Saved another bikers life the other day.

[gregk]

Shot one of them Forrest rats the kind that have the horny things that can get caught in your spokes. Nice 8 pointer with a 25-06. Have multiple choice weapons for use. The other long range is a 270wsm. My 308s only good fer 325yds then they start dropping to fast. Shot a lot of deer in my life an actually most were with a shotgun.

[Gavin_Sons]

Thanks for your contribution. I got 2 the other day with the .243 at 250 yards. Dropped the biggest one in her tracks and the smaller one stood and looked at her and ran 10 yards and fell over. This is the first year Indiana has allowed 243 and 30 calibers to be used. All of my other deer were either taken with a shotgun or 44 mag.

[..]

Thank you for your contribution to safer roads.

[old2soon]

Sooooooooooooooooooo How MANY more to go??  I'm with Paul though-Thankee kindly fer the contribution of the ones y'all deaded!  RIDE SAFE.

[cookiedough]

good to know if up in chippewa falls area there in one less forest rats there to hit my vehicle.  Congrats on the score.

Here in WI in our counties, it has been legal for many years to finally use a rifle thank god.  For a very long time prior though,  only shotgun (or muzzleloader) could be used and that sucks since much past 100 yards and the shotgun is like throwing a brick at them not very accurate.  I guess if I practiced a shotgun at 150-200 yards more often I might be able to help judge the drop in the slug better though?

One shot muzzleloader is not for me.  One year my brother brought his muzzleloader vs. 6 shot shotgun and told him to NOT do it.  Well, when I winged in the front shoulder/leg a HUGE buck about 90 yards off in the woods (I did get the doe just standing behind the buck in one shot though right after since the big buck dropped quickly thinking I got it, shot the doe dropped as well, but the darn stubborn buck after downing the doe got back up and started running away much to my surprise), it came hobbling mid-speed still right in front of him 10 yards away or so.  I yelled SHOOT since saw it all and he fired a puff of smoke and hit a fricking 2 inch sapling tree cutting it in two missing the HUGE buck.  Since I could no longer shoot some 120 yards away since my brother was in the line of fire and he was unable to get another round loaded, it ran into the next woods and BANG,  the neighbors got it instead.  If my brother had a shotgun, more than likely we would have gotten it.  Told him to skip the muzzleloader next time and throw his knife or hatchet at it was close enough for sure attempt it...  

[GiG]

Spokes?  

[old2soon]

Spokes?  

      Lotsa folks I ride P G R with Still got spokes. Olde school and like that!  RIDE SAFE.

[GiG]

Yeah, I just remembered I have several bikes just laying round what got spokes on em.
Guess they are laying around for a reason. Never was crazy bout cleaning between them spokes, tightening, balancing them, not to mention tubes  
I must be equate spokes with having to set the points in order to get home. In the dark. With a nail file. Been there, ain't goin back.
Nice to hear bout the forest rat reductions though.
How far those long range rifles reach anyhow?

[cookiedough]

yah,  what is the .25-06 all about in caliber and performance, etc.??

.243, .270 and .30-06 or .308 being more the normal calibers around me.

[Jess from VA]

The .25-06 Remington had been a wildcat cartridge for half a century before being standardized by Remington in 1969. It is based on the .30-06 Springfield cartridge necked-down (case opening made narrower) to .257  caliber with no other changes. Nominal bullet diameter is 0.257 inches (6.53 mm) and bullet weights range from 75 to 120 grains (4.9 to 7.8 g).

High speed, low drag.

[Gavin_Sons]

Yeah, I just remembered I have several bikes just laying round what got spokes on em.
Guess they are laying around for a reason. Never was crazy bout cleaning between them spokes, tightening, balancing them, not to mention tubes  
I must be equate spokes with having to set the points in order to get home. In the dark. With a nail file. Been there, ain't goin back.
Nice to hear bout the forest rat reductions though.
How far those long range rifles reach anyhow?

I have shot my 243 out to 600 yards accurately. I was holding 2" groups at that range. Past 400 yards the bullet loses energy and begins to drop dramatically. I would not shoot a deer past 400 yards. With a 300 Win Mag i would shoot one out to 600 yards easy. Heavier bullet more energy down range.

