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To me Politics means graceful deception,( How to screw the Tax Payer and get away with it) and Politics is one subjects I have the least knowledge in. In the race for Presidency, the way I see it, you have two of the most undesirable people that should ever be in the White House. The thing that baffles me is, that it is so obvious that they are a disaster; it makes me think there has to be a hidden agenda, sitting right under our noses. It’s like it is just a distracted show for us. There is something not right here, or have we fallen so low, where this is the new normal, or are we being blindsided?
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« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2016, 08:04:43 AM » |
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I'm with ya dreamaker, the political scene is disheartening at best.
But the way I see it, Donald Trump is not the answer, but he is much better than the status quo that Hillary Clinton represents.
Everyone claims they want real change to our government and whether right or wrong, DT offers that.
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« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2016, 08:45:39 AM » |
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I'm with ya dreamaker, the political scene is disheartening at best.
But the way I see it, Donald Trump is not the answer, but he is much better than the status quo that Hillary Clinton represents.
Everyone claims they want real change to our government and whether right or wrong, DT offers that.
I agree with this statement but to go further in the prohibitive cost of a campaign you get the cronies, UN, special interests and one world government crooks that support and donate to Hillary as a continuation of their agenda. Maybe this is one area that liberals cannot see Trump ran the business his way by his own directions and decisions not granting to many alliances with those that would dictate to him. Hillary is just the opposite she has sold her position and maybe her soul to those who would get her a postilion. That is a major difference. But Trump was able to take his own money and name and go for it, most dont have the money or backing to be able to do that. It becomes a self limiting process in favor of money and special interests. We see that still in the Republicans not backing Trump. Trump used his own money in the beginning, but Hillary took money and support from interests outside the peoples interest to support her. Who to you think she owes favors too? Who did Hillary make the American people obligated to if she gets in office because of her donations and favors?
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« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2016, 08:53:39 AM » |
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Aren't we always being blindsided, especially this time. It seems Trump now doesn't want the job and is handing it to hillary. Maybe some day this country will come to its senses.
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« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2016, 08:56:21 AM » |
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I'm with ya dreamaker, the political scene is disheartening at best.
But the way I see it, Donald Trump is not the answer, but he is much better than the status quo that Hillary Clinton represents.
Everyone claims they want real change to our government and whether right or wrong, DT offers that.
I agree with this statement but to go further in the prohibitive cost of a campaign you get the cronies, UN, special interests and one world government crooks that support and donate to Hillary as a continuation of their agenda. But Trump was able to take his own money and name and go for it, most dont have the money or backing to be able to do that. It becomes a self limiting process in favor of money and special interests. We see that still in the Republicans not backing Trump. Trump used his own money in the beginning, but Hillary took money and support from interests outside the peoples interest to support her. Who to you think she owes favors too? I keep hearing this from Trump supporters. That he is funding his own campaign. Nothing could be further from the truth.
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« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2016, 09:25:49 AM » |
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I'm with ya dreamaker, the political scene is disheartening at best.
But the way I see it, Donald Trump is not the answer, but he is much better than the status quo that Hillary Clinton represents.
Everyone claims they want real change to our government and whether right or wrong, DT offers that.
I agree with this statement but to go further in the prohibitive cost of a campaign you get the cronies, UN, special interests and one world government crooks that support and donate to Hillary as a continuation of their agenda. But Trump was able to take his own money and name and go for it, most dont have the money or backing to be able to do that. It becomes a self limiting process in favor of money and special interests. We see that still in the Republicans not backing Trump. Trump used his own money in the beginning, but Hillary took money and support from interests outside the peoples interest to support her. Who to you think she owes favors too? I keep hearing this from Trump supporters. That he is funding his own campaign. Nothing could be further from the truth. Well I do know that Trump has used a substantial amount of his own money and not taken much in the way of donations so why dont you tell us how much he has taken and from who. But I would also like to know or compare that to Hillary also.
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« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2016, 09:29:27 AM » |
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Yeah, Hillary would be a bad choice if any of what you guys are spouting was true. You have picked up the gop lies, hook , line, and sinker. 
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« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2016, 09:49:38 AM » |
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I'm with ya dreamaker, the political scene is disheartening at best.
But the way I see it, Donald Trump is not the answer, but he is much better than the status quo that Hillary Clinton represents.
Everyone claims they want real change to our government and whether right or wrong, DT offers that.
I agree with this statement but to go further in the prohibitive cost of a campaign you get the cronies, UN, special interests and one world government crooks that support and donate to Hillary as a continuation of their agenda. But Trump was able to take his own money and name and go for it, most dont have the money or backing to be able to do that. It becomes a self limiting process in favor of money and special interests. We see that still in the Republicans not backing Trump. Trump used his own money in the beginning, but Hillary took money and support from interests outside the peoples interest to support her. Who to you think she owes favors too? I keep hearing this from Trump supporters. That he is funding his own campaign. Nothing could be further from the truth. Well I do know that Trump has used a substantial amount of his own money and not taken much in the way of donations so why dont you tell us how much he has taken and from who. But I would also like to know or compare that to Hillary also. I will have save that for later. I'm on my phone at work.
