When will he hit bottom?

[Gavin_Sons]

Every day seems to bring a new low to light. Mr trump has been a very bad boy and it's starting to catch up with him....

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article105849807.html

You talk about DT having bad days and new "lows", HC has been setting new lows for decades.

If lows were a number line HC would be so far into negative numbers she could do everything "right" for the rest of her life and still not get back to zero.


What makes HC such an appealing candidate?

Her career as an honorable politician?

Her trust worthiness?

Her acute knack in decision making?

Her acceptance of personal responsibility?

Her profound ability to forget important things except when it comes to everything in her books?

I'm really interested in knowing how someone can be so pro Clinton in this election, because I haven't met anyone that says they are voting for her, maybe they're too ashamed to admit it publicly.

Mike,

Again, I've said this many times. I'm not a Hillary fan. But, she'll get my vote for one big reason.

She's not Trump.

Well you fooled us by not being a Hillary fan, you seem like a pretty big supporter of corruption and criminal activity 

[baldo]

Real Clear Politics tracked a series of donations Trump made through his foundation between 2011 and 2014 totaling at least $286,000 to right-leaning policy groups. The analysis found that timing of the donations lined up with endorsements from such groups or speaking invitations at conferences and events. These engagements gave him a stage and access to the voters he would later hope to court during his unconventional presidential campaign.

Trump officially announced he was running for the White House in June 2015, but appears to have had his eye on the presidency years before.

That above is a paragraph from the article you posted **

So let me break this down, Trump,    paid,   right leaning policy groups to  offer him    a speaking engagement when he was    not even in the presidential race to attain notoriety.

The mind Police said he obviously knew he was going to run so its a problem.  

Really, I mean really, are you kidding?

So lets say he knew he was going to run for arguments sake,

So he paid for a speaking engagement and the only thing he received was notoriety.

Well lets see and do a comparison,

 Hillary gave State secrets and State favors to have Bill or herself speak at engagements and those groups paid Hillary or Bill to speak making payments or donations to the Clinton foundation.

She paid with state secrets and time and favors and reaped the reward of money while she was in or working for the State Department.

Sure doesn't sound the same to me, in fact that has to be the stupidest article and charges I have ever seen. 

Robert,

I can't believe I'm doing this, but I'm afraid I'll have to concede your point. Re-reading the article, I realize it is a bit thin on substance. I think my eyes were bigger than my stomach in this case. I expected there to be some followup today, but the only new post is from the conservative site Newsmax. Mark your calendars boys. This is the one and only time I'll ever link to that site. 

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/trump-foundation-money-political/2016/10/04/id/751598/

It doesn't have much of anything new, just the fact that they're reporting it is noteworthy.

PS  I reserve the right to say 'I told you so' if this story ends up growing legs in the future.   

[The emperor has no clothes]

Real Clear Politics tracked a series of donations Trump made through his foundation between 2011 and 2014 totaling at least $286,000 to right-leaning policy groups. The analysis found that timing of the donations lined up with endorsements from such groups or speaking invitations at conferences and events. These engagements gave him a stage and access to the voters he would later hope to court during his unconventional presidential campaign.

Trump officially announced he was running for the White House in June 2015, but appears to have had his eye on the presidency years before.

That above is a paragraph from the article you posted **

So let me break this down, Trump,    paid,   right leaning policy groups to  offer him    a speaking engagement when he was    not even in the presidential race to attain notoriety.

The mind Police said he obviously knew he was going to run so its a problem.  

Really, I mean really, are you kidding?

So lets say he knew he was going to run for arguments sake,

So he paid for a speaking engagement and the only thing he received was notoriety.

Well lets see and do a comparison,

 Hillary gave State secrets and State favors to have Bill or herself speak at engagements and those groups paid Hillary or Bill to speak making payments or donations to the Clinton foundation.

She paid with state secrets and time and favors and reaped the reward of money while she was in or working for the State Department.

Sure doesn't sound the same to me, in fact that has to be the stupidest article and charges I have ever seen. 

