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« on: January 16, 2017, 07:50:13 PM »

This is just being announced, it could be and should be huge and (IMHO) long overdue but, here it is:

http://militaryadvantage.military.com/2017/01/millions-more-vets-to-be-able-to-shop-at-exchanges-online/

Millions More Vets to Be Able to Shop at Exchanges Online

Military Update: After two years of study and debate, the Department of Defense has made a policy change, effective next November, to allow 16 million honorably discharged veterans to shop online for discounted military exchange products.

Peter K. Levine, acting undersecretary of defense for personnel and readiness, signed a memorandum Wednesday announcing the benefit expansion, effective Veterans’ Day Nov. 11, and giving Congress the required 30 days’ notice before actions begin to implement the plan.

Months of preparation are needed to make e-shopping portals more robust and to allow the Defense Manpower Data Center (DMDC) time to create software for verifying veterans’ status using Department of Veterans Affairs records.

Several million vets already are eligible to shop in exchanges — on base or online — because they are active or reserve component retirees, or 100-percent disabled from service-connected injuries or ailments, or Medal of Honor recipients.

Thomas C. Shull, chief executive officer of the Army and Air Force Exchange Service, led a three-year quest to expand online exchange shopping to all honorably-discharged veterans with access to computers. It cited two reasons.

One was to reward their service with exchange product savings that, on average, will be near to 20 percent versus commercial department store prices when military exemption from state and local sales tax are considered too.

Shull’s other purpose was to increase exchange revenues to help offset troubling declines due to the drawdown of active duty forces, base closures and the end of military tobacco discounts for the higher priority of healthier populations.

The Navy, Marine Corps and Coast Guard exchange services joined Shull and AAFES in pushing for the shopping benefit expansion. They worked with Levine’s office and with resale board executives in refining the proposal.

The online benefit does not extend to veterans’ dependents, although spouses and family members theoretically could use the authorized customer’s log-in credentials, given the nature of an online shopping benefit.

Exchange officials project that expanding online shopping will result in $1.8 million in added annual fixed costs to handle the larger customer base. However, they also project added sales and revenue, which will more than offset any added operating or order-fulfillment costs. Higher net earnings are seen boosting exchange dividends to support on-base morale, welfare and recreational activities.

With DMDC verifying shopper identifies electronically, the department will not have to produce special identification cards. DMDC estimates that 13 percent of eligible veterans, primarily those who served before 1981 might not be in their data base when the shopping benefit becomes available. Presumably guidance will be issued for veterans who might have access problems initially.

Defense officials believe they have mitigated concerns previously raised on expanding the exchange benefit. These included worries it would dilute the benefit for currently authorized patrons, increase appropriated funding costs, reduce state and local tax revenues for civilian communities and harm commercial retailers.

An audit of public comments to earlier news articles on the plan showed 90 percent support for veterans online shopping. Also, the online benefit should have no impact need for taxpayer support of certain exchange operations. Total sales are expected to climb annually by from $185 million to $525 million. But that range is viewed as insignificant against $300 billion in online sales reported across the retail industry, thus muting complaints retailers.

The four exchange services are to maintain independent websites and separate online portals to the selection of goods they offer. But for verifying eligibility to shop, online shoppers might have a “common landing page.”

The business case for expanding the online benefit calls it “a low-risk, low-cost opportunity” to better fund morale, welfare and recreation programs and quality of life activities. It also notes that smaller percentages of recently discharged veterans are serving until retirement to qualify for base shopping, yet a higher proportion of them probably had multiple tours deployed, often to war.

The Veterans Online Shopping Benefit will help to recognize the contributions of all who served, the business case argues, while strengthening the online benefit to better serve current patrons. The veterans are expected to at least double exchanges’ online presence, which will help attract better terms from vendors, more competitive merchandise assortments and improved efficiencies.

Exchanges project $18 million to $72 million in new annual earnings when the online operation is fully matured. Half of the added earnings typically would be distributed as higher dividends to MWR programs, which have come under budget pressure as the services divert funds to more immediate readiness needs.

The Veterans Canteen Service, which sells products to veterans under authority of VA, is weighing the idea of establishing its own online retail presence. AAFES had reached out to the canteen service about a joint venture online, but the VCS opted to “go it alone,” according to AAFES documents. That is not seen as impacting the future success of the Veterans Online Shopping Benefit.

