FBI Reopening Hillary's Email Investigation

[Willow]

OK, so if HRC wins but hasn't taken the oath, then charges are filed and she is ineligible to take the oath....what next?  Obama stays our King?  Could that be the plan......hmmmmmm

There is nothing that says someone charged can't run for, be elected or take the oath of office for public service to my knowledge.   (Limited as it is)  Those rules apply to convicted felons, which she isn't.

I assumed a convicted felon couldn't serve as president also. But I don't see any law or rule prohibiting that. If you know of the law can you provide a link ? As far as I can tell, they only have to be a natural citizen, 35 years old, and lived here for 14 years.

Now that I think about it, I'm not sure a convicted felon couldn't serve in an elected position.
Not that I think it was necessarily disqualify them.    After all, Bill Clinton committed perjury and completed his terms.

I THINK it might be the case for congressmen and state positions. But it appears the qualifications for President are very simple.

True. The requirements for the Chief Executive are simple and straight forward with no prohibition based upon criminal past.  Differing from state to state convicted felons are at least temporarily disenfranchised from the right to vote.  I'm not sure perjury is a felony.

[Jess from VA]

There are legal requirements, and practical requirements.

If you were hideous to look at, or married your sister, or could not speak in public, or any number of things, you could not practically get elected.

A well-known felon (convicted or not) would have a very hard time getting elected, if a Republican.  On the other hand, there apparently would be no problem at all for a Democrat.

[Moonshot_1]

This is the statute most relevant to date.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2071

(a) Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
(b) Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States. As used in this subsection, the term “office” does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States.

However the Constitution makes no provision for disqualification for the Presidency. The popular opinion is that the statute has no bearing on the specific office of the Presidency as the statute doesn't supercede the Constitution.

But it does create a conundrum doesn't it?

[Chrisj CMA]

This is the statute most relevant to date.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2071

(a) Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
(b) Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States. As used in this subsection, the term “office” does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States.

However the Constitution makes no provision for disqualification for the Presidency. The popular opinion is that the statute has no bearing on the specific office of the Presidency as the statute doesn't supercede the Constitution.

But it does create a conundrum doesn't it?

I know right, them slimy politicians

[baldo]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/james-comey-fbi-emails_us_5813e2fde4b0990edc316ed1

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/ex-doj-spokesman-blast-james-comey-230459

[Jess from VA]

This is the statute most relevant to date.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2071

(a) Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
(b) Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States. As used in this subsection, the term “office” does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States.

However the Constitution makes no provision for disqualification for the Presidency. The popular opinion is that the statute has no bearing on the specific office of the Presidency as the statute doesn't supercede the Constitution.

But it does create a conundrum doesn't it?

Here's the thing....no statute can supersede the Constitution, but the Constitution can be supplemented by a federal statute (and often is).  For instance, the whole of federal criminal law and procedure (statues) that both implements but also goes beyond the constitution is completely lawful, so long as no part of it is found to be inconsistent with or in direct violation of the Constitution.  

Plenty of federal statutes have been challenged as unconstitutional, and while many have failed, many have passed muster as both consistent with the constitution, and consistent with the founder's original intentions in drafting the constitution.  Courts (the Judiciary) are tasked with making these determinations.

I do not think the founders necessarily intended that their three preconditions to running for the presidency (or holding that office) were exclusive in nature.  Those three preconditions were the bare bones minimum requirements, and could not themselves be changed, altered or removed without a constitutional amendment.  

But adding requirements that were consistent with the constitution, and fair and reasonable under all the circumstances would very probably be viewed as constitutional.  Of course, a narrow and exclusive argument could be made.  And of course, there has been no federal opinion written (so far as I know) as to whether this statute is constitutional, as applied to any federal officeholder, or more narrowly, to the the presidency itself.

I believe this is a criminal statute, so it would take a criminal conviction of this statute (following a full trial with all due process rights accorded the defendant, and maybe even a series of appeals), before any disqualification from federal office could even come into play.  The disqualification from office is just one part of the criminal sentencing authorized for a conviction under this statute.  And we are lacking a conviction at this point.  So as regards it's application to the known (but unconvicted) felon HRC, the issue is not moot, but rather the issue is not ripe for adjudication.

and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States  This language unambiguously includes the presidency within it's purview, assuming it is constitutional.

[Serk]

“Of course we don’t ordinarily tell Congress about ongoing investigations, but here I feel an obligation to do so given that I testified repeatedly in recent months that our investigation was completed, I also think it would be misleading to the American people were we not to supplement the record."