[Moonshot_1]

Shot one of them Forrest rats the kind that have the horny things that can get caught in your spokes. Nice 8 pointer with a 25-06. Have multiple choice weapons for use. The other long range is a 270wsm. My 308s only good fer 325yds then they start dropping to fast. Shot a lot of deer in my life an actually most were with a shotgun.

You are also saving the Planet! Reduce Deer Flatulence! Reduce Deer Flatulence! Reduce Deer Flatulence!

[Beardo]

Yeah, I just remembered I have several bikes just laying round what got spokes on em.
Guess they are laying around for a reason. Never was crazy bout cleaning between them spokes, tightening, balancing them, not to mention tubes  
I must be equate spokes with having to set the points in order to get home. In the dark. With a nail file. Been there, ain't goin back.
Nice to hear bout the forest rat reductions though.
How far those long range rifles reach anyhow?

I have shot my 243 out to 600 yards accurately. I was holding 2" groups at that range. Past 400 yards the bullet loses energy and begins to drop dramatically. I would not shoot a deer past 400 yards. With a 300 Win Mag i would shoot one out to 600 yards easy. Heavier bullet more energy down range.

   My longest shot with my .300WM was 687 yards. Through the heart. Passed through an stopped by the hide on the other side.

[gregk]

Got a 308 pistol an lever and taken two deer at right about 325. I will take my 308 any day.over a 30-06,as I see little difference in empoph,For the savings on powder, recoil, diff in tajactory an an killing power I'll take the 308( hope I don't open a can of worms), you know you can kill a deer with a 22.      For long range I'll take my 25-06 or the 270wsm. I prefer the 25-06 but on a windy day the 270wsm will cut the wind drift in half an that can be huge. I won the 270wsm I did not by it. If I had the moola I'd.rather like to try a 270stw now that's a animal.

[Master Blaster]

ok folks its time to man up.  Enough with the wimp stuff.  Back in the day I used a 300 Weatherby, that was back when Winchester came out with their 300 to try and compete.  Have shot moose with the Wby, and you see the spray on the offside when the bullet exits.  Actually too much for deer, but fun anyway.  Only problem these days is it is almost too expensive to shoot.  Gotta admit though I haven't been hunting for years, guess I just got too old.  Also like my 45-70's  that's also a great old round.

[JimmyG]

Well, I almost had a nice one the other day, but I am getting older now and could not quite gain enough to crook my finger......just a couple steps faster and I would have had him.

[The emperor has no clothes]

ok folks its time to man up.  Enough with the wimp stuff.  Back in the day I used a 300 Weatherby, that was back when Winchester came out with their 300 to try and compete.  Have shot moose with the Wby, and you see the spray on the offside when the bullet exits.  Actually too much for deer, but fun anyway.  Only problem these days is it is almost too expensive to shoot.  Gotta admit though I haven't been hunting for years, guess I just got too old.  Also like my 45-70's  that's also a great old round.

Probably the nicest gun I've owned for moose hunting was a Sako 338 mag. But I went in the Navy and sold it. I could shoot that gun well. My gun of choice now is the Browning BAR 338 mag.

[Rams]

Would like to take a second and thank all you deer slayers out there.

I sincerely do hope you gett'em all.

The only good deer is a dead deer (on the dinner table). 

[Gavin_Sons]

ok folks its time to man up.  Enough with the wimp stuff.  Back in the day I used a 300 Weatherby, that was back when Winchester came out with their 300 to try and compete.  Have shot moose with the Wby, and you see the spray on the offside when the bullet exits.  Actually too much for deer, but fun anyway.  Only problem these days is it is almost too expensive to shoot.  Gotta admit though I haven't been hunting for years, guess I just got too old.  Also like my 45-70's  that's also a great old round.

Probably the nicest gun I've owned for moose hunting was a Sako 338 mag. But I went in the Navy and sold it. I could shoot that gun well. My gun of choice now is the Browning BAR 338 mag.