The four exchange services reached agreement last year on how to divide revenue from the online purchases, in part by using zip codes of buyers to estimate their service affiliations. They have been eyeing a “soft launch” of the expanded online benefit to segments of vets by mid-2017 to gauge demand and test system capabilities including the process to verify veteran status before the full launch.

The more highly prized commissary benefit isn’t being opened to all veterans. Current exchange patrons won’t see more store traffic and discounts for exchange shopping on base are expected to remain higher than savings online. These factors helped to persuade major military associations to back the initiative.

Proponents were anxious to see the initiative approved before the Obama administration ends Jan. 20 to avoid having to reargue its merits to new leaders.

Military exchanges acknowledge that they are losing sales to popular online sites such as Amazon, particularly as military patrons grow increasingly comfortable with using smart phones and tablets to shop.

Send comments to Military Update, P.O. Box 231111, Centreville, VA, 20120, email milupdate@aol.com or twitter: Tom Philpott @Military_Update.

 cooldude  I think this is an excellent start.   I don't have a base exchange near me and wouldn't go to one anyway if it weren't close but, this could rival Walmart or Amazon in time.   There's a lot of us out there.
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« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2017, 03:45:42 AM »

That's cool. I will look forward to have another place to comparison shop.
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« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2017, 04:51:06 AM »

That's cool. I will look forward to have another place to comparison shop.

Agreed.   This will be an option that could and IMHO, should provide Veterans with options.
I wonder (and this is not mentioned in the article) if this will work like most internet out of state transactions and sales tax not applied.   
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« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2017, 07:07:21 AM »

This is due to a reduced force and under utilization of facilities.  I saw this last year at Moody AFB in south Georgia where they opened up the golf course to the general public as well as a recreational area (Grassy Pond) in the south end of the county.  This is located at exit #5 just before you get to Florida, as well as a nice lake for fishing, they have cabins and full camping sites.  I assume they are doing this at other bases too, use it or lose it.
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« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2017, 07:42:45 AM »

That's cool. I will look forward to have another place to comparison shop.

Agreed.   This will be an option that could and IMHO, should provide Veterans with options.
I wonder (and this is not mentioned in the article) if this will work like most internet out of state transactions and sales tax not applied.   
It's been a long time, but I don't remember them collecting tax anywhere.
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« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2017, 08:10:34 AM »

Way cool. What took em so long? RIDE SAFE.
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« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2017, 08:13:11 AM »

I've never heard of military exchanges.  What kinds of things do they sell?  Surplus equipment?
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« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2017, 08:25:43 AM »

I've never heard of military exchanges.  What kinds of things do they sell?  Surplus equipment?
            When I was in-60s-the Navy Exchange was where you shopped for food and what not. A precursor to wally wurld. And prices were lower than civvy wurld. And NO taxes. RIDE SAFE.
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« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2017, 08:48:48 AM »

I've never heard of military exchanges.  What kinds of things do they sell?  Surplus equipment?
Its been decades, but I don't imagine they've changed that much. It depends highly on the location what they sell. But in a nutshell, it is a big general store. Very similar to many in your neck of the woods, but much bigger in general. I've only been to less than a dozen of them. I've seen just about anything you would want except for motorized vehicles. The one in Subic Bay probably had the national sales for cigarettes and liquor. The one at Elmendorf probably had record sales for guns, ammo, food. They had a retail meat operation that has dwarfed anything I've seen in my life. It was a great thing for young military families. But like all government spending it has its drawbacks. I doubt they come close to competing with Walmart nowadays.
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« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2017, 09:05:49 AM »

I've never heard of military exchanges.  What kinds of things do they sell?  Surplus equipment?

They are like a combination Walmart, Home Depot, Sears department store.  Everything for the military family; clothes, sports gear, furniture, appliances, cooking and tableware, home and garden, lawnmowers, small hand and power tool section, small auto section, jewelry, watches, computers, TVs stereos, cameras.  They usually stocked a couple higher end nice ladies clothing lines, fancy china and crystal, and more recently small gun stores (I'll bet that doesn't go on-line).  

My experiences during service and after was that while you pay no taxes, many of the prices were pretty close to what you would pay at (best price) off base locations (and their sales).  A number of  things like Jockey underwear and Levi brand were always cheaper on base, and they would get bulk buys on select item cameras, electronics, yada, that beat everyone (similar to Costco).  But carefully price shopping, many things could be found cheaper off-base (or Amazon), even including being tax free.  

