Black Lives Matter and Liberal groups vow to destroy Andrew Jackson statue today

[LTD]

supposed to happen today one p.m. Jackson Square New Orleans La.  We shall see what happens.

[old2soon]

Puts me in mind of them brain dead sumbitchs that were and continue to eliminate history in the arab world.  Yup-THEM scum bags!  RIDE SAFE.

[dreamaker]

I don't understand!  Why are they taking the statue down, he was a President, the 7th I think.

[Gavin_Sons]

I'd zurround it with people with guns and dare them to get close to it. F-ing low life trash.

[LTD]

NOPD did a fantastic job yesterday no riot for now. Stay tuned this is not over yet.

[..]

Damage = jail. Simple really.

[Rams]

I don't understand!  Why are they taking the statue down, he was a President, the 7th I think.

While I haven't researched this, as I remember, Andrew Jackson was a slave owner.  
If, my memory serves me correctly, the first 8 Presidents were slave owners.
Seems pretty hypocritical that those who wrote "all men are created equal" were slave owners.  

[saddlesore]

 See what happens when you destroy a piece of black history.  
  

[hukmut]

+1

[hubcapsc]

I don't understand!  Why are they taking the statue down, he was a President, the 7th I think.

While I haven't researched this, as I remember, Andrew Jackson was a slave owner.  
If, my memory serves me correctly, the first 8 Presidents were slave owners.
Seems pretty hypocritical that those who wrote "all men are created equal" were slave owners.  

Not at all... That statement is their assertion that they are the equal of Englishmen.

-Mike

[MP]

I don't understand!  Why are they taking the statue down, he was a President, the 7th I think.

While I haven't researched this, as I remember, Andrew Jackson was a slave owner.  
If, my memory serves me correctly, the first 8 Presidents were slave owners.
Seems pretty hypocritical that those who wrote "all men are created equal" were slave owners.  

So, then, do we tear down, burn, get rid of, all references to them?  History is history, like it or not.  Do not destroy it, learn from it.  But, that is NOT what BLM wants.  They prefer to destroy. And somehow think tearing down a statue, burning a book, etc., will change what happened.

[signart]

South Carolina governor knocked the door wide open for all American historical symbols, statues, songs and flags (including Old Glory) to be destroyed or replaced while good folks stood silent. Multitudes of fools are now pouring through that door and it can not be shut.
Good folks continue to support NFL while disrespect for our flag and what it stands for spreads from team to team, now our colleges, even the bands and high schools.
A test has been passed for the future replacement of the flag my Father, daughter, son in law, sister and countless ancestors fought for. I have yet to serve, but stand ready.
Another test is coming in the next few weeks that could guarantee it.
Thanks to you that were fortunate enough and willing to serve.

[Rams]

I don't understand!  Why are they taking the statue down, he was a President, the 7th I think.

While I haven't researched this, as I remember, Andrew Jackson was a slave owner.  
If, my memory serves me correctly, the first 8 Presidents were slave owners.
Seems pretty hypocritical that those who wrote "all men are created equal" were slave owners.  

So, then, do we tear down, burn, get rid of, all references to them?  History is history, like it or not.  Do not destroy it, learn from it.  But, that is NOT what BLM wants.  They prefer to destroy. And somehow think tearing down a statue, burning a book, etc., will change what happened.

I'm not suggesting we allow anyone to destroy anything.   In fact, I whole heartedly disagree with the removal of the Confederate flag and removing many civil war statues.    I agree, history is exactly that, history.    Those men were living in a time that had masters and slaves.    They happen to be the masters.    They did not consider slaves to be equal as can be proven by blacks being counted on a census as 1/2 a person around the Civil War time.     I agree with "Learn From It".     I also don't agree with or feel "white guilt".    I've never owned a slave and treat folks as I want to be treated.    I respect other's personal and Constitutional Rights as I expect others to respects mine.   I believe in equal opportunity, if you've got better skills or qualifications, then you're the person who should get the job over me if you're a better hire but, on the other hand I don't believe anyone should hire based on quotas.    Don't get me started on women in the military though.  

