Here we go.....

[baldo]

Well fellas. it looks like the unthinkable is about to happen. I guess my eyes were a bit bigger than my stomach. I grossly underestimated the anger out there. Don't get me wrong, I knew it was there, just not as wide spread as is evidenced tonight.

Trump now has to show how he's going to govern. It's not enough to say, 'it's going to be beautiful/fantastic/ the best/huge, etc. He's going to have to put his money where his mouth is, so to speak.

Say goodbye to any protections from Wall Street predators. You guys that have complaints about the ACA, some of which have merit. Say goodbye to protection from insurance companies and their denials from pre-existing conditions, payout limits, your kids not having coverage, etc. Are we going to have a return to home foreclosures and bank 'misdeeds'?

He has to make good on his wall. He has to make good on his promises of deportation. He has to make good on his banning of Muslims. If he doesn't make good on these promises, how are you guys going to feel?

He has the next four years to show just how different he's going to make Washington. Personally, I think you've all been sold a bill of goods. He's not going to be able to make good on all his promises. Hell, has he really made any promises? He's been so vague about what he's going to do, yet he's very close to be named President.

We'll see how he handles his victory speech. Will be magnanimous in victory, or will he revert to his usual pomposity?

I'm very curious how the next four years will be like here on the VRCC.

If Trump fails to deliver on his promises, if he disappoints all those that feel he was the answer....will you admit it? How good are you going to feel about pulling that lever?

[mike72903]

It will be interesting to watch the dynamics between DT and the GOP power brokers that didn't support him

[f6john]

How much time did Obama invest in the ACA to the exclusion of every other problem out there?  You better believe that their is anger out here. That sure must be a comfortable bubble you have been living in. He still has to deal with Congress just like any other President so who knows what will be accomplished.  But praise the Lord, Hilliary can go home and play with the grandkids and the American people won't have to put up with her bull¥£€* for the next four years.
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[Crackerborn]

Since The Donald is more politically in line with Chuck Schumer than he is with Paul Ryan, I would think he might become the lefts new darling in about 2 years. FYI, as a true fiscal and political  conservative, I voted for Evan McMullan. I saw the Shyster Show up close and personal not once, but twice. The only hope I have is that he will honor his promises and nominate constitutional  minded Supreme Court Justices. But that is a slim hope since the scorpion will be true to it's nature.

[Robert]

Baldo polls have been wrong, those in government have been wrong media and the savage, bias attacks and I would say you have been and are wrong. I would think that you guys being on this board and day to day hearing and seeing the things here would have opened your eyes to how people are really feeling. But it didn't, I say lets see if indeed he will live up to his promises, it does my heart good to hear lets work together to make America Great again.

[Rams]

I grossly underestimated the anger out there. Don't get me wrong, I knew it was there, just not as wide spread as is evidenced tonight.

As did just about every Dem out there.   I think it's funny that that the Dems nominated the one person that couldn't beat Trump.   I still don't like Trump but, I'm happy as Hell Hillary didn't win.   SCOTUS is safe.  

The one promise I hope Trump keeps is to assign a Special Prosecutor to investigate Hillary.

[solo1]

So now you guys suddenly expect a new politician to live up to his promises?   Just like Obama did? You are going to want us to hold his feet to the fire?

All this time you have been calling Trump lower than a snake.

You have instead, damn near called Hilary a Saint.  A person who is a known liar, a person who is alleged to be in politics only for herself.  I could go on but I won't because she is now TOAST!

Quite frankly, I expect only that Trump will start to repair the damages that 8 years of Obama and the Democratic party have caused to this Republic.

I can only speak for myself, but if you continue on deriding this BIG voice of the majority of good and honest people in this country. I will, for the first time, put you on my sh** list.

Why don't you go back to riding now and join the fellowship on this board.

Wayne, solo1

[MP]

Well fellas. it looks like the unthinkable is about to happen. I guess my eyes were a bit bigger than my stomach. I grossly underestimated the anger out there. Don't get me wrong, I knew it was there, just not as wide spread as is evidenced tonight.

