Mormon Tabernacle Singer Quits Choir Over Trump Inauguration

[Robert]

I think that this has gone way to far and have to agree with CA about mental problems. The Rockets also declined a performing invite.


Mormon Tabernacle Singer Quits Choir Over Trump Inauguration

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/mormon-tabernacle-singer-quits-choir-over-trump-inauguration-w458429

"I only know I could never 'throw roses to Hitler.' And I certainly could never sing for him," Jan Chamberlin writes

"Looking from the outside in, it will appear that Choir is endorsing tyranny and facism by singing for this man," Jan Chamberlin, a five-year veteran of the choir, wrote to choir president Ron Jarrett in an email she also shared on Facebook, the Salt Lake City Tribune reports.

In addition to conflicts between her Christian faith and the incoming administration, especially toward its stance on refugees, Chamberlin cited other historical red flags that caused her to resign from the choir out of protest.

[FLAVALK]

Don't let the door hit you in the ass

[Serk]

I'm glad to see leftists are now okay with people refusing to do business with those they disagree with on principal.

Quick, someone go tell those Christian bakers that were driven out of business by the gay mafia it's safe for them to start their businesses back up!

[Willow]

Publicizing this is essentially offering these juveniles just what they were seeking.  Sort of like all the hoopla over the losing quarterback who chose to kneel during the national anthem. 

She hopes we can all just work together to solve our problems while she demonizes those who disagree with her as Hitlerites? 

The article clearly states that participation at the inauguration was limited to a subset of the Choir and would be on a voluntary basis but she chose to publicly resign from the Choir and spread her venom all over public media.

She expressed her concern for people who hold them up for what they stand for.  Most Americans have no concern for what they stand for.  They listen to and support them because they like the music they produce.

The article made another mistake.  It referred to her Christian beliefs.  Mormons are not Christians.  The Mormon Church was founded not as a Christian denomination but as a replacement for the Christian Church. 

[solo1]

Carl is absolutely right!  Plus the fact, maybe she should remove the plank from her own eye but she wouldn't know anything about Matthew 7, vs 3.

I think that Trump could easily settle for something better than  psuedo 'celebrities",  The US Marine Band would be a good start. 

[DirtyDan]

Don't let the door hit you in the ass

Pipefitting..... here's your money get the blank off the jobsite !

Dan

[Jess from VA]

I bet the choir is happy to see her go too.  I can't be sure, but bet there weren't many in the choir that voted for the Bitch.  Maybe she can get herself excommunicated. 

Like giving up a choir position is a big sacrifice.

I used to sing in the choir (concert & men's), and it was fun.   Not as fun as football, but way less tiring (and way more girls).

[baldo]

I bet the choir is happy to see her go too.  I can't be sure, but bet there weren't many in the choir that voted for the Bitch.  Maybe she can get herself excommunicated. 

Like giving up a choir position is a big sacrifice.

I used to sing in the choir (concert & men's), and it was fun.   Not as fun as football, but way less tiring (and way more girls).

Looks like she might have over 100 fellow choir members joining her......

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/petition-mormon-tabernacle-choir-trump-inauguration_us_5865b505e4b0de3a08f7ded4

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4075742/Mormons-launch-petition-trying-stop-Tabernacle-Choir-singing-Donald-Trump-s-inauguration-one-member-resigns-perform-ceremony.html

[old2soon]

Don't let the door hit you in the ass

                 Maybe as a suggestion she could git on the same mode of transportation the hollyweird turds that are SPOSED to leave are using?  Haven't heard anymore bout the mass exodus that SHOULD have taken place by now!  Far as the door not bangin dem in da ass on the way out-have "they" Even opened the door yet??  RIDE SAFE.

[EddyH]

That's OK. Let all the Cry Babies have their tantrums. The main thing is........Donald Trump is going to be the next President of the United States.  

[Wizzard]

Another snowflake has fallen 

[MP]

I bet the choir is happy to see her go too.  I can't be sure, but bet there weren't many in the choir that voted for the Bitch.  Maybe she can get herself excommunicated. 

Like giving up a choir position is a big sacrifice.