That's all the defense I'm going to offer to this but, there is irony in the fact that they wrote "All Men Are Created Equal" and then returned home to their slaves.    If some one can't see that, then they aren't looking.   No insults are intended or offense toward anyone in this response.   BTW, I can't stand Obama, not because he's black.   But because he's destroying this nation from the inside out.   (I'm also not a Trump fan but, he's the lessor of evils in our current dilemma.)   Damn, don't get me started...................

[98valk]

Confederate Soldiers are American Veterans by Act of Congress

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/04/14/confederate-soldiers-are-american-veterans-by-act-of-congress/

[Rams]

Confederate Soldiers are American Veterans by Act of Congress

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/04/14/confederate-soldiers-are-american-veterans-by-act-of-congress/

As it should be.   

[signart]

Confederate Soldiers are American Veterans by Act of Congress

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/04/14/confederate-soldiers-are-american-veterans-by-act-of-congress/

Not only that, my great great Grandmother applied for and received a pension for my great great Grandfathers honorable service in the fight for southern independence and his honorable service in the CSA, from the U.S. federal government. (google Polly Ann Woody Cumberland County, TN)

[cookiedough]

destroying or tearing down objects of history is NOT the answer. 

Hard to believe even in today's society some people still do not understand violence and destruction is not a means to an end. 

Let them get arrested and put in jail where they belong. 

Can't we all get along and leave peaceful lives by disagreeing in a somewhat peaceful manner?

Black lives matter just as much as all other races.  Let the justice system hopefully weed out some of the police dept. that may or may not have done wrong.   I surely would not want to be a police officer in today's society since one questionable move could ruin your life forever as well. 

One thing I do not understand though is with all the other means of resisting arrest or not doing what the police tells them to do,  why the police do not use their tasers or say pepper spray, etc. vs. a handgun especially if not sure if they have a gun?  Maybe because neither of those have a safe range further out to be safe just in case the potential bad guys have a gun on them?   Why can't we come up with another LONGER RANGE take down method that does not kill potential criminals like guns do?  Immobilizing them getting them on the ground giving the police 10-15 seconds to get there safely to apprehend the potential criminals should be a top priority, agree? 

[sleepngbear]

I'm not suggesting we allow anyone to destroy anything.   In fact, I whole heartedly disagree with the removal of the Confederate flag and removing many civil war statues.    I agree, history is exactly that, history.    Those men were living in a time that had masters and slaves.    They happen to be the masters.    They did not consider slaves to be equal as can be proven by blacks being counted on a census as 1/2 a person around the Civil War time.     I agree with "Learn From It".     I also don't agree with or feel "white guilt".    I've never owned a slave and treat folks as I want to be treated.    I respect other's personal and Constitutional Rights as I expect others to respects mine.   I believe in equal opportunity, if you've got better skills or qualifications, then you're the person who should get the job over me if you're a better hire but, on the other hand I don't believe anyone should hire based on quotas.    Don't get me started on women in the military though.  

That's all the defense I'm going to offer to this but, there is irony in the fact that they wrote "All Men Are Created Equal" and then returned home to their slaves.    If some one can't see that, then they aren't looking.   No insults are intended or offense toward anyone in this response.   BTW, I can't stand Obama, not because he's black.   But because he's destroying this nation from the inside out.   (I'm also not a Trump fan but, he's the lessor of evils in our current dilemma.)   Damn, don't get me started...................

My sentiments exactly on all counts. Are you my missing twin brother?

[sleepngbear]

Here we go. How much simpler does it get.



You got it, Mr. Freeman.

[Valkorado]

I'm not suggesting we allow anyone to destroy anything.   In fact, I whole heartedly disagree with the removal of the Confederate flag and removing many civil war statues.    I agree, history is exactly that, history.    Those men were living in a time that had masters and slaves.    They happen to be the masters.    They did not consider slaves to be equal as can be proven by blacks being counted on a census as 1/2 a person around the Civil War time.     I agree with "Learn From It".     I also don't agree with or feel "white guilt".    I've never owned a slave and treat folks as I want to be treated.    I respect other's personal and Constitutional Rights as I expect others to respects mine.   I believe in equal opportunity, if you've got better skills or qualifications, then you're the person who should get the job over me if you're a better hire but, on the other hand I don't believe anyone should hire based on quotas.    Don't get me started on women in the military though.  