Trump now has to show how he's going to govern. It's not enough to say, 'it's going to be beautiful/fantastic/ the best/huge, etc. He's going to have to put his money where his mouth is, so to speak.

Say goodbye to any protections from Wall Street predators. You guys that have complaints about the ACA, some of which have merit. Say goodbye to protection from insurance companies and their denials from pre-existing conditions, payout limits, your kids not having coverage, etc. Are we going to have a return to home foreclosures and bank 'misdeeds'?

He has to make good on his wall. He has to make good on his promises of deportation. He has to make good on his banning of Muslims. If he doesn't make good on these promises, how are you guys going to feel?

He has the next four years to show just how different he's going to make Washington. Personally, I think you've all been sold a bill of goods. He's not going to be able to make good on all his promises. Hell, has he really made any promises? He's been so vague about what he's going to do, yet he's very close to be named President.

We'll see how he handles his victory speech. Will be magnanimous in victory, or will he revert to his usual pomposity?

I'm very curious how the next four years will be like here on the VRCC.

If Trump fails to deliver on his promises, if he disappoints all those that feel he was the answer....will you admit it? How good are you going to feel about pulling that lever?

Watch how the Dems obstruct everything he wants to do.

[FLAVALK]

Since it appears Hillary will win the popular vote, I'm waiting for the liberals to start their mantra of "Trump stole the election"...just like they did in 2000 

[FLAVALK]

Watch how the Dems obstruct everything he wants to do.


Does anyone expect anything else?

[The emperor has no clothes]

Man, you guys are off to a great start in uniting the country.

[solo1]

Meathead, you're right.  After being stomped on as Obama calls us gun totin' "Bible thumpers' , as patriots, etc, I personally think that a little stompin' on our part is in order if we are baited.

That old slogan "Payback is Hell"" isn't too far off. 

I'd say "Cool It"   Let's go riding or sports car driving.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Meathead, you're right.  After being stomped on as Obama calls us gun totin' "Bible thumpers' , as patriots, etc, I personally think that a little stompin' on our part is in order if we are baited.

That old slogan "Payback is Hell"" isn't too far off. 

I'd say "Cool It"   Let's go riding or sports car driving.

Its ok. I'm sure the country will survive. Your guy won fair and square. If you guys feel the need to gloat I can live with it. But I will say that calling each other names and saying we can eat crap isn't going to help any of us. I was told the marijuana proposition failed here, so I can't even medicate myself after last night thrashing. 

[Psychotic Bovine]

I love movie and television quotes.  This one especially seems fitting:
"The Alliance said they were gonna waltz through Serenity Valley. And we choked 'em with those words. We've done the impossible, and that makes us mighty. Just a little while longer. Our angels are gonna be soaring overhead, raining fire on those arrogant Khags." - Malcolm Reynolds

[G-Man]

  I think it's funny that that the Dems nominated the one person that couldn't beat Trump.   I still don't like Trump but, I'm happy as Hell Hillary didn't win.  

OK, we know, we know, you don't like Trump.  You haven't been able to write one post yet where you've gone after Clinton, without also saying that you don't like Trump.  You don't have to feel guilty any longer.

As for The Democrats not running someone who could have beat Trump.........  That's what happens when you run a political party like a monarchy.  "It's her turn"

[Gavin_Sons]

Time for her and Bill to pack up and move to a country where they can't extradite. Syria maybe? Since she likes them so much. 

[Wizzard]

Well fellas. it looks like the unthinkable is about to happen. I guess my eyes were a bit bigger than my stomach. I grossly underestimated the anger out there. Don't get me wrong, I knew it was there, just not as wide spread as is evidenced tonight.

Trump now has to show how he's going to govern. It's not enough to say, 'it's going to be beautiful/fantastic/ the best/huge, etc. He's going to have to put his money where his mouth is, so to speak.

