Immigrant over here: the other side of the story

[Savago]

@3fan4life

What you said:
1) Immigrants come here via the legal process................ Agreed!
2) People immigrating here are doing so with the intent of becoming productive citizens........ Agreed!
3) They are willing to subscribed to and live by the following: .......... Agreed!

I would even add a few other things:
4) Study American history.
5) Understand the values of American culture.
6) Truly integrate in the society (unlike what happens in Europe i.e. 'something' neighborhood where people don't even bother to speak the country's language).

Concerning the Brazilian law: visiting Americans must have a visa (just like here) and will be deported if entering the country illegally.

This is associated to the concept of sovereignty and I honestly believe US should do the same (i.e. deport illegals, specially if convicted felons).

@meathead
Let me know the day, you will be my guest.
:-)

[bulldog620]

Geez, come on guys, take a breath!!!

[Robert]

Savago

Because of your personal skill set, opportunities have opened up in this country, some that have not been available before to anyone outside the country. The laws under Obama have changed and made it more favorable for companies to hire foreign workers. With the end goal of becoming US citizens through corporate sponsorship. But this is a tactic that allows US companies to pay foreign workers less than they would pay to US workers doing the same job.

While it does not have to do with you directly you benefited from the change in laws, which I would do the same as you. This is not a judgement on you at all and I would love to ride with you.  and hope your Valkyrie is finally running well.

 
This is a much bigger story of the US played out in real time and lives with corporations greed, and open boarders policies. There is a deeper divide in this country over immigration in general and what I believe is exactly the way you got here. It is about our government (yours and mine) bowing to corporate pressure to remove boarders and make the US worker take less in salary. Obama did not value the US as a president and did not keep the US safe and the benefits here.

Your ambition and drive is what got you here that is to your credit, Yet that should be what the kids in the US have. Not to mention tech companies have been able to keep alot of money to themselves instead of paying US wages to US citizens and establishing programs to train US citizens to fill these positions. They have lobbied the government and Obama to change laws that protect US citizens and keep jobs here in the US.

Apple is a prime example of this especially since they have saved billions in taxes that should have been paid the the US by carefully organizing a tax structure that avoids paying the US tax. 


http://www.foxbusiness.com/features/2016/03/01/disney-workers-forced-to-train-their-foreign-replacements.html
A former Disney (DIS) employee is speaking out about U.S. companies hiring foreign workers with H1-B visas, at lower wages, to replace U.S. workers.

“The foreign workers that replaced the hundreds of us here in Orlando, and Anaheim, were just flown in weeks before,” former Disney IT employee Leo Perrero told the FOX Business Network’s Stuart Varney.
Published March 01, 2016



http://origin-www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-01-22/obama-immigration-reform-h-b1-visas-and-silicon-valley
Obama, Immigration and Silicon Valley
The Immigration Innovation Act - which increases the cap on H-1B Visas from 65,000 to 115,000, eliminates per-country limits on visa petitioners and lets spouses of H-1B visa holders work - came out of conversations with corporate tech leaders.

 These 2,000 U.S. companies prefer foreign workers over Americans
http://www.wnd.com/2016/11/2000-u-s-companies-prefer-foreign-workers-over-americans/

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/03/23/obama-to-expand-visa-program-allowing-foreign-workers-to-displace-americans-for-third-world-wages/
My administration is going to reform the L-1B visa category, which allows corporations to temporarily move workers from a foreign office to a U.S. office in a faster, simpler way. And this could benefit hundreds of thousands of nonimmigrant workers and their employers; that, in turn, will benefit our entire economy and spur additional investment,” Obama told an applauding audience at the Gaylord National Convention Center in National Harbor, Maryland.

[3fan4life]

@3fan4life

What you said:
1) Immigrants come here via the legal process................ Agreed!
2) People immigrating here are doing so with the intent of becoming productive citizens........ Agreed!
3) They are willing to subscribed to and live by the following: .......... Agreed!