--Director of the FBI Comey

Read into that what you will...

[Oss]

I am not certain that an administrative determination by any federal administrative judge would not suffice under the statute to bar
HRC

After all an administrative determination need not be a criminal conviction

These are interesting times

[sleepngbear]

Hahahahahahahaha I hope she goes to prison

I would actually take a motorcycle ride and try to visit her no matter where she would be incarcerated

I'd be inclined to join you, just for the chance at an opportunity to throw rotting garbage and animal waste at her. Yes, I would stoop that low. A Walk of Shame of sorts, which still seems too good for her (without the nakedidity, of course, because that would be more cruel to us than to her).

You would like to throw crap at somebody ?    The amount of hate out there is shocking at times.

Those people are the epitome of elitist assholes. They're in this solely for the power and their own personal gain, not to serve the people of this country. And let's not forget that it was Bill's administration that lit the fuse for the implosion of the economy that we still haven't fully recovered from, and still may not have seen the last of its impact. Would I actually throw crap at them? Doubtful. But I would sleep much better knowing there's a special place in hell for both of them. And yes, I hate them both for what they are and what they have done and are continuing to do to this country for their own benefit. If you think the hate is shocking, take a look at what these people have done, and she is still a viable candidate for the presidency?. That is truly shocking.

[Jess from VA]

I am not certain that an administrative determination by any federal administrative judge would not suffice under the statute to bar
HRC

After all an administrative determination need not be a criminal conviction

These are interesting times

Evan, all of 18 United States Code (where this statue exists) is criminal law and procedure.  And administrative law adjudications are carried by a preponderance of the evidence, with far less due process protections than in criminal proceedings (which must be proven beyond any reasonable doubt).  IMHO, the only way you get to a disqualification from federal office under this statute is a federal conviction under this statute.  Again, assuming that a disqualification from the presidency for it's violation was not viewed as inconsistent with the three preconditions in Article II (and thus unconstitutional).

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

So, maybe I fell asleep and dreamed this. Even in this election with a known crime family backed by billionaires trying to cheat their way into the White House, this seems too far out there to be real. Surely I am misunderstanding something here, let me see if I've got this straight?

Not only is Hillary's husband known to fly with a rich, internationally known pedophile to his private pedophile island where child sex slaves are supposedly kept. But, in addition to that, now Hillary herself has been implicated by a different pedophile who has E mails somehow pertaining to her? A pedophile married to her closest confident? A pedophile named "wiener"?

Implicated deeply enough in something to trigger a new FBI investigation just a few days before the presidential election?

Who can we blame, is this Bush's fault? Did the Russians do it? Did Trump talking rudely cause this? Is it the "vast right wing conspiracy" Hillary blamed when Bill was caught playing "hide the cigar with a barely legal girl in the oval office"?

Looks like just another chapter in the life of the "Clinton Crime Family". Is anyone besides the "dead" seriously going to vote for this women? At this point, if she wins the election even the Democrats are going to assume it was rigged.

I can easily picture the ghosts of our Founding Fathers sitting around a fire celebrating the country they built being saved at the last minute in such an unlikely manner. Hopefully America's good Karma and Hillary's bad Karma just saved the world.

[Jess from VA]

“Of course we don’t ordinarily tell Congress about ongoing investigations, but here I feel an obligation to do so given that I testified repeatedly in recent months that our investigation was completed, I also think it would be misleading to the American people were we not to supplement the record."

--Director of the FBI Comey

Read into that what you will...

What I read into it is that he is covering his ass..... like from contempt of Congress.  I sure don't expect the FBI to turn a 180 before the election, but looking at the new emails (and any other new evidence) is not consistent with a previous report of investigation completed.  He's not worried about the American people, he's worried about Congress (with good reason).

It's really too bad too, since (from everything I've read) Comey had such a good historical reputation for being a top cop and straight arrow.  Just another good man gone down to the garbage dump due to the Clinton buggering dynasty. 

[Rams]

I don't blame him for the CYA.

I blame him for letting her off the hook when she obviously broke rules that would have put any "regular" person behind bars.    That, pisses me off.   

[Jess from VA]

Me too, Ron.  Me too. 

We will likely never know all the backroom politics, deals or whatever (with Lynch and DOJ, and maybe even the whitehouse) that made him come out and fall on his sword that day.  With the Fed failing miserably at almost everything they do, I always had high hopes the FBI could keep it's honor clean. 

[Rams]

Me too, Ron.  Me too.  

