Donald Trump reverses Republican plans to gut the Office of Congressional Ethics

[Robert]

Donald Trump criticized House Republicans for their plans to gut the Office of Congressional Ethics, they called an emergency meeting to reverse the change.

Enough said GGGGOOOOOOOOO,,,,,TRUMP

Thank you for looking 

I felt since there was a negative earlier post that was assigned to Trump as behind the bill to gut the ethics office, I had to get the truth out that Trump had nothing to do with it and in fact reversed it. This must be the first time I have ever seen this type of thing happen in the reversal of a bad piece of a bill especially so quickly.

http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/03/us/politics/trump-house-ethics-office.html?_r=0

It would have been nice for the members that started the post that Trump was responsible would have checked their facts before jumping to conclusions and making it sound like he did the dirty.

[The emperor has no clothes]

It was a thread started by CI_Borg. If you will reread his posts, he said nothing about Trump doing it. To the contrary, later in the day when Trump tweeted his displeasure with them he praised Trump.

[mike72903]

Thanks Rob  I was looking back to see who would have posted what Robert said because I knew it certainly wasn't me but I didn't recall any other posts about it.  Not sure how anyone could have misunderstood.  It would be nice if the member that stated that would have checked the facts before jumping to conclusions making it sound like I did the dirty 

[Moonshot_1]

From that thread, 2nd post in by Thespian

"It's OK. The Donald said so. And they are all still in lock step. Just like the SS."

Note Robert said nothing about CI_Borg. 

[mike72903]

From that thread, 2nd post in by Thespian

"It's OK. The Donald said so. And they are all still in lock step. Just like the SS."

Note Robert said nothing about CI_Borg. 

It would have been nice for the members that started the post

[The emperor has no clothes]

From that thread, 2nd post in by Thespian

"It's OK. The Donald said so. And they are all still in lock step. Just like the SS."

Note Robert said nothing about CI_Borg. 

He said :


"It would have been nice for the members that started the post that Trump was responsible would have checked their facts before jumping to conclusions and making it sound like he did the dirty. "

Since CI_Borg started the post, I took the statement as about him. As far as Thespians statement that Trump said it was OK, I'm not sure where he got that. But that was one statement out of a page of others.

[f6gal]

From that thread, 2nd post in by Thespian

"It's OK. The Donald said so. And they are all still in lock step. Just like the SS."

Note Robert said nothing about CI_Borg. 

He said :


"It would have been nice for the members that started the post that Trump was responsible would have checked their facts before jumping to conclusions and making it sound like he did the dirty. "

Since CI_Borg started the post, I took the statement as about him. As far as Thespians statement that Trump said it was OK, I'm not sure where he got that. But that was one statement out of a page of others.

CI_Borg started the thread in which the post was made, not the post itself... that was Thespian.

[The emperor has no clothes]

From that thread, 2nd post in by Thespian

"It's OK. The Donald said so. And they are all still in lock step. Just like the SS."

Note Robert said nothing about CI_Borg. 

He said :


"It would have been nice for the members that started the post that Trump was responsible would have checked their facts before jumping to conclusions and making it sound like he did the dirty. "

Since CI_Borg started the post, I took the statement as about him. As far as Thespians statement that Trump said it was OK, I'm not sure where he got that. But that was one statement out of a page of others.

CI_Borg started the thread in which the post was made, not the post itself... that was Thespian.

I guess I misunderstood the terminology .

[Rams]

Having read both the initial report on what they (Republicans) wanted to do and the follow up about what happened when President Trump got involved, I'm glad with the end result.   

Thanks for keeping all of us informed.   

[Robert]

Well I guess I caused a bit of a stir.

I wanted a post to be clear that Donald did in fact stop the idea. He actually got top billing for doing something good. 

When I read the posts mentioned I did notice that, finally there was acknowledgement that Trump said something against the move of the Republicans. But the first part of that post is at least seemed like a veiled attack. This left open to some unkind words from others. I did not want to have to read down and then see that Trump was actually vindicated and the truth told. Going through the first part of the post was enough to make me think and feel like I was in Moonbeam heaven.

