Mall Stabbing

[old2soon]

To our friend up nawth. I live in a small town in Southern Missouri. The Chief of Police here has told me more than once-under the Very BEST of circumstances the L E Os are 5 minutes away. I'm 71 years old. My wrasslin days are over. My Minister at our Church has informed me at each service there are a couple of designated armed people in attendance. Our Church is in a very rural setting. When I walk out my front door I AM Armed. I PRAY I NEVER need to use my weapon(s). But if called upon I WILL. I KNOW most of my neighbors are also armed. And-No-no shootouts ANY night of the week. I DO feel Very uncomfortable in my brothers neck of the woods-Illinois-My CCW NOT honored there!  RIDE SAFE.

[bscrive]

Maybe it might be a generational thing. 
You guys are more than likely older than me, I'm 48.  You have a different view of things then the younger generation. 
I read that just 3% of the adult population in the US owns more than 50% of the guns and that about 55 million people out of your 242 million adults own guns. They didn't get into terms of specific age, but if I was to guess, I bet ya that those 3% are mostly the older generation.  I read another study that said gun ownership in the US is at it's lowest in 40 years. 
I think the younger generation is getting it.

[Valkorado]

Maybe it might be a generational thing. 
You guys are more than likely older than me, I'm 48.  You have a different view of things then the younger generation. 
I read that just 3% of the adult population in the US owns more than 50% of the guns and that about 55 million people out of your 242 million adults own guns. They didn't get into terms of specific age, but if I was to guess, I bet ya that those 3% are mostly the older generation.  I read another study that said gun ownership in the US is at it's lowest in 40 years. 
I think the younger generation is getting it.

Just angry old white guys, eh?  You're forgetting most of those "deplorables" are law abiding gun owners!  Their guns aren't killing innocent people.  Are the ghetto youth gang bangas killing each other and terrorizing their communities with rubber bands?

[Serk]

I'm 44, have 5 gun safes that are packed, and carry all day every day, around the house, taking a nap, playing with my kids, going to the store, whatever. I plan trips around avoiding defenseless victim zones.

I just don't see how anyone can come to the rational conclusion that you're safer in a situation where only the bad guys are allowed to be armed.

I sincerely hope you never regret that choice, just as I sincerely hope that all my time and energy spent carrying is never needed.

[old2soon]

I'm 44, have 5 gun safes that are packed, and carry all day every day, around the house, taking a nap, playing with my kids, going to the store, whatever. I plan trips around avoiding defenseless victim zones.

I just don't see how anyone can come to the rational conclusion that you're safer in a situation where only the bad guys are allowed to be armed.

I sincerely hope you never regret that choice, just as I sincerely hope that all my time and energy spent carrying is never needed.

            Very well stated my Texas friend.  RIDE SAFE

[Patrick]

Maybe it might be a generational thing. 
You guys are more than likely older than me, I'm 48.  You have a different view of things then the younger generation. 
I read that just 3% of the adult population in the US owns more than 50% of the guns and that about 55 million people out of your 242 million adults own guns. They didn't get into terms of specific age, but if I was to guess, I bet ya that those 3% are mostly the older generation.  I read another study that said gun ownership in the US is at it's lowest in 40 years. 
I think the younger generation is getting it.

I think if we looked at the same survey it said that the number of guns is now the highest and that occurred over the past 6-7 years. There has also been a big increase in women buying handguns.
And, yep, I am an old angry white guy and will probably continue to be for quite some time.

[Willow]

...  I have been all over Canada and the US and at no time did I ever feel the need to have a weapon on me.  If I did, I think I would move somewhere safer.
...

I hope you never, ever find yourself in a situation in which you would need one.  If, by some remote chance, you do I hope someone who has one is standing right next to you, perhaps even an off duty RCMP.

The quote that comes to mind is, "If you ever need one and you don't have one you will never need one again." 

[RP#62]

Maybe it might be a generational thing. 
You guys are more than likely older than me, I'm 48.  You have a different view of things then the younger generation. 
I read that just 3% of the adult population in the US owns more than 50% of the guns and that about 55 million people out of your 242 million adults own guns. They didn't get into terms of specific age, but if I was to guess, I bet ya that those 3% are mostly the older generation.  I read another study that said gun ownership in the US is at it's lowest in 40 years. 
I think the younger generation is getting it.