I have been eying a 338 choas. Not much use here but would be a fun long range target rifle.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Yeah, I just remembered I have several bikes just laying round what got spokes on em.
Guess they are laying around for a reason. Never was crazy bout cleaning between them spokes, tightening, balancing them, not to mention tubes  
I must be equate spokes with having to set the points in order to get home. In the dark. With a nail file. Been there, ain't goin back.
Nice to hear bout the forest rat reductions though.
How far those long range rifles reach anyhow?

I have shot my 243 out to 600 yards accurately. I was holding 2" groups at that range. Past 400 yards the bullet loses energy and begins to drop dramatically. I would not shoot a deer past 400 yards. With a 300 Win Mag i would shoot one out to 600 yards easy. Heavier bullet more energy down range.

   My longest shot with my .300WM was 687 yards. Through the heart. Passed through an stopped by the hide on the other side.

Damn ! That's impressive.   I've shot caribou at 300 yards is about it for me. I was with my boss when he shot a Dall ram at 400 yards. But he was able to lay prone propped on a rock.

[The emperor has no clothes]

ok folks its time to man up.  Enough with the wimp stuff.  Back in the day I used a 300 Weatherby, that was back when Winchester came out with their 300 to try and compete.  Have shot moose with the Wby, and you see the spray on the offside when the bullet exits.  Actually too much for deer, but fun anyway.  Only problem these days is it is almost too expensive to shoot.  Gotta admit though I haven't been hunting for years, guess I just got too old.  Also like my 45-70's  that's also a great old round.

Probably the nicest gun I've owned for moose hunting was a Sako 338 mag. But I went in the Navy and sold it. I could shoot that gun well. My gun of choice now is the Browning BAR 338 mag.

I have been eying a 338 choas. Not much use here but would be a fun long range target rifle.

I've only used 250 grain bullets. Mostly for the knockdown power on a moose or God forbid a charging Grizzly. I don't know how they would do at long range.

[cookiedough]

The .25-06 Remington had been a wildcat cartridge for half a century before being standardized by Remington in 1969. It is based on the .30-06 Springfield cartridge necked-down (case opening made narrower) to .257  caliber with no other changes. Nominal bullet diameter is 0.257 inches (6.53 mm) and bullet weights range from 75 to 120 grains (4.9 to 7.8 g).

High speed, low drag.

sounds like an interesting cartridge guessing pretty similar to the .243 then, but maybe more energy and speed by a tad?

My uncle sweared by his .243 and a good flat shooting somewhat longer range rifle caliber as well.  It put plenty of holes, large holes, in deer much to my surprise.   I think, in general, the .308 my dad had put larger holes in deer than my .30-06 even. 

For those shooting accurately out to 600 yards,  I applaude you.  My limit is around 300 yards  with my .30-06.  Am sure if I practiced more knowing how far down the bullet drops much after that,  I could be somewhat accurate as well, but for sure not 2 inch groupings. 

[Gavin_Sons]

The .25-06 Remington had been a wildcat cartridge for half a century before being standardized by Remington in 1969. It is based on the .30-06 Springfield cartridge necked-down (case opening made narrower) to .257  caliber with no other changes. Nominal bullet diameter is 0.257 inches (6.53 mm) and bullet weights range from 75 to 120 grains (4.9 to 7.8 g).

High speed, low drag.

sounds like an interesting cartridge guessing pretty similar to the .243 then, but maybe more energy and speed by a tad?

My uncle sweared by his .243 and a good flat shooting somewhat longer range rifle caliber as well.  It put plenty of holes, large holes, in deer much to my surprise.   I think, in general, the .308 my dad had put larger holes in deer than my .30-06 even. 

For those shooting accurately out to 600 yards,  I applaude you.  My limit is around 300 yards  with my .30-06.  Am sure if I practiced more knowing how far down the bullet drops much after that,  I could be somewhat accurate as well, but for sure not 2 inch groupings. 

I know a guy that can hold 1 inch groups with his 338 laupa at 1500 yards. But he has been extensively trained by the military.