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« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2016, 10:35:38 AM » |
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You know! Thinking about it, if people would just do what they are paid to do, and use our tax dollar for what they are really intended for, we would be having this discussion.
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« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2016, 10:52:04 AM » |
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Trump regularly matches or even may double contributions by people who donate in response to campaign emails How do I know this? Because I am on his Eric and Ivanka's email lists and answer questions I am sent from time to time in his surveys for instance regarding his debates Of course I have no idea if these are actually read..............
If he could just not interrupt her and make faces he should improve in the next debate Debating does have a learning curve He needs to take a few days off and be schooled by Newt
The Repubs who are not supporting him are a dead giveaway that he has struck a nerve and I like that for our country
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« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2016, 11:19:19 AM » |
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Trump regularly matches or even may double contributions by people who donate in response to campaign emails How do I know this? Because I am on his Eric and Ivanka's email lists and answer questions I am sent from time to time in his surveys for instance regarding his debates Of course I have no idea if these are actually read..............
If he could just not interrupt her and make faces he should improve in the next debate Debating does have a learning curve He needs to take a few days off and be schooled by Newt
The Repubs who are not supporting him are a dead giveaway that he has struck a nerve and I like that for our country
I don't think it is a nerve he struck, I think it is more like fear, a person with a backbone and balls(figuratively speaking) Maybe play time and bullchit could be over. If it was just hot air on Trump's part acting like tough guy, if so then why would people trying to dig up every piece of dirt on him to discredit him. I am not saying he is the best choice for the White House, I am just saying he seem to be scaring the crap out of allot of people, at first impression.
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« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2016, 11:20:51 AM » |
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The Donald is the candidate because people were getting tired of the do nothing Republicans.
If the Republican entrenched DC arseholes had realized what was going on with the Republican party, we would've have had someone else instead of Trump.
No, instead of adopting Trump's argument, some of them refused to believe that we were sick of business as usual.
You can still see it as some still refuse to back Trump.
He might not be the one but the alternative is an established proven liar who compromised our security and will continue Obamas' anti American policies.
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« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2016, 12:42:22 PM » |
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Who is experienced enough to be president except ex presidents. We don't want that do we? We need someone with different ideas and it's not Hildabeast. She has experience but the wrong kind. I'm for Trump,at least for the next four years. It should be interesting anyway.
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« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2016, 02:01:32 PM » |
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Yes we have a problem with the system. It is corrupt and self serving.
I do not like Trump because I feel he is arrogant, narcissistic, and reminds me of a school yard bully.
BUT I despise Hillary and just about everything she stands for so Trump it is. It is really sad when we have to continually have to vote for the lessor of the two evils.
Although if Trump does get in, and he does 25% of what he says he will do, our country will be better off than we are now.
Hoping for the best for my grandchildren,
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« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2016, 02:04:28 PM » |
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« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2016, 02:11:13 PM » |
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« Reply #16 on: October 02, 2016, 07:33:56 PM » |
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Trump regularly matches or even may double contributions by people who donate in response to campaign emails How do I know this? Because I am on his Eric and Ivanka's email lists and answer questions I am sent from time to time in his surveys for instance regarding his debates Of course I have no idea if these are actually read..............
If he could just not interrupt her and make faces he should improve in the next debate Debating does have a learning curve He needs to take a few days off and be schooled by Newt
The Repubs who are not supporting him are a dead giveaway that he has struck a nerve and I like that for our country
Agree. I've been making donations to him as I can, knowing he matches my donations helps me dig a little deeper. No doubt Cruz would be better at debating but as Trump has said. "He's not a professional politician and he's proud of it". When the fat cats in both parties are against him, when Hollywood is against him, when the media is against him, it tells me he's the man for the job. History is full of "unlikely heroes". It's my hope he will be another one.
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« Reply #17 on: October 02, 2016, 08:19:57 PM » |
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I'm with ya dreamaker, the political scene is disheartening at best.
But the way I see it, Donald Trump is not the answer, but he is much better than the status quo that Hillary Clinton represents.
Everyone claims they want real change to our government and whether right or wrong, DT offers that.
