got some wind (with political question)

[NewValker]

Was a nice day yesterday, so my bud and I took off for a ride into CT. My foot is healing up nice and I feel way more confident riding now. Had lunch at Mystic Pizza, (meatza-pizza) then headed west past Hartford. Looped back to Manchester and a stop at Cycle-Gear. Heated gear would be nice...Sedichi stuff is on sale, jacket liner is $179. with a free controller...hhmmm, maybe...
Then we did a follow the fender in the general direction of home tour for a couple hours of back roads. Crossed Rt 32, which has some nice sweepers back north into MA.
When we got back to town, I asked him how many Hillery signs he saw? He said 4, and 2 of those had "for Prison" on em. I saw 0, but I was navigating and riding.
We agreed the Trump signs numbered easily in the 100's.
How can the polls have it so close? Are people afraid to show support for her? Or are the polls that rigged?

[Jess Tolbirt]

go to home depot and check out the heated jacket and hoodies sold by milwaukee tools

[The emperor has no clothes]

Was a nice day yesterday, so my bud and I took off for a ride into CT. My foot is healing up nice and I feel way more confident riding now. Had lunch at Mystic Pizza, (meatza-pizza) then headed west past Hartford. Looped back to Manchester and a stop at Cycle-Gear. Heated gear would be nice...Sedichi stuff is on sale, jacket liner is $179. with a free controller...hhmmm, maybe...
Then we did a follow the fender in the general direction of home tour for a couple hours of back roads. Crossed Rt 32, which has some nice sweepers back north into MA.
When we got back to town, I asked him how many Hillery signs he saw? He said 4, and 2 of those had "for Prison" on em. I saw 0, but I was navigating and riding.
We agreed the Trump signs numbered easily in the 100's.
How can the polls have it so close? Are people afraid to show support for her? Or are the polls that rigged?

Sounds like a good ride.  I think a percentage are passionate for Trump. I think a percentage are passionate against Trump. I don't think there is much in between.
Was Julia Roberts there ? 

[NewValker]

She is always there! It's a 2 floor restaurant, with multiple TV's on all the walls with the movie continually playing.  When we feel like pizza, we just say let's go see Julia...

Jess, are they battery or 12v powered?

Craig

[DK]

go to home depot and check out the heated jacket and hoodies sold by milwaukee tools

I've had one for two years. Love it.

It uses the Milwaukee 12V power tool battery.

They come in both "hoodie" &  "Vest" versions. I recommend the vest.

Not available in store but can be ordered on line is a power cord that connects to a lighter socket.

It's almost a must have.

[Serk]

[Alpha Dog]

I am seriously surprised at so few of her signs in that part of the country.  There is no enthusiasm for her.  Around here and I travel the roads extensively the rate is 15 to 20 Trump to 1 for her.  Actually more signs of her pic with lock her up or H for Prison.  It was same way on my trip to Northern Alabama this past Monday.  I was a bit shocked this past Saturday.  I have been riding down, on occassion  to a town called Reily, OH  ( Indian Creek Tavern ) just a few miles south of Oxford, OH  home of Miami University.  Going through downtown on the 732 is always a plus as there are always many Co Eds about.  Heck saw one this past Saturday the would be a great audition for OSS.  Anyway going past what looked like frat houses were huge signs two houses about 20 foot by 15 foot,  that said TRUMP.  Blew me away when seeing this in this day and time of safe zone colleges.  Took it as a good omen.
At the Indian Creek Tavern while watching the Michigan game all people were talking about was Trump and they were enthusiastic.  Many were women that struck up conversations with me - a bit of another surprise.

I think the polls have failed to capture this enthusiasm and are using false models.  We shall see soon.

[Valker]

I was in Northern NM two weeks ago. In small towns, no Trump signs but lots of big Hillary ones. Around here it's 100 Trump for each H sign.

[Pappy!]

Lesa and I were talking about that as well. We hardly ever see any Hillary signs, in yards or on bumpers. More Hillary for Prison than just plain Hillary signs.
Does make you wonder................