Robert,

I can't believe I'm doing this, but I'm afraid I'll have to concede your point. Re-reading the article, I realize it is a bit thin on substance. I think my eyes were bigger than my stomach in this case. I expected there to be some followup today, but the only new post is from the conservative site Newsmax. Mark your calendars boys. This is the one and only time I'll ever link to that site. 

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/trump-foundation-money-political/2016/10/04/id/751598/

It doesn't have much of anything new, just the fact that they're reporting it is noteworthy.

PS  I reserve the right to say 'I told you so' if this story ends up growing legs in the future.   

uh oh, Bob you aren't going over to the dark side are you ? 

[baldo]

Real Clear Politics tracked a series of donations Trump made through his foundation between 2011 and 2014 totaling at least $286,000 to right-leaning policy groups. The analysis found that timing of the donations lined up with endorsements from such groups or speaking invitations at conferences and events. These engagements gave him a stage and access to the voters he would later hope to court during his unconventional presidential campaign.

Trump officially announced he was running for the White House in June 2015, but appears to have had his eye on the presidency years before.

That above is a paragraph from the article you posted **

So let me break this down, Trump,    paid,   right leaning policy groups to  offer him    a speaking engagement when he was    not even in the presidential race to attain notoriety.

The mind Police said he obviously knew he was going to run so its a problem.  

Really, I mean really, are you kidding?

So lets say he knew he was going to run for arguments sake,

So he paid for a speaking engagement and the only thing he received was notoriety.

Well lets see and do a comparison,

 Hillary gave State secrets and State favors to have Bill or herself speak at engagements and those groups paid Hillary or Bill to speak making payments or donations to the Clinton foundation.

She paid with state secrets and time and favors and reaped the reward of money while she was in or working for the State Department.

Sure doesn't sound the same to me, in fact that has to be the stupidest article and charges I have ever seen. 

Robert,

I can't believe I'm doing this, but I'm afraid I'll have to concede your point. Re-reading the article, I realize it is a bit thin on substance. I think my eyes were bigger than my stomach in this case. I expected there to be some followup today, but the only new post is from the conservative site Newsmax. Mark your calendars boys. This is the one and only time I'll ever link to that site. 

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/trump-foundation-money-political/2016/10/04/id/751598/

It doesn't have much of anything new, just the fact that they're reporting it is noteworthy.

PS  I reserve the right to say 'I told you so' if this story ends up growing legs in the future.   

uh oh, Bob you aren't going over to the dark side are you ? 

Not so much... Just wanted to give credit where credit is due. In the short time I have available, I don't want to chase around the interwebs for something that MIGHT not be there.....

I'm working on the bike to be ready for tomorrow, and I have a wake to go to this afternoon. A very good friend lost her 22 yr old daughter Saturday night in a horrific crash.

Are you in NY yet?

[The emperor has no clothes]

Real Clear Politics tracked a series of donations Trump made through his foundation between 2011 and 2014 totaling at least $286,000 to right-leaning policy groups. The analysis found that timing of the donations lined up with endorsements from such groups or speaking invitations at conferences and events. These engagements gave him a stage and access to the voters he would later hope to court during his unconventional presidential campaign.

Trump officially announced he was running for the White House in June 2015, but appears to have had his eye on the presidency years before.

That above is a paragraph from the article you posted **

So let me break this down, Trump,    paid,   right leaning policy groups to  offer him    a speaking engagement when he was    not even in the presidential race to attain notoriety.

The mind Police said he obviously knew he was going to run so its a problem.  

Really, I mean really, are you kidding?

So lets say he knew he was going to run for arguments sake,

So he paid for a speaking engagement and the only thing he received was notoriety.

Well lets see and do a comparison,

 Hillary gave State secrets and State favors to have Bill or herself speak at engagements and those groups paid Hillary or Bill to speak making payments or donations to the Clinton foundation.

She paid with state secrets and time and favors and reaped the reward of money while she was in or working for the State Department.

Sure doesn't sound the same to me, in fact that has to be the stupidest article and charges I have ever seen. 

