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Robert
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« on: November 15, 2016, 09:41:21 AM »

At this point Obama is fighting the American people to preserve what he thinks should be. I have never heard of any president doing this, fighting against a incoming president.

Fight looms between 'fired up' Obama and Trump over regulatory rollback

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/15/fight-looms-between-fired-up-obama-and-trump-over-reg-roll-back.html

A “fired up” President Obama vowed Monday that Donald Trump will find it’s not so “easy” to roll back his myriad regulatory policies, previewing a long fight ahead between his allies and majority Republicans taking control next year.

President-elect Trump has vowed to repeal and replace ObamaCare, while canceling “every unconstitutional executive action, memorandum and order issued by President Obama.”


Obama says he's not responsible for Trump's rise to power
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« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2016, 09:46:14 AM »

Imagine that ? We see it completely different . I think they have both been gracious and complimentary of each other. Some prefer to see things their way I suppose.  ???
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« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2016, 09:49:58 AM »

Imagine that ? We see it completely different . I think they have both been gracious and complimentary of each other. Some prefer to see things their way I suppose.  ???
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Robert
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« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2016, 10:10:54 AM »

We see Obama again dividing the US and Congress and putting landmines in so that Trump will have a harder time of things. He doesn't give a dam that the American people pretty much gave him the boot as long as his personal agenda survives. The only good thing is when there is a problem we can legitimately say it was Obama's fault.

Meathead it wouldn't be the first time you were wrong, in fact its in keeping with your track record.
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« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2016, 10:15:09 AM »

Remember what Trump has told interviewers time and again, " you never tell the enemy what your plan is". Just saying. I think President elect Trump is "playing nice". Jan 21 should be very interesting.
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« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2016, 10:46:06 AM »

Trump is on record saying that NATO is obsolete and doesn't work.

Obama says the best thing he can do is to alleviate any angst other countries may have by telling them Trump is on board with NATO.

 Cheesy

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« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2016, 11:13:51 AM »

We see Obama again dividing the US and Congress and putting landmines in so that Trump will have a harder time of things. He doesn't give a dam that the American people pretty much gave him the boot as long as his personal agenda survives. The only good thing is when there is a problem we can legitimately say it was Obama's fault.

Meathead it wouldn't be the first time you were wrong, in fact its in keeping with your track record.
Well then, show a quote that Obama has made since the election that is backing up your claim.
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Psychotic Bovine
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« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2016, 12:15:14 PM »

We see Obama again dividing the US and Congress and putting landmines in so that Trump will have a harder time of things. He doesn't give a dam that the American people pretty much gave him the boot as long as his personal agenda survives. The only good thing is when there is a problem we can legitimately say it was Obama's fault.

Meathead it wouldn't be the first time you were wrong, in fact its in keeping with your track record.
Well then, show a quote that Obama has made since the election that is backing up your claim.

This seems pretty divisive.

"You've seen some of the rhetoric among Republican elected officials and activists and media. Some of it pretty troubling and not necessarily connected to facts, but being used effectively to mobilize people," Obama said at a news conference alongside Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras. "And obviously, President-elect Trump tapped into that particular strain within the Republican Party and then was able to broaden that enough and get enough votes to win the election."

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« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2016, 01:04:24 PM »

We see Obama again dividing the US and Congress and putting landmines in so that Trump will have a harder time of things. He doesn't give a dam that the American people pretty much gave him the boot as long as his personal agenda survives. The only good thing is when there is a problem we can legitimately say it was Obama's fault.

Meathead it wouldn't be the first time you were wrong, in fact its in keeping with your track record.
Well then, show a quote that Obama has made since the election that is backing up your claim.

This seems pretty divisive.

"You've seen some of the rhetoric among Republican elected officials and activists and media. Some of it pretty troubling and not necessarily connected to facts, but being used effectively to mobilize people," Obama said at a news conference alongside Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras. "And obviously, President-elect Trump tapped into that particular strain within the Republican Party and then was able to broaden that enough and get enough votes to win the election."


Factual. He admitted he won the election fair and square. Do you want him to lie about things that have been said and done ?
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Psychotic Bovine
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« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2016, 01:14:18 PM »

We see Obama again dividing the US and Congress and putting landmines in so that Trump will have a harder time of things. He doesn't give a dam that the American people pretty much gave him the boot as long as his personal agenda survives. The only good thing is when there is a problem we can legitimately say it was Obama's fault.

Meathead it wouldn't be the first time you were wrong, in fact its in keeping with your track record.
Well then, show a quote that Obama has made since the election that is backing up your claim.

This seems pretty divisive.

"You've seen some of the rhetoric among Republican elected officials and activists and media. Some of it pretty troubling and not necessarily connected to facts, but being used effectively to mobilize people," Obama said at a news conference alongside Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras. "And obviously, President-elect Trump tapped into that particular strain within the Republican Party and then was able to broaden that enough and get enough votes to win the election."


