climate change

[Wizzard]

Lol,, the climate change stuff on the govt. website went dark

[Serk]

Yeah, there are many melting snowflakes about this today:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/01/20/trump-s-whitehouse-gov-disappears-civil-rights-climate-change-lgbt-rights.html

[Willow]

Yeah, there are many melting snowflakes about this today:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/01/20/trump-s-whitehouse-gov-disappears-civil-rights-climate-change-lgbt-rights.html 

Wow!  What a hostile article.  They did mention in passing that Obama made changes his first day in office but only detailed in objection what changes Mr.Trump has initiated.

It does appear the presidency has indeed changed.   

[old2soon]

Donald J. Trump-current POTUS may have been all smiles when talkin to zero but he Might have been thinkin-don't let the door hit ya where the Good LORD split ya!  RIDE SAFE.

[Mobile Mayor]

Hip, hip,YALHOORAAAAAAAAA!
!

[..]

In with the new and out with the old.

[Oss]

Understand the new EPA nominee believes there has been climate change but unable to say humans have caused it

That works for me as the SUN is the primary cause of all climate change in the first place with volcanic action the 2nd.

What concerns me is the POLLUTION of water and air and land caused by industry and the failure of societies the world over to treat or recycle their human and other waste

To me that is far more dangerous than whether we added to a greenhouse gas.

Lets see what direction EPA takes in the coming months.

[..]

At the stroke of noon on inauguration day the old was removed and replaced by the new

https://www.whitehouse.gov/

[0leman]

Understand the new EPA nominee believes there has been climate change but unable to say humans have caused it

That works for me as the SUN is the primary cause of all climate change in the first place with volcanic action the 2nd.

What concerns me is the POLLUTION of water and air and land caused by industry and the failure of societies the world over to treat or recycle their human and other waste

To me that is far more dangerous than whether we added to a greenhouse gas.

Lets see what direction EPA takes in the coming months.

Couldn't agree with you MORE.   I have not heard/read any good description on how the so called scientist  have been able to tell the difference in Natural warming (which as been happening since the Little Ice age several hundred year ago) and the contributions of man.   All the so called scientist that have be quoted by media have used the UN computer models in saying that man will cause huge warming in the future.  Models that haven't been verified. 

Glad one of Trump's first act was to take that site down.

[Oss]

I could get behind a USA initiative to use our ingenuity to help clean the planet by actually EMPLOYING people here and around the world while making water safer to drink and plastics and toxins removed from the oceans.

Would rather see the EPA also as a force for progressive industry much as NASA was an engine that advanced science and progress in many areas.   The two should not be mutually exclusive

[Patrick]

That works for me as the SUN is the primary cause of all climate change in the first place with volcanic action the 2nd.

What concerns me is the POLLUTION of water and air and land caused by industry and the failure of societies the world over to treat or recycle their human and other waste

To me that is far more dangerous than whether we added to a greenhouse gas.

Lets see what direction EPA takes in the coming months.
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I agree

[Patrick]

Couldn't agree with you MORE.   I have not heard/read any good description on how the so called scientist  have been able to tell the difference in Natural warming (which as been happening since the Little Ice age several hundred year ago) and the contributions of man.   All the so called scientist that have be quoted by media have used the UN computer models in saying that man will cause huge warming in the future.  Models that haven't been verified. 

Glad one of Trump's first act was to take that site down.
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I agree. Weather history kinda says it all.  I don't think those 'professional' computer model predictions have ever been correct. Seems like 'garbage in garbage out' to me.

[Mobile Mayor]

What Oss said.  We waste too many of our resources without consideration of their residual value.  Glass, to the landfull. steel, to the landfill.Aluminum,  lead, and countless other resources are squandered because the big money managers do not want to bare the expense recycling. I remember as a youth (65 now), gathering soda bottles from roadside ditches. little wagons, of bottles were taken the the local grocery, and redeemed for % .05 each.  I also did the same with beer bottles, but had to wait was going to the distributor to redeem them. I made  enough to pretty much pay for my wants as a 14-15 yr. old.  The practice of recycling in not used today simply because money management has deemed it unpractical.  Environmental pundits have created a screwed up system that able to support itself.  Mandatory recycling of valuable nonrenewable resources would itself create an economic subculture dependent on the same thing that I experienced as a kid. If it is'nt done, the time will come when business will be mining old landfills in search  of scarce resources.