That's all the defense I'm going to offer to this but, there is irony in the fact that they wrote "All Men Are Created Equal" and then returned home to their slaves.    If some one can't see that, then they aren't looking.   No insults are intended or offense toward anyone in this response.   BTW, I can't stand Obama, not because he's black.   But because he's destroying this nation from the inside out.   (I'm also not a Trump fan but, he's the lessor of evils in our current dilemma.)   Damn, don't get me started...................

My sentiments exactly on all counts. Are you my missing twin brother?

+1.  Really well stated.   

[dreamaker]

What pisses me off is, my family down the line or I, had nothing to do with the holocaust or anything like it.  My family down the line or I, had nothing to do with slavery or anything like it. I was brought up to treat my elders with respect no matter who they were. We had people in the neighborhood from different ethnic and religious backgrounds; we never thought anything of it. Maybe the only difference was a different assortment of treats they would offer us, that’s it!  Otherwise they were basically the people next door.  We had black handymen that worked around the neighborhood and was respected like anyone else. And through all that, I still get blames for chit I had nothing to do with, because my skin is white!  What the F… does a flag have to do with what is going on today, what the F… does a statue have to do with what is going on now.  What F… pain are you talking about, that it causes you.  I don’t get it! You commit crimes and when you get caught you want to be treated like a victim, and you expect pity and sympathy for your own F….n stupidity, and because you want to live in the past, and because you refuse to be a good citizen.  WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU!!!

[The emperor has no clothes]

What pisses me off is, my family down the line or I, had nothing to do with the holocaust or anything like it.  My family down the line or I, had nothing to do with slavery or anything like it. I was brought up to treat my elders with respect no matter who they were. We had people in the neighborhood from different ethnic and religious backgrounds; we never thought anything of it. Maybe the only difference was a different assortment of treats they would offer us, that’s it!  Otherwise they were basically the people next door.  We had black handymen that worked around the neighborhood and was respected like anyone else. And through all that, I still get blames for chit I had nothing to do with, because my skin is white!  What the F… does a flag have to do with what is going on today, what the F… does a statue have to do with what is going on now.  What F… pain are you talking about, that it causes you.  I don’t get it! You commit crimes and when you get caught you want to be treated like a victim, and you expect pity and sympathy for your own F….n stupidity, and because you want to live in the past, and because you refuse to be a good citizen.  WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU!!!

You know your family tree going back 400 years ?

[dreamaker]

My family is from Poland, didn't have many slaves there. They did get allot of chit from the Cossack though.

[sleepngbear]

What pisses me off is, my family down the line or I, had nothing to do with the holocaust or anything like it.  My family down the line or I, had nothing to do with slavery or anything like it. I was brought up to treat my elders with respect no matter who they were. We had people in the neighborhood from different ethnic and religious backgrounds; we never thought anything of it. Maybe the only difference was a different assortment of treats they would offer us, that’s it!  Otherwise they were basically the people next door.  We had black handymen that worked around the neighborhood and was respected like anyone else. And through all that, I still get blames for chit I had nothing to do with, because my skin is white!  What the F… does a flag have to do with what is going on today, what the F… does a statue have to do with what is going on now.  What F… pain are you talking about, that it causes you.  I don’t get it! You commit crimes and when you get caught you want to be treated like a victim, and you expect pity and sympathy for your own F….n stupidity, and because you want to live in the past, and because you refuse to be a good citizen.  WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU!!!

You know your family tree going back 400 years ?

Even if he does, what difference does it make? What would any of that have to do with him and what's going on TODAY?  My ancestors stole horses for Napoleon -- does that mean I need to return to France and make reparations to the families of anybody my ancestors stole from?