I used to sing in the choir (concert & men's), and it was fun.   Not as fun as football, but way less tiring (and way more girls).

Looks like she might have over 100 fellow choir members joining her......

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/petition-mormon-tabernacle-choir-trump-inauguration_us_5865b505e4b0de3a08f7ded4

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4075742/Mormons-launch-petition-trying-stop-Tabernacle-Choir-singing-Donald-Trump-s-inauguration-one-member-resigns-perform-ceremony.html

So, you are now fine with people refusing to  serve or do business with those they disagree with?  Please, go tell the bakers and the others who were put out of business by Liberals for just that.

[Alpha Dog]

 Ouch.   I think she just stuck her ass with that diaper pen Sgt. George Roof so eloquently spoke of.

[Pete]

Folks are permitted to be as stupid as they want. Including her.

I have no sympathy for her or her position.

[Romeo]

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

[bagelboy]

She could have just taken a knee..........

[Hooter]

I bet her leaving will change everything! I know I'm really bothered by it just like the rest posting here.   

[Robert]

I bet her leaving will change everything! I know I'm really bothered by it just like the rest posting here.   

I think what bothers me the most about this is exactly what others brought up here. Two good shop keepers lost their business ,livelihood and were sued at supposed discrimination. Yet we see here that the liberals dont know or accept the same standards. So why are the rights of one group, put above another? In all my life I have never seen people refuse to perform for a president regardless of political affiliation. To me its disgusting the supposed moral correctness on one side yet the inability to allow that same correctness to others.

[Wizzard]

Yeah,, the libs can refuse to perform, do business with anyone they want and its ok. But reverse that and its not ok.
And you have some will say,, oh that's different. If it was as it should be,, yes you can refuse to perform and it is your freedom to express it,, but it's also your freedom to not do business with someone regardless of why it is and not suffer repercussions for it. That is what Mike Pence tried to do in a law in Indiana a year ago and got hammered by the liberal media and the LGBT and their agenda.
Oh,, and look at NC. NBA and multiple organizations can refuse to do business there and its all ok. NOT
But let someone in NC refuse to bake a cake for a gay couple citing their religion and they will scream discrimination.
Its just all lopsided but there again,, you have some libs who will say,, "oh thats different"

[Former BMW Guy]

There's a hundred people waiting to take her place

[hubcapsc]

Publicizing this is essentially offering these juveniles just what they were seeking.  Sort of like all the hoopla over the losing quarterback who chose to kneel during the national anthem. 

She hopes we can all just work together to solve our problems while she demonizes those who disagree with her as Hitlerites? 

The article clearly states that participation at the inauguration was limited to a subset of the Choir and would be on a voluntary basis but she chose to publicly resign from the Choir and spread her venom all over public media.

She expressed her concern for people who hold them up for what they stand for.  Most Americans have no concern for what they stand for.  They listen to and support them because they like the music they produce.

The article made another mistake.  It referred to her Christian beliefs.  Mormons are not Christians.  The Mormon Church was founded not as a Christian denomination but as a replacement for the Christian Church. 

Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints unequivocally affirm themselves to be Christians.

https://www.lds.org/topics/christians?lang=eng

Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters.

Romans 14 (all of Romans 14, not just the first line...)

I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved.

John 10:9

The fundamental principles of our religion is the testimony of the apostles and prophets concerning Jesus Christ, ‘that he died, was buried, and rose again the third day, and ascended up into heaven;’ and all other things are only appendages to these, which pertain to our religion.