I would even add a few other things:
4) Study American history.
5) Understand the values of American culture.
6) Truly integrate in the society (unlike what happens in Europe i.e. 'something' neighborhood where people don't even bother to speak the country's language).

Concerning the Brazilian law: visiting Americans must have a visa (just like here) and will be deported if entering the country illegally.

This is associated to the concept of sovereignty and I honestly believe US should do the same (i.e. deport illegals, specially if convicted felons).

@meathead
Let me know the day, you will be my guest.
:-)

I cannot disagree with a  thing.

Your story is what the American dream is all about.

We are a nation of immigrants and we all benefit from the culture that most bring with them.

Where would we be without St Patricks Day?

But the ultimate goal of every immigrant should be to fully intergrate into American society.

Unfortunately, there are far too many that come here with the intent to destroy our society not benefit it.

I wish that every immigrant coming here had the same outlook as you!     

[3fan4life]

Well you just haven't been paying attention. Or maybe you are selective in what you want to believe. I will try to clear it up for you. This thread was about said subject. Read my opinions and then tell me what you think.
http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,92074.40.html

I haven't forgotten.

And I am in full agreement with your statements here:

One thing is for sure,, what we have now is NOT working.
Almost all countries in the world do not treat illegal border crossings as we do.
It's a drain on society and an insult to those who did it legally.

What we have now does work to a certain extent. Just not well enough. It is an insult to those who immigrated legally .
 My take on fixing illegal immigration is multi fold .
1) We must crack down on employers and people who hire them. Many people enjoy having cheap maids, cheap landscapers, cheap construction workers. Make it hurt to the people who use them. Heavy fines and even jail time would deter much of it. Contrary to what some think, most of the illegal immigrants come here for the work. Not to suck up welfare.
2) Do away with sanctuary cities. If a city decides to go that route, then cut off ALL federal funding of any sort.
3) Track people more thoroughly here on visas. If they overstay, lock them up for a determined amount of time and deport them.
4) When an illegal immigrant is detained or found out, lock them up for a determined amount of time and deport them. If they come back and are caught again the punishment gets progressively more intense.
5) Punish coyotes who bring them across to the max.

My point is that it seems to me that you are waffling a little bit.

I'm thinking that either you enjoy arguing or you just enjoy disagreeing with President Trump.

Otherwise, I'm at a loss to undestand how you agree that we need to control immigration but aren't in favor of his attempt to do so.

And no I haven't forgotten that you said this:

Anyone that wishes to go through the loopholes and come here legally, and become an American (Not a Something-American, but just an American) I welcome as a friend and brother.

One thing to keep in mind on the recent order is that, even if it were allowed to stand, it was not a ban, or anything of the sort. It was a 90 day pause for most of the in scope nations to allow our people to look into their procedures and processes and make sure everything is set up correctly to make sure no bad apples get in.

A 90 day pause isn't a ban, for someone truly wishing to become an American, it's an inconvenience.

Agreed, hopefully they can do better in round 2.

I interpret this response as you are not in agreement with the current EO.

I guess it could also mean that you agree with the intent but you don't agree with how it was written.

[sutterhome]

 must read and write the Portuguese language, evaluated on the basis of the social and intellectual situation of the applicant;






V. must practice a profession or have enough possessions to guarantee his and his family’s maintenance;

VI. must have good behavior;

VII. cannot have been indicted or convicted in Brazil or abroad for a felony; [and]

VIII. must be in good health[.][39]

If we just inforced these as if we were Brazil that would be good enough for me

[JimC]

I agree with many of the others, welcome to the USA, it seem that you are filling a void that is needed. 

HOWEVER:

My brother has a greencard and I should be applying for one pretty soon

You have been living and working here for 27 years without a green card?

I for one feel that it makes you one that wants all the privileges of the US economy without having to abide by our laws. Do you really want to fit into our society? If you did  then I would be 100% behind your stance. Had you gotten a green card and were then denied something I would be willing to help you out if I could. 
 