THIS is the problem right now. We cannot change what happened in the past, but we can learn from it. Anybody, regardless of color, who is not willing to rise above whatever happened in the past, learn from it and try to use those lessons to make life better for everyone is not just a part of the problem, they ARE the problem.

[Rams]

My sentiments exactly on all counts. Are you my missing twin brother?

Sorry, no.   I'm much better looking and, an ORPITA.   (I added the OR, it stands for Official Royal.)  


But, we are brothers from a different set of parents.  

[The emperor has no clothes]

What pisses me off is, my family down the line or I, had nothing to do with the holocaust or anything like it.  My family down the line or I, had nothing to do with slavery or anything like it. I was brought up to treat my elders with respect no matter who they were. We had people in the neighborhood from different ethnic and religious backgrounds; we never thought anything of it. Maybe the only difference was a different assortment of treats they would offer us, that’s it!  Otherwise they were basically the people next door.  We had black handymen that worked around the neighborhood and was respected like anyone else. And through all that, I still get blames for chit I had nothing to do with, because my skin is white!  What the F… does a flag have to do with what is going on today, what the F… does a statue have to do with what is going on now.  What F… pain are you talking about, that it causes you.  I don’t get it! You commit crimes and when you get caught you want to be treated like a victim, and you expect pity and sympathy for your own F….n stupidity, and because you want to live in the past, and because you refuse to be a good citizen.  WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU!!!

You know your family tree going back 400 years ?

Even if he does, what difference does it make? What would any of that have to do with him and what's going on TODAY?  My ancestors stole horses for Napoleon -- does that mean I need to return to France and make reparations to the families of anybody my ancestors stole from?

THIS is the problem right now. We cannot change what happened in the past, but we can learn from it. Anybody, regardless of color, who is not willing to rise above whatever happened in the past, learn from it and try to use those lessons to make life better for everyone is not just a part of the problem, they ARE the problem.

I asked because he said none of his ancestors had anything to do with slavery or the Holocaust. I said nothing about anything else.

[Rams]

Even if he does, what difference does it make? What would any of that have to do with him and what's going on TODAY?  My ancestors stole horses for Napoleon -- does that mean I need to return to France and make reparations to the families of anybody my ancestors stole from?

THIS is the problem right now. We cannot change what happened in the past, but we can learn from it. Anybody, regardless of color, who is not willing to rise above whatever happened in the past, learn from it and try to use those lessons to make life better for everyone is not just a part of the problem, they ARE the problem.

Oh Crap, we may be related............
I'm told Blackwell, OK was named after a great, great, great uncle.   He was the first horse thief hung there according to family legend.................   

[Bighead]

What pisses me off is, my family down the line or I, had nothing to do with the holocaust or anything like it.  My family down the line or I, had nothing to do with slavery or anything like it. I was brought up to treat my elders with respect no matter who they were. We had people in the neighborhood from different ethnic and religious backgrounds; we never thought anything of it. Maybe the only difference was a different assortment of treats they would offer us, that’s it!  Otherwise they were basically the people next door.  We had black handymen that worked around the neighborhood and was respected like anyone else. And through all that, I still get blames for chit I had nothing to do with, because my skin is white!  What the F… does a flag have to do with what is going on today, what the F… does a statue have to do with what is going on now.  What F… pain are you talking about, that it causes you.  I don’t get it! You commit crimes and when you get caught you want to be treated like a victim, and you expect pity and sympathy for your own F….n stupidity, and because you want to live in the past, and because you refuse to be a good citizen.  WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU!!!

You know your family tree going back 400 years ?

Even if he does, what difference does it make? What would any of that have to do with him and what's going on TODAY?  My ancestors stole horses for Napoleon -- does that mean I need to return to France and make reparations to the families of anybody my ancestors stole from?

THIS is the problem right now. We cannot change what happened in the past, but we can learn from it. Anybody, regardless of color, who is not willing to rise above whatever happened in the past, learn from it and try to use those lessons to make life better for everyone is not just a part of the problem, they ARE the problem.

I asked because he said none of his ancestors had anything to do with slavery or the Holocaust. I said nothing about anything else.

No you didnt Meathead it is the Implied proverbial crap stirring that he was questioning in your question.