[Jess from VA]

In NoVA there are usually millions of D signs (and only R signs out in the country)

The R signs are still out in the country, but the D signs are way, way down in suburbia, and almost no D bumper stickers (and the O bumper stickers have been removed by the tens of thousands).

I even had R people going door to door in my neighborhood, which I have never seen for 25 years.  I wished them well (and asked if they were wearing vests).  They said that was not funny, and I said I wasn't trying to be funny.

[Hook#3287]

I've noticed the lack of Hillary signs for a while and wrote it up to not going into any cities. 

Most country folk vote Republican.

This past fall, at a county fair in CT, the Democratic tent had all kinds of signs for all their local, county and state Democratic Candidates, but not one Hillary sign.

We stopped and asked about that and they would not give us a reason.

[Oss]

Our trump sign is up proudly since it came in the mail

Have faith that the clinton crime family will be desstroyed before its too late for us...Israel. ..
The economy and our troops

[Rams]

I keep trying to get a Hillary sign, they won't give me one once I tell them what I want to do with it.   

[old2soon]

Far too many local and state election signs here bouts but I Believe the Trump signs outweigh the h signs by a significant margin. I have however taken possession of a Member of the Proud basket of Deplorables T-shirt and today my hilary for Prison 2016 T-shirt arrived! I am SOOOOOOOOOOO ready for the Christmas toy commercials!  You have No IDEA how much I Despise Christmas toy commercials!  RIDE SAFE.

[Alpha Dog]

Far too many local and state election signs here bouts but I Believe the Trump signs outweigh the h signs by a significant margin. I have however taken possession of a Member of the Proud basket of Deplorables T-shirt and today my hilary for Prison 2016 T-shirt arrived! I am SOOOOOOOOOOO ready for the Christmas toy commercials!  You have No IDEA how much I Despise Christmas toy commercials!  RIDE SAFE.

Our trump sign is up proudly since it came in the mail

Have faith that the clinton crime family will be desstroyed before its too late for us...Israel. ..
The economy and our troops

I have had my Trump sign out since July.  First on my street.  Many more have sprung up since.  Last night I was over at my buddies Harley fix it shop with other friends.  The wife came over and surprised me with a Trumplican shirt and she had one.  When I got home both her and my boy gathered around me - very unusual.  I knew something was up.  Then I walked into our living room and was taken back as someone was standing by my office doors.  Wholly jumpin jeepers.  It was a life size cardboard figure of the Donald himself with both thumbs out.

The time to Drain the Swamp is near.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Far too many local and state election signs here bouts but I Believe the Trump signs outweigh the h signs by a significant margin. I have however taken possession of a Member of the Proud basket of Deplorables T-shirt and today my hilary for Prison 2016 T-shirt arrived! I am SOOOOOOOOOOO ready for the Christmas toy commercials!  You have No IDEA how much I Despise Christmas toy commercials!  RIDE SAFE.

Our trump sign is up proudly since it came in the mail

Have faith that the clinton crime family will be desstroyed before its too late for us...Israel. ..
The economy and our troops

I have had my Trump sign out since July.  First on my street.  Many more have sprung up since.  Last night I was over at my buddies Harley fix it shop with other friends.  The wife came over and surprised me with a Trumplican shirt and she had one.  When I got home both her and my boy gathered around me - very unusual.  I knew something was up.  Then I walked into our living room and was taken back as someone was standing by my office doors.  Wholly jumpin jeepers.  It was a life size cardboard figure of the Donald himself with both thumbs out.

The time to Drain the Swamp is near.

Whoa !!! Somebody's got it bad. 

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

Very few Hillary signs here that don't suggest prison time. Even the yards that have signs for other Dem candidates don't have Hillary signs. I guess most people don't want to be associated with crime families.

