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I just saw this morning on "CBS This morning" that the House and Senate are working to revoke the rule that puts certain people onto the "blacklist" for gun ownership. I know some of you were upset that this rule was put into place (rightfully so, in my opinion), so I hope this works out as good news.
Have a good day.
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« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2017, 06:40:33 AM » |
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I just saw this morning on "CBS This morning" that the House and Senate are working to revoke the rule that puts certain people onto the "blacklist" for gun ownership. I know some of you were upset that this rule was put into place (rightfully so, in my opinion), so I hope this works out as good news.
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« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2017, 06:49:11 AM » |
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Those "certain people" were those that a court and psychiatrist had deemed so mentally ill
that they could no longer take care of their own finances and every day needs. I worked in
a hospital psych unit and attended some of these hearings. These poor people were in no condition
to be responsible for a firearm. This is a stupid move, in my opinion. The same NRA that blames
mental illness on most domestic terror events is being hypocritical in supporting this.
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« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2017, 06:58:12 AM » |
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Those "certain people" were those that a court and psychiatrist had deemed so mentally ill
that they could no longer take care of their own finances and every day needs. I worked in
a hospital psych unit and attended some of these hearings. These poor people were in no condition
to be responsible for a firearm. This is a stupid move, in my opinion. The same NRA that blames
mental illness on most domestic terror events is being hypocritical in supporting this.
NOT the purpose of the SSA. This is clearly political abuse from the anti-gun Obama administration. You know cursed well that Obama would and did take every step he could get away with legally and illegally to reduce the gun count in the hands of patriots to reduce the muders in his home town when the real problem is not the guns, it's social responsibility and fatherless thugs. With this paintbrush they can radically reduce the freedoms of folks who should not be so reviled and need to protect themselves from those same armed criminals and thugs. I could lose my gun rights as a Vietnam veteran and SS recipient, if I ask my accountant for advice on SS matters. I have carried legally, concealed for 13 years and somehow my guns have not attacked anybody. Good news. Can't happen soon enough. |
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« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2017, 07:06:30 AM » |
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That cursed Obama......it's a miracle we all survived.
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« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2017, 07:08:02 AM » |
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When my father in law's wife died he had all his SSA and VA benefits set up so my wife could administer them, since he wasn't in an emotional state to deal with them.
Under Obama's rules that would bar him from his basic civil rights.
So yeah, time for this rule to be reversed.
Anyone adjudicated as a mental defective will have their civil rights in regards to the 2nd Amendment revoked without due process to reverse it, that is the right way to address this, not a blanket automatic ruling from the SSA.
...it should tell you something that even the left wing generally anti-gun folks at the ACLU are in favor of revoking this Obama rule.
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« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2017, 07:19:03 AM » |
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Looks like the good guys win, 4 to 2....
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« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2017, 07:40:18 AM » |
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I agree the law was not specific enough. But, it's intent was to bar those with severe mental illnesses....not emotional issues. Plus, a person could appeal the decision.
• The policy would not take away guns from people who already own them. There is no indication that this policy would take guns away from people who already own guns. Rather, the policy would affect the ability of some mentally incompetent people from buying new guns.
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« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2017, 07:57:15 AM » |
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That cursed Obama......it's a miracle we all survived.
WELL BALDO FINLEY SAID SOME TRUTH |
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« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2017, 08:00:02 AM » |
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What some don't know is that, according to the American Legion, the Veterans Administration bureaucrats as of now, can arbitrarily turn a veteran's name in to the FBI list, if he has anyone else manage his finances. No professional evaluation needed.
This was in effect before the SS provision, as far as I can tell.
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« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2017, 08:00:37 AM » |
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the SSA [Social Security Administration] promulgated a final rule that would require the names of all Social Security Disability Insurance (SSDI) and Supplemental Security Income (SSI) benefit recipients – who, because of a mental impairment, use a representative payee to help manage their benefits – be submitted to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS), which is used during gun purchases.
We oppose this rule because it advances and reinforces the harmful stereotype that people with mental disabilities, a vast and diverse group of citizens, are violent. There is no data to support a connection between the need for a representative payee to manage one's Social Security disability benefits and a propensity toward gun violence... the rule automatically conflates one disability-related characteristic, that is, difficulty managing money, with the inability to safely possess a firearm.
The rule includes no meaningful due process protections prior to the SSA's transmittal of names to the NICS database. The determination by SSA line staff that a beneficiary needs a representative payee to manage their money benefit is simply not an "adjudication" in any ordinary meaning of the word. Nor is it a determination that the person "[l]acks the mental capacity to contract or manage his own affairs" as required by the NICS. Indeed, the law and the SSA clearly state that representative payees are appointed for many individuals who are legally competent.
Source - https://waysandmeans.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/ACLU.pdf |
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« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2017, 08:03:04 AM » |
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That cursed Obama......it's a miracle we all survived.
WELL BALDO FINLEY SAID SOME TRUTH Finally Stopped clock ?  Dan |
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« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2017, 08:04:27 AM » |
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That cursed Obama......it's a miracle we all survived.
WELL BALDO FINLEY SAID SOME TRUTH Who is Baldo Finley?  |
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« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2017, 09:30:30 AM » |
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That cursed Obama......it's a miracle we all survived.
WELL BALDO FINLEY SAID SOME TRUTH Gary, I don't believe we've met before.....and who in the hell is Finley? |
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« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2017, 09:31:03 AM » |
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That cursed Obama......it's a miracle we all survived.