Joseph Smith

-Mike

[Fathertime]

Its such a shame, really, how this has all progressed to such a level.  Reading the comments on this thread show such a huge amount of contempt for a person, or people who have differing thoughts or ideals than others present or speaking out here.  There was a time during the founding of this great country were argument and debate was celebrated, even encouraged.  Those with the courage and backbone to do it stood up for what they believed in.  There were arguments, I'm sure over what was the right course but in the end, we honor those founding fathers who stood up and took a stand - not only emotionally but physically - for those principles they believed in.
Not so much today, it appears.
Your principles, your beliefs, your religion differs from mine, and so you must be wrong.   It has, somehow, become the sacred duty of opposers to convert the dissenters to their "mainstream" beliefs.  If logic fails to turn the tide then force becomes the select tool.  Attack, insult, repeat a party line over and over untill it becomes such a caphony of noise and sound that no other can be heard.  Follow others in the herd, insulting and condemming over and over.  Repeating past deeds (either real or imagined, mutually committed or alone by one party).
In the background, below the noise one thread continues.
You have no right to stand up for your beliefs, to vocalize them, to discuss them because.......
  (insert real or imagined transgression from the past here).
One can not have their "cake" and eat it also.  Because one person was prevented from selling a dumb cake does not prevent a second, unrelated, person for standing up for what they believe in. If you want to reconcile the two issues, you have two choices from what I can see:
1)  Continue to yammer on about how bad that person is, and bask in the glory of like minded people repeating back what you just said, but in slightly different words, learning and gaining nothing.
2)  Listen, no really listen, to an oppposing view.  I'm not saying that you have to change your frame of reference or point of view, but am suggesting that rather than dismissing out of hand the dialog you just take a second to listen ansd possibly learn something.

Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

[art]

That girl is lucky she doesn't have to deal with the likes of Hitler, She might find it too hot in the ovens. People never learn from history and some never even learn history.Comparing Trump to Hitler is so stupid. Maybe some Christian bakers will bake some cakes for the party.

[Fathertime]

That girl is lucky she doesn't have to deal with the likes of Hitler, She might find it too hot in the ovens. People never learn from history and some never even learn history.Comparing Trump to Hitler is so stupid. Maybe some Christian bakers will bake some cakes for the party.

Wow.
Hate much?

[Valker]

Its such a shame, really, how this has all progressed to such a level.  Reading the comments on this thread show such a huge amount of contempt for a person, or people who have differing thoughts or ideals than others present or speaking out here.  There was a time during the founding of this great country were argument and debate was celebrated, even encouraged.  Those with the courage and backbone to do it stood up for what they believed in.  There were arguments, I'm sure over what was the right course but in the end, we honor those founding fathers who stood up and took a stand - not only emotionally but physically - for those principles they believed in.
Not so much today, it appears.
Your principles, your beliefs, your religion differs from mine, and so you must be wrong.   It has, somehow, become the sacred duty of opposers to convert the dissenters to their "mainstream" beliefs.  If logic fails to turn the tide then force becomes the select tool.  Attack, insult, repeat a party line over and over untill it becomes such a caphony of noise and sound that no other can be heard.  Follow others in the herd, insulting and condemming over and over.  Repeating past deeds (either real or imagined, mutually committed or alone by one party).
In the background, below the noise one thread continues.
You have no right to stand up for your beliefs, to vocalize them, to discuss them because.......
  (insert real or imagined transgression from the past here).
One can not have their "cake" and eat it also.  Because one person was prevented from selling a dumb cake does not prevent a second, unrelated, person for standing up for what they believe in. If you want to reconcile the two issues, you have two choices from what I can see:
1)  Continue to yammer on about how bad that person is, and bask in the glory of like minded people repeating back what you just said, but in slightly different words, learning and gaining nothing.
2)  Listen, no really listen, to an oppposing view.  I'm not saying that you have to change your frame of reference or point of view, but am suggesting that rather than dismissing out of hand the dialog you just take a second to listen ansd possibly learn something.

Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

I don't think the anger and disgust is so much with these people and their decisions as much as with the double standard.

