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« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2016, 03:27:42 AM » |
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It might be because of the fairly new striker fired Sig 320, same modular construction but a shorter and different trigger action.
I had a 250 but now have a 320. I prefer the 320.
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« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2016, 07:08:49 AM » |
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Bet you are right. Plus the .40 is expensive to shoot. The new Sig 320 has quite a nice trigger. Almost as nice (but not as) as the Walther PPQ.
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« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2016, 07:14:46 AM » |
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Looks like $400 is the going rate for that gun... Bud's Gun Shop has all the different variations, 9mm, 45, 40, compact, full size, etc, for that price it seems: https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=P250 |
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« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2016, 07:33:38 AM » |
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Bet you are right. Plus the .40 is expensive to shoot.QUOTE by Pappy
In order of ammo price, when buying in bulk as of today's prices,, it's .45ACP, highest, then .40 , then .380, then 9MM.
I'm not a fan of 9MM, even with the improvement in bullets, both of my Sig 320's are .40's. In spite of the claims, the .40 is far from dead.
Yep, the triggers on the 320's are good but not as good as hammer fired like the 1911's.
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« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2016, 07:39:01 AM » |
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Wayne, go to your LGS and put a Walther PPQ in your hands if you want to feel a trigger! That gun sets the standard these days. Have to go custom in almost any gun to get close to or the same. HK VP9 is close. Go on to YouTube and look up the videos on the PPQ.
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« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2016, 08:05:22 AM » |
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I'm sure that you're right. I've read a lot of good things about Walther. Unfortunately, my limited retirement won't allow me to buy any more guns. The 320's trigger actions are working very well especially since they are now fully broken in. Since I shoot left handed the 320's fit my requirements. I changed the mag release to the right side and the slide release is standard on both sides. First time ever that I finally have a full leftie semi auto. (well, except for the right side empties ejection  ) |
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« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2016, 08:18:12 AM » |
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Never had a Sig; been lusting after the brand for awhile. Price w/o sales has generally been much higher than this. Don't know much on the models, features etc. Just well aware of their stature and quality reports, fan base. Kinda hard to justify getting one right now other than motivation from the political situation.
I have a SS Walther PPK in .380 - craftsmanship is good; the trigger isn't remarkable. Made quite some time ago, no doubt a completely different build than the PPQ. It's my smallest auto, useful when concealment is paramount. Like at my daughter's wedding. Otherwise it lives in the safe.
I have some weapons with excellent triggers - mostly because I had them tuned up or replaced the trigger myself with premium ones. Except the Python. Man it's an absolute masterpiece.
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« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2016, 12:49:09 PM » |
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Never had a Sig; been lusting after the brand for awhile. Price w/o sales has generally been much higher than this. Don't know much on the models, features etc. Just well aware of their stature and quality reports, fan base. Kinda hard to justify getting one right now other than motivation from the political situation.
I have a SS Walther PPK in .380 - craftsmanship is good; the trigger isn't remarkable. Made quite some time ago, no doubt a completely different build than the PPQ. It's my smallest auto, useful when concealment is paramount. Like at my daughter's wedding. Otherwise it lives in the safe.
I have some weapons with excellent triggers - mostly because I had them tuned up or replaced the trigger myself with premium ones. Except the Python. Man it's an absolute masterpiece.
I have some Kimber's with excellent triggers. That being said, the sweetest trigger in my opinion is on my Python. Just a wonderful example of one of the finest mass produced guns ever made IMHO. |
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« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2016, 02:25:57 PM » |
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The Python was mass produced, but each gun got an individual smith tuneup.
And a little known fact is Colt figured out how to narrow the bbl bore at the end, a couple thousandths (only in the Python).
I think comparing revolver and auto triggers is pretty apples and oranges. Both come in single and double action (or safe action striker fired). Comparing them single action only is closer to relevant.
The action jobs on my 1911s and Smiths make them all.... perfect. But my stock Kimber and Springfield Operator are also perfect, and so are my stock Smith Performance Center revolver triggers (but they aren't really stock).
On the other hand, I have some older double action autos, the double action pull is TERRIBLE (but the single action on them is mostly great).
A W German (police trade in) Walther PP (the very first double action auto design) has a marvelous single action trigger, but the double is like 20 lbs. The fixed bbl in .32acp is a real tackdriver single action, and you can shoot a baseball around the yard, but trigger cocking it (double) you'd miss a watermelon at 15 feet.
