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Noam Chomsky on the dangers of dismissing Trump voters:
"When I’m driving, I sometimes turn on the radio and I find very often that what I’m listening to is a discussion of sports. These are telephone conversations. People call in and have long and intricate discussions, and it’s plain that quite a high degree of thought and analysis is going into that. People know a tremendous amount. They know all sorts of complicated details and enter into far-reaching discussion about whether the coach made the right decision yesterday and so on. These are ordinary people, not professionals, who are applying their intelligence and analytic skills in these areas and accumulating quite a lot of knowledge and, for all I know, understanding. On the other hand, when I hear people talk about, say, international affairs or domestic problems, it’s at a level of superficiality that’s beyond belief."
"In part, this reaction may be due to my own areas of interest, but I think it’s quite accurate, basically. And I think that this concentration on such topics as sports makes a certain degree of sense. The way the system is set up, there is virtually nothing people can do anyway, without a degree of organization that’s far beyond anything that exists now, to influence the real world. They might as well live in a fantasy world, and that’s in fact what they do. I’m sure they are using their common sense and intellectual skills, but in an area which has no meaning and probably thrives because it has no meaning, as a displacement from the serious problems which one cannot influence and affect because the power happens to lie elsewhere."
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"When I’m driving, I sometimes turn on the radio and I find very often that what I’m listening to is a discussion of sports. These are telephone conversations. People call in and have long and intricate discussions, and it’s plain that quite a high degree of thought and analysis is going into that. People know a tremendous amount. They know all sorts of complicated details and enter into far-reaching discussion about whether the coach made the right decision yesterday and so on. These are ordinary people, not professionals, who are applying their intelligence and analytic skills in these areas and accumulating quite a lot of knowledge and, for all I know, understanding. On the other hand, when I hear people talk about, say, international affairs or domestic problems, it’s at a level of superficiality that’s beyond belief."
"In part, this reaction may be due to my own areas of interest, but I think it’s quite accurate, basically. And I think that this concentration on such topics as sports makes a certain degree of sense. The way the system is set up, there is virtually nothing people can do anyway, without a degree of organization that’s far beyond anything that exists now, to influence the real world. They might as well live in a fantasy world, and that’s in fact what they do. I’m sure they are using their common sense and intellectual skills, but in an area which has no meaning and probably thrives because it has no meaning, as a displacement from the serious problems which one cannot influence and affect because the power happens to lie elsewhere."
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It is striking the way both parties are characterizing the FBI Director. According to Democrats he was a stalwart of justice back in July. Now he is a scum sucking hack for the Republicans. Back in July the Replublicans were saying he was a hack that was on the take from the Clintons. Now he is as pure as lady liberty.
I think the guy has been fair minded and ethical all along. He was in a no win situation. After all the BS this is all of her making.
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It is striking the way both parties are characterizing the FBI Director. According to Democrats he was a stalwart of justice back in July. Now he is a scum sucking hack for the Republicans. Back in July the Replublicans were saying he was a hack that was on the take from the Clintons. Now he is as pure as lady liberty.
I think the guy has been fair minded and ethical all along. He was in a no win situation. After all the BS this is all of her making.
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It is striking the way both parties are characterizing the FBI Director. According to Democrats he was a stalwart of justice back in July. Now he is a scum sucking hack for the Republicans. Back in July the Replublicans were saying he was a hack that was on the take from the Clintons. Now he is as pure as lady liberty.
I think the guy has been fair minded and ethical all along. He was in a no win situation. After all the BS this is all of her making.