Robert,

I can't believe I'm doing this, but I'm afraid I'll have to concede your point. Re-reading the article, I realize it is a bit thin on substance. I think my eyes were bigger than my stomach in this case. I expected there to be some followup today, but the only new post is from the conservative site Newsmax. Mark your calendars boys. This is the one and only time I'll ever link to that site. 

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/trump-foundation-money-political/2016/10/04/id/751598/

It doesn't have much of anything new, just the fact that they're reporting it is noteworthy.

PS  I reserve the right to say 'I told you so' if this story ends up growing legs in the future.   

uh oh, Bob you aren't going over to the dark side are you ? 

Not so much... Just wanted to give credit where credit is due. In the short time I have available, I don't want to chase around the interwebs for something that MIGHT not be there.....

I'm working on the bike to be ready for tomorrow, and I have a wake to go to this afternoon. A very good friend lost her 22 yr old daughter Saturday night in a horrific crash.

Are you in NY yet?

Oh man. That's terrible to hear. I'm really sorry.  :'( We fly out of Vegas tonight and arrive tomorrow morning . What are you working on ?

[baldo]

My fuel rail o-rings are leaking again. I've got the carbs out, but having a bitch of a time getting them apart...Can you say corrosion?...I knew you could.....

PO's SUCK!

[BradValk48237]

UH Oh


I think he just hit bottom bottom... all over the news... Audio tape....

" I moved on her like a bitch..and she was married...."

"You can do that when you're a star, you can do anything... they let you do it"

So much for the ladies vote.....

B

[MP]

Yeah, and Hillary's transcripts of her speeches she made millions on, and refused to release, have also been leaked.  It is no wonder that she did not want them released!

BOTH will get even lower in likeability!  What a race to the bottom.

[mike72903]

It was apparent months ago he is a crude egomaniac so I don't know why anyone would be surprised at his saying that.  "just grap them by the p---y".  It's going to be HUGE! LOL.

[Pete]

Who knows or cares.
Just know that Hillary is there waiting on him and has been there for a lot of years.

I know it is a real bitch when your political selection (Hillary) is such a low life.
I would think by now most would be smart enough to run from her.

But then it is not the first time the democrats have nominated a low life (or unqualified) and and would not be the first time they elect one.

But it may be the worst they have ever nominated and if elected the worst they have ever elected.
The good is that Obama will not be known as the worst president, but the democrats would have a lock on the 3 worst presidents in modern history. Hillary, Obama, Carter.

Carter is grateful to Hillary and Obama moving him off the bottom of the list.

[therapist]

My friends in NYC, some of them in real estate, have been telling me for months, "don't worry, just wait".
This is why the city did not vote for him in the primaries. They have been witness to
his sleezyness and phony gold plated narcissism, since the 70's.
It was just a matter of time before the world discovered what New Yorkers have always known.

Now, let's see if his supporters begin to open their eyes. Yes, Hillary has a ton of baggage,
But this guy, as our President? Really?

[Rams]

Now, let's see if his supporters begin to open their eyes.  Yes, Hillary has a ton of baggage,
But this guy, as our President? Really?

I've said it many times previously, I'm not a Trump fan.    

I'm also not making excuses for him.    He has the mouth of a biker (generally speaking from all those I know).    While this was an open mike conversation someone recorded, he still should not have said what was recorded.     But, I don't live in a glass house and have most likely said things in private that I surely wouldn't want repeated in public.    I'm betting, we all have.    He's still a better choice than Clinton.    Almost anyone is.    Trump is by no means my first choice but, with the system in place, he's my only option.

If, he's ever proven to have lied, cheated, conned and gotten his people killed (edited, almost forgot about her email scandal and the Clinton Foundation "Pay to Play" crap) as Clinton has done, I'll vote 3rd party but, until then I'm in his camp.    Anyone but Clinton, she should be in jail....

[mike72903]

Now, let's see if his supporters begin to open their eyes.  Yes, Hillary has a ton of baggage,
But this guy, as our President? Really?

