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No matter what Trump does the Democrats will oppose any and all decisions. All they are doing is putting coal in his boiler. Watching what has transpired since he took office from people on the other side is rediculous. I can't see any of this type of defiance ever being productive or in the best interest of citizens of the U.S.A.
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« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2017, 01:19:08 PM » |
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No matter what Trump does the Democrats will oppose any and all decisions. All they are doing is putting coal in his boiler. Watching what has transpired since he took office from people on the other side is rediculous. I can't see any of this type of defiance ever being productive or in the best interest of citizens of the U.S.A.
I completely agree. Especially for the last eight years.....extremely counterproductive.
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« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2017, 01:21:25 PM » |
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I dont disagree, they have lost their minds, its not even reasonable at this point. I think the greatest example of this whole thing is the black congressman who thinks its acceptable and art to have a black kid make a picture of cops depicted as pigs and have it on display at congress.
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« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2017, 01:35:54 PM » |
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I will say this after seeing the behavior of the left during and after this election I think I will be hard right forever
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« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2017, 01:50:45 PM » |
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Both sides are missing the big picture here. The Democrats more so than Republicans as the Republicans are just now starting to see the light and become bold.
Trump ran on the Republican ticket. He didn't really run as a Republican. In this precise moment in our History, a time where we are about as politically divided as can be, we have a President that is not really beholden to any political party, has no use for the conventional political capital, and is an experienced negotiator.
Both parties can use this to move, not their party, but the country forward and tackle some of the most politically toxic issues of our day.
In this vein, Trump would be politically expendable and I really don't think Trump would care if it got the job done.
I don't believe Trump would have any political issue working with either party in legitimate efforts to get things done. There would be debate, disagreement, and negotiation, but the opportunity to make this happen is here.
But instead of seizing the opportunity, the Democrats act like spoiled kids demanding an alternate reality.
It is disheartening to see the brass ring right in front of their noses and they reject it and in doing that, the country as well.
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« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2017, 04:33:05 PM » |
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Moonshot_1 I totally agree with you. That is exactly what I have been trying to tell people. Trump is more of a Independent than anything else. If Trump is out for himself then the people will know it and he won't last a year. But I do think that if both the Democrats and/or the Republicans come up with a good cause for the country then Trump will back them. This is a chance for both sides to do some good.
Thanks, David in NC.
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« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2017, 05:01:06 PM » |
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This is a chance for both sides to do some good. end quote
I agree. But I don't think it'll happen. I think it'll take more than this to change our partisan politics. I'm hoping I'm wrong.
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« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2017, 05:08:41 PM » |
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Liberals have a grand plan and it is not in America's best interest. Most of them are not wanting to work for America. They are after power. A poor America will help Libs divide us into needy and discriminated groups, that they promise to help as long as we vote for them.
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« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2017, 05:09:54 PM » |
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What's disheartening is to hear (read) someone excusing his own wrong behavior by saying that someone else did it first.
If it's wrong; if it's destructive it is so whether you are the first second or one hundred twenty-third to do so.
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« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2017, 07:49:23 PM » |
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What's disheartening is to hear (read) someone excusing his own wrong behavior by saying that someone else did it first.
If it's wrong; if it's destructive it is so whether you are the first second or one hundred twenty-third to do so.
I agree, but it's time to call out the kettle. The conservatives here act are acting all saintly like THEY never did the same - they pretty much brought it to the current, modern level during Obama - and then come here, playing all victim with Trump? Sorry, not going to roll over for that one.
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« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2017, 08:13:21 PM » |
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What's disheartening is to hear (read) someone excusing his own wrong behavior by saying that someone else did it first.
If it's wrong; if it's destructive it is so whether you are the first second or one hundred twenty-third to do so.
I agree, but it's time to call out the kettle. The conservatives here act are acting all saintly like THEY never did the same - they pretty much brought it to the current, modern level during Obama - and then come here, playing all victim with Trump? Sorry, not going to roll over for that one. Bullshit. It is incorrect for a conservative to generalize what a few liberals have done to say that liberals do ... It's just as wrong for a liberal to generalize what a few conservatives had done to apply to all conservatives. I for one and most of our members in general can say that I never did "the same." You, my friend, cannot. As I said I repeat. If it was wrong for one person to do it it's wrong for any person. It doesn't matter whether you were first, second, or one hundred twenty-third.
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« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2017, 05:59:27 AM » |
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I think its time for the leadership of both parties to be brought down. I'm tired of all the insulting and name calling. I want facts and truth, if you can only defend your position by calling the other side names then you have no credibility. If you can't at least try to understand what the other person is saying then your an idiot, I don't care which side you lean to.
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« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2017, 06:38:32 AM » |
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No matter what Trump does the Democrats will oppose any and all decisions. All they are doing is putting coal in his boiler. Watching what has transpired since he took office from people on the other side is rediculous. I can't see any of this type of defiance ever being productive or in the best interest of citizens of the U.S.A.
