Ft. Lauderdale shooting vent

[billyjakester]

I'll preface this by acknowledging both my respect and support of our Blue Line.  They have a tough job and perform it well.  Thank you.

I didn't comment on this when the Boston Marathon bombing occurred, but today's videos reminded me of Boston again.

I recall seeing videos in Boston of police going door to door searching homes for the two bomber/shooter brothers, as they needed to do.  What I DID NOT agree with (then and now), were videos of cops walking a line of home owners (including women and kids) in front of their own homes......with their hands in the air.  They were NOT the criminals or the shooters.

At that point in time they already knew the shooters were two brothers and not little kids or women.  Police treated innocent homeowners with less respect than they did with the wife of one of the bombers when she was detained.

I have yet to see a TV news video where the "alleged" criminal, thug, rapist, rioters (BLM), etc. are walked in front of cameras with their hands in the air - cuffed or uncuffed.  Why?  Because it's not politically correct - they're only "alleged" criminals and have rights.  Why wasn't the same respect shown those Boston homeowners and today's Ft. Lauderdale air passengers ? 

Today's Ft. Lauderdale shooting shows innocent passengers being walked along side the railroad tracks with their hands in the air ( I can't post the photo).  Why ? I understand the reason for security and caution, but explain why everyday citizens are shown less respect than arrested or detained criminals.  What would happen if every Boston homeowner or Ft. Lauderdale air passenger, while complying with police directions, refused to put their hands in the air ?  While the mainstream Media continually advances the Ferguson big lie  "hangs up - don't shoot" myth about the thug - Michael Brown, not a word is said when everyday  citizens are treated as criminals. 

TSA question:  how many weapons are legally carried in checked baggage each day as a percentage of total checked bags ? ?

Sixteen years after 9/11....(and hundreds $$$ millions of dollars later)....we're still searching little old ladies, kids, handicap people in wheel chairs, NOT profiling Muslims (not PC), but they still haven't figured out how to maintain better uniform control of checked baggage weapons.

[Moonshot_1]

I'll preface this by acknowledging both my respect and support of our Blue Line.  They have a tough job and perform it well.  Thank you.

I didn't comment on this when the Boston Marathon bombing occurred, but today's videos reminded me of Boston again.

I recall seeing videos in Boston of police going door to door searching homes for the two bomber/shooter brothers, as they needed to do.  What I DID NOT agree with (then and now), were videos of cops walking a line of home owners (including women and kids) in front of their own homes......with their hands in the air.  They were NOT the criminals or the shooters.

At that point in time they already knew the shooters were two brothers and not little kids or women.  Police treated innocent homeowners with less respect than they did with the wife of one of the bombers when she was detained.

I have yet to see a TV news video where the "alleged" criminal, thug, rapist, rioters (BLM), etc. are walked in front of cameras with their hands in the air - cuffed or uncuffed.  Why?  Because it's not politically correct - they're only "alleged" criminals and have rights.  Why wasn't the same respect shown those Boston homeowners and today's Ft. Lauderdale air passengers ? 

Today's Ft. Lauderdale shooting shows innocent passengers being walked along side the railroad tracks with their hands in the air ( I can't post the photo).  Why ? I understand the reason for security and caution, but explain why everyday citizens are shown less respect than arrested or detained criminals.  What would happen if every Boston homeowner or Ft. Lauderdale air passenger, while complying with police directions, refused to put their hands in the air ?  While the mainstream Media continually advances the Ferguson big lie  "hangs up - don't shoot" myth about the thug - Michael Brown, not a word is said when everyday  citizens are treated as criminals. 

TSA question:  how many weapons are legally carried in checked baggage each day as a percentage of total checked bags ? ?

Sixteen years after 9/11....(and hundreds $$$ millions of dollars later)....we're still searching little old ladies, kids, handicap people in wheel chairs, NOT profiling Muslims (not PC), but they still haven't figured out how to maintain better uniform control of checked baggage weapons.

