This cannot possibly be explained.

[Moonshot_1]

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/02/11/canadian-man-who-beheaded-bus-passenger-granted-total-freedom.html

[DirtyDan]

I could "explain" it but it wouldn't be "nice"

Dan

[The emperor has no clothes]

The saddest part of that story was that all the passengers fled the bus and didn't help the young man.

[Jess from VA]

He should be provided housing next door to the official who granted him his freedom.

Or maybe the official has a mother-in-law suite available.

[Moonshot_1]

Been rolling this over in my mind most of the day.

Have a new found respect for the 9th circuit. I don't think they could have screwed this one up.

I just can't imagine how the conversation of the review board went.

"so he stabs the guy, beheads him, munches on him, BUT as long as he takes his meds he's A-OK"
"No evidence of a future threat here." "Sir you are free to go and sorry for the inconvenience" "Please don't hurt us"

[Jess from VA]

Do a little research on how often schizophrenics stop taking their meds.

Couple this with the fact that they need to never stop taking their meds.


The day after my hernia repair at age 4, the nurse asked why I was ripping the bandage off.

Because I am hurting down there, and I am sure I'll feel better after I get this tight bandage off.  

[BF]

Let him get anywhere near me and watch what happens.

[Pappy!]

Let him get anywhere near me and watch what happens.

I'd pay good money to watch that!

[Jess from VA]

Really, truly seriously mentally ill people should be pitied.

And, if they have a history of violence, watched.

[Willow]

Seriously mentally ill people who have taken a life need not only to be watched but need also to be contained.

The whole concept that has resulted in this is the idea of innocence by reason of insanity.  A person who has done damage is not innocent simply because he doesn't understand that it was wrong.  I can understand it being a mitigating factor in selection of sentence but for the safety of the public such a person needs to be removed.   

[The emperor has no clothes]

Seriously mentally ill people who have taken a life need not only to be watched but need also to be contained.

The whole concept that has resulted in this is the idea of innocence by reason of insanity.  A person who has done damage is not innocent simply because he doesn't understand that it was wrong.  I can understand it being a mitigating factor in selection of sentence but for the safety of the public such a person needs to be removed.   

Agreed. There is nothing cruel or inhumane in that.

[Jess from VA]

Seriously mentally ill people who have taken a life need not only to be watched but need also to be contained.

The whole concept that has resulted in this is the idea of innocence by reason of insanity.  A person who has done damage is not innocent simply because he doesn't understand that it was wrong.  I can understand it being a mitigating factor in selection of sentence but for the safety of the public such a person needs to be removed.  

I also agree.  And I also support a death penalty for insane or sane alike, as long as all the necessary factors in aggravation are found to exist.  And the insanity defense, rarely brought, and less rarely won, is not the same test everywhere.  It is much easier to be insane in some states than others.

The history of this goes right back to the courts who found that all the mentally ill who were being contained in institutions (not prisons) were not receiving treatment (either any, or adequate), and that the constitution required they either be adequately treated or released.  Of course, you or I could not find this in the constitution, so judges made it up (again).  So tens of thousands of seriously mentally ill were (and are) released all over the country, and it became much harder to get anyone institutionalized than it ought to be (see Sandy Hook).

And it is an epidemic problem, including a high percentage of homeless.  

So it's more humane to let them roam free and crazy and starving and filthy and sick, and dangerous with victims in their wake, than to contain them, and feed them three times daily, and keep them on their meds.  Humane for who?

Of course, there were many documented instances of serious abuse and neglect by the handlers at these institutions..... just like at lots of old folks homes.  That was not good, but no reason to let them all loose.

[MarkT]

All I can think at this moment, is that if it was my son he had murdered, I would not rest until I had executed him myself.  But first make sure he understood why he was being killed, and beg for his life, and KNOW he is about to go to hell. Then remove his brains.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Seriously mentally ill people who have taken a life need not only to be watched but need also to be contained.

The whole concept that has resulted in this is the idea of innocence by reason of insanity.  A person who has done damage is not innocent simply because he doesn't understand that it was wrong.  I can understand it being a mitigating factor in selection of sentence but for the safety of the public such a person needs to be removed.  

I also agree.  And I also support a death penalty for insane or sane alike, as long as all the necessary factors in aggravation are found to exist.  And the insanity defense, rarely brought, and less rarely won, is not the same test everywhere.  It is much easier to be insane in some states than others.

The history of this goes right back to the courts who found that all the mentally ill who were being contained in institutions (not prisons) were not receiving treatment (either any, or adequate), and that the constitution required they either be adequately treated or released.  Of course, you or I could not find this in the constitution, so judges made it up (again).  So tens of thousands of seriously mentally ill were (and are) released all over the country, and it became much harder to get anyone institutionalized than it ought to be (see Sandy Hook).

And it is an epidemic problem, including a high percentage of homeless.  