That was based on a recent Harvard poll that's pretty much been discredited.  Another poll was done where they asked if you owned a gun, would you tell a perfect stranger conducting a poll and 97% said no.

-RP

[bscrive]

RP, if it was discredited, then by who or whom was it discredited by and please don't say the NRA.   
It is always easy to say something was wrong, but by not giving the person or organization and how, or why it was discredited is like saying all gun carrying people are crazy.  It just isn't true if it is just said.  And no, I don't think you guys are crazy....okay maybe a little off, but most people are anyways. 

As for Serk....if I lived in Texas I would carry everywhere I went as well...just because of the huge freakin rattlesnakes you have.    

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

I guess I'm one of those that just doesn't get it.

I live in Indiana. Here we have affordable, lifetime, handgun carry permits with no training requirements. These permits allow you to carry openly or concealed. Anywhere you go in Indiana, just stop and look around. If you're not in a gun-free zone then out of every ten or fifteen people you see, at least one of them will probably be carrying a concealed or visible handgun. On top of that we recognize and honor the carry permits of all other states that issue permits. On top of that, you only have to be age 18 in Indiana to get a carry permit. If you're old enough to vote and serve your country, then you're old enough to carry a firearm in Indiana. In Indiana applying for your pistol permit is a right of passage when you turn 18.

And yet, in spite of looking at the walls of every business I'm been in this week, I've yet to find the bullet riddled walls mentioned above. Is it my eyes?

What I do see in Indiana, at least in my part of it, is polite, respectful people going about their daily business with honesty, integrity, and guns.

[bscrive]

I guess I'm one of those that just doesn't get it.

I live in Indiana. Here we have affordable, lifetime, handgun carry permits with no training requirements. These permits allow you to carry openly or concealed. Anywhere you go in Indiana, just stop and look around. If you're not in a gun-free zone then out of every ten or fifteen people you see, at least one of them will probably be carrying a concealed or visible handgun. On top of that we recognize and honor the carry permits of all other states that issue permits. On top of that, you only have to be age 18 in Indiana to get a carry permit. If you're old enough to vote and serve your country, then you're old enough to carry a firearm in Indiana. In Indiana applying for your pistol permit is a right of passage when you turn 18.

And yet, in spite of looking at the walls of every business I'm been in this week, I've yet to find the bullet riddled walls mentioned above. Is it my eyes?

What I do see in Indiana, at least in my part of it, is polite, respectful people going about their daily business with honesty, integrity, and guns.

That's great Frye, but why do you need a gun on you everyday all day? 
I have the same respectful, polite people where I live, yet, no one around here carries a gun.  We feel safe.  I never worry about the person I meet will be a threat, they are just a fellow Canadian.  Does sh!t happen, sure, but to arm yourself to feel safe just in case is just not right in my mind.  When you do that you are taking away a part of your freedom.  You may not think you are, but you really are.  Because of that way of thinking, everyone you meet sees you as a potential threat and you see them as a possible threat.  You may not recognize this upfront, but it is there on a subconscious level. 
Do you ever travel outside of the states?  If so how do you feel when you are walking around without a gun?

Willow,
Off duty cops are not allowed to carry guns either.  When the uniform is off then they are pretty much considered a civilian.  Don't worry, I never worry about needing a gun....maybe when I am stuck in traffic I wish I had a bazooka to get the idiots out of my way. 

[MP]

I guess I'm one of those that just doesn't get it.

I live in Indiana. Here we have affordable, lifetime, handgun carry permits with no training requirements. These permits allow you to carry openly or concealed. Anywhere you go in Indiana, just stop and look around. If you're not in a gun-free zone then out of every ten or fifteen people you see, at least one of them will probably be carrying a concealed or visible handgun. On top of that we recognize and honor the carry permits of all other states that issue permits. On top of that, you only have to be age 18 in Indiana to get a carry permit. If you're old enough to vote and serve your country, then you're old enough to carry a firearm in Indiana. In Indiana applying for your pistol permit is a right of passage when you turn 18.

And yet, in spite of looking at the walls of every business I'm been in this week, I've yet to find the bullet riddled walls mentioned above. Is it my eyes?

What I do see in Indiana, at least in my part of it, is polite, respectful people going about their daily business with honesty, integrity, and guns.