That the evil Republicans hence Trump was starting off the new presidency with evil. I endorsed Trump because I can agree with one thing the Republican party as we know it are lacking in so many things. Which is about the kindest way I can put it and the Democrats are lost in a socialist point of view.

So as it goes headlines are important and that is the intent of this post, to make a post that is positive towards Trump from the beginning.. I am personally tired of all the attacks on Trump since in reality he is not even the president and has done more than O to try to help the economy. He just by his stature and reputation has started to change the face of America. That is what personally I was hoping would happen, the fact that he chided the Republican party and they immediately backed off was a result better than I could have hoped for.

 But it seems the faint whiff of wrong doing is like the smell of blood to sharks. I want to remain positive of my perception of Trump. I will hope that its not wrong because quite frankly if I am wrong and not just because of me we are truly sunk. We will get the one like Hillary or Obama that will lead us down the path of one world governments and banking systems and the US as we know it will no longer be here.

Even more so I have a financial interest in seeing Trump change things since O care is costing me personally every year just for health insurance and quite frankly I would be hard pressed to afford a policy on O care that would even meet my needs. Yes I could but paying more for health care than a Mercedes Benz or even Ferrari car payment is ridiculous. I feel like I am footing the bill for quite a few others to go on health care and when the law was drafted and in court and said that the whole thing was a sham and misrepresented I didn't hear a peep from one liberal.

So I have learned that most liberals are very intelligent according to world standards, know how to use words well, and like to post grabbing headlines and I must say have false surveys and polls.

So, Trump stops evil repubs is a great headline, Dont you guys think so?

Positive, clear, upbeat, THE TRUTH, and doesn't allow things to go in the wrong direction.

I don't know the true intent of the original post or poster but this post is clear in its intent. Lets all be more like Ann Coulter that stood up to the lefts laughing and mocking and in the end was vindicated by results. This is in stark contrast to O that speaks great words and in the end your left with a flavor you did not want.

[therapist]

From everything I've heard, the main reason for the reversal was constituents flooding
their phone lines with complaints. Trump's displeasure was just the final push.

[baldo]

From everything I've heard, the main reason for the reversal was constituents flooding
their phone lines with complaints. Trump's displeasure was just the final push.

Exactly.....

It just plays better when stated the other way...

[mike72903]

He didn't actually say it shouldn't be done (doing away with the OCE) only that now wasn't the time with more important matters to attend to like overturning the ACA, dealing with SS, Medicare, etc. We will see how effective he is once he is President.  My hope is that everything turns out well both domestically and internationally. My fear is a circus of chaos with dire results. Good luck to him and the American people.  Personally, I dispise the man. His ego, sense of entitlement, lack of experience, need for constant attention, bullying, broken commitments, all just rub me the wrong way.  My opinion doesn't matter and won't change a thing. Just like everyone else here, I'm at the mercy of those we put in charge. 

[baldo]

He didn't actually say it shouldn't be done (doing away with the OCE) only that now wasn't the time with more important matters to attend to like overturning the ACA, dealing with SS, Medicare, etc. We will see how effective he is once he is President.  My hope is that everything turns out well both domestically and internationally. My fear is a circus of chaos with dire results. Good luck to him and the American people.  Personally, I dispise the man. His ego, sense of entitlement, lack of experience, need for constant attention, bullying, broken commitments, all just rub me the wrong way.  My opinion doesn't matter and won't change a thing. Just like everyone else here, I'm at the mercy of those we put in charge. 

That all sounds good and all, but I'm afraid this leopard will have trouble changing his spots...

And please don't include me in the 'we'.....

[Robert]

As for experience lets see Obama had so much experience 

Or

Ronald Regan 

Who really has experience being president,  ???  in fact we see from Obama's first term things should have gotten better instead of worse like they did if experience was important.