We will likely never know all the backroom politics, deals or whatever (with Lynch and DOJ, and maybe even the whitehouse) that made him come out and fall on his sword that day.  With the Fed failing miserably at almost everything they do, I always had high hopes the FBI could keep it's honor clean.  

I have no doubt the "deal" went all the way to the top.   I'm sure Mr. Obama did not want to have to pardon his successor before her coronation she was elected.

[Bighead]

I don't blame him for the CYA.

I blame him for letting her off the hook when she obviously broke rules that would have put any "regular" person behind bars.    That, pisses me off.  

He didn't let her off. He made a recommendation that she not be indicted but that is not his job. His job was to investigate and gather evidence and turn it over to someone else to make the determination if she should be indicted. He told the world she had broken the law but there isn't anyone with enough money or balls to do anything about the Beast.
As far as the CYA thing all his credibility went out the window some months back and he showed that he has no spine or Balls for that matter by making such a statement. Guess he didn't want to be found in a ditch with a self inflicted GSW. I happened to see a clip of her saying that she remembered something Trump said some years back and found it kinda fun she could remember that but when being questioned about her wrong doings she couldn't remember one cursed thing about what she was being ask. Anyone else find this strange or maybe not since all she ever does is lie and pad her bank account at someone else's expense.

[Jess from VA]

Me too, Ron.  Me too.  

We will likely never know all the backroom politics, deals or whatever (with Lynch and DOJ, and maybe even the whitehouse) that made him come out and fall on his sword that day.  With the Fed failing miserably at almost everything they do, I always had high hopes the FBI could keep it's honor clean.  

I have no doubt the "deal" went all the way to the top.   I'm sure Mr. Obama did not want to have to pardon his successor before her coronation she was elected.

What I'm sure of is the Zero knew (for a long time) that she was using her own illegal server, and he communicated with her on it multiple times (with a special handle), and is probably also thereby guilty of something (not to the extent of HRC), and he lied when he said he first heard of it on the news with everyone else. He knew his reply emails were on her server, and he probably conspired with her in her destruction of thousands of them to keep that fact hidden (another felony).

If HRC's case was referred to a grand jury (as it should have been) with very possible indictment, the Zero was going to get drug into it sure as crap, and maybe even subpoenaed as well (under oath).  With a looming election, and the party conventions and nominations done, there was the real possibility of a constitutional crisis (and having to drag out and dust off Biden for a last minute substitute).  

Of course, those of us against the Zero/HRC program at any cost, would happily live with a constitutional crises to keep her out of office, at ANY cost.  But the permutations of all this (and probably much more) may have led Comey to go along and get along for his view of the good of the country.  We all know the road to hell is paved with good intentions.  And when you lay down with dogs, you wake up with fleas.

This is of course guesswork, but I don't think I am far off the mark.



 

[Pappy!]

Well....when it gets right down to it. Hillary just got shlonged by a Wiener......

[Rams]

I don't blame him for the CYA.

I blame him for letting her off the hook when she obviously broke rules that would have put any "regular" person behind bars.    That, pisses me off.  

He didn't let her off. He made a recommendation that she not be indicted but that is not his job. His job was to investigate and gather evidence and turn it over to someone else to make the determination if she should be indicted. He told the world she had broken the law but there isn't anyone with enough money or balls to do anything about the Beast.
As far as the CYA thing all his credibility went out the window some months back and he showed that he has no spine or Balls for that matter by making such a statement. Guess he didn't want to be found in a ditch with a self inflicted GSW. I happened to see a clip of her saying that she remembered something Trump said some years back and found it kinda fun she could remember that but when being questioned about her wrong doings she couldn't remember one cursed thing about what she was being ask. Anyone else find this strange or maybe not since all she ever does is lie and pad her bank account at someone else's expense.

He let her off the hook when Lynch said she'd go with what ever the FBI wanted (after her secret meeting with Slick Willy was discovered).   You are probably correct about the GSW, so many connected to the Clintons have met an early demise.     

[Bighead]

Well....when it gets right down to it. Hillary just got shlonged by a Wiener......

Probably for the first time in a great while

[Bighead]

I don't blame him for the CYA.

I blame him for letting her off the hook when she obviously broke rules that would have put any "regular" person behind bars.    That, pisses me off.  

