time to play offense

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

There is no doubt, gun-owners (and the rest of America) won big on Tuesday and we should be very proud of that.

We should also take advantage of our win and start looking for some long term changes such as....

Our permits should be good throughout the US without any new restrictions on how we get them in our respective states. If you can legally carry then you should be able to do so in every state and city in the US, including DC.

Let's get the State Department out of the business of regulating gunsmiths. (yes, I know I have a personal stake in this, so do you)

Let's push to get suppressors de-listed as NFA items. You shouldn't have to pay the government $200 and jump through hoops to protect your hearing or your neighbors hearing.

Let's push for a national law recognizing that with the exception of NFA items citizens have the right to own any firearm or magazine without any kind of registration. As in, larger than .50 cal. and full auto remain NFA items, anything else citizens are free to own. Semi-auto, pump, single shot, bolt-action, break-action, lever, you name it. If it's under 50 cal. and not full auto then US citizens can own it. Period.

This win should make the 2nd Amendment pretty safe for the next 25-40 years which means my generation can go to our graves knowing we did right by our descendants. But, once Donald is seated, it's time to expand on that! It's time to take our Bill of Rights off the political chopping block if possible. We came perilously close to entering a downward spiral which would have almost certainly ended in the breakup or near breakup of the United States.

You Democrats need to take ending any of our Freedoms off your wish list and take back control of your party. We can argue about immigration, welfare, the stock market, whatever as part of the political process but our Constitutional rights are not and will never be negotiable and you need to quit trying to make them so. Take control of your party and bring it back to the party of Kennedy, civil rights and support of our 1st and 2nd Amendment rights, not the party of racism, violence and restricted rights which is what you have right now.

I respect those who came before me and I love those who come after too much to throw away our country or our freedom. So should you.

[Serk]

Revocation of the Hughes Amendment would also be HUGE...

Hey, while we're dreaming, let's dream big!

[Jess from VA]

 

https://www.change.org/p/united-states-congress-repeal-the-hughes-amendment-of-the-fopa

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/08/david-codrea/dismissal-of-post-1986-machine-gun-ban-challenge-appealed/

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

https://www.change.org/p/united-states-congress-repeal-the-hughes-amendment-of-the-fopa

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/08/david-codrea/dismissal-of-post-1986-machine-gun-ban-challenge-appealed/

As far as I could tell that petition is still viable (correct me if I'm wrong) so I signed it. Timing it to arrive at the new President's desk might just get something done! If it is still viable, a correctly timed social media campaign might be just the ticket.

[Skinhead]

There is no doubt, gun-owners (and the rest of America) won big on Tuesday and we should be very proud of that.

We should also take advantage of our win and start looking for some long term changes such as....

Our permits should be good throughout the US without any new restrictions on how we get them in our respective states. If you can legally carry then you should be able to do so in every state and city in the US, including DC.

Let's get the State Department out of the business of regulating gunsmiths. (yes, I know I have a personal stake in this, so do you)

Let's push to get suppressors de-listed as NFA items. You shouldn't have to pay the government $200 and jump through hoops to protect your hearing or your neighbors hearing.

Let's push for a national law recognizing that with the exception of NFA items citizens have the right to own any firearm or magazine without any kind of registration. As in, larger than .50 cal. and full auto remain NFA items, anything else citizens are free to own. Semi-auto, pump, single shot, bolt-action, break-action, lever, you name it. If it's under 50 cal. and not full auto then US citizens can own it. Period.

This win should make the 2nd Amendment pretty safe for the next 25-40 years which means my generation can go to our graves knowing we did right by our descendants. But, once Donald is seated, it's time to expand on that! It's time to take our Bill of Rights off the political chopping block if possible. We came perilously close to entering a downward spiral which would have almost certainly ended in the breakup or near breakup of the United States.

You Democrats need to take ending any of our Freedoms off your wish list and take back control of your party. We can argue about immigration, welfare, the stock market, whatever as part of the political process but our Constitutional rights are not and will never be negotiable and you need to quit trying to make them so. Take control of your party and bring it back to the party of Kennedy, civil rights and support of our 1st and 2nd Amendment rights, not the party of racism, violence and restricted rights which is what you have right now.

I respect those who came before me and I love those who come after too much to throw away our country or our freedom. So should you.

Very well said.  I might also add swift and severe punishment for criminals found to illegally possess firearms, or for the illegal use of firearms, especially the result is injury or death.  Get the guns out of the hands of criminals, or eliminate the criminals.  The guns themselves can't kill.

[threevalks]

I like what Joe said.  Get the guns out of the hands of criminals, or eliminate the criminals.  The guns themselves can't kill.
Mainly, the eliminate the criminals part. 