I've said it many times previously, I'm not a Trump fan.    

I'm also not making excuses for him.    He has the mouth of a biker (generally speaking from all those I know).    While this was an open mike conversation someone recorded, he still should not have said what was recorded.     But, I don't live in a glass house and have most likely said things in private that I surely wouldn't want repeated in public.    I'm betting, we all have.    He's still a better choice than Clinton.    Almost anyone is.    Trump is by no means my first choice but, with the system in place, he's my only option.

If, he's ever proven to have lied, cheated, conned and gotten his people killed (edited, almost forgot about her email scandal and the Clinton Foundation "Pay to Play" crap) as Clinton has done, I'll vote 3rd party but, until then I'm in his camp.    Anyone but Clinton, she should be in jail....

Not sure where you get your news but the Trump Foundation (something he hasn't contributed a penny to in 8 year)is in deep trouble for Pay to Play as well as financing Trumps personal expenses.  Lying, cheating and conning is the very definition of his business practices and personal reputation.  Like therapist notes the people of NY know.  Third party it is

[Rams]

As has been noted many times in the past on this forum and many others.

Few (if any) will be changing their minds about these two candidates.    

Edited:  After reading the available reports about the Billy Bush interview with Trump, I agree with it being "locker room" talk.   That doesn't mean it's acceptable nor is it Politically Correct but, few (if any) of us hasn't been guilty at some point.    

[therapist]

Robert DiNiro on Fox news. He lives in NYC and knows Trump well.

http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/10/07/robert-de-niro-rips-donald-trump-new-ad-kelly-file-exclusive

[Rams]

Robert DiNiro on Fox news. He lives in NYC and knows Trump well.

Why would I or anyone else care what DeNiro or any other celebrity thinks?

If all of your, my, DeNiro's, Bill Clinton's or anyone else's words and deeds were recorded as much as Trump's and Hillary's, I'm quite confident there would be a lot of apologizing going on.    

I still don't like Trump but, I damn sure won't vote Clinton.  

[solo1]

Movie stars seem to have a tendency to become overwhelmed by their own unearned importance and make headlines because of it. 

As Ram says, I agree. Trump is not my favorite.  So far, much of the furor is about his words.  Yes, he is a potty mouth and blows off steam.  That doesn't disqualify him.  In fact, if you would sit back and think, he is being attacked for his words because Clinton cannot talk about her actions.

Clinton has a record not based on words but based on actions.  She is a proven liar, she has demonstrated contempt for our security, she has left four persons to die, and then told a falsehood about a video.  She is Corrupt. In every way, she has demonstrated by her actions that she is unfit.

It is true............ Actions speak louder than words.   However, politically that is reversed.

[Rams]

It is true............ Actions speak louder than words.   However, politically that is reversed.

So very true.    Many have defended Slick Willy during and after his time in office.   His actions (as reported) were so far beyond those of Trump and yet those same folks want to condemn Trump.   

IMHO, both are indefensible but, if Bill was running against Hillary, who would they vote for?

[Rams]

I do have one question though, not really related to Trump but kind of applies.

My understanding is that 50 Shades of Grey sold over 80 million copies, who do you think bought all those books?   

[Pappy!]

So lets see here.....the liberals are ripping Trump for a statement he made 10 years ago. First. Let the man who has never made a similar statement to another man about a woman cast the first stone.....any takers? Any? Let me get my boots on first......
Secondly, if that makes him unfit to be president then how about when Bill Clinton was running cigars up Monica's you know what....in the Oval Office? Then your darling Hillary was on the rampare trying to get Monica to go away. Some role model they are.

[The emperor has no clothes]

So lets see here.....the liberals are ripping Trump for a statement he made 10 years ago. First. Let the man who has never made a similar statement to another man about a woman cast the first stone.....any takers? Any? Let me get my boots on first......
Secondly, if that makes him unfit to be president then how about when Bill Clinton was running cigars up Monica's you know what....in the Oval Office? Then your darling Hillary was on the rampare trying to get Monica to go away. Some role model they are.