[Oss]

We are speaking and writing about someone who for personal reasons felt she could not perform at an inauguration  She should have just said she had anal flue, shut the hell up and not made her insignificant life a national item but she wanted her 15 minutes of fame

When she went national she became a public figure and therefore for better or worse she can be villified, extolled or ignored and there is not a thing she can do about it unless someone writes something blatantly false and knew or should have known it to be false

IMHO fathertime you missed the point of almost all the prior posters

Its ok for a liberal - which for a decade or more includes Democrats and Socialists and the LGBTQ community to behave in one manner, while it is hateful for Conservatives to behave the same way

This is what I mean when I say the Democratic party has left me and therefore I can not support its platforms or candidates

I suspect that personally if I were in the Choir I would have refused to participate in Obama's 2nd inauguration, while not a supporter in term 1 either I was still willing to respect the office of POTUS. That same respect is lacking in the woman in the choir (Jess I agree Choir rocked for getting cool girls in HS)

[Fathertime]

Its such a shame, really, how this has all progressed to such a level.  Reading the comments on this thread show such a huge amount of contempt for a person, or people who have differing thoughts or ideals than others present or speaking out here.  There was a time during the founding of this great country were argument and debate was celebrated, even encouraged.  Those with the courage and backbone to do it stood up for what they believed in.  There were arguments, I'm sure over what was the right course but in the end, we honor those founding fathers who stood up and took a stand - not only emotionally but physically - for those principles they believed in.
Not so much today, it appears.
Your principles, your beliefs, your religion differs from mine, and so you must be wrong.   It has, somehow, become the sacred duty of opposers to convert the dissenters to their "mainstream" beliefs.  If logic fails to turn the tide then force becomes the select tool.  Attack, insult, repeat a party line over and over untill it becomes such a caphony of noise and sound that no other can be heard.  Follow others in the herd, insulting and condemming over and over.  Repeating past deeds (either real or imagined, mutually committed or alone by one party).
In the background, below the noise one thread continues.
You have no right to stand up for your beliefs, to vocalize them, to discuss them because.......
  (insert real or imagined transgression from the past here).
One can not have their "cake" and eat it also.  Because one person was prevented from selling a dumb cake does not prevent a second, unrelated, person for standing up for what they believe in. If you want to reconcile the two issues, you have two choices from what I can see:
1)  Continue to yammer on about how bad that person is, and bask in the glory of like minded people repeating back what you just said, but in slightly different words, learning and gaining nothing.
2)  Listen, no really listen, to an oppposing view.  I'm not saying that you have to change your frame of reference or point of view, but am suggesting that rather than dismissing out of hand the dialog you just take a second to listen ansd possibly learn something.

Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

I don't think the anger and disgust is so much with these people and their decisions as much as with the double standard.

What double standard is that?

[Gavin_Sons]

Its such a shame, really, how this has all progressed to such a level.  Reading the comments on this thread show such a huge amount of contempt for a person, or people who have differing thoughts or ideals than others present or speaking out here.  There was a time during the founding of this great country were argument and debate was celebrated, even encouraged.  Those with the courage and backbone to do it stood up for what they believed in.  There were arguments, I'm sure over what was the right course but in the end, we honor those founding fathers who stood up and took a stand - not only emotionally but physically - for those principles they believed in.
Not so much today, it appears.
Your principles, your beliefs, your religion differs from mine, and so you must be wrong.   It has, somehow, become the sacred duty of opposers to convert the dissenters to their "mainstream" beliefs.  If logic fails to turn the tide then force becomes the select tool.  Attack, insult, repeat a party line over and over untill it becomes such a caphony of noise and sound that no other can be heard.  Follow others in the herd, insulting and condemming over and over.  Repeating past deeds (either real or imagined, mutually committed or alone by one party).
In the background, below the noise one thread continues.
You have no right to stand up for your beliefs, to vocalize them, to discuss them because.......
  (insert real or imagined transgression from the past here).
One can not have their "cake" and eat it also.  Because one person was prevented from selling a dumb cake does not prevent a second, unrelated, person for standing up for what they believe in. If you want to reconcile the two issues, you have two choices from what I can see:
1)  Continue to yammer on about how bad that person is, and bask in the glory of like minded people repeating back what you just said, but in slightly different words, learning and gaining nothing.
2)  Listen, no really listen, to an oppposing view.  I'm not saying that you have to change your frame of reference or point of view, but am suggesting that rather than dismissing out of hand the dialog you just take a second to listen ansd possibly learn something.

Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

I don't think the anger and disgust is so much with these people and their decisions as much as with the double standard.

What double standard is that?

You really don't see the double standard so many members here have (plain as day) pointed out?