Well, think of it this way. If you are a Law Enforcement Officer and are put into a situation where you have multiple people to deal with, the good guys have their hands up. Protocols exist for a reason. Even if they are a bitch. Sure, the police knew they had a shooter. Were they absolutely confident they had all those responsible? Apparently not.

It is a delicate balance between maintaining personal rights and public protection. No one knows who the good guys are until the bad guys show their hand.

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Update

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2554152/fort-lauderdale-airport-shooting-florida-latest-updates/

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By chance I turned the TV on and there was an ABC report of the shooting.

The news anchor - the 7pm guy with the carefully coiffured hair - said the following words. All of them!

"The shooter didn't use a long gun. He used a hand gun. So not a semi automatic weapon".  

[art]

They showed a picture of a semi auto 45 or 9mm pistol on the airport floor. I think it was the shooters

[Bighead]

Yeah Britman posted that as sarcasm, stating that gun opponents have zero idea of what they oppose.

[Jess from VA]

A Glock.

Here's the deal.  I want to read all his medical records of mental health treatment in AK (military and other), and I want to read his whole general discharge package.

A guy tells the FBI he hears command voices telling him to support ISIS, he is referred for mental health evaluation.  He gets a general discharge (for cause, unsat performance).  

Shortly thereafter, with CCW and Glock in hand, he shoots up an airport.  

I want to depose every mental health care person who evaluated him, I have a lot of questions.  

I might also ask the FBI what followup they did after he came to see them.

I might also ask his military commander and first shirt about him.

[old2soon]

Yeah Britman posted that as sarcasm, stating that gun opponents have zero idea of what they oppose.

      Yup-heard some news types calling the empty casing the bullet!   Not on this latest Florida shooting but some time past. But as to the original question-til they git the ENTIRE COMPLETE situation under control I Know the WHY of the folks having their hands up. Are we-the L E Os dealing with more than one active shooter/perp/suspect? 40 folks with hands up are less suspicious. The L E Os would like to return home to families and loved ones. Me personally-I'll put my hands up if told to in a similar situation. Hands up less chance of becoming a statistic. Hands down scratching the boys might git me dead in an active shooter scenario.   Place yerself in the L E Os shoes and reexamine the situation. RIDE SAFE.

[Gavin_Sons]

A Glock.

Here's the deal.  I want to read all his medical records of mental health treatment in AK (military and other), and I want to read his whole general discharge package.

A guy tells the FBI he hears command voices telling him to support ISIS, he is referred for mental health evaluation.  He gets a general discharge (for cause, unsat performance).  

Shortly thereafter, with CCW and Glock in hand, he shoots up an airport.  

I want to depose every mental health care person who evaluated him, I have a lot of questions.  

I might also ask the FBI what followup they did after he came to see them.

I might also ask his military commander and first shirt about him.

Was it a glock? Looked more like a S&W M&P to me, reason I question it is because I own several glocks and none of them look like the gun used.

[Gavin_Sons]

[Roadog]

  Having the citizens raise their hands is for their (LEO) safety AND the citizens safety .   It's called erring on the side of safe !!   Good grief !   With possible multi shooters out there without knowing at this point in time,  I don't think the LEO's were concerned about being PC at that point. And they shouldn't have been.  Two thumbs up for them,..they did a great job !

Roadog

[Robert]

UPDATE: Fort Lauderdale shooter Esteban Santiago was posting on Jihadi forums when he was 17 years old in 2007.

n Nov. 2016, Santiago-Ruiz walked into an FBI office in Anchorage and claimed he was being forced to fight for ISIS, law enforcement sources told CBS News.

 He was sent to a psychiatric hospital after police were called, sources said. He was also investigated as part of a child porn investigation in either 2011 or 2012, law enforcement sources told CBS News. Three weapons and a computer were seized, but no charges were filed, sources said. Sen. Bill Nelson of Florida said it was unclear whether the military ID was the gunman’s.

[Bighead]

Either way he is a Nutjob

[Pappy!]

