Bait and Switch

[therapist]

Looks like we (taxpayers) are buying a wall.

[Serk]

http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,92399.0.html

[Gavin_Sons]

I'd rather pay for a wall than some worthless ppersons health insurance. 

[Alpha Dog]

I'd rather pay for a wall than some worthless ppersons health insurance. 

And all the other associated costs which runs many many billions yearly.  Also if it can put a big dent into the heroin epidemic that is now taking thousands of lives every year, that can only be a very good thing.

There are many ways of recovering that 14 billion, and Trump's assertion that Mexico would pay for it always meant a variety of methods.   A tariff on imported Mexico goods is a great way to recover them and Trump has talked about it.  Mexico charges us and others various imported taxes so why should we not.  Also getting Ford, Carrier, and other US mfg plants to  scrap plans is a plus.  There will be a push for others already their that make goods and high end products to move back here by making the cost of American mfg. much more competitive.  The race to the bottom as Ross Perot so astutely outlined back in 92 and 93 is going to start to reverse.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I'd rather pay for a wall than some worthless ppersons health insurance. 

And all the other associated costs which runs many many billions yearly.  Also if it can put a big dent into the heroin epidemic that is now taking thousands of lives every year, that can only be a very good thing.

There are many ways of recovering that 14 billion, and Trump's assertion that Mexico would pay for it always meant a variety of methods.   A tariff on imported Mexico goods is a great way to recover them and Trump has talked about it.  Mexico charges us and others various imported taxes so why should we not.  Also getting Ford, Carrier, and other US mfg plants to  scrap plans is a plus.  There will be a push for others already their that make goods and high end products to move back here by making the cost of American mfg. much more competitive.  The race to the bottom as Ross Perot so astutely outlined back in 92 and 93 is going to start to reverse.

Aren't we bound by NAFTA agreements as far as tariffs go ?

[Serk]

Aren't we bound by NAFTA agreements as far as tariffs go ?

Not if we write 2 letters, one to Mexico and one to Canada, then wait 6 months...

NAFTA Article 2205: Withdrawal

A Party may withdraw from this Agreement six months after it provides written notice of withdrawal to the other Parties. If a Party withdraws, the Agreement shall remain in force for the remaining Parties.


Kinda refreshing actually, usually when I google up something like that I find pages and pages and pages of doublespeak, legalese, etc... NAFTA withdrawal is pretty simple and straightforward...

http://www.sice.oas.org/trade/nafta/chap-22.asp

[Roadog]

   I think Trump has a pen and a phone...can cancel at anytime...THAT has been proven over and over and...

Roadog

[The emperor has no clothes]

Aren't we bound by NAFTA agreements as far as tariffs go ?

Not if we write 2 letters, one to Mexico and one to Canada, then wait 6 months...

NAFTA Article 2205: Withdrawal

A Party may withdraw from this Agreement six months after it provides written notice of withdrawal to the other Parties. If a Party withdraws, the Agreement shall remain in force for the remaining Parties.


Kinda refreshing actually, usually when I google up something like that I find pages and pages and pages of doublespeak, legalese, etc... NAFTA withdrawal is pretty simple and straightforward...

http://www.sice.oas.org/trade/nafta/chap-22.asp

Thanks, I didn't know that. 

[Hook#3287]

   I think Trump has a pen and a phone...can cancel at anytime...THAT has been proven over and over and...

Roadog

Is a TWEET considered written notice?

[Alpha Dog]

Aren't we bound by NAFTA agreements as far as tariffs go ?

Not if we write 2 letters, one to Mexico and one to Canada, then wait 6 months...

NAFTA Article 2205: Withdrawal

A Party may withdraw from this Agreement six months after it provides written notice of withdrawal to the other Parties. If a Party withdraws, the Agreement shall remain in force for the remaining Parties.




Kinda refreshing actually, usually when I google up something like that I find pages and pages and pages of doublespeak, legalese, etc... NAFTA withdrawal is pretty simple and straightforward...

http://www.sice.oas.org/trade/nafta/chap-22.asp

Nice find Serk.  I was not aware it was this easy.  I did look up taxes of importing into Mexico and it can range from 14 to 140 percent, and additional taxes can be added for other various reasons.  I do know NAFTA was tilted heavily in Mexico's favor and when implemented what went from a US 15 billion dollar advantage ( even though the Maciadora project had been in effect since Nixon ) is now a 60 billion advantage for Mexico, and millions of decent to good paying US mfgs. jobs exported to Mexico while both parties played their fiddles.  GATT and WTO have been as much and probably more devastating for us.

My old Economics professor, the late great Dr. Dale Haywood, use to rail against how stupid the US trade representatives were in their deals and how they always favored our opponent.   In those days( 74-78 ) most were one on one with various countries.  Then the CFR got their way and made them bigger deals so we could get fleeced by a multitude of countries.

[The emperor has no clothes]

   I think Trump has a pen and a phone...can cancel at anytime...THAT has been proven over and over and...

Roadog

Is a TWEET considered written notice?

I don't know, but we are about to find out.

[Hooter]

I think all these politicians should have to go on Osama care after they leave office, and pay out of their picket, not ours.

[old2soon]

I'd rather pay for a wall than some worthless ppersons health insurance. 

And all the other associated costs which runs many many billions yearly.  Also if it can put a big dent into the heroin epidemic that is now taking thousands of lives every year, that can only be a very good thing.