[Moonshot_1]

Climate Change and environmental stewardship are not the same thing.

Everyone is for clean water and clean air. Making things more economically feasible to profitably recycle and reuse is an absolute stellar goal. Reduce our need for more and more landfill space.

Climate Change is a whole different thing. It is more of a cultish belief system, politically driven, to support a "green" energy industry that would be unable to survive without such beliefs.

The science is hardly settled. The fact that a simple, valid challenge of Climate Change brings down a hail storm of politically motivated opposition is the first red flag.

The fact is that the science community as well as the public in general should always invite challenges to any theory. Those who challenge the Climate Change data do so with data that is just as valid and deserving of consideration.

When this is attempted the push back is so hard as to condemn anyone for even thinking Climate Change may be overblown or totally mistaken.

The driving issue is whether or not mankind's industriousness is to blame for Global Warming and Climate Change.

First we must question the very premise of Global Warming and the context of which we are discussing it.
What do we consider the normal, optimal temperature of the Earth to be?
How do we determine that norm?
Is it possible that if the data shows we are warming, is the Earth warming to the norm?

How do we assess the origin of the causes of the warming?
What % of all the causes are of Human activity?
What % of all the causes are of natural activity?

I could go on with this for quite a while. But simply put, this needs to be discussed and researched in an arena where no one gets to wear political blinders. No one. Ever.

The simple fact is that blaming Global Climate Change on Human industriousness is not possible as long as the Earth continues to produce more greenhouse gasses than Human industriousness ever possibly could.
Doesn't mean we don't have a responsibility to be good stewards of the big blue ball. We do.

But it makes no sense to base a country's economic and industrial model on a fantasy, and flawed one at that, that says we can stop a global change in the climate when we can't control the volcanoes, earthquakes and other geothermal outputs which affect the actual global climate.

[Gavin_Sons]

It's Obamas fault. Oh man, that feels great to finally get out after 8 years. 

[Jess from VA]

it makes no sense to base a country's economic and industrial model on a fantasy,

Or indeed, on several of them..... and all simply bullsh!t.

[baldo]

Lol,, the climate change stuff on the govt. website went dark

I don't see the humor.

[Gavin_Sons]

Lol,, the climate change stuff on the govt. website went dark

I don't see the humor.

I do because it is BS. They make all these claims with no hard evidence. I'm sure humans do not help but I also do not think it is as extensive as these so called scientists claim. Show me hard evidence and I might change my view. Like they said the polar ice caps are melting when in reality they are growing. 20 years ago it was talk about a mini ice age coming now it's global warming (climate change). Wait a few years and it will be another ice age.

[..]

Lol,, the climate change stuff on the govt. website went dark

I don't see the humor.

 

[therapist]

Maybe this will help.

http://www.dummies.com/education/science/environmental-science/global-warming-for-dummies-cheat-sheet/

[..]

Maybe this will help.

http://www.dummies.com/education/science/environmental-science/global-warming-for-dummies-cheat-sheet/

How many of these do you do?

Sold your bike yet? Oh no can't sell it another nasty polluting human may use it.

Sold your car? Oh no can't sell it another nasty polluting human may use it.

Cut yourself off from the power grid?

Stopped using HVAC?

Growing your own food so you don't have to buy anything that's been transported.



There's more but like many the hypocrisy is obvious.

[old2soon]

Far as recycling my Dad and Ross and I were well ahead of our time. Course then we were known as junk men. Newspaper-metals-and even cotton rags back then-late 50s early 60s. AWAYS had folding money in my pocket as a kid. Yeah-that water pollution thing WILL/HAS get/gotten serious. I am NOT any kind of science guy but a word I heard from a science guy makes sense to me far as the weather thing goes. Word he used was-cyclical. RIDE SAFE.

