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« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2016, 06:39:37 AM » |
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“Some people see things that are and ask, Why? Some people dream of things that never were and ask, Why not? Some people have to go to work and don’t have time for all that.”
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« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2016, 06:43:23 AM » |
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I thought you'd like that.... |
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« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2016, 06:51:31 AM » |
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I would think he's been "given some info" on them which shows it would probably cost close to $Billions$ to try and prosecute.
Info from who and what type of info is another question, but *maybe* it would be best to let sleeping dogs lie.
Even though I would love to see her and Bill drawn and quartered for everything they've done, he's looking to move forward so I hope this decision will simmer down some people although other will see it as failing to keep a campaign "promise".
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« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2016, 07:22:28 AM » |
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Maybe it's just a little blue lie.Anyway someone else can go after her.
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« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2016, 07:25:39 AM » |
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If Trump manages to do half of what he wants, he will be too busy to go after what is now 'small potatoes" Smart move. Let the Republican Senate and the House do the work. I'm sure that Trey Gowdy will approve.  |
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« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2016, 07:25:54 AM » |
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How many times has he said that he would never broadcast to the enemy regarding his plans. There's already a movement trying to get Obama to give Clinton a blanket pardon, and maybe this is nothing but a bluff in order to prevent just that.
Just a thought!
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« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2016, 07:59:51 AM » |
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It was announced today in the news that he stated he is not going after her. Lets just move on and let it lie,, no pun intended
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« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2016, 08:29:52 AM » |
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Multiple people given immunity, Multiple people pleading the 5th many times each, Many people including the primary answering with "I don't remember." "I can't recall." A private meeting on a plane. The FBI doesn't see intent, therefore Attny Gnrl doesn't do her job.
And now the president should pardon her? For what? Whatever might show up in the future? ? ?
Did she do something wrong, or not?
If she did, prosecute, present the truth to the people.
If she didn't, don't prosecute and present the truth to the people.
AND DON"T LET HER LIE ! ! !.. Make her sign something stating that any lie will be considered obstruction of justice (or something) and WILL BE PUNISHABLE by a certain amount of days in jail. PERIOD. No more lies.
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« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2016, 08:47:33 AM » |
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Obama cannot pardon her since no charges have been brought, let alone convicted of anything.
Can't get out of jail free, since she's never been there.
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« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2016, 08:57:23 AM » |
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Obama cannot pardon her since no charges have been brought, let alone convicted of anything.
Can't get out of jail free, since she's never been there.
Yes he can. The president can issue a universal pardon even if someone hasn't been indicted. This was decided by the Ex parte Garland case before the SCOTUS in 1866... (This particular case was in regards to the War of Northern Aggression, but it still applies - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_parte_Garland ) Ford's pardon of Nixon was granted in this way for any crimes he "might have committed while president." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon_of_Richard_Nixon |
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« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2016, 09:03:04 AM » |
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I'm all for not pursuing paths that will further divide the American people and have little chance of success. I believe she did wrong. I believe she and her husband are likely guilty of crimes. The chances of proving those crimes in court are not that good.
I really would hate to see an ex-President prosecuted. I don't like what it would do to the country.
Richard Nixon, incidentally, had not been charged with the crimes of which he was pardoned. It was a blanket pardon.
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« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2016, 11:22:52 AM » |
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There’s more here than just punishing the guilty, without a full, unbiased investigation, we will never know the extent of the damage and what counter actions required.
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« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2016, 11:41:53 AM » |
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I'm going to have to give my HDD a scrub now...
Like with a cloth or something?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Rha6Wamfp0 |
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« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2016, 02:34:14 PM » |
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For years now we have let politicians get away with lying, cheating, stealing and other crimes.
They will not change their ways until we hold them accountable, each and every one, each and every time.
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« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2016, 02:50:38 PM » |
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I think Trump should still go after her. Who cares if Bill is an ex president, that should not make him above the law. Each and every crime they commited should be investigated and held accountable for their actions. It will only show that america will not stand for this "I'm above the law" attitude.
Willow, I find it amazing you are willing to let her slide free and clear for the things she is suspected to have done.
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« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2016, 03:09:05 PM » |
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If in remember correctly the Ken Starr White Water investigation cost close to $100M and that was how many years ago?
Now just imagine all the manpower that would be necessary to even get close enough to bring anything to a grand jury, then IF it proceeds to trial, how many years and how much would the cost be?
The number of postponements would be crazy not to mention how many would end up either committing suicide or pleading the 5th.