So it's more humane to let them roam free and crazy and starving and filthy and sick, and dangerous with victims in their wake, than to contain them, and feed them three times daily, and keep them on their meds.  Humane for who?

Of course, there were many documented instances of serious abuse and neglect by the handlers at these institutions..... just like at lots of old folks homes.  That was not good, but no reason to let them all loose.

I think it comes down to money. We as a society don't seem to see the value in paying for it.

[bulldog620]

And that my friends is the reason I legally carry, 24/7....

[gordonv]

What can I say, it's in my home country.

OK, so he needs medical help. Once he is "cured"/stabile, then he should be tried. Sentencing should take into fact this "first time" was because of an unknown condition (if it was the 1st time).

It should then be considered like drunk driving. If this guy doesn't take his meds, then he is held FULLY responsible for anything he does, as if it was premeditated.

I didn't read the story, heard it enough on the news, but he also changed his name (which wasn't kept private). I also thought you couldn't do that to try to hide.

[Pete]

No it cannot be explained or excused.

Is wrong on so many levels as to be criminally stupid.

No one who truly murders another should ever see the light of day.

Sane or insane should not matter other than perhaps symptom treatment during confinement.

[Roadog]

   I believe there are just some evil people out there and this is one of them .     No he should NEVER be released  to prey on the public again, and yes, he will do it again !  If this judge thinks he is so safe, he should move him into his spare bedroom next to HIS kids !  This judge sounds like he is a member of the anti-punishment crowd . If  judges were held accountable for the crimes these repeat criminals commit they would think it over very strongly .  Yes when seconds count, the police are only minutes away. I had one of our finest tell me "our job is to just clean up the mess when we get there" .  We as citizens  have to be able to defend ourselves and the lives of our family's  at all times. 

Roadog

[MarkT]

This just happened a couple days ago.  Report from http://denver.cbslocal.com/2017/02/10/good-samaritan-tased-injured-in-roadside-robbery/

Gotta say, WTF were these 20-something idiots thinkin?  This is a rural area, about 7 miles from the Ranch.  No crime happens near here partly because most everybody's armed since CCW was passed in 2003.  Except the Californicators who immigrated here and have ruined the political demographics. This state highway it happened on, has plenty of traffic. What made them think they would be unwitnessed; no one would come to the victim's aid, at 10 AM? I can't imagine if I had been the victim, the perps would still be breathing.  They STABBED him after the taser.  I gotta think, they brought a knife to a gun fight. In most cases.  And they had CO plates. Shoulda known better.  But then they were 20-something dumasses.  And got away with it. Woulda been dead had it been me.


FRANKTOWN, Colo. (CBS4) – A Good Samaritan was tased and injured in a robbery on the side of a road Friday morning just west of the intersection of highways 83 and 86.

The Douglas County Sheriff’s Office confirms to CBS4 News that a woman flagged down a man in a white truck near Franktown. This driver stopped to offer assistance. The female tased the male driver. Two other males then joined the female in assaulting and robbing the male driver.

“They ambushed him,” sheriff’s spokeswoman Lauren Lekander said.

The Good Samaritan, whose identity hasn’t been released, suffered a stab wound to the shoulder. He drove himself to a medical facility in Parker after the incident. Investigators were interviewing him there afterwards.

The three suspects left the scene in a newer two-door metallic green Cadillac.

One male was described as being white and wearing a blue shirt with a cartoon-like drawing on it. The other man was black or Hispanic with a tattoo on the side of his head and black hair. The white female was believed to be wearing a light shirt and blue jeans and had curly brown hair.

Civilians were asked to report the suspects’ location to authorities and to not approach them.

[Jess from VA]

And people wonder why people are reluctant to stop and help.

Sometimes I have stopped, and sometimes I haven't..... depending.

[The emperor has no clothes]

   I believe there are just some evil people out there and this is one of them .     No he should NEVER be released  to prey on the public again, and yes, he will do it again !  If this judge thinks he is so safe, he should move him into his spare bedroom next to HIS kids !  This judge sounds like he is a member of the anti-punishment crowd . If  judges were held accountable for the crimes these repeat criminals commit they would think it over very strongly .  Yes when seconds count, the police are only minutes away. I had one of our finest tell me "our job is to just clean up the mess when we get there" .  We as citizens  have to be able to defend ourselves and the lives of our family's  at all times. 

Roadog

I don't think it was a judge but a review board that did this. Which kind of makes it worse. You would think out of a group one of them would have been sensible.

[gordonv]

What do you expect from a country of people who don't believe in the punishment fitting the crime?
 No death penalty.


Wait until this one comes around!!
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/douglas-garland-nathan-obrien-alvin-kathy-liknes-murder-trial-begins-1.3936820

I had originally never heard court details about the case. Then after he was found guilty, the news mentioned details. This is one crazy story!