What's a rampare ?

[Rams]

So lets see here.....the liberals are ripping Trump for a statement he made 10 years ago. First. Let the man who has never made a similar statement to another man about a woman cast the first stone.....any takers? Any? Let me get my boots on first......
Secondly, if that makes him unfit to be president then how about when Bill Clinton was running cigars up Monica's you know what....in the Oval Office? Then your darling Hillary was on the rampare trying to get Monica to go away. Some role model they are.

What's a rampare ?

Pretty sure he meant rampage but then, I think you know that.

[The emperor has no clothes]

So lets see here.....the liberals are ripping Trump for a statement he made 10 years ago. First. Let the man who has never made a similar statement to another man about a woman cast the first stone.....any takers? Any? Let me get my boots on first......
Secondly, if that makes him unfit to be president then how about when Bill Clinton was running cigars up Monica's you know what....in the Oval Office? Then your darling Hillary was on the rampare trying to get Monica to go away. Some role model they are.

What's a rampare ?

Pretty sure he meant rampage but then, I think you know that.

Oss was a bad influence on me tonight. I don't know nothing. 

[Robert]

Yup if the media continues to play up a Trump tape of 10 years ago then they wont have to deal with what Wiki leaks disclosed on Hillary. Typical bait and switch and the article below from the New York Times not exactly a conservative paper, absolutely confirms our worst fears on Hillary.  

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/08/us/politics/hillary-clinton-speeches-wikileaks.html?_r=0

In lucrative paid speeches that Hillary Clinton delivered to elite financial firms but refused to disclose to the public, she displayed an easy comfort with titans of business, embraced unfettered international trade and praised a budget-balancing plan that would have required cuts to Social Security, according to documents posted online Friday by WikiLeaks.

In the excerpts from her paid speeches to financial institutions and corporate audiences, Mrs. Clinton said she dreamed of “open trade and open borders” throughout the Western Hemisphere. Citing the back-room deal-making and arm-twisting used by Abraham Lincoln, she mused on the necessity of having “both a public and a private position” on politically contentious issues. Reflecting in 2014 on the rage against political and economic elites that swept the country after the 2008 financial crash, Mrs. Clinton acknowledged that her family’s rising wealth had made her “kind of far removed” from the struggles of the middle class.


Exactly what we were afraid of from Hillary and her admitting privately our worst nightmares about her as true.

So do we worry about a private conversation made 10 years ago about Trumps views on women

or

Do we worry about Hillary's admitting being two faced, making back room deals, wanting open boarders, cutting Social Security, unfettered international trade and being out of touch with the middle class, just as a start.

I wonder which one is actually more relevant to running the country? 

[Rams]

Yup if the media continues to play up a Trump tape of 10 years ago then they wont have to deal with what Wiki leaks disclosed on Hillary. Typical bait and switch.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/08/us/politics/hillary-clinton-speeches-wikileaks.html?_r=0

In lucrative paid speeches that Hillary Clinton delivered to elite financial firms but refused to disclose to the public, she displayed an easy comfort with titans of business, embraced unfettered international trade and praised a budget-balancing plan that would have required cuts to Social Security, according to documents posted online Friday by WikiLeaks.

In the excerpts from her paid speeches to financial institutions and corporate audiences, Mrs. Clinton said she dreamed of “open trade and open borders” throughout the Western Hemisphere. Citing the back-room deal-making and arm-twisting used by Abraham Lincoln, she mused on the necessity of having “both a public and a private position” on politically contentious issues. Reflecting in 2014 on the rage against political and economic elites that swept the country after the 2008 financial crash, Mrs. Clinton acknowledged that her family’s rising wealth had made her “kind of far removed” from the struggles of the middle class.

Yep, I find it very interesting how the media picks and chooses what they are going to focus on.   

[Bighead]

So lets see here.....the liberals are ripping Trump for a statement he made 10 years ago. First. Let the man who has never made a similar statement to another man about a woman cast the first stone.....any takers? Any? Let me get my boots on first......
Secondly, if that makes him unfit to be president then how about when Bill Clinton was running cigars up Monica's you know what....in the Oval Office? Then your darling Hillary was on the rampare trying to get Monica to go away. Some role model they are.