[MP]

What pisses me off is, my family down the line or I, had nothing to do with the holocaust or anything like it.  My family down the line or I, had nothing to do with slavery or anything like it. I was brought up to treat my elders with respect no matter who they were. We had people in the neighborhood from different ethnic and religious backgrounds; we never thought anything of it. Maybe the only difference was a different assortment of treats they would offer us, that’s it!  Otherwise they were basically the people next door.  We had black handymen that worked around the neighborhood and was respected like anyone else. And through all that, I still get blames for chit I had nothing to do with, because my skin is white!  What the F… does a flag have to do with what is going on today, what the F… does a statue have to do with what is going on now.  What F… pain are you talking about, that it causes you.  I don’t get it! You commit crimes and when you get caught you want to be treated like a victim, and you expect pity and sympathy for your own F….n stupidity, and because you want to live in the past, and because you refuse to be a good citizen.  WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU!!!

You know your family tree going back 400 years ?

Even if he does, what difference does it make? What would any of that have to do with him and what's going on TODAY?  My ancestors stole horses for Napoleon -- does that mean I need to return to France and make reparations to the families of anybody my ancestors stole from?

THIS is the problem right now. We cannot change what happened in the past, but we can learn from it. Anybody, regardless of color, who is not willing to rise above whatever happened in the past, learn from it and try to use those lessons to make life better for everyone is not just a part of the problem, they ARE the problem.

I asked because he said none of his ancestors had anything to do with slavery or the Holocaust. I said nothing about anything else.

Then why quit at 400 years?  Why not 2000?  When does it end? Only 1.6% of whites in the US owned slaves. How many generations should one pay for the sins of the Father? 5? 10? 100?  Forever?

Is a Black better off today if he decides to forget the past, and make the most of his life, or is he better off to riot, play the victim, look for gov't handouts?  Which will get him and his family ahead in the long run? Which will end the racism and conflict sooner?

[The emperor has no clothes]

JFC !!! I was curious if he knew his ancestry back to the slavery in America and during the Holocaust. I asked because I have no knowledge of mine past
4 generations. It's becoming strenuous to even ask simple questions here anymore.  ???

[The emperor has no clothes]

What pisses me off is, my family down the line or I, had nothing to do with the holocaust or anything like it.  My family down the line or I, had nothing to do with slavery or anything like it. I was brought up to treat my elders with respect no matter who they were. We had people in the neighborhood from different ethnic and religious backgrounds; we never thought anything of it. Maybe the only difference was a different assortment of treats they would offer us, that’s it!  Otherwise they were basically the people next door.  We had black handymen that worked around the neighborhood and was respected like anyone else. And through all that, I still get blames for chit I had nothing to do with, because my skin is white!  What the F… does a flag have to do with what is going on today, what the F… does a statue have to do with what is going on now.  What F… pain are you talking about, that it causes you.  I don’t get it! You commit crimes and when you get caught you want to be treated like a victim, and you expect pity and sympathy for your own F….n stupidity, and because you want to live in the past, and because you refuse to be a good citizen.  WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU!!!

You know your family tree going back 400 years ?

Even if he does, what difference does it make? What would any of that have to do with him and what's going on TODAY?  My ancestors stole horses for Napoleon -- does that mean I need to return to France and make reparations to the families of anybody my ancestors stole from?

THIS is the problem right now. We cannot change what happened in the past, but we can learn from it. Anybody, regardless of color, who is not willing to rise above whatever happened in the past, learn from it and try to use those lessons to make life better for everyone is not just a part of the problem, they ARE the problem.

I asked because he said none of his ancestors had anything to do with slavery or the Holocaust. I said nothing about anything else.

No you didnt Meathead it is the Implied proverbial crap stirring that he was questioning in your question.

Maybe that's the way it came across. If so I apologize for my lack of proper wording. I questioned him because I have no idea what my ancestors did. I am told I am from German descent. I have no idea if they gassed Jews or even if I really have German blood. As far as I know I could be descended from slave owning Englishmen who bred with former Nazis.