There are many ways of recovering that 14 billion, and Trump's assertion that Mexico would pay for it always meant a variety of methods.   A tariff on imported Mexico goods is a great way to recover them and Trump has talked about it.  Mexico charges us and others various imported taxes so why should we not.  Also getting Ford, Carrier, and other US mfg plants to  scrap plans is a plus.  There will be a push for others already their that make goods and high end products to move back here by making the cost of American mfg. much more competitive.  The race to the bottom as Ross Perot so astutely outlined back in 92 and 93 is going to start to reverse.

                 Yeah but yer below average welfare recipient doofus don't wanna git a job. So cut back welfare-food stamps-gas cards to next to nuttin and quit givin away cell phones. Oh and institute urine tests to stay on welfare if not or if it is cut back. And bringing more children into the world while on welfare should NOT=more money. You wanna eat steak and not gubmint cheese-git a job. And B T W-as a commercial Driver I was REQUIRED to piss in the jug at least every 2 years and subject to random checks Whenever. And whenever could be 3 or 4 times in 2 or 3 months. RIDE SAFE.

[Gavin_Sons]

I'd rather pay for a wall than some worthless ppersons health insurance. 

And all the other associated costs which runs many many billions yearly.  Also if it can put a big dent into the heroin epidemic that is now taking thousands of lives every year, that can only be a very good thing.

There are many ways of recovering that 14 billion, and Trump's assertion that Mexico would pay for it always meant a variety of methods.   A tariff on imported Mexico goods is a great way to recover them and Trump has talked about it.  Mexico charges us and others various imported taxes so why should we not.  Also getting Ford, Carrier, and other US mfg plants to  scrap plans is a plus.  There will be a push for others already their that make goods and high end products to move back here by making the cost of American mfg. much more competitive.  The race to the bottom as Ross Perot so astutely outlined back in 92 and 93 is going to start to reverse.

                 Yeah but yer below average welfare recipient doofus don't wanna git a job. So cut back welfare-food stamps-gas cards to next to nuttin and quit givin away cell phones. Oh and institute urine tests to stay on welfare if not or if it is cut back. And bringing more children into the world while on welfare should NOT=more money. You wanna eat steak and not gubmint cheese-git a job. And B T W-as a commercial Driver I was REQUIRED to piss in the jug at least every 2 years and subject to random checks Whenever. And whenever could be 3 or 4 times in 2 or 3 months. RIDE SAFE.

  oh look, we just save a few billion dollars  just by requiring welfair reciepients to do drug tests and taking away benefits from the illegals.

[Master Blaster]

Yeah but yer below average welfare recipient doofus don't wanna git a job. So cut back welfare-food stamps-gas cards to next to nuttin and quit givin away cell phones. Oh and institute urine tests to stay on welfare if not or if it is cut back. And bringing more children into the world while on welfare should NOT=more money. You wanna eat steak and not gubmint cheese-git a job. And B T W-as a commercial Driver I was REQUIRED to piss in the jug at least every 2 years and subject to random checks Whenever. And whenever could be 3 or 4 times in 2 or 3 months. RIDE SAFE

You ain't seen nothing yet, try being a commercial pilot. 

[Robert]

How about like the old days, just applying for a job while on welfare?

[signart]

How about like the old days, just applying for a job while on welfare?

...and trade the free phones for a pair of work boots.

[RP#62]

Looks like we (taxpayers) are buying a wall.

I saw that.  He's using American tax dollars to fund Mexican labor to build a wall to keep Americans out.

http://www.tmz.com/2017/01/06/president-obama-dc-house-brick-wall/

-RP

[gordonv]

How about like the old days, just applying for a job while on welfare?

Applying for and accepting the job offer, are 2 different things. Welfares should almost be in a class of their own... like they submit their welfare # to the possible employer, and the employer submites a post application/interview to welfare, stating how the interview went and if an offer of employment was given/received.

Or would something like that just let unscrupulous employers pay them cash under the table to work for a few dollars more, while still collecting welfare?

I remember the old days, when on un-employment insurance, having to record information of who I applied for work from, and keep it if they required proof. Back before computers and the internet. Now everything is done online, and you never hear back if you don't get a job, but then you also are able to apply at a lot more in one day.

[art]

I'd rather pay for a wall than some worthless ppersons health insurance. 

And all the other associated costs which runs many many billions yearly.  Also if it can put a big dent into the heroin epidemic that is now taking thousands of lives every year, that can only be a very good thing.

There are many ways of recovering that 14 billion, and Trump's assertion that Mexico would pay for it always meant a variety of methods.   A tariff on imported Mexico goods is a great way to recover them and Trump has talked about it.  Mexico charges us and others various imported taxes so why should we not.  Also getting Ford, Carrier, and other US mfg plants to  scrap plans is a plus.  There will be a push for others already their that make goods and high end products to move back here by making the cost of American mfg. much more competitive.  The race to the bottom as Ross Perot so astutely outlined back in 92 and 93 is going to start to reverse.

You got it and the ex president of Mexico just said no way are they going to pay for the wall.

[Valker]

[/quote]You got it and the ex president of Mexico just said no way are they going to pay for the wall.
[/quote]
They might if Trump reverses or does away away with NAFTA. They might pay for it to open the trade back up......

[Serk]