What's a rampare ?

Pretty sure he meant rampage but then, I think you know that.

Yep doing nothing but stirring the crap pot as usual.

[Robert]

One other thing I find very interesting Hillary has on almost every occasion failed to tell the truth and it was disclosed that she was lying and proof was to follow. Yet the liberals laud themselves as being smarter, yet they cannot see that she is not only grossly negligent in her job at the State Dept ( admitted by the FBI) she is grossly negligent at keeping a story straight. How can a liberal being smarter not call her to task for being grossly negligent and not even being able to keep her lies straight?

[Rams]

My friends in NYC, some of them in real estate, have been telling me for months, "don't worry, just wait".
This is why the city did not vote for him in the primaries. They have been witness to
his sleezyness and phony gold plated narcissism, since the 70's.
It was just a matter of time before the world discovered what New Yorkers have always known.

Now, let's see if his supporters begin to open their eyes. Yes, Hillary has a ton of baggage,
But this guy, as our President? Really?

You are correct to an extent, I am not a Trump fan.   I'd prefer another option than Clinton and Trump.  Clinton and Johnson aren't acceptable options.    But, I'd also like to remind you that when the recording was made back in 05, Trump was a Democrat.   

[Rams]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrVeOj8RpTc

For those of you condemning Trump for his "Open Mike" recording.

Enjoy.     

[F-six]

http://www.snopes.com/obama-demands-rib/

[solo1]

Interesting that what Trump said 11 years ago is supposedly germane to the point while anything, anything, that Obama, or EITHER Clinton  said or DONE is either forgotten or not applicable.

Typical BS.

All the Angels out there, be them Dems or Republicans, who are raising hell about Trump, have suddenly developed Halos.  I won't even mention DeNiro since his language in movies gets a free ride.

The same probably goes for a few on this board.

[Rams]

http://www.snopes.com/obama-demands-rib/

Using your own source, read what they wrote.  

Trump is being crapped on for what he said.   There is a recording of Obama saying similar things.   Reading it out loud is better than saying it?    Who are we kidding here.

I'm not suggesting Trump is anything but what he is, I personally don't like him but, put them on a level playing field.    

Hypocrites are foaming at the mouth over this.  (not intended directly at you)  I'm not suggesting what was recorded is alright or proper but, I'll bet good money there isn't a man on this board that hasn't said something in private he doesn't want made public.

This (for me) isn't about how good Trump is, it's about how bad Hillary is.   Elections are about the future, Hillary's past is a recipe for disaster and implosion of this nation.  

[Jersey mike]

This whole "open mike" thing is crazy. This isn't something which was said just yesterday or last year.

While I cannot prove it, it just makes political,sense there are people out there scouring tapes/video/print over anything and everything DT has said in his entire life. The fact Billy Bush is a Bush Family member makes be wonder who he told about the conversation or who in the bus went to someone in the Bush Family and told them of the event and its recording.

Now onto the issue of the "content" of the banter between the two men., but before I go further, to any women reading this I apologize if this will offend you in any manner.

The conversation between the two men was just that. It was men talking. Sex is discussed, beautiful women are talked about in sexual manners, the same I'm sure women discuss men. Sex is all over the place in this country, I just watched a commercial for a Payday candy bar where the candy bar was naked and his private parts were blurred out.

When Bill was POTUS, there were many out there saying "so what, look at what Kennedy did" and "who cares, it's good to see the president is a man like everyone else".

Sex has sexuality has been so pushed to the forefront of society it's so hard to separate it from everyday life. Nits in modern  music and dance videos, in in TV, movies, advertisements and commercials.

I hate to bring it up like this because there have been many cases where women have been questioned on the way they dress but let's face it, women's fashion is designed to accentuate their assets, their beauty, but men's fashion has them covered up. As a father of 2 girls I've questioned my wife on some of the clothes the girls wear and she says "that's what's out there".