Say goodbye to any protections from Wall Street predators. You guys that have complaints about the ACA, some of which have merit. Say goodbye to protection from insurance companies and their denials from pre-existing conditions, payout limits, your kids not having coverage, etc. Are we going to have a return to home foreclosures and bank 'misdeeds'?

He has to make good on his wall. He has to make good on his promises of deportation. He has to make good on his banning of Muslims. If he doesn't make good on these promises, how are you guys going to feel?

He has the next four years to show just how different he's going to make Washington. Personally, I think you've all been sold a bill of goods. He's not going to be able to make good on all his promises. Hell, has he really made any promises? He's been so vague about what he's going to do, yet he's very close to be named President.

We'll see how he handles his victory speech. Will be magnanimous in victory, or will he revert to his usual pomposity?

I'm very curious how the next four years will be like here on the VRCC.

If Trump fails to deliver on his promises, if he disappoints all those that feel he was the answer....will you admit it? How good are you going to feel about pulling that lever?

Baldo,, I am curious,, why is there so much anger out there?
Why did the pollsters and you miss it so bad?
Why are political promises now so important to you?
Since you seem to want to predict things, where will we be in 4 years?

Inquiring minds want to know

[sleepngbear]

Time for her and Bill to pack up and move to a country where they can't extradite. Syria maybe? Since she likes them so much.  

I don't care where they go, as long as they just go away.

As for the rest, I'm not gonna gloat, because there's nothing to be gained from it. Not gonna tell the Dem supporters to go pound, either, because you're going to react to this however you will -- you can stomp your feet in defeat, jump on board and try to make a positive difference, or just sit back and watch what happens, good or bad.  But I will take great comfort in knowing how not alone I am in my anger with the current establishment. And I hope, if nothing else, that Washington opens its collective eyes now to see what happens when they piss off enough of the country and get back to working for US and not just themselves -- and that goes for both sides.

Somebody mentioned that the Democrats put up the only person who could not beat Trump.  I'd also argue in a strange twist of irony that Trump might also have been the only candidate that could have beaten Clinton. Had they nominated another career politician, it could easily have gone the way of the last election. Again. So I take a mixed sense of comfort in that bit of fate as well.

[..]

Man, you guys are off to a great start in uniting the country.

You are able to comprehend that baldo made the first inflammatory post in this thread?

[..]

Hey baldo you do understand that he's not even been sworn in as President yet? I like your coming together opening speech.

Good job on showing what a (enter descriptor here) you are.

You may also have failed to see that Clinton didn't come to the stage last night to thank her believers, helpers and supporters. Speaks volumes about her self serving attitude.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Man, you guys are off to a great start in uniting the country.

You are able to comprehend that baldo made the first inflammatory post in this thread?

The mind sees what it wants to see. (Enter descriptor here) 

[Moonshot_1]

Three months ago I posted that Trump was going to win.
The very reasons he won were what I said was going to happen.
Excerpt from my Nov. 1st post. (I know I posted a lengthy theory a couple months before. Can't find it)

"" I have posted that I believe Trump will win and by historic margins. I believe the polls are wrong.
Badly wrong.

This race is being cast as a race between Hillary Clinton the Democrat vs Donald Trump the Republican.

That is wrong.

This is a race between Hillary Clinton the Democrat vs Donald Trump the wildly popular Independent candidate on the Republican ticket.  

Those tens of thousands at the Trump rallies are not enthusiastic Republicans. They are the Independents whose Candidate has come home and is ready to make waves.

This will be spectacular.""


And it was!

This is what the pollsters and media are still trying to wrap their heads around.

To me, this was plain as day to see. The polls made sense looking at the Clinton campaign but made no sense at all when held up to the Trump Campaign.

And to think, Trump did this with significantly less Campaign money than Clinton had and against the documented political corruption of the DNC leadership. You know Bernie Sanders is secretly doing a happy dance at the DNC's comeuppance.

