Autonomous Cars vs. Motorcycles

[J.Mencalice]

Hope this posts.

http://www.cycleworld.com/can-autonomous-cars-detect-motorcycles?cmpid=enews110316&spMailingID=26967218&spUserID=NzQ5OTQyNTUwNjgS1&spJobID=920588433&spReportId=OTIwNTg4NDMzS0

Scary 41% "inadequate result" rate for detecting motorcycles. 

Obituary: "Joe Biker became one of the 41% statistics last night when he was ground up by a Tesla S at the intersection of Main and 1st, while waiting for the light to change. It's driver was in the back seat legally texting and enjoying an ice-cold Budweiser when he felt the thump."  " I thought that I had hit a deer." said Carl Cage when informed of the fatal encounter.

One more "technological advancement"  out there to get us.

[Robert]

Interesting article, I wonder if the Google car has the same problem and thats why a driver is present most of the time.

[Rams]

Well now, according to reports, the owners of Tesla received a letter reminding them to remain vigilant while operating their cars.    Those concerned should find the very reassuring.     

I know this news makes me feel much more secure.   

[dreamaker]

Isn't the point of autopilot not having to be vigilant, if you need to be vigilant then you should drive the car. Just what we need and other vehicle focused with the target on our backs.  With this one, who is at fault, SLICK! Spend years in court trying to determine who is at fault.

[scooperhsd]

It will definately be "interesting" how these autonomous vehicles will do blending in with us mere humans with our unpredictablilty (at times). And you shouldn't expect the law to treat them any different than any other vehicle...

Maybe they will have all of us "non-autonomous" owners get transponders for each vehicle. I'll take 4, please

[Hooter]

Will it ever work without failure? I say no, it's computerized and electrical, it will fail at some point always. Then what, "oh I'm sorry, not my fault it's the car". At what or whose expense? We have enough driverless vehicles right now with distracted drivers, why add something else? A 3000 lb missLE with no operator, good thought.

[dreamaker]

Stop and think, you speak of distracted drivers; all these so called improvements to vehicles are to compensate for these distracted drivers.  That makes as much sense as compensating for drunk drivers.  They will add various devices to everyone’s vehicles, another ward everyone pays for their science projects, as they reap the profits.  Let’s keep it simple, pay attention and drive the Fn vehicle, we don’t need all that extra crap draining our bank accounts, for thing we should be doing.  Don't be a Techno Sucker!

[baldo]

All this auto-drive crap is going to allow the drivers to be even more distracted. DVD, XBOX, etc.....

[Moonshot_1]

Solution is fairly simple. Technology wise anyhow.

Jewelry with embedded RF chips. Standard pedestrian frequency that all autonomous cars will recognize.
Have your kid wear one of those brilliant color rubber bracelets with a transponder RF chip.

Car senses the chip in the vicinity, slows down to "safe" speed. Chip enters an active zone car stops.

Have even non-autonomous cars with avoidance technology recognize the frequency and warn of pedestrians in the area.

Would work great for motorcycles. Should be pretty inexpensive. Maybe even free from dealers. Like promotional key rings. Maybe a plug and play tail light bulb so it is powered by the bike itself.

Of course you can argue that you shouldn't have to be responsible for such things and take the hit.

[Beardo]

This reminds me of my engineer brother. His wife backed out of the garage twice with the rear door of their SUV open. Did a lot of damage both times. His solution, as an engineer, was to want to rig up a bunch of sensors and flashing lights in the garage to warn of an open door....complex solution to a simple problem...pay attention. What happens when people get dependant on crap like that and don't pay attention and run over someone in a parking lot. Oh right...back up cameras and automatic braking will fix that. 

The best safety system is when a driver doesn't drive with their head up their sphincter.  It has the added benefit of NOT driving up the price of vehicles thousands of dollars.

[dreamaker]

Here is a thing, have you ever had a computer lockup on you, or your smart or Iphone take a crap. You get spikes or over heating issues, or even some butt head hacking just for giggles. Now we have vehicles that drive themselves, OK!!  Now do the math and see the results are. The best solutions are don’t put them on the road at all, Simple!  What is next commercial air? Military drones don’t fly over your house every day, the ones that have crashed; you think they would tell you about them.  Ya Right!!! Don't just look at the cool ideas of it, you must look at the big picture and the negative possibilities.