[Bronxboy]

It is all focused on raising money, principally by scaring potential contributors with bogus scientific claims and predictions of a global apocalypse" Sort of like an example of "art imitating life."

[Gavin_Sons]

Maybe this will help.

http://www.dummies.com/education/science/environmental-science/global-warming-for-dummies-cheat-sheet/

Must have to be a dummy to believe that 

[Bighead]

Well it was the Dummies.com website

[Gavin_Sons]

Well it was the Dummies.com website

Exactly my point

[Jess from VA]

It is all focused on raising money, principally by scaring potential contributors with bogus scientific claims and predictions of a global apocalypse" Sort of like an example of "art imitating life."

It's much more than raising money (though that is a big part).  Very much like Zerocare, it comes as a big tax (mainly on business, industry and employers) (in addition to all other taxes) but with tens of thousands of implementing regulations, that reach into as many aspects of daily life as possible (reward this, punish that).  And all those controls are collectively used to push every single aspect of socialism as far as possible (often far afield from either healthcare or pollution).  

In essence, these giant Dem programs are about control of all human life, and thought.  In perfect Democratic socialism, we will all be good units of production and consumption acting only for the common good (only as defined by the govt/party).  With cradle to grave G controls, and control of all education and universities, after a few generations, we will do so willingly and happily.  Thus the constant attacks from the left on all other strong belief systems, like religion, or the family unit, or national patriotism, or individuality, and esp the 2d amendment.  

If you think of the Star Trek Borg...... that is the democratic party final solution for all of us.

You will all be.... assimilated.

Thus my natural instinct to strongly resist each and every thing I ever hear come out of their (lying) mouths.

It also appears to me that large numbers of people have already been assimilated (especially the young).

[Robert]

Jess very well put and accurate 

I also want to note the they use the arctic ice cap as a sign of what global warming is doing. But of course now they find out that one of the biggest underwater volcanoes is more than likely the reason. So another lie is shot down.

[Savago]

Well, I visited the Glacier National Park in 2015.

The ranger told us that in 1919 there were around 150 glaciers in the park (and it was a common activity to ski in the glaciers).

2 years ago, it seems that there were 20-30 left (not absolutely sure about the numbers here, maybe it was even less). All the others melted.

And he mentioned that in probably another 5 years, there will be probably left 5 glaciers. I even joked if they plan to change the name of the park to 'No-glacier National Park' in 10 years.
:-P

That being said, I recall that when I was a kid, the winters were longer and colder than they are in this days. Again, no scientific data, but then I'm not an environment scientist.

What those scientists all agree is that we have to take care of the environment and watch for the future generations, as it is common sense.

Heck! Ted Roosevelt was a pragmatic guy and as tough as nails and helped to create lots of National Parks to protect the American beauty for future generations.

I think you can protect the environment and have good economy, they are not exclusive of each other.

[old2soon]

It is all focused on raising money, principally by scaring potential contributors with bogus scientific claims and predictions of a global apocalypse" Sort of like an example of "art imitating life."

It's much more than raising money (though that is a big part).  Very much like Zerocare, it comes as a big tax (mainly on business, industry and employers) (in addition to all other taxes) but with tens of thousands of implementing regulations, that reach into as many aspects of daily life as possible (reward this, punish that).  And all those controls are collectively used to push every single aspect of socialism as far as possible (often far afield from either healthcare or pollution).  

In essence, these giant Dem programs are about control of all human life, and thought.  In perfect Democratic socialism, we will all be good units of production and consumption acting only for the common good (only as defined by the govt/party).  With cradle to grave G controls, and control of all education and universities, after a few generations, we will do so willingly and happily.  Thus the constant attacks from the left on all other strong belief systems, like religion, or the family unit, or national patriotism, or individuality, and esp the 2d amendment.  