I completely agree. Especially for the last eight years.....extremely counterproductive. Hussein set the stage for that all by himself. Worst leader we've ever had in recent history. His ramming of the ACA with ZERO input by the other party laid the tracks for how the train was going to go forward. He didn't reach across the aisle on anything. He publicly denounced the the other party, called them terrorists and said they were holding the country hostage, etc, etc. He never even actually sat down with republicans to even try negotiations (because he is NOT a negotiator). And then you blame the other side for not working with him?
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« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2017, 06:44:40 AM » |
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Liberals have a grand plan and it is not in America's best interest. Most of them are not wanting to work for America. They are after power. A poor America will help Libs divide us into needy and discriminated groups, that they promise to help as long as we vote for them.
Yup!!! As evident by this moron, Corey Booker. Another Democrat do nothing. Unaccomplished like most of them. 2 days into the new administration he's already setting himself up as a Dem candidate. You'll see, he'll do nothing but obstruct, continuing his lack of accomplishments, and then get the nod. His crap over the next 4 years will be based on keeping us divided and he'll blame the division on Republican racism and that's what he'll run on.
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« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2017, 06:51:47 AM » |
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What's disheartening is to hear (read) someone excusing his own wrong behavior by saying that someone else did it first.
If it's wrong; if it's destructive it is so whether you are the first second or one hundred twenty-third to do so.
I agree, but it's time to call out the kettle. The conservatives here act are acting all saintly like THEY never did the same - they pretty much brought it to the current, modern level during Obama - and then come here, playing all victim with Trump? Sorry, not going to roll over for that one. On what issue did Hussein actually sit down with anyone on the other side to hammer out a deal that both were able to agree on. NEVER. That ACA summit was even complete B/S. Nothing changed within the bill and he even accused them of bringing props to the meeting by actually printing out the 2,700 pages of the bill. A lousy leader with no negotiation skills, more evident by the Iran deal, Putin, Syria, the ACA, and everything else. THAT'S why nothing got done, because the top guy was a bad leader. He didn't even try.
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« Reply #15 on: February 02, 2017, 07:02:50 AM » |
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No matter what Trump does the Democrats will oppose any and all decisions. All they are doing is putting coal in his boiler. Watching what has transpired since he took office from people on the other side is rediculous. I can't see any of this type of defiance ever being productive or in the best interest of citizens of the U.S.A.
I completely agree. Especially for the last eight years..... extremely counterproductive. Sorry but that doesn't fly. The Repubs brought over 300 bills to the Senate and lame brain Reid(sp) refused to bring them up for discussion. You can't tell me that ALL of the bills proffered were of no value.
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« Reply #16 on: February 02, 2017, 07:04:05 AM » |
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No matter what Trump does the Democrats will oppose any and all decisions. All they are doing is putting coal in his boiler. Watching what has transpired since he took office from people on the other side is rediculous. I can't see any of this type of defiance ever being productive or in the best interest of citizens of the U.S.A.
I completely agree. Especially for the last eight years.....extremely counterproductive. Hussein set the stage for that all by himself. Worst leader we've ever had in recent history. His ramming of the ACA with ZERO input by the other party laid the tracks for how the train was going to go forward. He didn't reach across the aisle on anything. He publicly denounced the the other party, called them terrorists and said they were holding the country hostage, etc, etc. He never even actually sat down with republicans to even try negotiations (because he is NOT a negotiator). And then you blame the other side for not working with him? WOW, talk about 'seeing' things from another perspective..... But, in deference to the good of the group, I ain't going there....
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« Reply #17 on: February 02, 2017, 08:49:52 AM » |
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Whats done is done. This going back and blaming each other is pointless. It drives use farther apart. Trump is not beholding to anybody. Both Democrats and Republicans can take advantage of that to do some good.
Thanks, David in Fletcher NC
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« Reply #18 on: February 02, 2017, 09:04:29 AM » |
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No matter what Trump does the Democrats will oppose any and all decisions. All they are doing is putting coal in his boiler. Watching what has transpired since he took office from people on the other side is rediculous. I can't see any of this type of defiance ever being productive or in the best interest of citizens of the U.S.A.
I completely agree. Especially for the last eight years.....extremely counterproductive. Hussein set the stage for that all by himself. Worst leader we've ever had in recent history. His ramming of the ACA with ZERO input by the other party laid the tracks for how the train was going to go forward. He didn't reach across the aisle on anything. He publicly denounced the the other party, called them terrorists and said they were holding the country hostage, etc, etc. He never even actually sat down with republicans to even try negotiations (because he is NOT a negotiator). And then you blame the other side for not working with him? WOW, talk about 'seeing' things from another perspective..... But, in deference to the good of the group, I ain't going there.... Ahem. You just did. 
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