[Willow]

I'm greatly impressed by the ignorance of many regarding auto-auto vehicles.  As a human driver one cannot react as quickly or drive as smoothly as a well developed software controlled vehicle.  While worrying about the few accidents that might be the result of a failure of automation (in the early stages of development) you completely ignore the number of accidents that will be avoided by the automatons due to quicker reaction and inability to be distracted.

Do I think I would like an auto-auto?  No.  My resistance though is centered on the loss of the enjoyment and satisfaction of personally driving, not on any misguided belief that I could do a better job than the automaton.   

[The emperor has no clothes]

I'm greatly impressed by the ignorance of many regarding auto-auto vehicles.  As a human driver one cannot react as quickly or drive as smoothly as a well developed software controlled vehicle.  While worrying about the few accidents that might be the result of a failure of automation (in the early stages of development) you completely ignore the number of accidents that will be avoided by the automatons due to quicker reaction and inability to be distracted.

Do I think I would like an auto-auto?  No.  My resistance though is centered on the loss of the enjoyment and satisfaction of personally driving, not on any misguided belief that I could do a better job than the automaton.   

Plus, I have a hard time not being in control of the vehicle when my wife drives. I can't imagine the angst I would have with a driverless vehicle. I know it wouldn't be enjoyable for me.

[Beardo]

I'm greatly impressed by the ignorance of many regarding auto-auto vehicles.  As a human driver one cannot react as quickly or drive as smoothly as a well developed software controlled vehicle.  While worrying about the few accidents that might be the result of a failure of automation (in the early stages of development) you completely ignore the number of accidents that will be avoided by the automatons due to quicker reaction and inability to be distracted.

Do I think I would like an auto-auto?  No.  My resistance though is centered on the loss of the enjoyment and satisfaction of personally driving, not on any misguided belief that I could do a better job than the automaton.   

Meh. Give me 70's technology cars and trucks...and throw in fuel injection and today's improved manufacturing tolerances and reliability....I'd be a happy man.

[Rams]

I'm greatly impressed by the ignorance of many regarding auto-auto vehicles.  As a human driver one cannot react as quickly or drive as smoothly as a well developed software controlled vehicle.  While worrying about the few accidents that might be the result of a failure of automation (in the early stages of development) you completely ignore the number of accidents that will be avoided by the automatons due to quicker reaction and inability to be distracted.

Do I think I would like an auto-auto?  No.  My resistance though is centered on the loss of the enjoyment and satisfaction of personally driving, not on any misguided belief that I could do a better job than the automaton.   

While I won't disagree with you on human versus automation, I do find it interesting that you are impressed with ignorance.    Most folks are disappointed when they come across it.   

[The emperor has no clothes]

I'm greatly impressed by the ignorance of many regarding auto-auto vehicles.  As a human driver one cannot react as quickly or drive as smoothly as a well developed software controlled vehicle.  While worrying about the few accidents that might be the result of a failure of automation (in the early stages of development) you completely ignore the number of accidents that will be avoided by the automatons due to quicker reaction and inability to be distracted.

Do I think I would like an auto-auto?  No.  My resistance though is centered on the loss of the enjoyment and satisfaction of personally driving, not on any misguided belief that I could do a better job than the automaton.   

While I won't disagree with you on human versus automation, I do find it interesting that you are impressed with ignorance.    Most folks are disappointed when they come across it.   

Now Ron, you know Willow isn't like most people. 

[Moonshot_1]

Yes, we can have autonomous vehicles on the roads and have them on rare occasion fail.
Or we can have Bubba hand you his beer as he tells you "Watch this crap!" as he climbs in his car or Sheila do her make-up, while yelling at her kids in the back while texting Denise that the traffic is horrible on the freeway and everyone is driving so fast.

Maybe automation isn't so bad.

[Rams]

Does this mean I can start drink'n in my hot rod Lincoln?

[gordonv]

Solution is fairly simple. Technology wise anyhow.

Jewelry with embedded RF chips. Standard pedestrian frequency that all autonomous cars will recognize.
Have your kid wear one of those brilliant color rubber bracelets with a transponder RF chip.

Car senses the chip in the vicinity, slows down to "safe" speed. Chip enters an active zone car stops.

Have even non-autonomous cars with avoidance technology recognize the frequency and warn of pedestrians in the area.