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« Reply #18 on: November 22, 2016, 04:05:46 PM » |
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If in remember correctly the Ken Starr White Water investigation cost close to $100M and that was how many years ago?
Now just imagine all the manpower that would be necessary to even get close enough to bring anything to a grand jury, then IF it proceeds to trial, how many years and how much would the cost be?
The number of postponements would be crazy not to mention how many would end up either committing suicide or pleading the 5th.
Excellent example.....What did all that effort and $$$$ get? |
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« Reply #19 on: November 22, 2016, 04:14:33 PM » |
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Willow, I find it amazing you are willing to let her slide free and clear for the things she is suspected to have done.
It's not so much that I'm willing to let her slide but that I see the chance of convicting her as highly improbable and I see the negative impact on a very closely divided American populace as highly probable. She's a seventy year old woman with diminishing health. Time has a way of taking care of some things. Of the things she (or they) are suspected of doing, if there were a good chance of proving that they had someone killed I would be in favor of pursuing that. It would have to be a strong chance of success. |
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« Reply #20 on: November 22, 2016, 04:35:33 PM » |
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If in remember correctly the Ken Starr White Water investigation cost close to $100M and that was how many years ago?
Now just imagine all the manpower that would be necessary to even get close enough to bring anything to a grand jury, then IF it proceeds to trial, how many years and how much would the cost be?
The number of postponements would be crazy not to mention how many would end up either committing suicide or pleading the 5th.
Excellent example.....What did all that effort and $$$$ get? It didn't get us crapola. I didn't use it as an example of her innocence, I used it as an example of the layers of the wall which the Clintons have been able to build around themselves. They're better than the Mafia ever was. Too bad Martin Scorese won't make a movie about them. |
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« Reply #21 on: November 22, 2016, 05:43:46 PM » |
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If in remember correctly the Ken Starr White Water investigation cost close to $100M and that was how many years ago?
Now just imagine all the manpower that would be necessary to even get close enough to bring anything to a grand jury, then IF it proceeds to trial, how many years and how much would the cost be?
The number of postponements would be crazy not to mention how many would end up either committing suicide or pleading the 5th.
Excellent example.....What did all that effort and $$$$ get? It didn't get us crapola. I didn't use it as an example of her innocence, I used it as an example of the layers of the wall which the Clintons have been able to build around themselves. They're better than the Mafia ever was. Too bad Martin Scorese won't make a movie about them. I don't suppose it could be that Kenneth Starr tried to make something out of nothing? And didn't he just get canned from some cushy university job? Speaks to his character. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ken-starr-bill-clinton-nemesis-ousted-baylor-president-amid-school-n581011 |
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« Reply #22 on: November 22, 2016, 05:59:31 PM » |
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If in remember correctly the Ken Starr White Water investigation cost close to $100M and that was how many years ago?
Now just imagine all the manpower that would be necessary to even get close enough to bring anything to a grand jury, then IF it proceeds to trial, how many years and how much would the cost be?
The number of postponements would be crazy not to mention how many would end up either committing suicide or pleading the 5th.
Excellent example.....What did all that effort and $$$$ get? It didn't get us crapola. I didn't use it as an example of her innocence, I used it as an example of the layers of the wall which the Clintons have been able to build around themselves. They're better than the Mafia ever was. Too bad Martin Scorese won't make a movie about them. I don't suppose it could be that Kenneth Starr tried to make something out of nothing? And didn't he just get canned from some cushy university job? Speaks to his character. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ken-starr-bill-clinton-nemesis-ousted-baylor-president-amid-school-n581011If we could build a boarder wall around the US the way the Clinton's have built to protect themselves the country would be secure for hundreds of years. |
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« Reply #23 on: November 22, 2016, 06:57:15 PM » |
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For right now it is probably a good move. Although tweets from NYTimes reporters today seemed to be some hymn haw going on in that it was not totally ruled out, whatever that means. Donalds immediate agenda is the most aggressive of any President I ever remember during my life time, that is the immediate agenda before being sworn in.
It is best not to pollute the water, use the political capital he has and concentrate on the big picture and not get bogged down in this mess.
That being said the FBI currently has two ongoing investigations into the C's foundation. It is not up to the President to interfere in this. Should in months to come or couple of years they take their case to the DOJ and have a Grand Jury convened, and recommend indictment, well that would be a game changer. Either his DOJ prosecutes or he pardons. My guess is that O will pardon within the two months left and all will be mute. Should O not pardon - now that would be some kind of statement would it not.
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