WELL BALDO FINLEY SAID SOME TRUTH Who is Baldo Finley? lol.... |
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« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2017, 09:32:46 AM » |
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That cursed Obama......it's a miracle we all survived.
WELL BALDO FINLEY SAID SOME TRUTH Finally Stopped clock ? Dan ....is right (correct) twice a day....EVERY DAY..... |
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« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2017, 11:26:20 AM » |
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That cursed Obama......it's a miracle we all survived.
WELL BALDO FINLEY SAID SOME TRUTH Who is Baldo Finley? lol.... Why everyone knows its Waldo Henley's brother  |
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« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2017, 12:03:40 PM » |
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That cursed Obama......it's a miracle we all survived.
WELL BALDO FINLEY SAID SOME TRUTH Stopped clock ? Dan ....is right (correct) twice a day....EVERY DAY..... Loosing sure does hurt, don't it .  |
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« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2017, 12:14:49 PM » |
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That cursed Obama......it's a miracle we all survived.
WELL BALDO FINLEY SAID SOME TRUTH Stopped clock ? Dan ....is right (correct) twice a day....EVERY DAY..... Loosing sure does hurt, don't it . Loosing vs. tightening ? |
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« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2017, 12:31:22 PM » |
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That cursed Obama......it's a miracle we all survived.
WELL BALDO FINLEY SAID SOME TRUTH Stopped clock ? Dan ....is right (correct) twice a day....EVERY DAY..... Loosing sure does hurt, don't it . Slamming someone usually gets a better result when it's spelled properly......just sayin'..... |
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« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2017, 01:46:21 PM » |
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(As I explained before, in some detail) whether VA or SS, these lists were of those who had a fiduciary appointed to handle their finances (govt disability money)..... for any reason at all.
While some may have actually been psychiatrically evaluated and had a competency hearing with a judge, many had nothing of the sort. They just had family complaining they wasted their money. Having a financial rep appointed for you by VA or SS is not the same thing as being found incompetent by medical professionals and a judge. I have no problem restricting firearms from adjudicated incompetents (indeed I support it). I have a big problem restricting everybody on the list, just because they are on the list. Especially because firearm ownership is one of the specifically enumerated fundamental liberties secured to all citizens in the constitution. It ought to take more than being put on a list to lose that right (unless you also have been adjudicated incompetent) .
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« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2017, 03:08:41 PM » |
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The road to hell is paved with good intentions
I think this one is a win for the constitution and the american people
Unfortunately or fortunately, there does need to be a mechanism for helping to ensure those with mental illness do not become the vehicle that kills innocent people
Therapist, lets hope that the new administration addresses those issues But we have to get the cabinet installed, the wall going and the process of vetting immigrants past those knuckleheads in the 9th circuit. If it were me I would disband the circuit and start over but I am a bit impulsive sometimes.
I cant wait to hear how vets will be able to go to any hospital for tests and treatment once the dust settles.
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« Reply #22 on: February 19, 2017, 05:04:49 PM » |
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That cursed Obama......it's a miracle we all survived.
WELL BALDO FINLEY SAID SOME TRUTH Stopped clock ? Dan ....is right (correct) twice a day....EVERY DAY..... Loosing sure does hurt, don't it . Slamming someone usually gets a better result when it's spelled properly......just sayin'..... Typical make fun of a misspelled word  guess you never have Huh? Deflect and distract at its finest. |
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« Reply #23 on: February 19, 2017, 10:50:16 PM » |
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Loosing sure does hurt, don't it . Slamming someone usually gets a better result when it's spelled properly......just sayin'..... Typical make fun of a misspelled word guess you never have Huh? Deflect and distract at its finest. I guess you missed the point. It's OK, I understand... |
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« Reply #24 on: February 20, 2017, 12:04:50 PM » |
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That cursed Obama......it's a miracle we all survived.
WELL BALDO FINLEY SAID SOME TRUTH Stopped clock ? Dan ....is right (correct) twice a day....EVERY DAY..... Loosing sure does hurt, don't it . Slamming someone usually gets a better result when it's spelled properly......just sayin'..... I am an engineer baldo not an english major that is my wife's dept. Seems like I remember you saying something about even a stopped clock being right twice a day. You will just have to overlook my spelling I do have a tendency to type too fast . Actually they call me FF (Phat Fingered) I have big hands . As usual you side step the point. How about this, losing sure does suck for the losing side,...don't it . 2008 and 2012 sure was no fun for us deplorable's So suck it up princess .  Roadog |
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« Reply #25 on: February 20, 2017, 01:29:12 PM » |
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Well that didn't take long for mods to delete. It's apparent that no differing comments are allowed.
I should have copied it.
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« Reply #26 on: February 20, 2017, 05:45:15 PM » |
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Loosing sure does hurt, don't it . Slamming someone usually gets a better result when it's spelled properly......just sayin'..... Typical make fun of a misspelled word guess you never have Huh? Deflect and distract at its finest. I guess you missed the point. It's OK, I understand... No I didn't miss the point this was a thread about one thing then you just took it upon yourself to make fun of a misspelled word and change ( hijack ) the topic at hand. |
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« Reply #27 on: February 20, 2017, 05:47:13 PM » |
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Loosing sure does hurt, don't it . Slamming someone usually gets a better result when it's spelled properly......just sayin'..... Typical make fun of a misspelled word guess you never have Huh? Deflect and distract at its finest. I guess you missed the point. It's OK, I understand... No I didn't miss the point this was a thread about one thing then you just took it upon yourself to make fun of a misspelled word and change ( hijack ) the topic at hand. Get over it. |
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