Back to the conversation again, men , teenagers, males "discuss sex and women" sometimes in a  pornographic way, it's the truth. Do all men, no, but I'd have to say most do. Discussion of sexual conquests are as much a part of history as history itself.  Mel Brooks said it best in "History of the World", "it's good to be the king".

Men see women and they are either attracted to them or their not, it's nature and the same for women, what do you think is the highest producing subject on the Internet, it's porn.

Think about Tim Teabow, he was ridiculed and made fun of because of his beliefs and I believe on some part his career suffered from it, but women who are stripping down on TV, movies, their on stage music performances are held to a high regard.

Well enough of this , sorry for the rant.

[Rams]

This whole "open mike" thing is crazy. This isn't something which was said just yesterday or last year.

While I cannot prove it, it just makes political,sense there are people out there scouring tapes/video/print over anything and everything DT has said in his entire life. The fact Billy Bush is a Bush Family member makes be wonder who he told about the conversation or who in the bus went to someone in the Bush Family and told them of the event and its recording.

Now onto the issue of the "content" of the banter between the two men., but before I go further, to any women reading this I apologize if this will offend you in any manner.

The conversation between the two men was just that. It was men talking. Sex is discussed, beautiful women are talked about in sexual manners, the same I'm sure women discuss men. Sex is all over the place in this country, I just watched a commercial for a Payday candy bar where the candy bar was naked and his private parts were blurred out.

When Bill was POTUS, there were many out there saying "so what, look at what Kennedy did" and "who cares, it's good to see the president is a man like everyone else".

Sex has sexuality has been so pushed to the forefront of society it's so hard to separate it from everyday life. Nits in modern  music and dance videos, in in TV, movies, advertisements and commercials.

I hate to bring it up like this because there have been many cases where women have been questioned on the way they dress but let's face it, women's fashion is designed to accentuate their assets, their beauty, but men's fashion has them covered up. As a father of 2 girls I've questioned my wife on some of the clothes the girls wear and she says "that's what's out there".

Back to the conversation again, men , teenagers, males "discuss sex and women" sometimes in a  pornographic way, it's the truth. Do all men, no, but I'd have to say most do. Discussion of sexual conquests are as much a part of history as history itself.  Mel Brooks said it best in "History of the World", "it's good to be the king".

Men see women and they are either attracted to them or their not, it's nature and the same for women, what do you think is the highest producing subject on the Internet, it's porn.

Think about Tim Teabow, he was ridiculed and made fun of because of his beliefs and I believe on some part his career suffered from it, but women who are stripping down on TV, movies, their on stage music performances are held to a high regard.

Well enough of this , sorry for the rant.

Mike,
I'll agree.   And, to be honest, not many here are actually condemning Trump.   Most know, what Trump did was and is politically and socially unacceptable in mixed company to some/most but was recorded saying something most of us could have been recorded saying something very similar at some point in our lives.    That's not  suggesting it's alright but, as you said, it happens.   But, someone waited until now to let it out.   How convenient, don't you think..........

Women do dress to be attractive and provocative/sexy.   They want us to notice, some like it when they are noticed and complimented, some would prefer to be noticed and treated more like a lady.   Some are tramps, some aren't.   At times, I can't always tell the difference.   I guess that's my fault.

Women say similar things and I'll bet Hillary wanted Bill's or someone's "attention" at some point and said so but, it wasn't recorded.    Looking at Bill's past, it's not hard for me to surmise that Hillary was probably easy pickings for him back in college.    He is and was a known "horn dog".   

Does anyone really think he was interested in her brain back then?    Knowing Bill's past as we do, one could easily surmise Hillary was not unwilling to participate in his requested activities. 

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not about to suggest Hillary and Bill didn't do something most of us would not have participated in but, she lives in a glass house (so to speak) and shouldn't be throwing stones.    Want to bet on whether or not she does?   Look at the way she went after those women who accused Bill of his inappropriate behavior.   