[Bighead]

Its such a shame, really, how this has all progressed to such a level.  Reading the comments on this thread show such a huge amount of contempt for a person, or people who have differing thoughts or ideals than others present or speaking out here.  There was a time during the founding of this great country were argument and debate was celebrated, even encouraged.  Those with the courage and backbone to do it stood up for what they believed in.  There were arguments, I'm sure over what was the right course but in the end, we honor those founding fathers who stood up and took a stand - not only emotionally but physically - for those principles they believed in.
Not so much today, it appears.
Your principles, your beliefs, your religion differs from mine, and so you must be wrong.   It has, somehow, become the sacred duty of opposers to convert the dissenters to their "mainstream" beliefs.  If logic fails to turn the tide then force becomes the select tool.  Attack, insult, repeat a party line over and over untill it becomes such a caphony of noise and sound that no other can be heard.  Follow others in the herd, insulting and condemming over and over.  Repeating past deeds (either real or imagined, mutually committed or alone by one party).
In the background, below the noise one thread continues.
You have no right to stand up for your beliefs, to vocalize them, to discuss them because.......
  (insert real or imagined transgression from the past here).
One can not have their "cake" and eat it also.  Because one person was prevented from selling a dumb cake does not prevent a second, unrelated, person for standing up for what they believe in. If you want to reconcile the two issues, you have two choices from what I can see:
1)  Continue to yammer on about how bad that person is, and bask in the glory of like minded people repeating back what you just said, but in slightly different words, learning and gaining nothing.
2)  Listen, no really listen, to an oppposing view.  I'm not saying that you have to change your frame of reference or point of view, but am suggesting that rather than dismissing out of hand the dialog you just take a second to listen ansd possibly learn something.

Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

I don't think the anger and disgust is so much with these people and their decisions as much as with the double standard.

What double standard is that?

You really don't see the double standard so many members here have (plain as day) pointed out?

Gavin he is only 180* out

[Romeo]

Isn't it interesting how the folks on the left, who had absolutely no room for any opinions, on anything, that didn't fit with their values for the last eight years, are now clamoring for understanding and tolerance of differing views? Now that they've realized that a very large, mostly silent portion of the citizenry are diametrically opposed to their elitist beliefs, and have finally made their voices heard, the narrative on the left has become all about how intolerant and oppressive the new power base is. What a total crock. Anyone with eyes to see and ears to hear know who the intolerant deplorables are.

[old2soon]

Someone already mentioned this but the Glaring example that sticks out for me are the folks who lost their bakery business for refusing-on Religious and Moral grounds-to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple(s). I go back to retail business's posting signs that state-We reserve the Right to refuse service to Anyone. BUT the lgbtg community took it upon themselves to DEMAND that this was no longer the Right(s) of the business owner-refusing to do business with who the-business owner-saw fit to Not serve. Right after or during the time deception central brought all the queers outa the closet I believe the White House was bathed in the rainbow colors of the gay community. The "moral majority" I M H O became 2nd class citizens that day. Much of zeros agenda-depending on yer particular outlook-was either jammed down our collective throats or shoved up our collective kaka disposal tube(s). Make of THAT whatever strikes yer fancy!   RIDE SAFE.

[Bighead]

Someone already mentioned this but the Glaring example that sticks out for me are the folks who lost their bakery business for refusing-on Religious and Moral grounds-to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple(s). I go back to retail business's posting signs that state-We reserve the Right to refuse service to Anyone. BUT the lgbtg community took it upon themselves to DEMAND that this was no longer the Right(s) of the business owner-refusing to do business with who the-business owner-saw fit to Not serve. Right after or during the time deception central brought all the queers outa the closet I believe the White House was bathed in the rainbow colors of the gay community. The "moral majority" I M H O became 2nd class citizens that day. Much of zeros agenda-depending on yer particular outlook-was either jammed down our collective throats or shoved up our collective kaka disposal tube(s). Make of THAT whatever strikes yer fancy!   RIDE SAFE.