That's great Frye, but why do you need a gun on you everyday all day? 
I have the same respectful, polite people where I live, yet, no one around here carries a gun.  We feel safe.  I never worry about the person I meet will be a threat, they are just a fellow Canadian.  Does sh!t happen, sure, but to arm yourself to feel safe just in case is just not right in my mind.  When you do that you are taking away a part of your freedom.  You may not think you are, but you really are.  Because of that way of thinking, everyone you meet sees you as a potential threat and you see them as a possible threat.  You may not recognize this upfront, but it is there on a subconscious level. 
Do you ever travel outside of the states?  If so how do you feel when you are walking around without a gun?

Willow,
Off duty cops are not allowed to carry guns either.  When the uniform is off then they are pretty much considered a civilian.  Don't worry, I never worry about needing a gun....maybe when I am stuck in traffic I wish I had a bazooka to get the idiots out of my way. 

You never answered my question about what you would do if you, your wife, and daughter were attacked.  Ask the woman who was stabbed to death, in CANADA, about a need to carry every day. Does she wished she carried "every day"?

I feel safe too.  Never needed a gun.  Hope to H=== I never do, and probably won't.

Same applies to my house fire insurance.  The vast majority of people NEVER use their fire insurance.  But, for the few that do, it is VERY important.

You say "a study" said gun ownership at low level.  However, month after month, setting new records on gun purchases. For years now.  SOMEBODY is buying them.

A lot in cities do not own guns.  I think it has more to do with the hard work it takes to practice and shoot, than other factors.

We will continue to disagree. I do not want to force people to own guns, if you do not want to.  However, why do anti gunners want to force their views on us?  Legal, responsible gun owners PREVENT crime, do not commit it. 

Seems like so many antis think that if guns were outlawed, all the illegal guns would be turned in by the bad guys, and it would be Nirvana.  They drink a lot of Koolaid.

[Gavin_Sons]

I guess I'm one of those that just doesn't get it.

I live in Indiana. Here we have affordable, lifetime, handgun carry permits with no training requirements. These permits allow you to carry openly or concealed. Anywhere you go in Indiana, just stop and look around. If you're not in a gun-free zone then out of every ten or fifteen people you see, at least one of them will probably be carrying a concealed or visible handgun. On top of that we recognize and honor the carry permits of all other states that issue permits. On top of that, you only have to be age 18 in Indiana to get a carry permit. If you're old enough to vote and serve your country, then you're old enough to carry a firearm in Indiana. In Indiana applying for your pistol permit is a right of passage when you turn 18.

And yet, in spite of looking at the walls of every business I'm been in this week, I've yet to find the bullet riddled walls mentioned above. Is it my eyes?

What I do see in Indiana, at least in my part of it, is polite, respectful people going about their daily business with honesty, integrity, and guns.

That's great Frye, but why do you need a gun on you everyday all day? 
I have the same respectful, polite people where I live, yet, no one around here carries a gun.  We feel safe.  I never worry about the person I meet will be a threat, they are just a fellow Canadian.  Does sh!t happen, sure, but to arm yourself to feel safe just in case is just not right in my mind.  When you do that you are taking away a part of your freedom.  You may not think you are, but you really are.  Because of that way of thinking, everyone you meet sees you as a potential threat and you see them as a possible threat.  You may not recognize this upfront, but it is there on a subconscious level. 
Do you ever travel outside of the states?  If so how do you feel when you are walking around without a gun?

Willow,
Off duty cops are not allowed to carry guns either.  When the uniform is off then they are pretty much considered a civilian.  Don't worry, I never worry about needing a gun....maybe when I am stuck in traffic I wish I had a bazooka to get the idiots out of my way. 

why do you need a knife? Or a pen? Or a comb? Or whatever else you may carry on a every day basis? These are all tools in case we need them. It is part of my every day dress when i get up. Get a shower put on a shirt and jeans and tuck my pistol in my waist band. I have been doing this since i was 18. Every single morning. On my 18th birthday i went down to the sheriffs department and applied for my gun permit. Got it in 2 weeks, and have carried ever since. Some won't get it but more do than don't. I may never need it and i hope i don't but when you do and you don't have it you will wish you did. And it's probably a good thing you don't carry a gun since you want to use a bazooka to get people out of your way. 

[bscrive]

"You never answered my question about what you would do if you, your wife, and daughter were attacked."  - That is theeee stupidest question I have ever heard, of course I would protect them any way I could.  Doesn't mean I need to carry a gun every waking second just in case.  I am not afraid of society.