If you think of the Star Trek Borg...... that is the democratic party final solution for all of us.

You will all be.... assimilated.

Thus my natural instinct to strongly resist each and every thing I ever hear come out of their (lying) mouths.

It also appears to me that large numbers of people have already been assimilated (especially the young).

              Borg hell-Matrix. RIDE SAFE.

[bscrive]

I have to agree so much.  Unfortunately, the idiot politicians up here are running with the 'we must save the planet bullsh!t'.  Politicians are only for saving the planet if they can make money from it.  Like we can do anything to stop global warming.  The freakin planet has been warming up since the last freakin ice age!!!!

Our dumba$$ Ontario premier, Kathrine Wynne, just added 4.3 cents/L to help fight climate change.  Where is this money going...to a special fund to help fight climate change....noooooo, it is going into the general coffers.  Ya, that will help the planet.  

They also spent billions of dollars giving out lucrative contracts for wind and solar farms and paying to hook up those farms to the electricity grid.  The problem is that when these stupid farms produce the most energy is when we don't need it.  So, we pay out 20 cent/kwh for the power and then sell off the excess that we can't use to the USA for 6 cent/kwh.  Great deal for you guys, but we pay through our butts for electricity to give it away.  Then they have the gall to cut off the working poor because they can't afford to pay their electricity bill.  

The real stupid thing is that they could have forgone these electricity farms and just bought their power from Quebec for 6 cents/kwh, but they were afraid of loosing that power if Quebec ever left Canada.  What a bunch of morons.  Even on the most remote chance that Quebec were to ever separate they would still need to sell the power to make money.

I cannot believe how stupid she is and we are for voting her in.  Especially, when the last liberal gov't wasted so much of our money on scandals.

Next, our dumba$$ prime minister will make sure Canada is not a place to do business when he jacks all the federal taxes up to pay for their stupid 'save the planet bullsh!t'.  Freakin liberals will be the end of us.

[Pappy!]

Lol,, the climate change stuff on the govt. website went dark

I don't see the humor.

Uh.....that's because it went dark!  

[JimC]

I am not one that will say that mankind has not changed climate at all, but recent studies have proven that most of the change is not man made, and that the climate has been changing up and down since records have been kept.

I stopped believing in the left's climate change hoax when I read that the polluters could buy credits from the newly formed coalition in order to continue their ways. That makes me think that all along it was (is) nothing but a hoax intended to build up the  "one world order".

All you have to do is FOLLOW THE MONEY!

Jim

[Alpha Dog]

Understand the new EPA nominee believes there has been climate change but unable to say humans have caused it

That works for me as the SUN is the primary cause of all climate change in the first place with volcanic action the 2nd.

What concerns me is the POLLUTION of water and air and land caused by industry and the failure of societies the world over to treat or recycle their human and other waste

To me that is far more dangerous than whether we added to a greenhouse gas.

Lets see what direction EPA takes in the coming months.

Couldn't agree with you MORE.   I have not heard/read any good description on how the so called scientist  have been able to tell the difference in Natural warming (which as been happening since the Little Ice age several hundred year ago) and the contributions of man.   All the so called scientist that have be quoted by media have used the UN computer models in saying that man will cause huge warming in the future.  Models that haven't been verified. 

Glad one of Trump's first act was to take that site down.

I totally resemble these remarks.  Earth is constantly going through periods which generally have a little more warming ( life is easier in the warming times and crops flourish ) or a little more cooling and in time another ice age is sure to hit as has been the cycle for the past several million years.  The Sun ( which is always getting hotter as it ages ) is the main driving force, just common sense, volcanos, ocean currents that change as continents drift closer and further apart, and trillions of of other factors and to assume we know what is going on is through computer models is laughable.

Totally agree to find ways to clean up the pollution and find real energy sources that do not pollute, and I do think this will come in time, but not if the world leaders use energy to keep us enslaved.  Man will evolve faster and for tremendously more people when energy becomes free or close to it.