Post election opinion

[Jersey mike]

First I need to say I was wrong regarding the outcome of the election. About a week ago I replied in a thread somewhere where I stated I thought the election was over, meaning Clinton had it.

I stayed up election night to see everything to the end finally closing my eyes somewhere around 4:30-5am only to get up at 6. By the time I got home yesterday I was too wiped out to post but I did try to read through the post election topics here but just could not gather my thoughts enough to reply to any.

One of the biggest things I have taken away from this election is I hope this can open the door for a 3rd party to come to the table. Trump basically came into this as an Independent and proved an outsider can accomplish something. I would hope this will somehow enable real, viable 3rd Party candidates (preferably from the Libertarian Party) to be included in Presidential debates to get their voices heard. It's time to continue to think outside the 2 main choices.

I have to say the Investors Business Daily (IBD) poll did get it right on the outcome of the election.

http://www.investors.com/politics/ibd-tipp-presidential-election-poll/

I believe the tipping point of how much people from all areas were willing to stomach came to an end. The "Don't Tread on Me" belief has finally been heard once again.

I'm not going to comment on the protests except it's their right although a little weird and misguided with tones of hypocrisy of not accepting the election results they demanded from Trump.

Finally I have to say now it's time to see what happens. How true to his campaign will he be. He's not President yet so we have to wait fro January to begin his term and by spring we can get a good gauge on where we are headed.


God Bless America, land that I love.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEJo7x9y3D4

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First I need to say I was wrong regarding the outcome of the election. About a week ago I replied in a thread somewhere where I stated I thought the election was over, meaning Clinton had it.

I stayed up election night to see everything to the end finally closing my eyes somewhere around 4:30-5am only to get up at 6. By the time I got home yesterday I was too wiped out to post but I did try to read through the post election topics here but just could not gather my thoughts enough to reply to any.

One of the biggest things I have taken away from this election is I hope this can open the door for a 3rd party to come to the table. Trump basically came into this as an Independent and proved an outsider can accomplish something. I would hope this will somehow enable real, viable 3rd Party candidates (preferably from the Libertarian Party) to be included in Presidential debates to get their voices heard. It's time to continue to think outside the 2 main choices.

I have to say the Investors Business Daily (IBD) poll did get it right on the outcome of the election.

http://www.investors.com/politics/ibd-tipp-presidential-election-poll/

I believe the tipping point of how much people from all areas were willing to stomach came to an end. The "Don't Tread on Me" belief has finally been heard once again.

I'm not going to comment on the protests except it's their right although a little weird and misguided with tones of hypocrisy of not accepting the election results they demanded from Trump.

Finally I have to say now it's time to see what happens. How true to his campaign will he be. He's not President yet so we have to wait fro January to begin his term and by spring we can get a good gauge on where we are headed.


God Bless America, land that I love.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEJo7x9y3D4

Well written.

Shame that others can't be so magnanimous.

[Moonshot_1]

The folks who are looking for 3rd party Presidential candidacies to somehow gain a foothold in American politics are missing the forest for the trees.

Congress makes the laws. Unless you take the time, and it would be years and many election cycles, to establish the specific 3rd party in the Legislative body, and they don't have to be in a majority capacity, but enough to leverage legislation, a 3rd Party Presidential prospect doesn't stand a chance at winning and even if he or she does win will have a less than successful Presidency.

It won't be successful because the Congress will pass no laws, or pursue any initiatives that would possibly support that 3rd Party President.

Governing this Country is a team sport.
If Gary Johnson had won, what kind of support would he get from Congress?
None. Virtually all of President Johnson's positions would likely be a non-starter in Congress.
He could not accomplish anything you voted for him to do.

The first major move for a viable 3rd party isn't the Presidency. It is to have the ability and means to leverage Legislation in Congress. The rest follows.

[Varmintmist]

I believe the tipping point of how much people from all areas were willing to stomach came to an end. The "Don't Tread on Me" belief has finally been heard once again.

From what I saw, being in a battleground state, you are dead on. If the election had been held 8 Oct, we would have Pres Hillary. She was ahead in the polls by 6-8% in PA. Historically, a R needs to be ahead by 5 in the polls to win here on a statewide election. I bet it is the same in the other rust belt states. If you paid attention to what was happening  starting 2.5 weeks pre 8 Nov, Trump stayed on message and didnt gaff himself in the mouth. Hillary had; 650000 more emails show up The FBI in a week said there is nothing to see and she gets ANOTHER pass.  For ref, the state dept said it needed 8 months to look through 33000. Obamacare that was supposed to cover more people and keep the price down doesnt work, and the bill just went up. Hillary started pushing for free college while people are looking at that bill and are getting fed up with the FSA because you cant milk a cow that isnt getting fed, and there has been anemic at best growth for a long time.

[Jersey mike]

The folks who are looking for 3rd party Presidential candidacies to somehow gain a foothold in American politics are missing the forest for the trees.

Congress makes the laws. Unless you take the time, and it would be years and many election cycles, to establish the specific 3rd party in the Legislative body, and they don't have to be in a majority capacity, but enough to leverage legislation, a 3rd Party Presidential prospect doesn't stand a chance at winning and even if he or she does win will have a less than successful Presidency.

It won't be successful because the Congress will pass no laws, or pursue any initiatives that would possibly support that 3rd Party President.

Governing this Country is a team sport.
If Gary Johnson had won, what kind of support would he get from Congress?
None. Virtually all of President Johnson's positions would likely be a non-starter in Congress.
He could not accomplish anything you voted for him to do.

The first major move for a viable 3rd party isn't the Presidency. It is to have the ability and means to leverage Legislation in Congress. The rest follows.

I agree with what you've said for the most part. Getting a movement behind a 3rd party is a grassroots program which needs to snowball to gain attention. For example the Libertarian party is one of those topics where people say "I've heard of them but don't know who they are or what they stand for" and another is "are they Liberals?".

What I suggested was a hope for the future, to get past this 2 Party stranglehold that has the control. Other voices, opinions and options should be available to the people. Look at it from a sports perspective. There's the regular season and post season where everything comes to the playoffs and a winner emerges but at least all teams have the chance to get to the postseason. We have become too diverse and populated to only have the 2 choices after primaries are over all the while some good choices go unheard.

I'm more happy Clinton lost than I am Trump won, but I am anxious to see what his term will bring. I'm hoping it's going to be close to what he outlined in his campaign.

[Valker]

I tend to vote Libertarian, but Johnson is NOT a Libertarian, so I refused to vote for him.