Your position is nothing but a political statement and makes no sense to me.
Jim

[The emperor has no clothes]

Well you just haven't been paying attention. Or maybe you are selective in what you want to believe. I will try to clear it up for you. This thread was about said subject. Read my opinions and then tell me what you think.
http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,92074.40.html

I haven't forgotten.

And I am in full agreement with your statements here:

One thing is for sure,, what we have now is NOT working.
Almost all countries in the world do not treat illegal border crossings as we do.
It's a drain on society and an insult to those who did it legally.

What we have now does work to a certain extent. Just not well enough. It is an insult to those who immigrated legally .
 My take on fixing illegal immigration is multi fold .
1) We must crack down on employers and people who hire them. Many people enjoy having cheap maids, cheap landscapers, cheap construction workers. Make it hurt to the people who use them. Heavy fines and even jail time would deter much of it. Contrary to what some think, most of the illegal immigrants come here for the work. Not to suck up welfare.
2) Do away with sanctuary cities. If a city decides to go that route, then cut off ALL federal funding of any sort.
3) Track people more thoroughly here on visas. If they overstay, lock them up for a determined amount of time and deport them.
4) When an illegal immigrant is detained or found out, lock them up for a determined amount of time and deport them. If they come back and are caught again the punishment gets progressively more intense.
5) Punish coyotes who bring them across to the max.

My point is that it seems to me that you are waffling a little bit.

I'm thinking that either you enjoy arguing or you just enjoy disagreeing with President Trump.

Otherwise, I'm at a loss to undestand how you agree that we need to control immigration but aren't in favor of his attempt to do so.

And no I haven't forgotten that you said this:

Anyone that wishes to go through the loopholes and come here legally, and become an American (Not a Something-American, but just an American) I welcome as a friend and brother.

One thing to keep in mind on the recent order is that, even if it were allowed to stand, it was not a ban, or anything of the sort. It was a 90 day pause for most of the in scope nations to allow our people to look into their procedures and processes and make sure everything is set up correctly to make sure no bad apples get in.

A 90 day pause isn't a ban, for someone truly wishing to become an American, it's an inconvenience.

Agreed, hopefully they can do better in round 2.

I interpret this response as you are not in agreement with the current EO.

I guess it could also mean that you agree with the intent but you don't agree with how it was written.

In the opinion of many from all different political stripes, it was written poorly and hastily. It was implemented even worse. It seems it would be easy to fix it and roll it out well. Whether he will do that , I don't know.

[hubcapsc]

In the opinion of many from all different political stripes

Yeah, but they're the same people who thought Trump was just
a blowhard who had no chance of becoming President.

-Mike "and they were only half right..."

[Savago]

> You have been living and working here for 27 years without a green card?

From the original text: "About 4 years ago I had the opportunity to choose which country I would live and opted for USA."

Not living here for 27 years, my friend (more like 3 years and something).


>I for one feel that it makes you one that wants all the privileges of the US economy without having to abide by our >laws. Do you really want to fit into our society? If you did  then I would be 100% behind your stance. Had you gotten a >green >card and were then denied something I would be willing to help you out if I could. 
>

Easy there, cowboy.
;-)

[Serk]

Just being nosy - H-1B?

[Jack]

Even heaven prevents some from entering and not all are "Bad dudes".

[The emperor has no clothes]

In the opinion of many from all different political stripes

Yeah, but they're the same people who thought Trump was just
a blowhard who had no chance of becoming President.

-Mike "and they were only half right..."

point taken 

[Ramie]

Nice story but we need to understand there is a difference between and Immigrant and a Refugee.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/02/13/dsouza-america-is-a-nation-of-immigrants-but-not-a-nation-of-refugees-video/

[G-Man]

The only difference between THEN and NOW on so many issues of late is the Left's outrage.