[Karen]

It has been deeply reassuring to know that the majority of people in this country have proven that I'm not alone in my feelings and opinions. Including the ones about not putting out signs and stickers for fear of vandalism or worse; justified to me last night by the behavior of Hillary supporters in CA. Up here in Liberal Land, my vote was negated many times over, but we have still arrived at  a wonderful do-over point, which we sorely needed. I love my liberal friends, and it's time for all of us to show what can be accomplished truly working together. I feel like the parents have finally gotten control of the adolescents, and the messages about personal responsibility, kindness towards others,  not handouts but a hand up, talking truth and dumping the political correctness, having respect and maintenance, not obliteration, of our history, and returning education back to the local level will go a long way towards fixing what's gone wrong since the Democrats began their sharp left turn so many years ago. For the record, I'm a Veteran of the Vietnam era, and have donated financially to the couples who were sued because they stood on their religious principals and refused to provide a Wedding cake for a gay couple, who then turned around and sued them for discrimination. What, there was no place else they could have gotten a cake? You would think that I would support the addition of women in to the Rangers, Seals, and other elite military units, but I don't. Standards have been lowered to accommodate the physical differences between men & women; the libs spout equality, I'm spouting open your fing eyes and acknowledge the reality. Finally, as a gay woman in a liberal state, I was able to marry my partner, and have 22 wonderful years before dementia took her last year. My friends love me, in spite of my predilections. There is good on both sides of the coin, let's get those term limits in place, and get back to the values that our Greatest Generation fought so hard to preserve, get the Federal Government out of where it doesn't belong. Let's have the conversation, and put our cards on the table. Where is that windbag icon, anyway?

[Valkorado]

It has been deeply reassuring to know that the majority of people in this country have proven that I'm not alone in my feelings and opinions. Including the ones about not putting out signs and stickers for fear of vandalism or worse; justified to me last night by the behavior of Hillary supporters in CA. Up here in Liberal Land, my vote was negated many times over, but we have still arrived at  a wonderful do-over point, which we sorely needed. I love my liberal friends, and it's time for all of us to show what can be accomplished truly working together. I feel like the parents have finally gotten control of the adolescents, and the messages about personal responsibility, kindness towards others,  not handouts but a hand up, talking truth and dumping the political correctness, having respect and maintenance, not obliteration, of our history, and returning education back to the local level will go a long way towards fixing what's gone wrong since the Democrats began their sharp left turn so many years ago. For the record, I'm a Veteran of the Vietnam era, and have donated financially to the couples who were sued because they stood on their religious principals and refused to provide a Wedding cake for a gay couple, who then turned around and sued them for discrimination. What, there was no place else they could have gotten a cake? You would think that I would support the addition of women in to the Rangers, Seals, and other elite military units, but I don't. Standards have been lowered to accommodate the physical differences between men & women; the libs spout equality, I'm spouting open your fing eyes and acknowledge the reality. Finally, as a gay woman in a liberal state, I was able to marry my partner, and have 22 wonderful years before dementia took her last year. My friends love me, in spite of my predilections. There is good on both sides of the coin, let's get those term limits in place, and get back to the values that our Greatest Generation fought so hard to preserve, get the Federal Government out of where it doesn't belong. Let's have the conversation, and put our cards on the table. Where is that windbag icon, anyway?

[Serk]

...now we have to watch carefully and see what damage Obama, his pen and his phone manage to do in the next 71 days...