Heard someone on the morning news this morning describe this situation. If you live in DC and want a friend, make it a dog, they won't normally turn on you. You are correct in your analysis, he has been described as a man of deep integrity by both sides depending on when and where they stood on the situation/circumstance. BTW, Comey did not leak the information, he informed Congress as he promised he would back when the first Clinton email scandal was ending. What I do believe is, where there's smoke, there's fire. Anyone that doesn't see Clinton as a power hungry, greedy witch who is only out to do what's good for Clinton drank deeply from that pitcher of Kool Aid. Don't like Trump either but, the unknown is a better option than where we know she will take us. |
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It is striking the way both parties are characterizing the FBI Director. According to Democrats he was a stalwart of justice back in July. Now he is a scum sucking hack for the Republicans. Back in July the Replublicans were saying he was a hack that was on the take from the Clintons. Now he is as pure as lady liberty.
I think the guy has been fair minded and ethical all along. He was in a no win situation. After all the BS this is all of her making.
Heard someone on the morning news this morning describe this situation. If you live in DC and want a friend, make it a dog, they won't normally turn on you. You are correct in your analysis, he has been described as a man of deep integrity by both sides depending on when and where they stood on the situation/circumstance. BTW, Comey did not leak the information, he informed Congress as he promised he would back when the first Clinton email scandal was ending. What I do believe is, where there's smoke, there's fire. Anyone that doesn't see Clinton as a power hungry, greedy witch who is only out to do what's good for Clinton drank deeply from that pitcher of Kool Aid. Don't like Trump either but, the unknown is a better option than where we know she will take us. The unknown is not always better. Be careful what you wish for.  |
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It is striking the way both parties are characterizing the FBI Director. According to Democrats he was a stalwart of justice back in July. Now he is a scum sucking hack for the Republicans. Back in July the Replublicans were saying he was a hack that was on the take from the Clintons. Now he is as pure as lady liberty.
I think the guy has been fair minded and ethical all along. He was in a no win situation. After all the BS this is all of her making.
Heard someone on the morning news this morning describe this situation. If you live in DC and want a friend, make it a dog, they won't normally turn on you. You are correct in your analysis, he has been described as a man of deep integrity by both sides depending on when and where they stood on the situation/circumstance. BTW, Comey did not leak the information, he informed Congress as he promised he would back when the first Clinton email scandal was ending. What I do believe is, where there's smoke, there's fire. Anyone that doesn't see Clinton as a power hungry, greedy witch who is only out to do what's good for Clinton drank deeply from that pitcher of Kool Aid. Don't like Trump either but, the unknown is a better option than where we know she will take us. The unknown is not always better. Be careful what you wish for. No doubt. There are no other viable options though. The blue pill or the red pill? |
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It is striking the way both parties are characterizing the FBI Director. According to Democrats he was a stalwart of justice back in July. Now he is a scum sucking hack for the Republicans. Back in July the Replublicans were saying he was a hack that was on the take from the Clintons. Now he is as pure as lady liberty.
I think the guy has been fair minded and ethical all along. He was in a no win situation. After all the BS this is all of her making.
Heard someone on the morning news this morning describe this situation. If you live in DC and want a friend, make it a dog, they won't normally turn on you. You are correct in your analysis, he has been described as a man of deep integrity by both sides depending on when and where they stood on the situation/circumstance. BTW, Comey did not leak the information, he informed Congress as he promised he would back when the first Clinton email scandal was ending. What I do believe is, where there's smoke, there's fire. Anyone that doesn't see Clinton as a power hungry, greedy witch who is only out to do what's good for Clinton drank deeply from that pitcher of Kool Aid. Don't like Trump either but, the unknown is a better option than where we know she will take us. The unknown is not always better. Be careful what you wish for. No doubt. There are no other viable options though. The blue pill or the red pill? Great movie, but I have a hard time seeing you as the Oracle.  |
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Comey and Clinton both shot themselves in the foot, leg, ass and all and have no one else to blame.
The public impression of integrity of both is gone as it should be.