I agree with this statement but to go further in the prohibitive cost of a campaign you get the cronies, UN, special interests and one world government crooks that support and donate to Hillary as a continuation of their agenda. But Trump was able to take his own money and name and go for it, most dont have the money or backing to be able to do that. It becomes a self limiting process in favor of money and special interests. We see that still in the Republicans not backing Trump. Trump used his own money in the beginning, but Hillary took money and support from interests outside the peoples interest to support her. Who to you think she owes favors too? I keep hearing this from Trump supporters. That he is funding his own campaign. Nothing could be further from the truth. Well I do know that Trump has used a substantial amount of his own money and not taken much in the way of donations so why dont you tell us how much he has taken and from who. But I would also like to know or compare that to Hillary also. I will have save that for later. I'm on my phone at work. On my phone at work? How in the hell can you get paid to be on your phone posting on a forum? You and all who do this should be fired ,you are at work to WORK not surf the web.
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« Reply #18 on: October 02, 2016, 08:23:41 PM » |
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I'm with ya dreamaker, the political scene is disheartening at best.
But the way I see it, Donald Trump is not the answer, but he is much better than the status quo that Hillary Clinton represents.
Everyone claims they want real change to our government and whether right or wrong, DT offers that.
I agree with this statement but to go further in the prohibitive cost of a campaign you get the cronies, UN, special interests and one world government crooks that support and donate to Hillary as a continuation of their agenda. But Trump was able to take his own money and name and go for it, most dont have the money or backing to be able to do that. It becomes a self limiting process in favor of money and special interests. We see that still in the Republicans not backing Trump. Trump used his own money in the beginning, but Hillary took money and support from interests outside the peoples interest to support her. Who to you think she owes favors too? I keep hearing this from Trump supporters. That he is funding his own campaign. Nothing could be further from the truth. Well I do know that Trump has used a substantial amount of his own money and not taken much in the way of donations so why dont you tell us how much he has taken and from who. But I would also like to know or compare that to Hillary also. I will have save that for later. I'm on my phone at work. On my phone at work? How in the hell can you get paid to be on your phone posting on a forum? You and all who do this should be fired ,you are at work to WORK not surf the web. 
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« Reply #19 on: October 02, 2016, 08:24:51 PM » |
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I'm with ya dreamaker, the political scene is disheartening at best.
But the way I see it, Donald Trump is not the answer, but he is much better than the status quo that Hillary Clinton represents.
Everyone claims they want real change to our government and whether right or wrong, DT offers that.
I agree with this statement but to go further in the prohibitive cost of a campaign you get the cronies, UN, special interests and one world government crooks that support and donate to Hillary as a continuation of their agenda. But Trump was able to take his own money and name and go for it, most dont have the money or backing to be able to do that. It becomes a self limiting process in favor of money and special interests. We see that still in the Republicans not backing Trump. Trump used his own money in the beginning, but Hillary took money and support from interests outside the peoples interest to support her. Who to you think she owes favors too? I keep hearing this from Trump supporters. That he is funding his own campaign. Nothing could be further from the truth. Well I do know that Trump has used a substantial amount of his own money and not taken much in the way of donations so why dont you tell us how much he has taken and from who. But I would also like to know or compare that to Hillary also. I will have save that for later. I'm on my phone at work. On my phone at work? How in the hell can you get paid to be on your phone posting on a forum? You and all who do this should be fired ,you are at work to WORK not surf the web.  Biggie are you drinking again tonight ? Now you know my scheduling and lunches, breaks, and workload ? I thought you were out on a trip riding with your wife ? This is what you call quality time ?
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« Reply #20 on: October 02, 2016, 08:26:40 PM » |
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Yeah you and hi. Are being paid to do a job not surf the web. So fired it is, oh wait that just means more I have to pay for. Sorry carry on I support enough already 
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« Reply #22 on: October 02, 2016, 10:59:26 PM » |
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« Reply #23 on: October 03, 2016, 06:22:12 AM » |
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To me Politics means graceful deception,( How to screw the Tax Payer and get away with it) and Politics is one subjects I have the least knowledge in. In the race for Presidency, the way I see it, you have two of the most undesirable people that should ever be in the White House. The thing that baffles me is, that it is so obvious that they are a disaster; it makes me think there has to be a hidden agenda, sitting right under our noses. It’s like it is just a distracted show for us. There is something not right here, or have we fallen so low, where this is the new normal, or are we being blindsided?
New Normal. This new normal, though, is what has given rise to Trump. There was always deception and corruption in our gov't. In every gov't from local to federal. However, the last two administrations have been really bad at hiding it. I don't think this last administration even cared about hiding it. From the Stimulus democrat slush fund, to congressional and senatorial bribes to pass the ACA, FBI scandal,the meeting of planes in Arizona followed by no indictement, everybody pleading the 5th with nothing to show for it, and on and on and on. Unfortunately there are sooooo many on the receiving end that they don't want the present "system" to end and will vote to keep things the same. There has never been an openly more corrupt canditdate than Clinton, and she's going to be our next president because of the need to keep things the same even though the majority say the country is headed in the wrong direction.
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