[G-Man]

It has been deeply reassuring to know that the majority of people in this country have proven that I'm not alone in my feelings and opinions. Including the ones about not putting out signs and stickers for fear of vandalism or worse; justified to me last night by the behavior of Hillary supporters in CA. Up here in Liberal Land, my vote was negated many times over, but we have still arrived at  a wonderful do-over point, which we sorely needed. I love my liberal friends, and it's time for all of us to show what can be accomplished truly working together. I feel like the parents have finally gotten control of the adolescents, and the messages about personal responsibility, kindness towards others,  not handouts but a hand up, talking truth and dumping the political correctness, having respect and maintenance, not obliteration, of our history, and returning education back to the local level will go a long way towards fixing what's gone wrong since the Democrats began their sharp left turn so many years ago. For the record, I'm a Veteran of the Vietnam era, and have donated financially to the couples who were sued because they stood on their religious principals and refused to provide a Wedding cake for a gay couple, who then turned around and sued them for discrimination. What, there was no place else they could have gotten a cake? You would think that I would support the addition of women in to the Rangers, Seals, and other elite military units, but I don't. Standards have been lowered to accommodate the physical differences between men & women; the libs spout equality, I'm spouting open your fing eyes and acknowledge the reality. Finally, as a gay woman in a liberal state, I was able to marry my partner, and have 22 wonderful years before dementia took her last year. My friends love me, in spite of my predilections. There is good on both sides of the coin, let's get those term limits in place, and get back to the values that our Greatest Generation fought so hard to preserve, get the Federal Government out of where it doesn't belong. Let's have the conversation, and put our cards on the table. Where is that windbag icon, anyway?

Please count me as one of the friends who Loves you, K!

Terrific post.

[..]

...now we have to watch carefully and see what damage Obama, his pen and his phone manage to do in the next 71 days...

 

[..]

Man, you guys are off to a great start in uniting the country.

You are able to comprehend that baldo made the first inflammatory post in this thread?

The mind sees what it wants to see. (Enter descriptor here) 

WHA?

[Alien]

I agree with you 100% Baldo.  However, at this point all we can do is accept that he will be the next President and hope that we were wrong and that his supporters were right.  Maybe they were on to something that I couldn't see.  God, I hope so.  Regardless, I will give him the respect that his office deserves and soldier on.  What else can you do?

Ride Safe,

Alien

[..]

I agree with you 100% Baldo.  However, at this point all we can do is accept that he will be the next President and hope that we were wrong and that his supporters were right.  Maybe they were on to something that I couldn't see.  God, I hope so.  Regardless, I will give him the respect that his office deserves and soldier on.  What else can you do?

Ride Safe,

Alien

You too?

Even before the guy has been sworn in. Amazing.

[Roadog]

The mind sees what it wants to see. (Enter descriptor here) 
[/quote]

    Isnt that what you do MH, Does that go for you too ?? or just for the rest of us.

   Just say'n   ....

Roadog

[Oss]

You know how  i feel about you karen  

Hope to see you at a n.e. breakfast later this year
And if I do the columbus rides again will give you an early heads up

[sleepngbear]

It has been deeply reassuring to know that the majority of people in this country have proven that I'm not alone in my feelings and opinions. Including the ones about not putting out signs and stickers for fear of vandalism or worse; justified to me last night by the behavior of Hillary supporters in CA. Up here in Liberal Land, my vote was negated many times over, but we have still arrived at  a wonderful do-over point, which we sorely needed. I love my liberal friends, and it's time for all of us to show what can be accomplished truly working together. I feel like the parents have finally gotten control of the adolescents, and the messages about personal responsibility, kindness towards others,  not handouts but a hand up, talking truth and dumping the political correctness, having respect and maintenance, not obliteration, of our history, and returning education back to the local level will go a long way towards fixing what's gone wrong since the Democrats began their sharp left turn so many years ago. For the record, I'm a Veteran of the Vietnam era, and have donated financially to the couples who were sued because they stood on their religious principals and refused to provide a Wedding cake for a gay couple, who then turned around and sued them for discrimination. What, there was no place else they could have gotten a cake? You would think that I would support the addition of women in to the Rangers, Seals, and other elite military units, but I don't. Standards have been lowered to accommodate the physical differences between men & women; the libs spout equality, I'm spouting open your fing eyes and acknowledge the reality. Finally, as a gay woman in a liberal state, I was able to marry my partner, and have 22 wonderful years before dementia took her last year. My friends love me, in spite of my predilections. There is good on both sides of the coin, let's get those term limits in place, and get back to the values that our Greatest Generation fought so hard to preserve, get the Federal Government out of where it doesn't belong. Let's have the conversation, and put our cards on the table. Where is that windbag icon, anyway?