[sleepngbear]

JFC !!! I was curious if he knew his ancestry back to the slavery in America and during the Holocaust. I asked because I have no knowledge of mine past
4 generations. It's becoming strenuous to even ask simple questions here anymore.  ???

Bullshit. Don't start playing the innocent victim here. There was no productive reason for that question in the context of this discussion.

[The emperor has no clothes]

JFC !!! I was curious if he knew his ancestry back to the slavery in America and during the Holocaust. I asked because I have no knowledge of mine past
4 generations. It's becoming strenuous to even ask simple questions here anymore.  ???

Bullshit. Don't start playing the innocent victim here. There was no productive reason for that question in the context of this discussion.

Mr. Bear, you don't know anything about me. And at this point I couldn't care less if you ever do. I've never been a victim of anything . As far as this discussion, Dreamaker said his ancestors had nothing to do with slavery or the Holocaust. He answered my question. I didn't consider recent immigrants.

[Wizzard]

I traced my ancestry back to 1467 in Germany. All I found was german and Swede. Since I am redhead I doubt there was any black ancestry. 

[G-Man]

Puts me in mind of them brain dead sumbitchs that were and continue to eliminate history in the arab world.  Yup-THEM scum bags!  RIDE SAFE.

HOLEY SMOKES, Brother!  That there's exactly what I was thinking. 

I was also thinking, if they do manage to erase history, what crutch will they then use to perpetuate their inability to make something of themselves after 6 generations later.

[G-Man]

You know, I never thought about it......... what would the interest be for a period of more than 2000 years since my ancestors were slaves in Egypt.  Compounded annually, carry the seven, WOW... they should build me a pyramid!

[dreamaker]

Well if you want to nitpick I am 50% Polish, 25% German, and 25% French, so I don’t know what that had to do with here and now, and the future.  Like Sleepngbear says, you can’t live in the past; you have to learn from the past.  I am sure many of you guy had some rough patches in your lives, and you seem to make positive changes, and  not sit there and cry about how your life should have been better for you.  I don’t know, if it is like it in your city, but in Detroit, it seem every day someone is shot, rape, carjacking, stabbing or just a hit and run.  What is the excuse for that, and they want to be treated as victims, it just baffles me!  Got to find a positive solution!

[phideux]

[/quote] You know your family tree going back 400 years ?
[/quote]

I know my history going back more than 400yrs. My family wasn't even in this country when the Blacks were slaves.
My ancestors were actually slaves of the Black Muslims from Tunisia before the Blacks were slaves in America. So where are my Reparations??? Am I supposed to hate all the evil Blacks around today because of it??? Get over it already. The vast majority of Black slaves in America were actually sold or traded to the "White Devils" by other Blacks, they need to blame their own ancestors just as much as the Whites, if not more.
Throughout history just about every race has been held in slavery at one point or another. Suck it up, get over it, act like civilized people. You don't like it here, got a chip on your shoulder, feel oppressed??? Go someplace else where you won't be so oppressed(good luck finding that place).

[RP#62]

Maybe my perspective is distorted by all the white privilege and being deplorable and all, but if I was black, knowing how life seems to be in much of Africa, I'd thank my lucky stars that by design or by circumstance my ancestors got me to this country.  I wouldn't care if they were pulled behind the boat.  But that's just me.

-RP

[signart]

You know your family tree going back 400 years ?
[/quote]

I know my history going back more than 400yrs. My family wasn't even in this country when the Blacks were slaves.
My ancestors were actually slaves of the Black Muslims from Tunisia before the Blacks were slaves in America. So where are my Reparations??? Am I supposed to hate all the evil Blacks around today because of it??? Get over it already. The vast majority of Black slaves in America were actually sold or traded to the "White Devils" by other Blacks, they need to blame their own ancestors just as much as the Whites, if not more.
Throughout history just about every race has been held in slavery at one point or another. Suck it up, get over it, act like civilized people. You don't like it here, got a chip on your shoulder, feel oppressed??? Go someplace else where you won't be so oppressed(good luck finding that place).
[/quote]

It was white folks that freed the black folks.