Factual. He admitted he won the election fair and square. Do you want him to lie about things that have been said and done ?

With all do respect, you asked for a quote that showed he was being divisive.  I offered this quote.  Don't ask the question if you don't want the answer.

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« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2016, 02:35:31 PM »

We see Obama again dividing the US and Congress and putting landmines in so that Trump will have a harder time of things. He doesn't give a dam that the American people pretty much gave him the boot as long as his personal agenda survives. The only good thing is when there is a problem we can legitimately say it was Obama's fault.

Meathead it wouldn't be the first time you were wrong, in fact its in keeping with your track record.
Well then, show a quote that Obama has made since the election that is backing up your claim.

This seems pretty divisive.

"You've seen some of the rhetoric among Republican elected officials and activists and media. Some of it pretty troubling and not necessarily connected to facts, but being used effectively to mobilize people," Obama said at a news conference alongside Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras. "And obviously, President-elect Trump tapped into that particular strain within the Republican Party and then was able to broaden that enough and get enough votes to win the election."


Factual. He admitted he won the election fair and square. Do you want him to lie about things that have been said and done ?

With all do respect, you asked for a quote that showed he was being divisive.  I offered this quote.  Don't ask the question if you don't want the answer.



A fact is a fact is a fact....do you deny the truth in his statement?
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« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2016, 03:48:15 PM »

A fact is a fact is a fact....do you deny the truth in his statement?

I do.

Some folks, present company not excepted, seem to think a fact is however they have accepted or speculated as to why something happened.  Those are not facts.  Facts are such things as the number of feet in the height of a particular mountain or the rate of speed of a vehicle at a particular moment in time.  Facts can include whether a person killed or assaulted another person.  Facts cannot include why that someone did those things.  That would be analytical opinion or possibly even speculation.  
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« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2016, 07:48:48 AM »

as most think I think anyways,  I find Trump will have a very tough time getting his way in all that he wants done his way.  Reason being is he is not a politician and in his mind expects to get HIS way like he has done in his businesses. 

Politicians lie thru their teeth to either get their way or to be non-chalant agreeing for the greater good, or so they think at the time. 

Trump needs to polish his political ways and persuade others in political office for the greater good.  Sure hope it happens to some degree anyways for this country is in turmoil right now.

As far as Obummercare,  depends on who you ask apparently.  I know one person on it and says he does not mind it has been good to him.  Others say just the opposite.  I have no comments on that system since not on it but if our insurance keeps going up and up and up (not obummercare),  something has to change to keep rates affordable to the average working family to afford.

If I was on Obummercare and forced to take it against my will since too expensive to afford,  then that is wrong in my eyes as well.  No ONE should be forced to take insurance if they do not need nor can afford it.
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« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2016, 08:47:17 AM »

as most think I think anyways,  I find Trump will have a very tough time getting his way in all that he wants done his way.  Reason being is he is not a politician and in his mind expects to get HIS way like he has done in his businesses. 

Politicians lie thru their teeth to either get their way or to be non-chalant agreeing for the greater good, or so they think at the time. 

Trump needs to polish his political ways and persuade others in political office for the greater good.  Sure hope it happens to some degree anyways for this country is in turmoil right now.

As far as Obummercare,  depends on who you ask apparently.  I know one person on it and says he does not mind it has been good to him.  Others say just the opposite.  I have no comments on that system since not on it but if our insurance keeps going up and up and up (not obummercare),  something has to change to keep rates affordable to the average working family to afford.

If I was on Obummercare and forced to take it against my will since too expensive to afford,  then that is wrong in my eyes as well.  No ONE should be forced to take insurance if they do not need nor can afford it.

Like you, I do believe that Pres. Trump will have a tough time. But then, most Presidents do.
I do believe that Trump does not need to "polish his Political ways" but to stay largely himself.
The establishment politicians are about to see what a motivated, powerful, President can do with the Twitter account from Hell.
I believe we will see him use it to shape public opinion on important legislation and policies and the establishment in Washington will reel in horror at his proficiency of its use.

Trump wants to get the word out to the folks? Tweets his message to millions. Each view it as a personal message to them. This is how he plans to get his message out. Get on Twitter and shape public opinion. Kinda how he's been doing it.

As to Obamacare. If you have 10 people on a crashing plane and only one person with a parachute you'll easily find one good opinion on the situation.

Obamacare is unsustainable. It is obviously "crashing" and the folks with the parachutes are not complaining. Putting this under the purview of the IRS should have raised a million red flags. Why would we want seeing a doctor be like the complexities of doing our taxes?

It will take a long time to extract this monstrosity from our economy and society. It is a tangled web of laws and regulations that are now part of the economy and society.

But it can and must be removed.


 
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