[Moonshot_1]

I am seriously surprised at so few of her signs in that part of the country.  There is no enthusiasm for her.  Around here and I travel the roads extensively the rate is 15 to 20 Trump to 1 for her.  Actually more signs of her pic with lock her up or H for Prison.  It was same way on my trip to Northern Alabama this past Monday.  I was a bit shocked this past Saturday.  I have been riding down, on occassion  to a town called Reily, OH  ( Indian Creek Tavern ) just a few miles south of Oxford, OH  home of Miami University.  Going through downtown on the 732 is always a plus as there are always many Co Eds about.  Heck saw one this past Saturday the would be a great audition for OSS.  Anyway going past what looked like frat houses were huge signs two houses about 20 foot by 15 foot,  that said TRUMP.  Blew me away when seeing this in this day and time of safe zone colleges.  Took it as a good omen.
At the Indian Creek Tavern while watching the Michigan game all people were talking about was Trump and they were enthusiastic.  Many were women that struck up conversations with me - a bit of another surprise.

I think the polls have failed to capture this enthusiasm and are using false models.  We shall see soon.

Been saying that for months.

I think the polling models are based on the assumption that the race is between Hillary, the Democrat on the Democrat ticket, vs. Donald Trump the Republican on the Republican ticket.
This is wrong.

My take on why the polls are wrong is because the race is between Hillary, the Democrat on the Democrat ticket vs. Donald Trump the wildly popular Independant Candidate on the Republican ticket.

There is an entire and huge demographic not being accounted for in the polls. These are not the standard Independent voters. These are the Perot type independent voters. The ones usually considered off the grid. The ones that don't vote because they won't vote for the establishment political partisan lackeys from either party.

Trump has got the vote of these guys, a significant percentage of the usual independent voters and the GOP.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I am seriously surprised at so few of her signs in that part of the country.  There is no enthusiasm for her.  Around here and I travel the roads extensively the rate is 15 to 20 Trump to 1 for her.  Actually more signs of her pic with lock her up or H for Prison.  It was same way on my trip to Northern Alabama this past Monday.  I was a bit shocked this past Saturday.  I have been riding down, on occassion  to a town called Reily, OH  ( Indian Creek Tavern ) just a few miles south of Oxford, OH  home of Miami University.  Going through downtown on the 732 is always a plus as there are always many Co Eds about.  Heck saw one this past Saturday the would be a great audition for OSS.  Anyway going past what looked like frat houses were huge signs two houses about 20 foot by 15 foot,  that said TRUMP.  Blew me away when seeing this in this day and time of safe zone colleges.  Took it as a good omen.
At the Indian Creek Tavern while watching the Michigan game all people were talking about was Trump and they were enthusiastic.  Many were women that struck up conversations with me - a bit of another surprise.

I think the polls have failed to capture this enthusiasm and are using false models.  We shall see soon.

Been saying that for months.

I think the polling models are based on the assumption that the race is between Hillary, the Democrat on the Democrat ticket, vs. Donald Trump the Republican on the Republican ticket.
This is wrong.

My take on why the polls are wrong is because the race is between Hillary, the Democrat on the Democrat ticket vs. Donald Trump the wildly popular Independant Candidate on the Republican ticket.

There is an entire and huge demographic not being accounted for in the polls. These are not the standard Independent voters. These are the Perot type independent voters. The ones usually considered off the grid. The ones that don't vote because they won't vote for the establishment political partisan lackeys from either party.

Trump has got the vote of these guys, a significant percentage of the usual independent voters and the GOP.

You might be right. But I doubt it. Polls are polls, they can be manipulated. The ones that have been accurate in the past are the ones I pay attention to.

[Moonshot_1]

I am seriously surprised at so few of her signs in that part of the country.  There is no enthusiasm for her.  Around here and I travel the roads extensively the rate is 15 to 20 Trump to 1 for her.  Actually more signs of her pic with lock her up or H for Prison.  It was same way on my trip to Northern Alabama this past Monday.  I was a bit shocked this past Saturday.  I have been riding down, on occassion  to a town called Reily, OH  ( Indian Creek Tavern ) just a few miles south of Oxford, OH  home of Miami University.  Going through downtown on the 732 is always a plus as there are always many Co Eds about.  Heck saw one this past Saturday the would be a great audition for OSS.  Anyway going past what looked like frat houses were huge signs two houses about 20 foot by 15 foot,  that said TRUMP.  Blew me away when seeing this in this day and time of safe zone colleges.  Took it as a good omen.
At the Indian Creek Tavern while watching the Michigan game all people were talking about was Trump and they were enthusiastic.  Many were women that struck up conversations with me - a bit of another surprise.