Please count me as one of the friends who Loves you, K!

Terrific post.

Ditto that. 80,000 thumbs-ups to you, dear.

[Skinhead]

I agree with you 100% Baldo.  However, at this point all we can do is accept that he will be the next President and hope that we were wrong and that his supporters were right.  Maybe they were on to something that I couldn't see.  God, I hope so.  Regardless, I will give him the respect that his office deserves and soldier on.  What else can you do?

Ride Safe,

Alien

Good attitude (all except with that agreeing with Baldo stuff) and I applaud you for it.  The people have spoken, let's give the man a chance.


BTW, I fully expect the same criticism of Trump that obama got from us if warranted, but I don't foresee the same level of devisiveness we saw with obummer.

[Willow]

... but I don't foresee the same level of decisiveness we saw with obummer.

The difference between a c and a v is significant.

[BudMan]

... but I don't foresee the same level of decisiveness we saw with obummer.

The difference between a c and a v is significant.

Holy Cow! talk about the mind seeing what it expects/wants to see... I read right past that and never noticed it!

[Moonshot_1]

Since it appears Hillary will win the popular vote, I'm waiting for the liberals to start their mantra of "Trump stole the election"...just like they did in 2000 

Thought about that too. Hillary is ahead in the popular vote yet concedes pretty early. I know she lost the big states but still the vote difference nationally is only 200,000. Surely there must have been some precincts or states close enough to legally challenge.

My guess is that the popular vote has a number of fraudulent votes within it and if Hillary wanted to challenge any of them it would take a focused inquiry and the fraud would be evident. They would recount and re verify the votes to find 2000 dead people voted for Hillary and Trump still won the precinct. So I don't expect much for legal challenges. This is what will eventually be discovered.
That in the end Trump also won the legit popular vote.

[Willow]

... Hillary is ahead in the popular vote yet concedes pretty early. I know she lost the big states but still the vote difference nationally is only 200,000. Surely there must have been some precincts or states close enough to legally challenge. 
...

Actually it's not the popular vote, that does appear very close, but the electoral votes that matter.  There were only four states that were close enough that a recount could have possibly reversed their direction.  The electoral vote was widely spread enough that it would have taken two or more of those states to change the electoral balance.  Chances for that would be very, very slim.  It's not at all like it was in 2000 when reversing the very close state of Florida would change the outcome of the election.

[Oss]

The electoral college does level the playing field.

Partly enacted to protect us from Virginia ironically

Just like we have 2 houses of congress one with 2 senators per state and one based on population (gerrymandered as it is)

[Moonshot_1]

... Hillary is ahead in the popular vote yet concedes pretty early. I know she lost the big states but still the vote difference nationally is only 200,000. Surely there must have been some precincts or states close enough to legally challenge. 
...

Actually it's not the popular vote, that does appear very close, but the electoral votes that matter.  There were only four states that were close enough that a recount could have possibly reversed their direction.  The electoral vote was widely spread enough that it would have taken two or more of those states to change the electoral balance.  Chances for that would be very, very slim.  It's not at all like it was in 2000 when reversing the very close state of Florida would change the outcome of the election.

Understand the Electoral College system. The point which I am trying to make, (apparently with limited success) is the difference in the popular vote is only 200000 votes and in Clinton's favor. I know that this is irrelevant in and of itself.  But the mere 200k vote difference surely means in some key states that the margins within those states (and this is relevant) were really thin and could have been challenged.

So the point I'm making is that Clinton didn't even question any of the results because it would expose the corruption and fraud that the Trump camp legitimately over came.