[Robert]

Good luck to him and the American people.  Personally, I dispise the man. His ego, sense of entitlement, lack of experience, need for constant attention, bullying, broken commitments, all just rub me the wrong way.  My opinion doesn't matter and won't change a thing. Just like everyone else here, I'm at the mercy of those we put in charge. 

Who are you talking about here Obama?

[mike72903]

Bob, I was speaking of "we the people" not any individual. I'm not a "we" in a personal context either.
Robert, for all our sakes I hope he leads effectively.  Like Baldo, I don't think he will. I do believe that he is totally self indulgent, emotionally unstable and egomaniacal and is dangerous as a result, will endanger our freedoms, sow division and encourage more coarseness and vulgarity in our social dialogue.  We will see.

[Robert]

Robert, for all our sakes I hope he leads effectively.  Like Baldo, I don't think he will. I do believe that he is totally self indulgent, emotionally unstable and egomaniacal and is dangerous as a result, will endanger our freedoms, sow division and encourage more coarseness and vulgarity in our social dialogue.  We will see.

I don't think we are in disagreement here but in your description I think you could apply without the coarseness to Obama. 

I have been so disillusioned by so many in public office saying one thing then doing another. Its infuriating to say the least. I don't know how Trump will legitimately do but I do have trust that if he puts his businesses smarts to this country it should be on a better financial footing at the very least. What gave me hope was his acceptance speech and the actions he has taken since. There is a consistency of action that words that I have  not seen.

BTW have you seen the latest on Obama mobilizing the Democrats to stop the dismantling of the ACA? What a pos he is in my book.

[The emperor has no clothes]

BTW have you seen the latest on Obama mobilizing the Democrats to stop the dismantling of the ACA? What a pos he is in my book.

What is it you think he should do ? Why would he try to stop it ? Other than you don't like it.

[baldo]

BTW have you seen the latest on Obama mobilizing the Democrats to stop the dismantling of the ACA? What a pos he is in my book.

What is it you think he should do ? Why would he try to stop it ? Other than you don't like it.

I had started to ask the same question, but didn't feel like getting caught up in the usual maelstrom of manure.

I'm still waiting to hear what Trumpcare is going to look like.

[Robert]

Most presidents have gracefully just left office and helped the transition to the new president knowing their time is finished. They have not actively worked against the current elected president or put up road blocks knowing that people elected someone else. Its about change, its about he had his chance, its about letting someone else do the job they couldn't do without being hindered.

[therapist]

Most presidents have gracefully just left office and helped the transition to the new president knowing their time is finished. They have not actively worked against the current elected president or put up road blocks knowing that people elected someone else. Its about change, its about he had his chance, its about letting someone else do the job they couldn't do without being hindered.

No...it's about keeping your mouth shut and not mucking things up, until you take the oath.
One President at a time. How you spun this against Obama is amazing.
You should see if there is a job on Trump's "team of apologists and translators".

[Serk]

One President at a time.

So if Obama (pbuh) doesn't quietly go away after American Salvation Day (January 20th), you'll be the first to call him out on it, right?

[The emperor has no clothes]

One President at a time.

So if Obama (pbuh) doesn't quietly go away after American Salvation Day (January 20th), you'll be the first to call him out on it, right?

As in he is not to speak of our country ? Or as in he is not to criticize Trump ?

[Serk]

One President at a time.

So if Obama (pbuh) doesn't quietly go away after American Salvation Day (January 20th), you'll be the first to call him out on it, right?

As in he is not to speak of our country ? Or as in he is not to criticize Trump ?

One would hope he could emulate the class of President Bush, who has made a point of staying out of the limelight and letting the current president be president. 

I doubt Obama (pbuh) can come anywhere CLOSE to living up to the high class of W though, but one can hope.

[The emperor has no clothes]

One President at a time.

So if Obama (pbuh) doesn't quietly go away after American Salvation Day (January 20th), you'll be the first to call him out on it, right?