I think the polls have failed to capture this enthusiasm and are using false models.  We shall see soon.

Been saying that for months.

I think the polling models are based on the assumption that the race is between Hillary, the Democrat on the Democrat ticket, vs. Donald Trump the Republican on the Republican ticket.
This is wrong.

My take on why the polls are wrong is because the race is between Hillary, the Democrat on the Democrat ticket vs. Donald Trump the wildly popular Independant Candidate on the Republican ticket.

There is an entire and huge demographic not being accounted for in the polls. These are not the standard Independent voters. These are the Perot type independent voters. The ones usually considered off the grid. The ones that don't vote because they won't vote for the establishment political partisan lackeys from either party.

Trump has got the vote of these guys, a significant percentage of the usual independent voters and the GOP.

You might be right. But I doubt it. Polls are polls, they can be manipulated. The ones that have been accurate in the past are the ones I pay attention to.

I'll take it a bit farther as well.
On Mrs. Clinton side... I do not sense any significant enthusiasm for her.
All of the scandals will have a significant effect on the Democrat turnout. Even many Democrats cannot tolerate the constant scandals and obvious lack of integrity.
I believe the Clinton camp is exceedingly over optimistic in their consideration of the voter turnout related to the minority demographics.

So I see the election falling out like this:

Trump gets the "Perot" type Independent voters which will be significant, the GOP will come out in force to ensure votes against Hillary and the general independent voters will break slightly towards Trump.

Hillary gets the anemic support of Democrat voters with maybe a slight bump from the women demographic. But I don't see the women vote being significant here. Any other woman, the women demographic would be insurmountable. But with Hillary, not so much.
She does get the 4.2 million dead people votes that will likely carry her over the top though.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Well Moonshot, you've got so many things wrong I must reply. First of all, to say that someone who has insulted women in so many ways is only going to get a slight bump with them is simply delusional.  He is going to get killed by women. His only hope is there are enough pissed off males to mitigate it. I have my doubts. You are correct in that many democrats are tired of the scandals and are not enthusiastic about her. You completely underestimate the disdain for Trump and how that alone will drive the vote. A breath of life was felt by the Trump campaign with Comey's statement a few days ago. But that's all it was, was a breath. They were on course to lose 400 to 135. Now they've stemmed the bloodletting. It will only be 320 to 210.
"But I don't see the women vote being significant here"  BOY, I DO !

[DK]

Well Moonshot, you've got so many things wrong I must reply. First of all, to say that someone who has insulted women in so many ways is only going to get a slight bump with them is simply delusional.  He is going to get killed by women. His only hope is there are enough pissed off males to mitigate it. I have my doubts. You are correct in that many democrats are tired of the scandals and are not enthusiastic about her. You completely underestimate the disdain for Trump and how that alone will drive the vote. A breath of life was felt by the Trump campaign with Comey's statement a few days ago. But that's all it was, was a breath. They were on course to lose 400 to 135. Now they've stemmed the bloodletting. It will only be 320 to 210.
"But I don't see the women vote being significant here"  BOY, I DO !

Me & fivethirtyeight.com completely agree.

The insiders say Trump has lost.

[Serk]

...I just wish they'd hurry up and elect Hillary so we can get her impeachment proceedings started!

[The emperor has no clothes]

...I just wish they'd hurry up and elect Hillary so we can get her impeachment proceedings started!

Don't you at least want to start with 6 months of obstruction ? 