[F-six]

I've read what they wrote and if you did this as well, you should know that president Obama didn't say anything along the line mr. Trump said. Context is just as important as the text itself and you know that as well as I do.

I don't know if I've said something stupid as mr. Trump did when I was in my teens and my brains and mouth were controlled by hormones, but I can honestly say that in my adult life I've never said 'grab her in her pu$$y' about a woman. And I want to bet that most men on this board, including yourself, haven't said a thing like that in their adult life. We are grownups with resposibillities.
Mr. Trump was 58 years old when he said it. That's how his mind works. And it's not only that he just said it, apparently, according to his own words, he grabbed them in their vagina because that is something you can do as a celebraty. Well, if you grab a woman in her vagina and you were not invited to do so, that is a sexually assault. You really think mr. Trump is fit to be your president?

[Rams]

You really think mr. Trump is fit to be your president?

Never said he was, he's just a better choice (of the options we have) than Clinton.

And that my friend is how poorly I view this election cycle.   Both parties had better candidates to offer, neither got them to the finish line.   On the dem side, some didn't even get to the starting line.

[MP]

You really think mr. Trump is fit to be your president?

Never said he was, he's just a better choice (of the options we have) than Clinton.

And that my friend is how poorly I view this election cycle.   Both parties had better candidates to offer, neither got them to the finish line.   On the dem side, some didn't even get to the starting line.

I would MUCH rather have him, with what he has SAID, than Clinton, with what she has DONE, and SAID she WILL do.  Open borders.  Gun restrictions, higher taxes, put ultra liberal judges on the Supreme Court, raise energy costs, go after oil and coal, etc. etc., etc.

Is either one of them my "perfect" candidate?  No.  But, the choice is between those two.  There is NO other VIABLE candidate.  NONE.

ONE OF THEM WILL BE PRESIDENT.  Trump is my choice, between the two.

[Rams]

You really think mr. Trump is fit to be your president?

Never said he was, he's just a better choice (of the options we have) than Clinton.

And that my friend is how poorly I view this election cycle.   Both parties had better candidates to offer, neither got them to the finish line.   On the dem side, some didn't even get to the starting line.

I would MUCH rather have him, with what he has SAID, than Clinton, with what she has DONE, and SAID she WILL do.  Open borders.  Gun restrictions, higher taxes, put ultra liberal judges on the Supreme Court, raise energy costs, go after oil and coal, etc. etc., etc.

Is either one of them my "perfect" candidate?  No.  But, the choice is between those two.  There is NO other VIABLE candidate.  NONE.

ONE OF THEM WILL BE PRESIDENT.  Trump is my choice, between the two.

I distinctly remember sitting at the dinner table and looking at what Mom had prepared for dinner one evening as a 12 or 13 year old.

Liver and Onions (one of my Dad's favorites) and sauerkraut were both there along with some other things.    Both turned my stomach.    The rules were, you ate what Mom fixed or went hungry.
With few choices, I picked the one I least disliked.   Similar situation.

I sincerely hope the end results are different, I puked shortly after I finished dinner.

[Jersey mike]

I by passed this video several times but curiosity got the better of me and I'm glad I watched it.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/cnn-panel-on-trump-tape-implodes-during-heated-discussion-of-his-lewd-language-214302218.html

Listen to the lady in red. She throws around the "P" word so easily, she is someone who is not afraid to use it and it's obvious she has used it many times in her life and has heard its use too. She then yells at another woman who asks her to stop using it.

[dragonslayer]

I have to speak about this.Trump has not said anything I haven't heard in the boys bathroom back in high school.Want to talk about the hildabeast,when the billeries where in the whitehouse,that they stole from, there's an annual Easter Egg Hunt on the Whitehouse front lawn.She asked Bill when " when are these little bastards going to be off our front lawn" and her lifes passion is children,also how about the watered down aids drugs for the children of Africa that the foundation got from India,duh,not the USA.That's a lot more daming than anything Trump could ever say or do.It's all about the money trail and protecting the Clinton cartel.Do some serious research and come back when you grow up.