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« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2016, 04:03:20 AM » |
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Hold onto the Pythons! They are commanding a high price, probably the highest of all the "snake' guns. IMO, they are the gold standard of double action revolvers and I don't own one.  On semi auto's, if I were still competing in the old one handed shooting at 50 feet, I would own a 1911 because of the trigger pull. However, the striker fired "Tupperwear" semi's, IMO, are less finicky than a well tuned 1911. For my use, they work and yeah, I know, they just aren't a steel precision gun. |
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« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2016, 06:35:23 AM » |
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Am with you on that one, Wayne! Am lucky enough to own a couple of nice 1911s as well as a new striker fired Tupperware gun.
As of late my preference has swung to the Tupperware as I am becoming more interested in learning the ins and outs of defensive shooting and the IDPA. Very fun sport.
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« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2016, 07:12:13 AM » |
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I'd like to shoot in that type of competition but no longer because of my knees and general arthritis.
i do most of my fun shooting from my director's folding chair at the range and I enjoy that! I'm having a nice time with the 320's, over 500 rounds between the both of them and no malfunctions of any kind from the getgo. I really couldn't say that for my tuned Colt 1911 Series 70 (which i no longer have, darn it!)
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« Reply #13 on: October 26, 2016, 07:47:54 AM » |
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Back in the 70's custom gunsmiths mated the better, heavier Python bbl with a Smith K frame with the better (and more tuneable) action. The guns were set up as "rule beaters" when PPC shooting was in vogue. Some of the stock classes mandated a "factory" bbl (rather than the heavy bull bbls and ribbed sights used on modified class PPC guns.) So, they combined the highly accurate Python bbl with the easy-to-slick S&W action and here you go. An Armaloy-coated Model 19.  A nickel Smith 19-3 with 6" nickle Python barrel.  A Smith 28-2 highway patrolman with a colt python barrel. It appears it was a 8" barrel cut down and fitted to the 28-2.  I had a 6" blue Python for many years. It was a very nice shooter, but I prefer Smiths. I traded it toward a high end rifle several years ago (if it had been a 4"bbl, I would have kept it). I got a fair trade, but nothing like the $2-3K they are going for today. |
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« Reply #14 on: October 26, 2016, 06:34:22 PM » |
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I'd like to shoot in that type of competition but no longer because of my knees and general arthritis.
i do most of my fun shooting from my director's folding chair at the range and I enjoy that! I'm having a nice time with the 320's, over 500 rounds between the both of them and no malfunctions of any kind from the getgo. I really couldn't say that for my tuned Colt 1911 Series 70 (which i no longer have, darn it!)
What's the grip like on the 320? Lesa is a Sig gal and is in the market. She is heading up to a 9mm from her Sig 238 and has her eye on a Kimber Sapphire II in 9mm. Super small hands. |
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« Reply #15 on: October 27, 2016, 05:11:12 AM » |
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The grip is perfect for me. Since the 320 is modular, grips modules can be changed for 40 bucks). There are three different sizes full, compact, and sub compact. PLUS these grips also come in three different grip circumference sizes. Lots to choose from. Take a good look.
In my case, I have two 320's. full size and sub compact. The circumference size is the same on both, medium.
The "fire control assembly" is easily removed from the grip module and can be cleaned . It can be interchanged into the different grip module sizes.
Our police department just standardized with the 320 in .45 acp for the above reasons. Grip modules can be 'customized' for the women LEO's that we have, in fact, for all of the officers. In addition, the serialized fire control assembly can be changed from one gun to another in case of breakage, no down time.
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« Reply #16 on: October 27, 2016, 07:02:43 AM » |
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Yep, knew about the fire control module. Check out Hickok45 on YouTube and watch his review on them. He does a change out on the video. Thanks for the info on the grips.
May take a look at them this weekend. She will prob end up with the Kimber but who knows.
She heads for an all day 200 round Concealed class at a range on 11/9 and then to get her permit the following day through the courthouse here. All electronic process now including finger prints.
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« Reply #17 on: October 27, 2016, 08:28:16 AM » |
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She will probably end up with the Kimber, a premium gun. Both of my sons have Kimbers. I am impressed with the quality of Kimbers.
However, for me, if I could shoot in competition, I would use a 320. It fits me perfectly, is now leftie orientated, and I trust it to be reliable. BTW, the trigger reset is very short, enabling quick repeat of fast shots. I've had Glocks (models 22 aand 35) and still own a 42 . Reliability on the Glocks and now the Sig, is unquestionable. All, except the Glock 42 (.380) were reliable from the first round.
For the same reason, I have two Hipoint carbines in .40. They are the heaviest, the crudest, and the cheapest of any carbine. However, reliability and accuracy are top notch. I would prefer those over ANY pistol caliber carbines, regardless of price, workmanship, or quality. Reliability is my top requirement in any defensive weapon. Workmanship, quality, construction material, bragging rights, etc, do not count for me, only reliability.
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