As in he is not to speak of our country ? Or as in he is not to criticize Trump ?

One would hope he could emulate the class of President Bush, who has made a point of staying out of the limelight and letting the current president be president.  

I doubt Obama (pbuh) can come anywhere CLOSE to living up to the high class of W though, but one can hope.

I agree with you about W. But he still speaks up about our country. I think Obama would be wise to follow his lead. But I have an idea that if he speaks up about peanut butter sandwiches, he will still be vilified as a foreign Muslim who hates America and peanut butter.
Hopefully he won't follow the Cheney model.

[Moonshot_1]

Most presidents have gracefully just left office and helped the transition to the new president knowing their time is finished. They have not actively worked against the current elected president or put up road blocks knowing that people elected someone else. Its about change, its about he had his chance, its about letting someone else do the job they couldn't do without being hindered.

No...it's about keeping your mouth shut and not mucking things up, until you take the oath.
One President at a time. How you spun this against Obama is amazing.
You should see if there is a job on Trump's "team of apologists and translators".

Not mucking things up???

8 years too late there buddy!

Can't possibly make the case that Trump's election gives Obama the right to undermine the future of the country in the 11th hour of his term.

It's a slap in the face to the electorate. Damn glad to see Obama's term end.

[baldo]

One President at a time.

So if Obama (pbuh) doesn't quietly go away after American Salvation Day (January 20th), you'll be the first to call him out on it, right?

As in he is not to speak of our country ? Or as in he is not to criticize Trump ?

One would hope he could emulate the class of President Bush, who has made a point of staying out of the limelight and letting the current president be president. 

I doubt Obama (pbuh) can come anywhere CLOSE to living up to the high class of W though, but one can hope.

Bush left office with the lowest approval rating of any modern President. At 22%, he was even lower than Nixon, who had to resign rather than be impeached. He didn't have too much capital to spend.

[Moonshot_1]

One President at a time.

So if Obama (pbuh) doesn't quietly go away after American Salvation Day (January 20th), you'll be the first to call him out on it, right?

As in he is not to speak of our country ? Or as in he is not to criticize Trump ?

One would hope he could emulate the class of President Bush, who has made a point of staying out of the limelight and letting the current president be president.  

I doubt Obama (pbuh) can come anywhere CLOSE to living up to the high class of W though, but one can hope.

I agree with you about W. But he still speaks up about our country. I think Obama would be wise to follow his lead. But I have an idea that if he speaks up about peanut butter sandwiches, he will still be vilified as a foreign Muslim who hates America and peanut butter.
Hopefully he won't follow the Cheney model.

I think if Obama went out and shot some lawyers his approval rating would skyrocket.  

[Willow]

Bush left office with the lowest approval rating of any modern President. At 22%, he was even lower than Nixon, who had to resign rather than be impeached. He didn't have too much capital to spend.

I'm not sure where you get your info.  I did a quick search and none of the several reports showed George Bush as low as you quoted and none showed him lower than Richard Nixon.

Gallup did show that Bush's highest rating was 90% and Obama's highest was 69%.

Polls are a bit misleading but interesting, aren't they?

[Serk]

I'm not sure where you get your info. 

I'm guessing from the same polls that said Brexit wouldn't happen and that Hillary had a 99.999978344928% chance of winning... 

[baldo]

Bush left office with the lowest approval rating of any modern President. At 22%, he was even lower than Nixon, who had to resign rather than be impeached. He didn't have too much capital to spend.

I'm not sure where you get your info.  I did a quick search and none of the several reports showed George Bush as low as you quoted and none showed him lower than Richard Nixon.

Gallup did show that Bush's highest rating was 90% and Obama's highest was 69%.

Polls are a bit misleading but interesting, aren't they?

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bushs-final-approval-rating-22-percent/

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/01/12/presidential-job-approval-ratings-from-ike-to-obama/

[Robert]

How you spun this against Obama is amazing.
You should see if there is a job on Trump's "team of apologists and translators".

