » |
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While I'm not offended, consider this. IF a non-minority (white) elected official while speaking at a KKK event (or any other race related event although the KKK is the only one I can think of) said that same thing, would that be considered a race card? I have no doubt there would be an outcry by the Congressional Black Caucus and NAACP. If a woman said it to a women's group, if a LBGT community member said it to a group meeting, if said at a sheep herder's convention to..........  Well, you can see where I'm going.  I guess I'm not offended because, I'm not surprised. I fully expect each of us to be proud of what we are, regardless of what that is. According to some, I'm a Royal PITA. Not everyone can live up to the demands of such a position.  On election day, I am asking each and every one of you PITAs to stand up and support me.  (Meathead, that means you.)  Ron, you've got my vote.  Thank You for you support.  But, you didn't answer the question. IF a non-minority (white) elected official while speaking at a KKK event (or any other race related event although the KKK is the only one I can think of) said that same thing, would that be considered a race card?
I guess where I am getting hung up on this is the term "the race card". When I hear that I think it refers to someone accusing someone else of discrimination because of their race. His speech didn't appear to be accusing anyone of that. As far as the example of the Black Caucus or the KKK. There seems to be a big difference between the 2 groups. I'm no expert on either group, but one appears to be a group of legislators trying to advance the cause of their race thru legislation and lobbying. The other group appears to be advancing the cause of their group thru hate, violence, illegal activities. In a perfect world we wouldn't have either group. But there is a difference between the two. So to answer your question. No I don't think it would be considered playing the race card if it was a white politician speaking to the KKK. It would be incredibly stupid and wrong to speak and implicitly endorse said group by doing that. But the way I understand the term, it would not be "playing the race card".
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OK, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I see this as one promoting something to a specific group because he is a member of that group and expecting them to support him because he's of or a member of the group. That group being race. So, in general terms, even by your standard, I think the phrase "race card" applies. How the group accomplishes their goal is irrelevant IMHO. Violence does not have to be involved. It's the goal to unite based on race that makes the difference. He's asking for support due to race. Not based on any other factors. How, can that not apply? As I previously said, I'm not offended, I kind of expected this. I'm not even saying it's wrong, just can't say it isn't race related or, the "race card". Edited: Baldo, feel free to contribute to this discussion. Edit II: I think I'll start a movement for retirees, demanding higher Social Security payments based on what it could have been had it been cared for/invested like a it should have been. I'll address all my statements only to retirees on SS, and I'll wager I'll have a huge following. Better yet as an afterthought, put all the overpaid politicians on SS instead of the over-inflated retirement they now receive. I'll bet the entire system would be fixed almost overnight. Even then, most of them wouldn't be worth the first penny.  Supposedly, that group already exists. It's called AARP. Unfortunately, they sold us out.
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« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2016, 05:47:27 AM » |
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So, Obama has a dog in this hunt?
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It's definitely not the typical definition of playing the "race card". However it is a BLATANTLY RACIST statement !
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« Reply #23 on: September 19, 2016, 06:12:25 AM » |
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It's definitely not the typical definition of playing the "race card". However it is a BLATANTLY RACIST statement ! I understand where you're coming from but, let me give you another example of throwing the "race card". It was either this or last year's Academy Awards and Will Smith's wife (sorry, can't remember her name), protested the Award's ceremony because there were so few black actors nominated. It was all about race. I don't blame her, there were many black actors that should have been considered for the awards but weren't for whatever reasons. But, the fact is, her protest was race based.
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It's definitely not the typical definition of playing the "race card". However it is a BLATANTLY RACIST statement ! I understand where you're coming from but, let me give you another example of throwing the "race card". It was either this or last year's Academy Awards and Will Smith's wife (sorry, can't remember her name), protested the Award's ceremony because there were so few black actors nominated. It was all about race. I don't blame her, there were many black actors that should have been considered for the awards but weren't for whatever reasons. But, the fact is, her protest was race based. And that example I would consider "playing the race card". Because she is accusing the academy of discrimination. I just don't see anywhere in his speech he is accusing anyone of discrimination. Yes it is totally race related. He is imploring black people to vote for Clinton in order to extend his legacy. It is not RACIST as another poster said. He didn't say blacks are better or smarter than whites and that's why you should vote for her. He is doing what all politicians do. He is going out to his constituent groups and trying to get their support. No different than Trump going to a group of NRA members and telling them to vote for him. (Or any other group)
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While I'm not offended, consider this. IF a non-minority (white) elected official while speaking at a KKK event (or any other race related event although the KKK is the only one I can think of) said that same thing, would that be considered a race card? I have no doubt there would be an outcry by the Congressional Black Caucus and NAACP. If a woman said it to a women's group, if a LBGT community member said it to a group meeting, if said at a sheep herder's convention to..........  Well, you can see where I'm going.  I guess I'm not offended because, I'm not surprised. I fully expect each of us to be proud of what we are, regardless of what that is. According to some, I'm a Royal PITA. Not everyone can live up to the demands of such a position.  On election day, I am asking each and every one of you PITAs to stand up and support me.  (Meathead, that means you.)  Ron, you've got my vote.  That's encouraging to hear, meathead. Ron will be voting for Donald Trump and by extrapolation your support for Ron says that you will be casting your vote for the candidate he has selected. In answer to your latest distortion of the English language, racism doesn't exist only when one claims superiority or inferiority based upon race. Racism is at work whenever one calls for an action or claims something has taken place based solely upon race. An example would be within an African nation when recently the members of a particular tribal group went out in force and killed in attempt to eliminate the members of another tribal group. I confess that is ethical difference rather than purely racial difference but the concept is the same. To call for all NRA members to vote for a candidate is indeed gun support related but it can't be racist because it doesn't group them by how they were born. To call for all European descent voters to vote for Hillary would be racist. To call for all black voters to vote for a particular candidate simply because of their race is indeed racist. I saw your definition to which you linked. I didn't agree with it entirely. It did focus upon the claim of racial discrimination but it did leave open the call for racial discrimination. To call for black voters to band together for a particular candidate whether that be Barrack Obama or Donald Trump is indeed calling for discrimination based upon or at least by racial distinction. That's racist. To have a caucus group consisting of, limited to, legislative members of a particular race or ethnic group is racist.
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Well in that case, I rescind my vote for Rams.  Ah! Apparently the PITA caucus is breaking up.  That's ok, polling shows I'm a shoe in for the position..... But, to be fair, I have to inform meathead that any lobbying efforts from this point on will be wasted. Though, I might entertain the thought of being bribed.  Edited: Apologies to any Sheep Herders or Admin out there.  Sheep are Okay (I guess). Just pull'n your chain Carl .
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So would it be racism if George W would have said as he was going out,, " I expect all you caucasian americans to come out and vote in record numbers or I will be insulted" I can predict how that would have been taken. 
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Two sentences, three personal refrences. He'll be offended. Personally? What if he dosen't know me? How can I offend him? That's how they work it, "Everybody knows. As we all know. Let me be clear". Wadda clown.
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