UPDATE: Fort Lauderdale shooter Esteban Santiago was posting on Jihadi forums when he was 17 years old in 2007.

n Nov. 2016, Santiago-Ruiz walked into an FBI office in Anchorage and claimed he was being forced to fight for ISIS, law enforcement sources told CBS News.

 He was sent to a psychiatric hospital after police were called, sources said. He was also investigated as part of a child porn investigation in either 2011 or 2012, law enforcement sources told CBS News. Three weapons and a computer were seized, but no charges were filed, sources said. Sen. Bill Nelson of Florida said it was unclear whether the military ID was the gunman’s.

Bleeding Heart Senator Bill Nelson couldn't find his ass with both hands...............think he left his brain in space.

[da prez]

   Pappy , correction "He couldn't find his ass if they packed it full of uranium and gave him a gieger counter ".
   The quote was taken from an old horror film.

                                             da prez

[Alpha Dog]

UPDATE: Fort Lauderdale shooter Esteban Santiago was posting on Jihadi forums when he was 17 years old in 2007.

n Nov. 2016, Santiago-Ruiz walked into an FBI office in Anchorage and claimed he was being forced to fight for ISIS, law enforcement sources told CBS News.

 He was sent to a psychiatric hospital after police were called, sources said. He was also investigated as part of a child porn investigation in either 2011 or 2012, law enforcement sources told CBS News. Three weapons and a computer were seized, but no charges were filed, sources said. Sen. Bill Nelson of Florida said it was unclear whether the military ID was the gunman’s.

You know I saw him Friday on the tube giving out info. ( like name ).  I am not sure, but this may have been privileged info. at this early time.  He was taking questions and offering up in a manner usually reserved for the head LEO, be it local police, sheriff, or FBI.  My thought are what is up with him.  I will bet he is up for re election in 2018, and is using this tragedy to posture for votes.  Shame on you sir and hope you are gone next time around.  Good Grief

Bleeding Heart Senator Bill Nelson couldn't find his ass with both hands...............think he left his brain in space.

[CajunRider]

I recall seeing videos in Boston of police going door to door searching homes for the two bomber/shooter brothers, as they needed to do.  What I DID NOT agree with (then and now), were videos of cops walking a line of home owners (including women and kids) in front of their own homes......with their hands in the air.  They were NOT the criminals or the shooters.

This is not a problem with the police... it is with the news media.

For safety reasons, police treat EVERYTHING on the side of caution.  All you need do is follow orders, and you'll be fine.

New media, on the other hand, know a criminal may see themselves on TV with hands in the air and try to sue for defamation of character (and it may also affect the court case).  Law abiding citizens are much less likely to sue, so the media is much less careful with what they allow on the air. 

[BnB Tom]

   Sadly, the TSA is only concerned with what you might be carrying into the terminal and on to the plane.

             NOT what you legally packed in the luggage that you retrieve in the baggage claim area while leaving the airport...  that is a HUGE   hole in their program!!!  

  TSA:   "Not my job"

[cookiedough]

am sure tighter baggage claim areas will be enforced from here on out as it should be.

glad I do not fly not my cup of tea would rather take my chances on the open road.

[old2soon]

am sure tighter baggage claim areas will be enforced from here on out as it should be.

glad I do not fly not my cup of tea would rather take my chances on the open road.

           When I go to my Brothers place in Illinois in the summer I avoid St. Louis while on my M/C like the plague. WHY someone asks?  Right hand throttle right hand shooter!  Plus on a M/C traffic stopped=sitting target. RIDE SAFE. 

[Skinhead]

am sure tighter baggage claim areas will be enforced from here on out as it should be.

This I don't get.  What difference does it make if the shooter brought it to the air port in his checked bag, or walked into the baggage claim area from out side?  Not allowing law abiding citizens, especially those with CWPs is ridicules.  Just because the FAA and the Federal Government have you trained to think airports are "someplace special" and therefore, no guns allowed, your fine with them furter restricting your freedom?