Thanks, it would be interesting, but I cant really take to much credit because I didn't have to put in to much effort, O pretty much sunk himself.  

Time left until Obama leaves office"
14 days 5hours 54 minutes 18 seconds but whose counting 

[Willow]

Bush left office with the lowest approval rating of any modern President. At 22%, he was even lower than Nixon, who had to resign rather than be impeached. He didn't have too much capital to spend.

I'm not sure where you get your info.  I did a quick search and none of the several reports showed George Bush as low as you quoted and none showed him lower than Richard Nixon.

Gallup did show that Bush's highest rating was 90% and Obama's highest was 69%.

Polls are a bit misleading but interesting, aren't they?

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bushs-final-approval-rating-22-percent/

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/01/12/presidential-job-approval-ratings-from-ike-to-obama/  

Oh!  CBS news poll?  I didn't check them.  They didn't call me.  I didn't see a reference in their story to Richard Nixon.

Interesting this is from their story:

Views of Mr. Bush's popularity are highly partisan. Only 6 percent of Democrats approve of the job he has done as president, while 57 percent of Republicans approve. Eighteen percent of independents approve.

In order to get 57% of Republicans and 6% of Democrats to equal 22% one would have to call a lot more Democrats than Republicans.  I've said it before.  You can make a poll say just about  what you want it to by how you ask the questions and how you report the answers.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Bush left office with the lowest approval rating of any modern President. At 22%, he was even lower than Nixon, who had to resign rather than be impeached. He didn't have too much capital to spend.

I'm not sure where you get your info.  I did a quick search and none of the several reports showed George Bush as low as you quoted and none showed him lower than Richard Nixon.

Gallup did show that Bush's highest rating was 90% and Obama's highest was 69%.

Polls are a bit misleading but interesting, aren't they?

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bushs-final-approval-rating-22-percent/

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/01/12/presidential-job-approval-ratings-from-ike-to-obama/  

Oh!  CBS news poll?  I didn't check them.  They didn't call me.  I didn't see a reference in their story to Richard Nixon.

Interesting this is from their story:

Views of Mr. Bush's popularity are highly partisan. Only 6 percent of Democrats approve of the job he has done as president, while 57 percent of Republicans approve. Eighteen percent of independents approve.

In order to get 57% of Republicans and 6% of Democrats to equal 22% one would have to call a lot more Democrats than Republicans.  I've said it before.  You can make a poll say just about  what you want it to by how you ask the questions and how you report the answers.

I didn't do the math, because I'm really not very interested in what Bush's rating was 8 years ago. But I think you didn't factor in the amount of Independants in your calculations. I'm guessing about half the people consider themselves Independants . At 18% rating from them, that would bring it down pretty good. But it's all really a moot point.

[baldo]

Bush left office with the lowest approval rating of any modern President. At 22%, he was even lower than Nixon, who had to resign rather than be impeached. He didn't have too much capital to spend.

I'm not sure where you get your info.  I did a quick search and none of the several reports showed George Bush as low as you quoted and none showed him lower than Richard Nixon.

Gallup did show that Bush's highest rating was 90% and Obama's highest was 69%.

Polls are a bit misleading but interesting, aren't they?

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bushs-final-approval-rating-22-percent/

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/01/12/presidential-job-approval-ratings-from-ike-to-obama/  

Oh!  CBS news poll?  I didn't check them.  They didn't call me.  I didn't see a reference in their story to Richard Nixon.

Interesting this is from their story:

Views of Mr. Bush's popularity are highly partisan. Only 6 percent of Democrats approve of the job he has done as president, while 57 percent of Republicans approve. Eighteen percent of independents approve.

In order to get 57% of Republicans and 6% of Democrats to equal 22% one would have to call a lot more Democrats than Republicans.  I've said it before.  You can make a poll say just about  what you want it to by how you ask the questions and how you report the answers.

Agreed on polls.

Check out the second link. About half-way down they show highs and lows, from Ike to present. Makes it easy to see....