He didn't let her off. He made a recommendation that she not be indicted but that is not his job. His job was to investigate and gather evidence and turn it over to someone else to make the determination if she should be indicted. He told the world she had broken the law but there isn't anyone with enough money or balls to do anything about the Beast.
As far as the CYA thing all his credibility went out the window some months back and he showed that he has no spine or Balls for that matter by making such a statement. Guess he didn't want to be found in a ditch with a self inflicted GSW. I happened to see a clip of her saying that she remembered something Trump said some years back and found it kinda fun she could remember that but when being questioned about her wrong doings she couldn't remember one cursed thing about what she was being ask. Anyone else find this strange or maybe not since all she ever does is lie and pad her bank account at someone else's expense.

He let her off the hook when Lynch said she'd go with what ever the FBI wanted (after her secret meeting with Slick Willy was discovered).   You are probably correct about the GSW, so many connected to the Clintons have met an early demise.     

But Ron what I am saying is that it is or was not his Job to make recommendations of what to do. His Job was to investigate and gather evidence and turn it over to prosecution.
Lynch is the one that let it slide, it is not her job to let someone like him to tell her to indict or not she should look at the evidence and have decided if there was enough to proceed on. All she did was make herself look stupid. Neither of them should have a job unless it was dog catcher.

[Jess from VA]

Absolutely it was DOJ's (Lynch's) call, not FBI's (Comey's).  

How often have you seen the chief of police in your town announce a prosecution decision, and not the DA?   Never.

Clearly (to me), once the Lynch-Slick Willie meeting at the airport was made public, Lynch did not want to make the public announcement of letting HRC off the hook (which was always going to be her decision, regardless of what the FBI investigation included) (And the Zero probably didn't want her to make the public announcement either, Comey was farther down the chain from him than his newly appointed AG).  FBI is under DOJ on chain of command, so (along with whatever other back room deals were made), Comey was made to be the front-man in telling the public HRC was getting a pass.  

Probably, the only alternative choice he was given was to resign on the spot (or be fired).  And then they would have made the deputy FBI chief make the announcement.  I seriously doubt Comey wanted to make the announcement..... and I am sure as hell that the actual decision was NOT his to make.  It was made for him (by DOJ and whitehouse, who probably never even read the FBI investigation in it's entirety, just a one-page summary).  

Unlike the rest of his appointed Executive Depts of ass suckers, the FBI probably maintained the best neutrality it could during the Zero administration, was not loved by Zero, so not only did he distance himself and Loretta from the decision, he stuck it to the FBI in public, and probably enjoyed it greatly.  Creating hate and discontent and divisiveness is after all his only real skill.

Again, I'm guessing, but I bet I'm not far off.

[Robert]

Comey should not only have not made the decision legally, but recused himself from this case, since with these disclousuers I dont see how Comey could be neutral in any of his decisions regarding Hillary.


Comey became vice president Lockheed Martin, acting as a general counsel earned $6 million in one year from Lockheed Martin. Lockheed Martin became a Clinton Foundation donor that very year.

According to records, Lockheed Martin is also a member of the American Chamber of Commerce in Egypt, which paid Bill Clinton $250,000 to deliver a speech in 2010.

Comey’s former membership on a Clinton Foundation corporate partner’s board, and his surprising financial relationship with his brother Peter Comey, who works at the law firm that does the Clinton Foundation’s taxes.

In 2010, Lockheed Martin won 17 approvals for private contracts from the Hillary Clinton State Department.

In 2013, Comey became a board member, a director, and a Financial System Vulnerabilities Committee member of the London bank HSBC Holdings.

HSBC Holdings and its various philanthropic branches routinely partner with the Clinton Foundation. For instance, HSBC Holdings has partnered with Deutsche Bank through the Clinton Foundation to “retrofit 1,500 to 2,500 housing units, primarily in the low- to moderate-income sector” in “New York City.”

DLA Piper is the firm that performed the independent audit of the Clinton Foundation in November during Clinton-World’s first big push to put the email scandal behind them. DLA Piper’s employees taken as a whole represent a major Hillary Clinton 2016 campaign donation bloc and Clinton Foundation donation base.

DLA Piper ranks #5 on Hillary Clinton’s all-time career Top Contributors list, just ahead of Goldman Sachs.

Peter Comey has a mortgage on his house that is owned by his brother James Comey, the FBI director.