Yeah Dennis but that is TOTALLY different 

[Hook#3287]

"I believe the Federal government has grown out of control, threatening the Rights, Liberties, and Property of the People.
This is being done at the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial level. This is in direct opposition to the Constitution and the Founding Fathers vision for the Federal government.
Because I believe this, today I exercised my right as a Free Citizen, and did not visit the White House. This was not about politics or party, as in my opinion both parties are responsible for the situation we are in as a country. This was about a choice I had to make as an INDIVIDUAL.
This is the only public statement I will be making on this topic. "

Direct quote off Wikipedia from Tim Thomas, Stanley Cup winning Goaltender of the 2011 Boston Bruins on why he would not participate in the White House traditional victors' meet-and-greet with President Barack Obama in 2012.

Just as I respected his right to do this, I respect any Americans right to do likewise.

It's America, you have the right.

[cookiedough]

sort of reminds me of the arrogant and somewhat hot tempered guy at work who refused to get security checked by the security guards at work in mid-December thinking he is above the law.  He refused,  walked out into the parking lot, lit up a cigarette ON company grounds which is also illegal to do he knew that rule, but was so pissed off about getting security checked being random,  he got pissy and got his butt fired for doing BOTH with a temper am sure to boot even after being there 10 years.

I too being there 10 years have never been checked EVER in 10 years but have supposedly randomly been check 3 times in 2 weeks in December.  I frowned upon it after the 2nd time in one week on the 3rd time, but rules are rules I guess?

If you do not like rules,  then suffer the consequences or get fired I guess?  This Choir lady should have just kept her mouth shut and made up an excuse like she was sick not showing up in my opinion.  Sometimes saying too much is not a good thing.  

They even fired a near 20 year supervisor last year when this arrogant (would not trust him ever) person who just got fired reported the 20 year supervisor for pointing and turning on a cordless power drill with drill bit on and jokingly turned it on very close to this guy's crotch region.  NO joke,  him being full time supervisor just joking around should know better being a safety violation, but mgmt. is looking for all kinds of things to fire people the past year or so.   I guess payback is a bitch with this arrogant guy reporting the good long time supervisor for doing a stupid thing getting fired himself a few weeks ago.

[Bighead]

You only have the Right if it is ok in the Libs view in most cases.

[Fathertime]

Its such a shame, really, how this has all progressed to such a level.  Reading the comments on this thread show such a huge amount of contempt for a person, or people who have differing thoughts or ideals than others present or speaking out here.  There was a time during the founding of this great country were argument and debate was celebrated, even encouraged.  Those with the courage and backbone to do it stood up for what they believed in.  There were arguments, I'm sure over what was the right course but in the end, we honor those founding fathers who stood up and took a stand - not only emotionally but physically - for those principles they believed in.
Not so much today, it appears.
Your principles, your beliefs, your religion differs from mine, and so you must be wrong.   It has, somehow, become the sacred duty of opposers to convert the dissenters to their "mainstream" beliefs.  If logic fails to turn the tide then force becomes the select tool.  Attack, insult, repeat a party line over and over untill it becomes such a caphony of noise and sound that no other can be heard.  Follow others in the herd, insulting and condemming over and over.  Repeating past deeds (either real or imagined, mutually committed or alone by one party).
In the background, below the noise one thread continues.
You have no right to stand up for your beliefs, to vocalize them, to discuss them because.......
  (insert real or imagined transgression from the past here).
One can not have their "cake" and eat it also.  Because one person was prevented from selling a dumb cake does not prevent a second, unrelated, person for standing up for what they believe in. If you want to reconcile the two issues, you have two choices from what I can see:
1)  Continue to yammer on about how bad that person is, and bask in the glory of like minded people repeating back what you just said, but in slightly different words, learning and gaining nothing.
2)  Listen, no really listen, to an oppposing view.  I'm not saying that you have to change your frame of reference or point of view, but am suggesting that rather than dismissing out of hand the dialog you just take a second to listen ansd possibly learn something.

Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

I don't think the anger and disgust is so much with these people and their decisions as much as with the double standard.

What double standard is that?

You really don't see the double standard so many members here have (plain as day) pointed out?