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Absolutely fkng amazing that there's more information about this in the British press than in ours, where one would think it's more important to report. All we get here is the Clintons now slamming the FBI. It's just sickening. Equally sickening is the Clintons demanding the FBI disclose whatever they have that caused them to reopen the investigation. Yeah. That's basically telling them to reveal everything they have I while their investigation remains ongoing. When the hell does that ever happen in any other case? They don't reveal squat for details until the investigation is over. These people really believe the laws that apply to everyone else don't apply to them. A couple things. The last I checked the Wall Street Journal may be owned by an Australian, but it is a USA paper, not British. As far as the Clinton campaign wanting them to lay out the facts, they know that's not going to happen. They just want to push the narrative that they did nothing wrong. As far as it being unprecedented there are many things all sides have done that are unprecedented . |
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Why does everyone think the Orange Douche (pronounced duch-A) is an unknown? Look at his past business dealings and his endorsement and contribution record. He is a NY Liberal, a shady businessmen, and a less than truthful human being. I once worked for two small companies, one in FL that did work on Mara Lago and one in Chicago that worked on Trump Tower. Both did outstanding work and neither got paid by Trump (LLC of the day). He leaves a trail of broken promises where ever he walks. Do you really believe he will change once President? If so, I have some oceanfront property I would like to sell in NM. Better than the Traitor? Not likely since when true conservatives refuse to cooperate, the Orange Man will just go to his old friends Chuck Schumer and Harry Reid to do his bidding.
Evan McMullen for President, and vote the conservative down ballot to control the damage either major party candidate will cause.
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Absolutely fkng amazing that there's more information about this in the British press than in ours, where one would think it's more important to report. All we get here is the Clintons now slamming the FBI. It's just sickening. Equally sickening is the Clintons demanding the FBI disclose whatever they have that caused them to reopen the investigation. Yeah. That's basically telling them to reveal everything they have I while their investigation remains ongoing. When the hell does that ever happen in any other case? They don't reveal squat for details until the investigation is over. These people really believe the laws that apply to everyone else don't apply to them. A couple things. The last I checked the Wall Street Journal may be owned by an Australian, but it is a USA paper, not British. As far as the Clinton campaign wanting them to lay out the facts, they know that's not going to happen. They just want to push the narrative that they did nothing wrong. As far as it being unprecedented there are many things all sides have done that are unprecedented . A ksoKnight you can bag me for quoting the wrong post. Two of the three articles Britman posted were from the Daily Mail, in the UK. That was my point. |
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Why does everyone think the Orange Douche (pronounced duch-A) is an unknown? Look at his past business dealings and his endorsement and contribution record. He is a NY Liberal, a shady businessmen, and a less than truthful human being. I once worked for two small companies, one in FL that did work on Mara Lago and one in Chicago that worked on Trump Tower. Both did outstanding work and neither got paid by Trump (LLC of the day). He leaves a trail of broken promises where ever he walks. Do you really believe he will change once President? If so, I have some oceanfront property I would like to sell in NM. Better than the Traitor? Not likely since when true conservatives refuse to cooperate, the Orange Man will just go to his old friends Chuck Schumer and Harry Reid to do his bidding.