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/09/10/exposed-fbi-director-james-comeys-clinton-foundation-connection/

[Alpha Dog]

And what are they going to do with the Deputy FBI director that was in charge of this case, that being Andrew McCabe.  Revelations just came out that the Clinton's bag man Terry McAullife ( who learned his trade as the guy leasing out the Lincoln Bed Room ) has a PAC that gave a huge amount of money ( up to 650k ) to Andrew's wife to make a run for congress.  HRC helped to raise money for this PAC and that is illegal.    YIKES.  Is there no end to the corruption and collusion to the Clinton Crime Family, the DNC, DOJ, and their compliant partners the Lame Stream Media who have so aptly allowed this to go on for so many years that we have reached this point and maybe a Constitutional Crises.  And there is more, much more to follow if this Assange dude is right.

Yesterday I listened to so many theories ( and sure many others who really care on this board have also ) and just tried to make since about why Comey came out with this after the fiasco this past July.  Is it the Wiki Leaks, Weiner gate,  or is it the fact that he has had a mutiny going on in the FBI, and from former well respected FBI and DOJ agents for how he dropped the ball on this case previously. Good grief immunity was given to everyone.

In July he said he could find no intent.  Of course we know intent is not part of the crimes she broke so scholars have been scratching their heads over this.  Just acid washing ( bleach bit ) the servers and breaking phones with hammers and assorted other methods of destroying evidence is all the intent you need.  

Is Comey gaining the conscious he lost a while back or is their something even more sinister going on.  Stay tuned - this is a ride of madness.

Oh and Trump has said quite a few time that Weiner is and was a security risk.   Make America Great Again and Drain the Swamp.

[Rams]

The corruption runs deep within the Democratic Party.    I suspect the Republican Party could not claim to be angels either.    Integrity seems to have taken a different path than our leadership.   

The old saying about power corrupting is very applicable.   Just another reason for term limits in my opinion.

[Serk]

The corruption runs deep within the Democratic Party.    I suspect the Republican Party could not claim to be angels either.    Integrity seems to have taken a different path than our leadership.   

The old saying about power corrupting is very applicable.   Just another reason for term limits in my opinion.

"However [political parties] may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion."

--George Washington, September 17th 1796

[larswlvs]

It could happen...This is a. Damn scary thought!

[Gavin_Sons]

The corruption runs deep within the Democratic Party.    I suspect the Republican Party could not claim to be angels either.    Integrity seems to have taken a different path than our leadership.   

The old saying about power corrupting is very applicable.   Just another reason for term limits in my opinion.

"However [political parties] may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion."

--George Washington, September 17th 1796

And they (liberals) say our founding fathers didn't know what the future would hold 

[Crackerborn]

The corruption runs deep within the Democratic Party.    I suspect the Republican Party could not claim to be angels either.    Integrity seems to have taken a different path than our leadership.   

The old saying about power corrupting is very applicable.   Just another reason for term limits in my opinion.

"However [political parties] may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion."

--George Washington, September 17th 1796

And they (liberals) say our founding fathers didn't know what the future would hold 

Serk quotes George Washington's farewell address upon turning the fledgling republic over to John Adams, who was not a member, but endorsed by the Federalists and won against Thomas Jefferson  supported by the Whig (Republican Democratic Union) Party who became the Vice President under Adams. Four years later Thomas Jefferson was elected President after a tie with Arron Burr (and a win over Adams). A tie-breaker voted upon by the congress resulted in the 12th Amendment, which eliminated the runner up being the Vice President. (Pretty sure the two major parties are real happy about that.) There have been fist-fights on the Senate floor and duels over slights perceived by House members. All just another day in the office. Our government was designed to be a slow, deliberate process of legislation not a flavor of the day, hurry up and do what I want since I am the only one that knows what the country needs type of legislation. Sadly, many have either forgotten that, chosen to forget it, don't care or in the case of many among the low information voters, never knew that in the first place.

By the end of Jefferson's Presidency, the Federalist and The Democratic-Republican parties were firmly entrenched in politics. Jefferson and James Madison were both members of the Democratic-Republican party that supported strong states rights and collaborated on the Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions that said a state may nullify any unconstitutional laws. The Federalist party wanted a strong central government. We can only hope that the party that currently wishes for the strong central government goes the way of the Federalists soon. I think the party that supposedly represents states rights and smaller government has shown their true colors and will go the way of the Whigs. At the very least, I know one that was once a staunch supporter that will never support that party again since as Mr. Washington warned us, the political parties are being used by unscrupulous men and women to achieve their own purposes.