Any fair, outdoor festival, car cruise, etc. that draws large numbers of "targets" is appealing to mass shooters, and you are only making it easier for them by endorsing restricting your right to protect yourself.

[old2soon]

am sure tighter baggage claim areas will be enforced from here on out as it should be.

This I don't get.  What difference does it make if the shooter brought it to the air port in his checked bag, or walked into the baggage claim area from out side?  Not allowing law abiding citizens, especially those with CWPs is ridicules.  Just because the FAA and the Federal Government have you trained to think airports are "someplace special" and therefore, no guns allowed, your fine with them furter restricting your freedom?

Any fair, outdoor festival, car cruise, etc. that draws large numbers of "targets" is appealing to mass shooters, and you are only making it easier for them by endorsing restricting your right to protect yourself.

            Last Christmas-2015-i flew commercial to my Brothers place in Illinois. Springfield Mo. to Chicago Ohare. Felt absofrikkinlutely NAKED. When I got out of my friends pickup in Springfield I handed him my 40 cal smith and 2 folding knives. All the way thru Ohare airport got my bag got in my brothers pickup and he handed me a folding knife which I gave back to him when I flew back after New Years. Be HAPPY when Illinois honors my Missouri CCW. RIDE SAFE.

[bagelboy]

Billyjakester, until you have had to do the job the LEO's have to, don't judge. My son is a cop and I fear everyday for his life. I'm sick and tired of the press and liberals evaluating how a cops job should be done. The arm chair quarterbacking should stop. More policeman are being hurt or killed each year because they are being forced to second guess their instincts or because their departments have to change protocol and procedures due to some schmuck mayor or town council. If they tell you put your hands up, do it! It could save your life, and the lives of others if you do as told! Let them do their job. They train, and train, and train for all kinds of situations. Trust their instincts and training!

[98valk]

joining the Army

http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2017/01/airport-shooter-converted-islam-identified-aashiq-hammad-years-joining-army/

The Ft. Lauderdale Airport shooter is a Muslim convert who years before joining the U.S. Army took on an Islamic name (Aashiq Hammad), downloaded terrorist propaganda and recorded Islamic religious music online, according to public records dug up by the investigative news site of an award-winning, California journalist. This is pertinent information that the Obama administration apparently wants to keep quiet, bringing up memories of the Benghazi cover up, in which the president and his cohorts knowingly lied to conceal that Islamic terrorists attacked the U.S. Special Mission in Libya.

Information is slowly trickling out that links the Ft. Lauderdale Airport shooter to radical Islam while the official story from authorities is that the gunman is a mentally ill, Hispanic Army veteran named Esteban Santiago that became unhinged after a tour in Iraq. Only one mainstream media outlet mentions the possibility of Santiago’s “jihadist identity,” burying it in a piece about New York possibly being his initial target. A paragraph deep in the story mentions that investigators recovered Santiago’s computer from a pawn shop and the FBI is examining it to determine whether he created a “jihadist identity for himself using the name Aashiq Hammad…” The reset of the traditional mainstream media coverage promotes the government rhetoric that omits any ties to terrorism even though early on a photo surfaced of Santiago making an ISIS salute while wearing a keffiyeh, a Palestinian Arab scarf.

The public records uncovered in the days after the massacre suggest Santiago (Hammad) is a radical Islamic terrorist that’s seriously committed to Islam. Besides taking on a Muslim name, he recorded three Islamic religious songs, including the Muslim declaration faith (“there is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his messenger”) known as the Shahada. He also posted a thread about downloading propaganda videos from Islamic terrorists on a weapons and explosives forum. The investigative news site that unearthed this disturbing information connected the dots between Santiago, who is of Puerto Rican descent, and Hammad, an identity he created in 2007.

This week a prominent Ft. Lauderdale businessman and longtime resident addressed a letter to the city’s mayor and commissioners blasting county and federal officials for covering up that “Aashiq Hammad, not Esteban Santiago, attacked our city and county.” The businessman, respected Ft. Lauderdale real estate entrepreneur Jim Morlock, specifically names Broward County’s elected sheriff Scott Israel, Florida senator Bill Nelson, the first to identify Santiago as the shooter on national television, and congressman Debbie Wasserman Schultz, ousted last summer as Democratic National Committee (DNC) chair over a scandalous plot to damage Bernie Sanders during the primary.