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Got it. You are leaning to the left. In a way yes... I'm a libertarian, so I lean so far to the left I loop back around to the right, and so far to the right I loop back around to the left. I know I'm doing it right when I get accused of being a left wing liberal hippie and a right wing conservative mouth breather in a single day. |
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Got it. You are leaning to the left. In a way yes... I'm a libertarian, so I lean so far to the left I loop back around to the right, and so far to the right I loop back around to the left. I know I'm doing it right when I get accused of being a left wing liberal hippie and a right wing conservative mouth breather in a single day. If you got a hair cut that wouldn't be happening.  |
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Got it. You are leaning to the left. In a way yes... I'm a libertarian, so I lean so far to the left I loop back around to the right, and so far to the right I loop back around to the left. I know I'm doing it right when I get accused of being a left wing liberal hippie and a right wing conservative mouth breather in a single day. Lol.....sounds like you've got your bases covered.... |
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Memo to the Press: What Comey's Letter Does and Doesn't Mean https://www.lawfareblog.com/memo-press-what-comeys-letter-does-and-doesnt-meanhttps://lawfare.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/staging/2016/Comey%20Letter.JPGWhen the FBI wants to say it is reopening an investigation, it knows perfectly well how to say that. In this case, the investigation was actually never formally closed, so it doesn't need to be reopened. The relevance of this letter is thus likely not that some explosive new evidence of Clinton criminality has suddenly emerged. It is, rather, that Comey made a set of representations to Congress that have been complicated by new information, apparently from the Anthony Weiner sexting case. So he's informing Congress of that fact before the election. Comey represented to Congress that the Clinton email investigation was "complete." But as the letter relates, new emails have now come to the bureau's attention that appears relevant to the email investigation. (Weiner's estranged wife is one Clinton's top aides.) Comey has okayed a review of that new information to determine whether the emails contain classified material and also whether they are, in fact, relevant. And this fact renders his prior statement to Congress no longer true. The key point here, in other words, is not that Comey is "reopening" a closed matter because of some bombshell. It is that he is amending his public testimony to Congress that the FBI is done while the bureau examines new material that may or may not have implications for investigative conclusions previously reached. Here's the subtext: Comey and FBI investigated Clinton hard, and when various legal and practical hurdles made it impossible to move forward with any kind of criminal case against her, Comey stated his view—quite unflattering to her—that her behavior had been "extremely careless" with highly sensitive information. He did this in public because he made a decision that Clinton and her team deserved public scrutiny for their acts, because she is a major party candidate for president. This is why he went out of his way—maybe too far—in revealing unfiltered information so that the public had the opportunity to consider it before voting for or against her. This summer, in short, Comey closed the investigation, stated his reasons, and took arrows both from those who thought he should have gone forward with a case and those who thought he should have said much less than he did. And he testified before Congress that he was finished. The trouble is that now he has learned something which he thinks may complicate his earlier judgments. And he has authorized additional investigative steps to find out. He found out that he is not finished. So the question is whether to tell Congress (and the public) or not. Even at the risk of helping Trump, Comey has notified Congress (and the world) about it so as to clarify his prior testimony. This allows voters to judge how to consider this before the election—even though he will almost surely not be able to say anything more until after the election. It's a way of not pretending that the investigation is "complete" when he knows there is some degree of residual issue. If you're inclined to be angry with Comey over this, imagine that he had not said something and it emerged after the election that, having testified that the investigation was complete, he authorized additional investigation of a new trove of emails. Comey and the FBI are in a terrible position here, one in which they would be accused of playing politics whatever they ended up doing. The interesting question is whether the FBI's predicament is Comey's own fault. It's certainly not his fault that the email mess fell into his lap and had to be investigated in the year of an election. Nor is it his fault that the the FBI ended up investigating the DNC hack and whatever trouble Weiner has gotten himself into of late. Reasonable minds will differ, however, about whether Comey leaned too far forward in publicly disclosing information about his thinking on the email case. He can be criticized for having said and disclosed too much and thereby made his problem worse. But what you can't reasonably say is that Comey has been anyone's political lackey. Over the howling objections of many Republicans, he ended the Clinton email investigation, concluding that "no reasonable prosecutor" would go forward with a case. Over the snarls of the Clinton forces, at the same time, he commented quite disparagingly about the behavior of the woman who is likely to become his boss. And now, with the election only days away, he has amended his prior resolution of the case to deal with new information. Say what you will about the FBI, but it's surely been independent. With it's reputation on the line, I can accept this until proven incorrect. |
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Her track record is at best abysmal.
Trump wasn't my first choice but as the say in NASCAR, "You've Got To Run What You Brung".
I do like that he will surround himself with good people, for instance he made an Excellent choice for VP.
On the other hand Hllary's Track Record speaks for itself and it doesn't speak well of her.
Her VP pick alone was a bad choice and was based solely on political cronyism.
Additionally, She will continue to run up the national debt.
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