[solo1]

You know, as a Endowment Lifetime member of the NRA, the issuing of a universal permit by the Feds to be recognized by all the states, I think, is excellent.

However, then the 'picky' thing comes up for me. I don't trust the Feds. I do trust states rights as noted by the Constitution.

Is there a 'meddling' problem here?

 Comments?

[Serk]

You know, as a Endowment Lifetime member of the NRA, the issuing of a universal permit by the Feds to be recognized by all the states, I think, is excellent.

However, then the 'picky' thing comes up for me. I don't trust the Feds. I do trust states rights as noted by the Constitution.

Is there a 'meddling' problem here?

 Comments?

IMHO it doesn't require a federal license, just the feds requiring all states honor each other's licenses, just like we currently have for driver's licenses.

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

You know, as a Endowment Lifetime member of the NRA, the issuing of a universal permit by the Feds to be recognized by all the states, I think, is excellent.

However, then the 'picky' thing comes up for me. I don't trust the Feds. I do trust states rights as noted by the Constitution.

Is there a 'meddling' problem here?

 Comments?

I Agree.
I  think some form of federal level Constitutional Carry would work though. As in, if you have the right to carry in your home state (even if it's permitless carry) then all states and cities in the US would be required to honor that. Then the worst the feds could do later would be to repeal that and it's wouldn't affect our state permits.

I'm certainly no attorney though so I don't know if that's a viable option.

[old2soon]

While I was still operating with my C D L it was honored in all 50 States Old Mexico and Canada. I don't really expect Mexico and Canada to honor my C C W permit BUT I do EXPECT the other 49 States to Honor my RIGHT to carry.  RIDE SAFE.

[Jess from VA]

There is a pretty good argument that letting the Fed get in the act of National Carry (in any way) to allow CCW in any state to be good for all states, get's the Camel's nose under the tent to allow them to revoke it or otherwise screw with us in the future.  And one should always be wary of a Fed bearing gifts in such a way as to tell all the states to do (or not do) something.  Is this not a states rights issue???

But the NRA and some others feel it can be handled in such a way that minimizes these risks... like Serk's  just the feds requiring all states honor each other's licenses, just like we currently have for driver's licenses.     And this should involve the privileges and immunities clause of the US Const. 

I'll take it if I get it, but I still worry about it.  I have some 32 state reciprocity already.
 

[Oss]

MY TAKE is militia is a state or lower level thing
predating the federal government entirely

So in my perfect world the feds should not be involved

But  how to have a 50 state concealed carry w/o the feds that is the big question

[Serk]

Of course, the easiest way would be to just enforce the 2nd amendment as written...

"the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

To me "bearing arms" should include concealed carry...

But I'm just kinda simple minded I guess...

[Jess from VA]

Of course, the easiest way would be to just enforce the 2nd amendment as written...

"the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

To me "bearing arms" should include concealed carry...

But I'm just kinda simple minded I guess...

Of course you're absolutely right.

What the gun grabbers/libs don't understand, and what angers guns owners about any new gun laws (not specifically aimed at criminals.... PS there aren't any)(and we already have 10K gun laws as it is) is that we have already lost around 1/3 or more of the 2d amendment since the 1934 National Firearms Act.... much of which we can not realistically ever hope to recover (not that we should not keep trying, esp with a few good new SCOTUS justices).  

So every time they come back and talk about common sense additional limitations and compromise, we reply that there are NO REASONABLE LIMITATIONS LEFT TO GIVE UP (or additional compromise).... PERIOD.

Has anybody noted what the CA voters did with their 2d amendment?  Background checks on ammunition.  The fools and idiots voted to give up their rights.  Plus many more limitations and restrictions, with a whole series of technical grandfather clauses... you practically need to be a lawyer just to understand them and stay out of trouble.  Which is the whole idea.

Given CA's consistent anti gun climate and D majorities, the NRA ILA and other pro gun organizations are not making CA a front line of 2d A litigation; limited funds and resources are better spent in more deserving states.   

CA is talking secession.  I say let them go, minus all the good red counties in eastern CA.  The part that secedes is nicely all west of the San Andreas fault and with any luck they can secede by earthquake.  And good riddance to bad garbage.

[gordonv]

CA is talking secession.  I say let them go, minus all the good red counties in eastern CA.  The part that secedes is nicely all west of the San Andreas fault and with any luck they can secede by earthquake.  And good riddance to bad garbage.

And if they where to secede, where would they get their water from?

The US wants the fresh water from our rivers that go to the ocean (and keeps our Fisheries going), but we won't dam the rivers and divert the water south.

CA already screwed us out of Millions of $'s for electricity, that they didn't pay their bill on. Why would another state want to sell them water, and have them not pay their bill.