“Since when does a US Senator (Bill Nelson), not law enforcement, be the one to so quickly release this terrorist’s Hispanic name but nothing about his more relevant Islamic background?” the letter asks. Obama must have told Sen. Nelson to keep this from looking like a Muslim Terrorist attack during the last 12 days of his watch. Bad for his legacy.” Morlock goes on to state that it’s “better to portray this atrocity as white Hispanic Alaskan mental Iraq war vet gun violence.” The real estate entrepreneur proceeds to reveal that Santiago lives in walking distance to the only mosque in Alaska, was radicalized before he entered the military and was knowingly allowed to serve despite his Islamic sympathies thanks to “Obama’s PC military.”

The letter poses interesting questions, including why this Muslim terrorist chose Ft. Lauderdale out of all the nation’s airports and who Santiago knows in Broward county, which has a large and growing Islamic community. In 2015 Judicial Watch obtained records from the Florida Department of Law Enforcement (FDLE) that show and Al Qaeda terrorist who helped plan several U.S. attacks lived in Broward County and graduated from the local community college with a degree in computer engineering. His name is Adnan G. El Shukrijumah, but he also had a Hispanic identity, Javier Robles, and for years he appeared on the FBI’s most wanted list. Back in 2012 Judicial Watch reported on a terrorist front group’s demands that Broward County public schools close twice a year to celebrate Islamic holy days, illustrating the influence that Muslims have in the region.

[cookiedough]

Interesting indeed, yet still so sad...

Muslim ways/Islam is still not bad though right??   

Only met one Muslim originally coming from Iraq/Iran in my life,  ONE TOO MANY..

[Moonshot_1]

“better to portray this atrocity as white Hispanic Alaskan mental Iraq war vet gun violence."

Yup, that's a swingin' for the fences in Fake News Field!

[Wizzard]

Surprise,  surprise, surprise. 

[The emperor has no clothes]

If he was a convert, he hid it pretty well. The Muslims in Anchorage didn't know of him.

[98valk]

If he was a convert, he hid it pretty well. The Muslims in Anchorage didn't know of him.

aka "lone wolf sleeper cells" well documented that they are here.

[3fan4life]

So NOW ISIS is recruiting people of Hispanic origin into Radical Islam.

President Trump can't get that wall built FAST ENOUGH!

[Wizzard]

If he was a convert, he hid it pretty well. The Muslims in Anchorage didn't know of him.

How would you know that? Did they tell you? How does one get that info? If you tell me the press,, well then I would really doubt that.

[The emperor has no clothes]

If he was a convert, he hid it pretty well. The Muslims in Anchorage didn't know of him.

How would you know that? Did they tell you? How does one get that info? If you tell me the press,, well then I would really doubt that.

I guess you will be doubting. I read my hometown paper online daily. It's pretty big news there because of him having his gun taken and then given back. The guy from the mosque said nobody knew him . That's all the info I have on it. I can't verify it, none of my friends or family are Muslim.

[Bighead]

If he was a convert, he hid it pretty well. The Muslims in Anchorage didn't know of him.

How would you know that? Did they tell you? How does one get that info? If you tell me the press,, well then I would really doubt that.

I guess you will be doubting. I read my hometown paper online daily. It's pretty big news there because of him having his gun taken and then given back. The guy from the mosque said nobody knew him . That's all the info I have on it. I can't verify it, none of my friends or family are Muslim.

I also guess the Guy at the mosque might not tell the truth? Yep just take his word for it

[Wizzard]

That was part of my point. I don't trust them either.

[The emperor has no clothes]

That was part of my point. I don't trust them either.

Its quite possible the guy converted to Islam. I don't know. What I'm saying is if he did, he did a good job of keeping it hidden.