I believe I was asking Valker for a specific answer.

[Fathertime]

Isn't it interesting how the folks on the left, who had absolutely no room for any opinions, on anything, that didn't fit with their values for the last eight years, are now clamoring for understanding and tolerance of differing views? Now that they've realized that a very large, mostly silent portion of the citizenry are diametrically opposed to their elitist beliefs, and have finally made their voices heard, the narrative on the left has become all about how intolerant and oppressive the new power base is. What a total crock. Anyone with eyes to see and ears to hear know who the intolerant deplorables are.

And, your lack of tolerance is different exactly how?

[Moonshot_1]

Its such a shame, really, how this has all progressed to such a level.  Reading the comments on this thread show such a huge amount of contempt for a person, or people who have differing thoughts or ideals than others present or speaking out here.  There was a time during the founding of this great country were argument and debate was celebrated, even encouraged.  Those with the courage and backbone to do it stood up for what they believed in.  There were arguments, I'm sure over what was the right course but in the end, we honor those founding fathers who stood up and took a stand - not only emotionally but physically - for those principles they believed in.
Not so much today, it appears.
Your principles, your beliefs, your religion differs from mine, and so you must be wrong.   It has, somehow, become the sacred duty of opposers to convert the dissenters to their "mainstream" beliefs.  If logic fails to turn the tide then force becomes the select tool.  Attack, insult, repeat a party line over and over untill it becomes such a caphony of noise and sound that no other can be heard.  Follow others in the herd, insulting and condemming over and over.  Repeating past deeds (either real or imagined, mutually committed or alone by one party).
In the background, below the noise one thread continues.
You have no right to stand up for your beliefs, to vocalize them, to discuss them because.......
  (insert real or imagined transgression from the past here).
One can not have their "cake" and eat it also.  Because one person was prevented from selling a dumb cake does not prevent a second, unrelated, person for standing up for what they believe in. If you want to reconcile the two issues, you have two choices from what I can see:
1)  Continue to yammer on about how bad that person is, and bask in the glory of like minded people repeating back what you just said, but in slightly different words, learning and gaining nothing.
2)  Listen, no really listen, to an oppposing view.  I'm not saying that you have to change your frame of reference or point of view, but am suggesting that rather than dismissing out of hand the dialog you just take a second to listen ansd possibly learn something.

Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Yes, perhaps listening is good thing.

If you had you would have discovered that the issue isn't about baking a cake, selling a cake or not selling a cake. The issue was and is about Religious persecution by the government for doing nothing more than not participating in something that is in opposition to one's religious beliefs.

Yet while the government apparently now can persecute you for your religious beliefs, Constitutionally protected beliefs mind you, and force you to participate in activities that you are opposed to and find abhorrent, and the government's basis for this is to "protect" people from specific discrimination and this is where the double standard enters.

Either discrimination is wrong or it is allowed.

The Government itself cannot discriminate in its practices (within reason. The blind cannot become fighter pilots or snipers and such)

But as far as I am concerned, we, as individuals, should be able to discriminate at our discretion with no government persecution or prosecution.

If a baker doesn't want to decorate a cake for a gay couple's wedding and the couple is upset, have their community boycott the bakery. Don't associate with them.

You discriminate at your social peril.

But the standard now is that the Government has stepped in to protect specific individuals from discrimination and not protect others.

If the Government can force a baker to decorate a cake for a gay wedding against their will then the Government better force people to do what I want too. No matter how offensive it may seem to them.

 

[Jess from VA]

And just to be clear, this bakery was privately owned, not a government entity (or funded).

There are different rules for private and public (G).   

[Alpha Dog]

And just to be clear, this bakery was privately owned, not a government entity (or funded).

There are different rules for private and public (G).   

And if it is the bakery I am thinking of in question there actually was no wedding for them to bake a cake.  It was a liberal reporter looking to stir up crap.  She went in and made the whole story about the wedding, knowing full well the bakery would refuse so she could write a story and have it get national exposure.  However this may not be the bakery in question, but the one I mentioned did happen in Indiana I believe.  A go fund me raised something like 750k for the folks to battle it.