Would work great for motorcycles. Should be pretty inexpensive. Maybe even free from dealers. Like promotional key rings. Maybe a plug and play tail light bulb so it is powered by the bike itself.

Of course you can argue that you shouldn't have to be responsible for such things and take the hit.

I figured a reflective "bar code" on the back/sides, of all vehicles, that the "camera" on the auto car can see, and then identify with. Same kind of technology they have for our Toll bridges.

Another would also be communication between all these automated vehicles. So they can talk to each other, and get into a "train" type mod. So someone is going to have to develop a standard communication architect.

It's still a ways away, but in another 10 years or so, who knows?

[cookiedough]

Stop and think, you speak of distracted drivers; all these so called improvements to vehicles are to compensate for these distracted drivers.  That makes as much sense as compensating for drunk drivers.  They will add various devices to everyone’s vehicles, another ward everyone pays for their science projects, as they reap the profits.  Let’s keep it simple, pay attention and drive the Fn vehicle, we don’t need all that extra crap draining our bank accounts, for thing we should be doing.  Don't be a Techno Sucker!

tell all of this to the millenium (younger) generation today who goes for all this junk on vehicles today and most of them are the engineers now building this garbage we do not need on vehicles costing us 1,000's more that we cannot avoid or soon will not be able to avoid buying.  

heck,  I do not even want rain sensing wipers,  auto dimming headlights, and lane departure sensors or back up sensors.  I do like though the backup camera when hitching up my trailer saves me from getting in/out of my vehicle a few more times and can live without, but now comes standard auto dimming rearview mirror and the homelink garage door opener built in is nice just pushing the rearview mirror button.   I think those few things are o.k. but where do we draw the line?

heck, my neighbors decked out every gadget option 2014 mazda CX-5 small SUV cost him just as much as my 2014 mid level SR5 trim toyota tundra full sized truck.  Why you need 6 or even 8 BOSE speakers in any vehicle, let alone a smaller SUV,  is beyond my reasoning.  

[Rams]

I'm greatly impressed by the ignorance of many regarding auto-auto vehicles.  As a human driver one cannot react as quickly or drive as smoothly as a well developed software controlled vehicle.  While worrying about the few accidents that might be the result of a failure of automation (in the early stages of development) you completely ignore the number of accidents that will be avoided by the automatons due to quicker reaction and inability to be distracted.

Do I think I would like an auto-auto?  No.  My resistance though is centered on the loss of the enjoyment and satisfaction of personally driving, not on any misguided belief that I could do a better job than the automaton.   

While I won't disagree with you on human versus automation, I do find it interesting that you are impressed with ignorance.    Most folks are disappointed when they come across it.   

Now Ron, you know Willow isn't like most people. 

Whoa there Rob,
I said that with respect and after due consideration for the beloved Willow.    You are correct though, Willow is not like most people.    I like him a lot better than most people. 

[dreamaker]

Thinking about what you guys said about automation, maybe it is a good Idea, to keep people from falling off their motorcycles and keep the bike under control because they have difficulty doing that. Keep them on a bike and not in a bed. 

[cookiedough]

Thinking about what you guys said about automation, maybe it is a good Idea, to keep people from falling off their motorcycles and keep the bike under control because they have difficulty doing that. Keep them on a bike and not in a bed. 

that is what those power fold down training wheels are for they make now for cycles. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOON8l-VPWM

[dreamaker]

Yes, You are right, I forgot about those HiTech training wheels!

[hukmut]

Just one more "something" to enable us to be not responsible for ourselves.

Millennials will eat this sh*t up!



Ride safe, y'all.....

[Sorcerer]

Just think. With an auto car little Johny can get him self to the 4:30am hockey practice. Mom/ dad can now work on little Johnys next brother/sister. The grade schools will need much larger parking lots, atleast 3/1 ratio. The law enforcement hours could be cut to a 3rd, no over time to work accidents or to run DUI enforcement. Think of the response time for medical emergencys, all smart cars will pull over and the smart ambulance can run at 100 mph. Emergency vehicals will be a bit hard on pedestrians though when the implanted chip activates the spinal block and drops them in there tracks and deploys the head air bag.  

[dreamaker]

Speaking of airbags for pedestrians, check out these belts for buzzards, this may help when the spinal block kicks in.

http://www.yidio.com/show/xploration-earth-2050/season-3/episode-7/5288928505