[Moonshot_1]

Well Moonshot, you've got so many things wrong I must reply. First of all, to say that someone who has insulted women in so many ways is only going to get a slight bump with them is simply delusional.  He is going to get killed by women. His only hope is there are enough pissed off males to mitigate it. I have my doubts. You are correct in that many democrats are tired of the scandals and are not enthusiastic about her. You completely underestimate the disdain for Trump and how that alone will drive the vote. A breath of life was felt by the Trump campaign with Comey's statement a few days ago. But that's all it was, was a breath. They were on course to lose 400 to 135. Now they've stemmed the bloodletting. It will only be 320 to 210.
"But I don't see the women vote being significant here"  BOY, I DO !

Not suggesting that Trump is going to rake in the Women vote. Just suggesting that it won't be nearly as robust for Hillary as they are thinking. Women are smart and discerning. They see corruption and know that the Clintons are up to their eyeballs in it.
The women I know, nearly to everyone of them either likes and leans toward Trump or can't stand either.

[Hook#3287]

So Craig, how was your ride?

You were on a motorcycle, right?
 

[baldo]

...I just wish they'd hurry up and elect Hillary so we can get her impeachment proceedings started!

Don't you at least want to start with 6 months of obstruction ? 

Lol.....good one...

Meathead, these guys have definitely kept you busy, or is it the other way around?  I leave for a day and all hell breaks loose.....

[cookiedough]

when I am in the wind on a cycle,  the last thing I look for are political signs in yards, just saying..

Trying not to change subject, but since this subject has turned to politics,  I have only had one person come up to my house being yesterday on a ballot question to support locally that big money is not free speech theme, basically from what I got out of her is that supporting that big business bucks and other shifty money coming in from who knows where has to be restricted and preferably OUT of govt. and if enough people support this (we the people she was preaching),  that the govt. has to listen for a change. 

I agreed but said good luck big corrupt bucks whether illegal or legal has been around before we were born.  I guess it is a movement going around, not sure if local or nationally since I do not follow politics that much?

It was unreal though my neighbor, who is a bit vocal and well just say 'different',  argued with her and raised his voice to her in his driveway enough so I could hear someone talking inside my house (was them) about politics in general.   I asked her after she was done giving her speech,  on how that talk went with my neighbor and she just shook her head and said he is pretty hard to talk to - gee,  tell me something I do not know if he starts up on being strictly democrat, his kids strictly republican again,  I am going to scream.  Trying to tell him that being either IN GENERAL democrat or republican should not matter as much as the PERSON running for each party.   I think that PERSON is more important than strictly voting for either democrat or republican party.   

[The emperor has no clothes]

...I just wish they'd hurry up and elect Hillary so we can get her impeachment proceedings started!

Don't you at least want to start with 6 months of obstruction ?  

Lol.....good one...

Meathead, these guys have definitely kept you busy, or is it the other way around?  I leave for a day and all hell breaks loose.....

  I'm not sure if Brenda would call it busy. I've mostly been trying to get out of housework on my 2 days off. 

[baldo]

Our trump sign is up proudly since it came in the mail

Have faith that the clinton crime family will be desstroyed before its too late for us...Israel. ..
The economy and our troops

Do you still have that extra sign? I'd be happy to take it off your hands, it will be put to good use....

[henry 008]

when I went to the MO FCR, I mostly rode secondary roads. 1500 miles from NC Ohio to Potosí, via Bloomington and Bedford In. out of the 100's of signs I saw, I only counted 6 HRC signs in all those miles    

[Gavin_Sons]

My neighbors across the street (very nice black family) had a huge Trump flag flying from the bed of the truck yesterday. I saw Mr. Jackson out so went and talked to him, he said what turned him off of Clinton was her saying she was for the black community when in reality she is against them and will continue to seperate black and whites just like obama when they should be bringing them together. He said he also hates that dumb ______. (Add in your own expletive) Speaking of Obama.

[NewValker]

So Craig, how was your ride?

You were on a motorcycle, right?
 Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Ride was great Bill, still not working but can ride Dr. said! (just told him I wanted to ride my bike, didn't mention it was 900 lbs.)
Tuesday & Thursday are looking fine for riding next week too. Already voted so no worries there.
And no sign counting!!!
Craig