[0leman]

I hunted in Wyoming for 19 some odd years (lived there for 22 some odd years).  Only had one rifle.  Ruger 7mm mag.  with a 4 power scope.  Hand loaded rounds with 162 gr boat tail bullet.  Had heavy barrel, was around 11 lbs fully loaded.  I could, off sand bags, hold a minute group at 100 yards and a 6" group at 300 yards.   I had scope set so that I was 2" high at 100 yards and zero at 300. 

I was able to get 18 elk, more deer and antelope than I remember.  Never could draw a moose permit.  some shots were close some were at the 300 yd range.  Only needed one shot on all but two of the elk.   Shot one elk at 300 plus yards, broke a rib going in and two going out. 




Knew some that hunted elk with a 243, not many were good enough shot to bring down one with one shot.   It a good cartridge  for deer and antelope, I believe a bit small for elk and moose.

[Beardo]

I hunted in Wyoming for 19 some odd years (lived there for 22 some odd years).  Only had one rifle.  Ruger 7mm mag.  with a 4 power scope.  Hand loaded rounds with 162 gr boat tail bullet.  Had heavy barrel, was around 11 lbs fully loaded.  I could, off sand bags, hold a minute group at 100 yards and a 6" group at 300 yards.   I had scope set so that I was 2" high at 100 yards and zero at 300. 

I was able to get 18 elk, more deer and antelope than I remember.  Never could draw a moose permit.  some shots were close some were at the 300 yd range.  Only needed one shot on all but two of the elk.   Shot one elk at 300 plus yards, broke a rib going in and two going out. 




Knew some that hunted elk with a 243, not many were good enough shot to bring down one with one shot.   It a good cartridge  for deer and antelope, I believe a bit small for elk and moose.

Like many of you, we grew up with a rifle in our hands. When I was 12, my first deer was a broadside running shot at 400 yards. Took 2 shots, 1 in the heart, 1 in the lungs. Dad was impressed. It just came naturally, I guess. We never used range finders or anything of course, it was all by feel(just as we never owned a torque wrench on the farm...you learn the FEEL of doing something). It was years before I missed a shot. Then I went through a couple years where I couldn't hit the broadside of a barn.

Confidence is a huge thing in shooting. Also, taking your time and making the first shot count.  So my old man took away my beloved Ruger m77 in 30.06 and bought me a Ruger No 1 in 7mm Mag....single shot. While it can be reloaded quickly, it forces you to really focus on making 1 good shot.  It cured me. About 7 years ago, I got another Ruger No 1 in .300 WM, haven't missed a shot since. Love those guns. Heavy as hell so not a great bush gun, but with my 2.5-16x scope, it can really reach out there.  A lot of our shots here are open prairie, 3-400 yards is a common range but we can reach further if necessary.

[Cracker Jack]

The .25-06 Remington had been a wildcat cartridge for half a century before being standardized by Remington in 1969. It is based on the .30-06 Springfield cartridge necked-down (case opening made narrower) to .257  caliber with no other changes. Nominal bullet diameter is 0.257 inches (6.53 mm) and bullet weights range from 75 to 120 grains (4.9 to 7.8 g).

High speed, low drag.

sounds like an interesting cartridge guessing pretty similar to the .243 then, but maybe more energy and speed by a tad?

My uncle sweared by his .243 and a good flat shooting somewhat longer range rifle caliber as well.  It put plenty of holes, large holes, in deer much to my surprise.   I think, in general, the .308 my dad had put larger holes in deer than my .30-06 even. 

For those shooting accurately out to 600 yards,  I applaude you.  My limit is around 300 yards  with my .30-06.  Am sure if I practiced more knowing how far down the bullet drops much after that,  I could be somewhat accurate as well, but for sure not 2 inch groupings. 

I know a guy that can hold 1 inch groups with his 338 laupa at 1500 yards. But he has been extensively trained by the military.

I know a guy that can hold a 1/2 inch group at 5000 yards. His pistol was tuned by Attic Rat. (First liar doesn't have a chance).

[Gavin_Sons]

The .25-06 Remington had been a wildcat cartridge for half a century before being standardized by Remington in 1969. It is based on the .30-06 Springfield cartridge necked-down (case opening made narrower) to .257  caliber with no other changes. Nominal bullet diameter is 0.257 inches (6.53 mm) and bullet weights range from 75 to 120 grains (4.9 to 7.8 g).