[baldo]

Serk quotes George Washington's farewell address upon turning the fledgling republic over to John Adams, who was not a member, but endorsed by the Federalists and won against Thomas Jefferson  supported by the Whig (Republican Democratic Union) Party who became the Vice President under Adams. Four years later Thomas Jefferson was elected President after a tie with Arron Burr (and a win over Adams). A tie-breaker voted upon by the congress resulted in the 12th Amendment, which eliminated the runner up being the Vice President. (Pretty sure the two major parties are real happy about that.) There have been fist-fights on the Senate floor and duels over slights perceived by House members. All just another day in the office. Our government was designed to be a slow, deliberate process of legislation not a flavor of the day, hurry up and do what I want since I am the only one that knows what the country needs type of legislation. Sadly, many have either forgotten that, chosen to forget it, don't care or in the case of many among the low information voters, never knew that in the first place.

By the end of Jefferson's Presidency, the Federalist and The Democratic-Republican parties were firmly entrenched in politics. Jefferson and James Madison were both members of the Democratic-Republican party that supported strong states rights and collaborated on the Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions that said a state may nullify any unconstitutional laws. The Federalist party wanted a strong central government. We can only hope that the party that currently wishes for the strong central government goes the way of the Federalists soon. I think the party that supposedly represents states rights and smaller government has shown their true colors and will go the way of the Whigs. At the very least, I know one that was once a staunch supporter that will never support that party again since as Mr. Washington warned us, the political parties are being used by unscrupulous men and women to achieve their own purposes.

Good read....

[baldo]

And the trumpster runs with it....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-email-investigation_us_5814f6bde4b0390e69d0ab40

[Gavin_Sons]

And the trumpster runs with it....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-email-investigation_us_5814f6bde4b0390e69d0ab40

Well It is no secret she had an illegal server and shared secret information.  She should be in prison so why not run with her stupidness.

[Gavin_Sons]

And the trumpster runs with it....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-email-investigation_us_5814f6bde4b0390e69d0ab40

It's horrible when Trump runs with real life crimes but it is just fine when Hillary talks about him treating women bad and everyone knows the Democrats pay these people to lie. You people are more worried about how trump treats a few sluts but don't care about our national security being at risk and getting our own people killed.

[Pappy!]

Fair game in my book. She wouldn't be in this predicament if she hadn't installed her own email system now would she!
From what I understand even O'Idiot has suspended campaigning for her at this point.
And more WikiLeaks are coming daily. So much fodder so little time - Lol !

[The emperor has no clothes]

A couple points. I'm not a women, so I don't know what it would be like. But many women are treated unfairly in their professional lives. Whether it be just plain old gender bias or sexual harassment. I would venture to say 90% of women who are sexually harassed or assaulted are NOT sluts as a member put it.
If the Democrats were paying these women to lie, don't you think some of our smart Republicans would be able to uncover it ?
Contrary to wishful thinking, Obama is not canceling any campaign appearances with Clinton.
Take a deep breath guys, it will be over soon. Then the Donald can go back to private life with all that entails.

[baldo]

And the trumpster runs with it....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-email-investigation_us_5814f6bde4b0390e69d0ab40

It's horrible when Trump runs with real life crimes but it is just fine when Hillary talks about him treating women bad and everyone knows the Democrats pay these people to lie. You people are more worried about how trump treats a few sluts but don't care about our national security being at risk and getting our own people killed.

You are a real piece of work.

[f6john]

And the trumpster runs with it....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-email-investigation_us_5814f6bde4b0390e69d0ab40

It's horrible when Trump runs with real life crimes but it is just fine when Hillary talks about him treating women bad and everyone knows the Democrats pay these people to lie. You people are more worried about how trump treats a few sluts but don't care about our national security being at risk and getting our own people killed.

You are a real piece of work.

  That's rich,  Pot and Kettle come to mind.

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

Time for Hillary to drop her campaign and step aside. Finally somebody is saying it.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/kass/ct-hillary-clinton-emails-kass-1030-20161028-column.html

[Gavin_Sons]

And the trumpster runs with it....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-email-investigation_us_5814f6bde4b0390e69d0ab40

It's horrible when Trump runs with real life crimes but it is just fine when Hillary talks about him treating women bad and everyone knows the Democrats pay these people to lie. You people are more worried about how trump treats a few sluts but don't care about our national security being at risk and getting our own people killed.

You are a real piece of work.

  That's rich,  Pot and Kettle come to mind.

Thanks Baldo, never knew you had any compliments in you. 

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3887790/Hillary-s-nightmare-scenario-Weiner-s-laptop-holds-650-000-emails-thousands-Clinton-s-private-server-search-WEEKS-Democrat-faces-ongoing-FBI-probe-s-elected.html