"Ask the woman who was stabbed to death, in CANADA, about a need to carry every day. Does she wished she carried "every day"?" - Just because someone is attacked doesn't mean that they would feel safer with a gun.  The gun can be used against you as well.  A scared person should never use a gun, they will get themselves killed or worst, kill some innocent.  You are projecting your fears on others.

"why do you need a knife? Or a pen? Or a comb? Or whatever else you may carry on a every day basis?" - I don't carry any of these on a daily basis.  I use them when I need them.  If you cannot see the difference of carrying a gun and a pen then you are totally deluded.  Handguns were made for one purpose and one purpose only, to kill people.  Try cutting up some veggies with a gun. doesn't work so great does it.   

"And it's probably a good thing you don't carry a gun since you want to use a bazooka to get people out of your way.  " - obviously you are oblivious to humour. As well as other things.   

I tried to keep this discussion light and informative because I wanted to really know your way of thinking, but all you can do is attack. 

I am done with this post, you two are way too far gone.

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

I guess I'm one of those that just doesn't get it.

I live in Indiana. Here we have affordable, lifetime, handgun carry permits with no training requirements. These permits allow you to carry openly or concealed. Anywhere you go in Indiana, just stop and look around. If you're not in a gun-free zone then out of every ten or fifteen people you see, at least one of them will probably be carrying a concealed or visible handgun. On top of that we recognize and honor the carry permits of all other states that issue permits. On top of that, you only have to be age 18 in Indiana to get a carry permit. If you're old enough to vote and serve your country, then you're old enough to carry a firearm in Indiana. In Indiana applying for your pistol permit is a right of passage when you turn 18.

And yet, in spite of looking at the walls of every business I'm been in this week, I've yet to find the bullet riddled walls mentioned above. Is it my eyes?

What I do see in Indiana, at least in my part of it, is polite, respectful people going about their daily business with honesty, integrity, and guns.

That's great Frye, but why do you need a gun on you everyday all day? 
I have the same respectful, polite people where I live, yet, no one around here carries a gun.  We feel safe.  I never worry about the person I meet will be a threat, they are just a fellow Canadian.  Does sh!t happen, sure, but to arm yourself to feel safe just in case is just not right in my mind.  When you do that you are taking away a part of your freedom.  You may not think you are, but you really are.  Because of that way of thinking, everyone you meet sees you as a potential threat and you see them as a possible threat.  You may not recognize this upfront, but it is there on a subconscious level. 
Do you ever travel outside of the states?  If so how do you feel when you are walking around without a gun?

Willow,
Off duty cops are not allowed to carry guns either.  When the uniform is off then they are pretty much considered a civilian.  Don't worry, I never worry about needing a gun....maybe when I am stuck in traffic I wish I had a bazooka to get the idiots out of my way. 

Why do I need a gun on an everyday basis? Simple, because the day may come when I need it and I have no way of predicting what day that will be. Carrying a gun is a huge responsibility, not everyone wants that responsibility. And, not everyone wants that responsibility every day. Some people just carry under certain circumstances or in certain areas. Some people always carry. It's a personal choice. Like what color bike you ride or how many tools you carry in your car or on your bike.

[Bighead]

Not generaitional at all I am your age and had many guns until they were all lost in a tragic boating accident when someo asks do you own guns I say none of your bidness but ifin you want to find out come knocking on my door in the middle of the night 

[RP#62]

RP, if it was discredited, then by who or whom was it discredited by and please don't say the NRA.   
It is always easy to say something was wrong, but by not giving the person or organization and how, or why it was discredited is like saying all gun carrying people are crazy.  It just isn't true if it is just said.  And no, I don't think you guys are crazy....okay maybe a little off, but most people are anyways. 

As for Serk....if I lived in Texas I would carry everywhere I went as well...just because of the huge freakin rattlesnakes you have.    

Oh, you mean stating a conclusion based on an unnamed poll?  I was just following your lead.  Consider this though, since our current president has been in office, gun sales have set all time records for consecutive months going on years now.  Given that, how could anyone come to the conclusion that gun ownership is down in this country?

-RP

[Gavin_Sons]

I'll continue to carry my gun every day and not care what you think of it. Your opinion amounts to a hill of beans anyway since you're over the north border. We had rehearsal for my brothers wedding tonight at a small country church. Guess what was tucked in my waistband? Yep a gun, a scary black one with real bullets and all.