And, there was a widely held belief among us military, that some outfits like Levi tended to send the base exchange system all their seconds in bulk shipping.  Every so often you got something that was not right, though returns were easy and painless.  

IE, it's not a panacea for great savings across the board as it was in the old days.  Still, if you needed a pile of stuff, you always could count on coming out with a better deal than running all over town to a bunch of different stores to get the same stuff.

The nice thing about (most) base exchanges was it was minutes away from all base housing, and provided a lot of jobs to military dependents who get uprooted and moved around every couple years.

When you get close to DC, Pentagon and HQ military, the local exchanges had some really high end men's lines of suits, shoes, and dress up stuff for very good prices (Ft Belvior even had a branch of London Tailor, with real imported British staff (LOL) where you could get custom worsted wool suits made for you at around half to a third the prices you would pay anywhere else.  But that stuff is not offered at the run of the mill exchanges around the country.

What I miss is the three dollar haircuts, but the local base barber is up to about ten bucks now.  And this is not long hair styling.  You can get boot camp, or quarter inch, or half inch cuts, and after AIDS, they will not shave your neck and ears (whitewalls) anymore.
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« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2017, 10:23:17 AM »

You can get boot camp, or quarter inch, or half inch cuts, and after AIDS, they will not shave your neck and ears (whitewalls) anymore.

What?  No more Whitewalls?  Totally unacceptable!!   

Actually, I should get charged less, I've got less hair to cut.  Wink

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« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2017, 10:46:44 AM »

I am free.... in that I clip my own hair.

I booger up the back some, cutting by feel only.  But that's OK, I can't see back there anyway.

I need a cut right now.  But I do it outside (mess), and it's nippy out there for a shirtless cut.
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« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2017, 12:52:31 PM »

I am free.... in that I clip my own hair.

I booger up the back some, cutting by feel only.  But that's OK, I can't see back there anyway.

I need a cut right now.  But I do it outside (mess), and it's nippy out there for a shirtless cut.
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« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2017, 02:32:26 PM »

Wow.  A haircut and a blow job.   cooldude

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« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2017, 06:07:40 PM »

Wow.  A haircut and a blow job.   cooldude


It's the best I can hope for these days.  2funny
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« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2017, 07:45:44 PM »

Wow.  A haircut and a blow job.   cooldude


It's the best I can hope for these days.  2funny

Well, besides the haircut, this is the closest I can come. (I have better hats)
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« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2017, 08:01:04 PM »

Headware sortta looks like the flying nun. uglystupid2
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« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2017, 08:03:42 PM »

I am free.... in that I clip my own hair.

I booger up the back some, cutting by feel only.  But that's OK, I can't see back there anyway.

I need a cut right now.  But I do it outside (mess), and it's nippy out there for a shirtless cut.

I have been cutting my own hair some 20+ years now after I realized is a waste to spend money on a tiny haircut every 2-3 months or so.  If can find one,  get a electric trimmer/haircutter with a fan with built in container built in to catch the hair clippings, NO MESS do it in my bathroom sink using a hand held small mirror standing facing away from the bathroom mirror trimming back of my neck looking into the small mirror.  Then, just use the 3/4" to 1/2" clip on attachment to get an easy 10-15 total minute cut.  

Haircut pricing of over 10 bucks is such a waste of money.  Cry  Ever since haircuts went over 5 bucks way back in the 90's,  I decided I can do it just as good what little hair I have I can trim myself and still do a decent job easy enough.  
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« Reply #18 on: January 18, 2017, 09:49:09 AM »

This is cool..but..  The base exchange was never any cheaper than Walmart.  In same cases it was more.  Over my USAF years I used the base stores very little, well, except the package store..  I bought plenty of cases of beer back in the day.  It's nice to have the option though. 
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« Reply #19 on: January 18, 2017, 10:43:17 AM »

except the package store

Yes, you don't get Class 6, or any other of many MWR services on-base.  This deal lets you order BX/PX stuff to your home online (only), no base access is being provided.  Since 911 really, base security is already overworked, everywhere.  And largely now privatized in the DC region.  Good active duty troops are needed elsewhere.
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