High speed, low drag.

sounds like an interesting cartridge guessing pretty similar to the .243 then, but maybe more energy and speed by a tad?

My uncle sweared by his .243 and a good flat shooting somewhat longer range rifle caliber as well.  It put plenty of holes, large holes, in deer much to my surprise.   I think, in general, the .308 my dad had put larger holes in deer than my .30-06 even. 

For those shooting accurately out to 600 yards,  I applaude you.  My limit is around 300 yards  with my .30-06.  Am sure if I practiced more knowing how far down the bullet drops much after that,  I could be somewhat accurate as well, but for sure not 2 inch groupings. 

I know a guy that can hold 1 inch groups with his 338 laupa at 1500 yards. But he has been extensively trained by the military.

I know a guy that can hold a 1/2 inch group at 5000 yards. His pistol was tuned by Attic Rat. (First liar doesn't have a chance).

I assume you're calling me a liar?

[Cracker Jack]

The .25-06 Remington had been a wildcat cartridge for half a century before being standardized by Remington in 1969. It is based on the .30-06 Springfield cartridge necked-down (case opening made narrower) to .257  caliber with no other changes. Nominal bullet diameter is 0.257 inches (6.53 mm) and bullet weights range from 75 to 120 grains (4.9 to 7.8 g).

High speed, low drag.

sounds like an interesting cartridge guessing pretty similar to the .243 then, but maybe more energy and speed by a tad?

My uncle sweared by his .243 and a good flat shooting somewhat longer range rifle caliber as well.  It put plenty of holes, large holes, in deer much to my surprise.   I think, in general, the .308 my dad had put larger holes in deer than my .30-06 even. 

For those shooting accurately out to 600 yards,  I applaude you.  My limit is around 300 yards  with my .30-06.  Am sure if I practiced more knowing how far down the bullet drops much after that,  I could be somewhat accurate as well, but for sure not 2 inch groupings. 

I know a guy that can hold 1 inch groups with his 338 laupa at 1500 yards. But he has been extensively trained by the military.

I know a guy that can hold a 1/2 inch group at 5000 yards. His pistol was tuned by Attic Rat. (First liar doesn't have a chance).

I assume you're calling me a liar?

Certainly not! However, I do question the guy that claims a 1 inch group at over eight tenths of a mile. It would take an extremely  powerful telescope to even see the grouping.

I doubt it could happen with the gun held with a perfectly secure vise in a perfect vacuum to remove any wind effect thereby removing the chance of ANY marksman error. I don't believe there is a gun made that would be that accurate, projectile either. We're talking about an accuracy of .00002 of a degree variation in barrel direction.

I could be wrong and I apologize if you took it that I was calling you a liar.

[Gavin_Sons]

I have see it myself. How do you think snipers train? At 100 yards?  he uses a 24 x zoom scope by 60mm. This was not in a vise but laying on the ground with a bipod. 5 shot group that a half dollar nearly covered. Checking wimdage between every shot. He made several windage and elevation changes on his scope from the first shot to the 5th shot. It takes lots of training to get that good. I took a couple shots at the same range and hit the target both times but no group to speak of. It can be done and has been done. The longest sniper kill is 2,707 yards. TWICE!

[Beardo]

I have see it myself. How do you think snipers train? At 100 yards?  he uses a 24 x zoom scope by 60mm. This was not in a vise but laying on the ground with a bipod. 5 shot group that a half dollar nearly covered. Checking wimdage between every shot. He made several windage and elevation changes on his scope from the first shot to the 5th shot. It takes lots of training to get that good. I took a couple shots at the same range and hit the target both times but no group to speak of. It can be done and has been done. The longest sniper kill is 2,707 yards. TWICE!

Hard to believe, sure. Impossible, no. Us amateurs and average hunters can't imagine the practice and skills that are required to pull that off. The professionals are truely at a whole other level.

Similarly, you could take the most skilled and crazy peg scraper on this board and they'd finish miles and miles behind a pro on the Isle of Man.